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IluvProton
post Apr 11 2014, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(yamahahai @ Apr 11 2014, 03:11 AM)
diew, if u earn millions u think BN won't tax the shit outta u ?
300k for a car is considered tax reduction to people who earned million per annum.
hence, they rather pay for a posh car.
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dun talk like this. ppl expert in investing 1. btw, he is bumi.

QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 03:11 AM)
actually, i spend more than 15 days a year enjoying mother nature, and 7 hours a day on weekdays relaxing (5.00pm to 2.00am is my hours).
Weekends i cross country cycling.

Spending and enjoyment has a middle parameter, which is the util efficiency. I maximise utility per unit dollar, thats why everyday is a holiday to me. I go to work, update some spreadsheets, socialise and go out to talk with clients, or go to investment talks and seminars. 5.00pm-2am is my private hours.


This is how i become happy despite my own spending patern. people think the only way to be happy, is to spend.

but they end up spending 300k on a car yet get stuck in a jam 3 hours a day, while i spend RM3 per month on my mode of transport, and spend 10 minutes traveling a day

they spend 20k-30k on a 1 week holiday packages to city centres like france, while i can spend 3k-5k and enjoy 3-4 weeks of mother nature.
Thats why, many people are trapped. without efficiency of spending money, without thinking on what they spend, they keep on buying expensive items which gives little to no happiness. And thats their own downfall.
And many different analyst and sector specialist and professionals say what im saying in a different way.
They say after the 4th house, you will just go for properties
They say once you achieve millionaire, you can be more relaxed
They say you need to achieve some kind of net worth.

But in reality, the threshold is not magnitude of wealth, it is the wealth relative to spending. IE: financial independence.
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kenot ~ waste of luxury time. u can use that time to invest fund.

if you earning 20mil monthly = 27.7k hourly.
if you take 7 x 27.7k = 193.9k daily can invest more money come liao
this is worst than buying a car


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post Apr 11 2014, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 03:33 AM)
in almost the past decade, i have only spent RM20.70 on eating out in restaurants/side stalls/etc. mostly for when i woke up late, and have to buy nasi lemak, which happens once every few years.99%+ of the time, i cook all my meals myself. and manage my own groceries.

I always cook myself. because the kind of food i cook, is hard to find at normal roadside stalls in Malaysia. Its also my hobby to cook, and innovate on food (not really innovate lol but yeah tweak tweak recipe).

Furthermore, i hate waiting for food at diners. lol.
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you should be glad liao. in-case you investment all gone also you no feel. just regular spending. laugh.gif
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post Apr 11 2014, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Apr 11 2014, 08:35 AM)
dun talk like this. ppl expert in investing 1. btw, he is bumi.
kenot ~ waste of luxury time. u can use that time to invest fund.

if you earning 20mil monthly = 27.7k hourly.
if you take 7 x 27.7k = 193.9k daily can invest more money come liao
this is worst than buying a car
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note how luxury time = I equate to money just now? (in the warren buffet example)

the main aim of life, is to maximise luxury time (or maximising utility). because by having lots of luxury time, you maximise your enjoyment in life. you want to have as much free time to enjoy life as possible, and do what you consider most fun, in the mean time still have enough money for financial independence.


In short, all the money in the world, or spending in the world, my main goal, is to free up more and more luxury time for myself. Luxury time translates into happiness, utility, and satisfaction in life.

Lots of people think that money is the most important resource in the world, and needs to be optimised. but in reality, money is the second derivative of time. Time is the most important resource in the world. And to have free time, is to understand the true meaning of why we work everyday, earn money and spend. To gain more time for ourselves.

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diew, if u earn millions u think BN won't tax the shit outta u ?
300k for a car is considered tax reduction to people who earned million per annum.
hence, they rather pay for a posh car.


capital gains has no tax, only 2-3% zakat.
property gains has no tax considering my holding period, only 2-3% zakat.
my dividends, i have always calculated it in an after-tax basis
ASB and AS1M has no tax, only 2-3% zakat.


Any FM worth salt, will always consider returns in an after tax basis. Saying you are financially independent, only for your client to be killed by tax, is the best way to blow your own credibility lulz.

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post Apr 11 2014, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Apr 11 2014, 08:42 AM)
you should be glad liao. in-case you investment all gone also you no feel. just regular spending.  laugh.gif
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actually. in the fm industry, losing millions = no feel. You only feel it if you lose your money because you made stupid decisions, like not being diversified enough, or acting on impulse. of which we keep on learning. if KLCI went to 0, and my fund went to 10, i still outperform KLCI.


My personal portfolio is relatively diversified, with some in fixed-priced funds like Tabung haji, ASB, KWSP, AS1M, i have malaysian equity, i have some in FD, i have some in gold and silver paper, i have quite a large chunk in my condo's and property across KL, i have some in mutual funds, and some in foreign equity.

It is normal for price to fall, and any of my asset class can underperform. But as long as im diversified, its difficult to lose all my money at the same time. Even if the world goes to war, or malaysia interest rates goes to 30%, or pakatan rakyat takes over, or US gets nuked to hell, ill be fine. I will lose some money. thats to be expected in life. but i will always be conforted by the fact that, i am much better to do than most people around me.
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post Apr 11 2014, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(Sammich! @ Apr 10 2014, 07:49 PM)
I want make my goal to earn enough to afford 300k car
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most people who ask this can't afford it
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post Apr 11 2014, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 03:43 AM)
note how luxury time = I equate to money just now? (in the warren buffet example)

the main aim of life, is to maximise luxury time (or maximising utility). because by having lots of luxury time, you maximise your enjoyment in life. you want to have as much free time to enjoy life as possible, and do what you consider most fun, in the mean time still have enough money for financial independence.
In short, all the money in the world, or spending in the world, my main goal, is to free up more and more luxury time for myself. Luxury time translates into happiness, utility, and satisfaction in life.

Lots of people think that money is the most important resource in the world, and needs to be optimised. but in reality, money is the second derivative of time. Time is the most important resource in the world. And to have free time, is to understand the true meaning of why we work everyday, earn money and spend. To gain more time for ourselves.
capital gains has no tax, only 2-3% zakat.
property gains has no tax considering my holding period, only 2-3% zakat.
my dividends, i have always calculated it in an after-tax basis
ASB and AS1M has no tax, only 2-3% zakat.
Any FM worth salt, will always consider returns in an after tax basis. Saying you are financially independent, only for your client to be killed by tax, is the best way to blow your own credibility lulz.
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lel
then how u know ppl spend 300k on the car themselve not hapi

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meleis investor laugh.gif no wonder
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post Apr 11 2014, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Apr 11 2014, 08:52 AM)
lel
then how u know ppl spend 300k on the car themselve not hapi

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meleis investor  laugh.gif  no wonder
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can explain wat u mean by meleis investor no wonder?
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post Apr 11 2014, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 03:50 AM)
actually. in the fm industry, losing millions = no feel. You only feel it if you lose your money because you made stupid decisions, like not being diversified enough, or acting on impulse. of which we keep on learning. if KLCI went to 0, and my fund went to 10, i still outperform KLCI.
My personal portfolio is relatively diversified, with some in fixed-priced funds like Tabung haji, ASB, KWSP, AS1M, i have malaysian equity, i have some in FD, i have some in gold and silver paper, i have quite a large chunk in my condo's and property across KL, i have some in mutual funds, and some in foreign equity.

It is normal for price to fall, and any of my asset class can underperform. But as long as im diversified, its difficult to lose all my money at the same time. Even if the world goes to war, or malaysia interest rates goes to 30%, or pakatan rakyat takes over, or US gets nuked to hell, ill be fine. I will lose some money. thats to be expected in life. but i will always be conforted by the fact that, i am much better to do than most people around me.
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hmm.gif
why put in ur condo? bank safe no use meh?

bn macai? hmm.gif

tabung haji and kwsp can put in fund 1? drool.gif pls pass some infor i wan i wan

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post Apr 11 2014, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(crash123 @ Apr 10 2014, 08:28 PM)
LOL..joke of the year..say the people that never be rich..why people want to be rich??
for fame
for attract women
for buy big house
for buy expensive car
for ego booster
for unlimited spending
and the list go on

i rarely hear billionaire that only have below 100k$ car..give me list of 3 people and i will believe ur statement
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Facebook ceo he just get a golf gti even if he can buy 10 ferarri

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post Apr 11 2014, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(Sammich! @ Apr 11 2014, 03:54 AM)
can explain wat u mean by meleis investor no wonder?
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coz he got high chance of good yield interest at ASB liao. where else which in market can promise 6%+ in fund investment without lock in more than 3-5years period.

get what i mean?
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post Apr 11 2014, 08:59 AM

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Drive expensive car n dine in mamak, ideal Gen-y lifestyle
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post Apr 11 2014, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Apr 11 2014, 08:55 AM)
hmm.gif 
why put in ur condo? bank safe no use meh?

bn macai?  hmm.gif

tabung haji and kwsp can put in fund 1?  drool.gif  pls pass some infor i wan i wan
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depends. i put money in FD based on my current income requirement.
For example, since next year im aiming to buy 1 or two more properties, and i need 30% down, so i will have some 200k-300k cash in FD.

Property is a good hedge of inflation. A good hedge of inflation has a characteristic that its nominal value increase through time. And hence, i do put a large chunk of my investment in property. The net rental income is enough to cover my historical loan payment by almost 1.5x, so it also is a cash generating asset. Furthermore, the rental of condo, also increases through time. and hence, it is quite a good asset class to be in, as long as there is law and order in land ownership. Property makes up >45% of my portfolio.

ASB/AS1m/Tabung haji are decent investments, but they only make up less than 7% of my portfolio because they are not inflation hedges. Investments in non-inflation hedges like fixed price fund will expose you to inflation risk, and too much weighting will result in you underperforming during periods of high inflation.

That means, during periods of high inflation, ASB will give 7%-8%. but money will deteoriate at a rate faster than 7%-8%. Moreover, property prices and equity and commodities, which are better hedges in inflation, will increase faster than the inflation rate. Hence, it as i said, its not good to be too focused in ASB/AS1m/Tabung haji.


However, Bank FD has a lower return.
According to my own investment policy statement, my risk profile is above average risk tolerance, and to maximise return given risk tolerance. Having too much money in bank safe, altho is "safe" (not really, the quality of your bank savings is only as good as the quality of the bank). will jeapordise total returns, hence, bank FD should be only used for immediate liquidity requirements. Especially given my long time horizon of 50-60 years to my own death.

This post has been edited by FindingGamerWife: Apr 11 2014, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Apr 11 2014, 08:57 AM)
coz he got high chance of good yield interest at ASB liao. where else which in market can promise 6%+ in fund investment without lock in more than 3-5years period.

get what i mean?
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I c.. so sux I am not bumi sad.gif FML
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post Apr 11 2014, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(TheEvilMan @ Apr 11 2014, 03:59 AM)
Drive expensive car n dine in mamak, ideal Gen-y lifestyle
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few days liao. i go those gooding restaurant with selipar tesco + cargo pants. ppl no hiew me sad.gif cry.gif
diau lip amoi also no hiew me

QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 04:00 AM)
depends. i put money in FD based on my current income requirement.
For example, since next year im aiming to buy 1 or two more properties, and i need 30% down, so i will have some 200k-300k cash in FD.

Property is a good hedge of inflation. A good hedge of inflation has a characteristic that its nominal value increase through time. And hence, i do put a large chunk of my investment in property. The net rental income is enough to cover my historical loan payment by almost 1.5x, so it also is a cash generating asset. Furthermore, the rental of condo, also increases through time. and hence, it is quite a good asset class to be in, as long as there is law and order in land ownership. Property makes up >45% of my portfolio.

ASB/AS1m/Tabung haji are decent investments, but they only make up less than 7% of my portfolio because they are not inflation hedges. Investments in non-inflation hedges like fixed price fund will expose you to inflation risk, and too much weighting will result in you underperforming during periods of high inflation.
However, Bank FD has a lower return.
According to my own investment policy statement, my risk profile is above average risk tolerance, and to maximise return given risk tolerance. Having too much money in bank safe, altho is "safe" (not really, the quality of your bank savings is only as good as the quality of the bank). will jeapordise total returns, hence, bank FD should be only used for immediate liquidity requirements. Especially given my long time horizon of 50-60 years to my own death.
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how to invest into KWSP / tabung haji jek brows.gif i wan in

QUOTE(Sammich! @ Apr 11 2014, 04:01 AM)
I c.. so sux I am not bumi sad.gif FML
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sad.gif me too but I know got way to invest brows.gif
ask luci brows.gif

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post Apr 11 2014, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Apr 11 2014, 09:05 AM)
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few days liao. i go those gooding restaurant with selipar tesco + cargo pants. ppl no hiew me  sad.gif  cry.gif
diau lip amoi also no hiew me
how to invest into KWSP / tabung haji jek  brows.gif i wan in
sad.gif  me too but I know got way to invest  brows.gif
ask luci  brows.gif
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just leave ur money in account1/2 la zzzzzz.

if u wan in tabung haji, you need potong ur kewkew
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post Apr 11 2014, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 04:06 AM)
just leave ur money in account1/2 la zzzzzz.

if u wan in tabung haji, you need potong ur kewkew
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forget what i ask earlier
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post Apr 11 2014, 09:17 AM

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aiya from his reply he really is not rich la thats why he is saying all these stuff to justify that we all spend money on cars are stupid. people will be like this when they are super jealous that he has not enough money. tongue.gif


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post Apr 11 2014, 09:21 AM

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The high position ppl got compnay cars, replace every 5 years after fully depreciated.

cheh only poorfag, car also need to use own money to buy
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QUOTE(sgt goebellx @ Apr 10 2014, 08:13 PM)
Dont be so sure , its subjective actually everyone has different priorities,mindset and interest , and not all pilots,ceo and businessman earning more than 10k
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yes, those more than 1m car like Bentley usually the gelaran is Tan Sri already
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post Apr 11 2014, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(Sammich! @ Apr 10 2014, 08:00 PM)
So basically earn 10 k can afford liao right cos dun need so much for living cost
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Just sleep in car, eat ppl belanja, shower in office... no need to earn 10k

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