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IluvProton
post Apr 10 2014, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 10 2014, 03:03 PM)
if i earn 20 million a month also i wont buy a 300k car.

my brains will immediately go ka ching, forcing me to sell said car immediately (maybe get RM260K back),invest in a trust fund, generating returns of RM30K per year, and buy a Myvi by taking the longest bank loan (hopefully my car cost is RM600 per month)

so the RM30K returns per year, i invest it in another trust fund, netting me RM6K per year, enough to cover my car cost

Hence, instead of losing 300k on a car, i use the RETURNS OF THE RETURNS of the price, to buy a myvi.
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pls dun make jokes la.
20mil month = 240mil yearly. solely i take 100mil as saving. 100 million put in FD @ 3% also u having 3mil p.a / 250k monthly.
why do you want to earn so much while you don't spend ? doh.gif
hell. i can retired after 1st year working @ 20mil salary


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post Apr 10 2014, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Apr 10 2014, 03:53 PM)
These people make good ancestors.
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i bet is 1 and only ancestors only left millions of dollars + investment fund
but no biz assets laugh.gif
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post Apr 10 2014, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 10 2014, 04:02 PM)
you dont understand simply because you are not in my position

Why do you think warren buffet still want to earn money despite being a billionaire?
Why do you think taib want to have power on sarawak despite being a billionaire?

every billionaire in top 20, continue to strive to become a billionaire

Once you reach my position, you will understand the real meaning of money. Money is not about spending on this that, showing off in a car, whatever

money is a game of life. it doesnt matter if i spend or do not spend on myself, but money is a game. all spending is meaningless in the spirit of the game of making more money. how much money can i ever accumulate? how big can my power and empire grow? how much money can i make in my lifetime? these are the questions once you reach financial independence. its no longer about how big car i can drive etc etc. those are just side dishes to the main game of money.
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oh, you are absolutely correct. please write a book of money is not about spending

oh forgive me. why warren buffet got private jet whistling.gif car is too cheap for them?
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post Apr 11 2014, 07:04 AM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 10 2014, 03:03 PM)
if i earn 20 million a month also i wont buy a 300k car.

my brains will immediately go ka ching, forcing me to sell said car immediately (maybe get RM260K back),invest in a trust fund, generating returns of RM30K per year, and buy a Myvi by taking the longest bank loan (hopefully my car cost is RM600 per month)

so the RM30K returns per year, i invest it in another trust fund, netting me RM6K per year, enough to cover my car cost

Hence, instead of losing 300k on a car, i use the RETURNS OF THE RETURNS of the price, to buy a myvi.
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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 01:11 AM)
When he bought the private jet, he bought it because it the incremental profit and the additional utility from time saved (versus commercial), is better than the opportunity cost of the maintainence/depreciation of the asset.

For example, even someone like me, i value my luxury time at RM90-140 per hour. Someone like warren buffet as a billionaire would probabily value his time at USD100,000-USD150,000 per hour. hence, as long as luxury time gained is more than opp cost of the plane, he will still profits.

moreover, weather you use a myvi or a ferarri to work, ur gonna get stuck in the same jam as everyone.
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korek. so why initial you said this? hmm.gif quite contradiction of quote you have there?

"money is a game of life. it doesnt matter if i spend or do not spend on myself, but money is a game. all spending is meaningless in the spirit of the game of making more money. how much money can i ever accumulate? how big can my power and empire grow? how much money can i make in my lifetime? these are the questions once you reach financial independence. its no longer about how big car i can drive etc etc. those are just side dishes to the main game of money."
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post Apr 11 2014, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 02:27 AM)
read properly

the first purchase consideration is a car. A car wont save you more time irregardless of what car you drive. (myvi or honda or toyota, you will still get stuck in the same jam) hence, since there is no time saving, there is no luxury time accumulated, and hence, in monetary terms, you have wasted money

warren buffet bought a plane. A plane can save a few hours of travel and queueing compared to its next best alternative (commercial aircraft). Furthermore, it allows flexibility for warren buffet to schedule his meetings. For someone who have a luxury time valued at USD 100,000-150,000 per hour like warren buffet, if he travels everyday, he can easily accumulate a few million USD worth of luxury time.

Luxury time, can easily be converted to money (by working, making an investment decision, etc), hence in monetary terms, is effective.

TLDR: Time is money
Expensive car saves you no time, hence you wasted $(price of car)
Private airplane saves time, hence, it is not a waste if opportunity cost is less than Value of time saved.
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korek korek.
just buy myvi enough, travel from kl to penang just nice.
i bet you will not go dinning at restaurant over RM 50 coz to luxury and wasting time. Economy Rice should be enough coz just eat only.


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post Apr 11 2014, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(yamahahai @ Apr 11 2014, 03:11 AM)
diew, if u earn millions u think BN won't tax the shit outta u ?
300k for a car is considered tax reduction to people who earned million per annum.
hence, they rather pay for a posh car.
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dun talk like this. ppl expert in investing 1. btw, he is bumi.

QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 03:11 AM)
actually, i spend more than 15 days a year enjoying mother nature, and 7 hours a day on weekdays relaxing (5.00pm to 2.00am is my hours).
Weekends i cross country cycling.

Spending and enjoyment has a middle parameter, which is the util efficiency. I maximise utility per unit dollar, thats why everyday is a holiday to me. I go to work, update some spreadsheets, socialise and go out to talk with clients, or go to investment talks and seminars. 5.00pm-2am is my private hours.


This is how i become happy despite my own spending patern. people think the only way to be happy, is to spend.

but they end up spending 300k on a car yet get stuck in a jam 3 hours a day, while i spend RM3 per month on my mode of transport, and spend 10 minutes traveling a day

they spend 20k-30k on a 1 week holiday packages to city centres like france, while i can spend 3k-5k and enjoy 3-4 weeks of mother nature.
Thats why, many people are trapped. without efficiency of spending money, without thinking on what they spend, they keep on buying expensive items which gives little to no happiness. And thats their own downfall.
And many different analyst and sector specialist and professionals say what im saying in a different way.
They say after the 4th house, you will just go for properties
They say once you achieve millionaire, you can be more relaxed
They say you need to achieve some kind of net worth.

But in reality, the threshold is not magnitude of wealth, it is the wealth relative to spending. IE: financial independence.
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kenot ~ waste of luxury time. u can use that time to invest fund.

if you earning 20mil monthly = 27.7k hourly.
if you take 7 x 27.7k = 193.9k daily can invest more money come liao
this is worst than buying a car


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post Apr 11 2014, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 03:33 AM)
in almost the past decade, i have only spent RM20.70 on eating out in restaurants/side stalls/etc. mostly for when i woke up late, and have to buy nasi lemak, which happens once every few years.99%+ of the time, i cook all my meals myself. and manage my own groceries.

I always cook myself. because the kind of food i cook, is hard to find at normal roadside stalls in Malaysia. Its also my hobby to cook, and innovate on food (not really innovate lol but yeah tweak tweak recipe).

Furthermore, i hate waiting for food at diners. lol.
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you should be glad liao. in-case you investment all gone also you no feel. just regular spending. laugh.gif
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post Apr 11 2014, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 03:43 AM)
note how luxury time = I equate to money just now? (in the warren buffet example)

the main aim of life, is to maximise luxury time (or maximising utility). because by having lots of luxury time, you maximise your enjoyment in life. you want to have as much free time to enjoy life as possible, and do what you consider most fun, in the mean time still have enough money for financial independence.
In short, all the money in the world, or spending in the world, my main goal, is to free up more and more luxury time for myself. Luxury time translates into happiness, utility, and satisfaction in life.

Lots of people think that money is the most important resource in the world, and needs to be optimised. but in reality, money is the second derivative of time. Time is the most important resource in the world. And to have free time, is to understand the true meaning of why we work everyday, earn money and spend. To gain more time for ourselves.
capital gains has no tax, only 2-3% zakat.
property gains has no tax considering my holding period, only 2-3% zakat.
my dividends, i have always calculated it in an after-tax basis
ASB and AS1M has no tax, only 2-3% zakat.
Any FM worth salt, will always consider returns in an after tax basis. Saying you are financially independent, only for your client to be killed by tax, is the best way to blow your own credibility lulz.
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then how u know ppl spend 300k on the car themselve not hapi

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meleis investor laugh.gif no wonder
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post Apr 11 2014, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 03:50 AM)
actually. in the fm industry, losing millions = no feel. You only feel it if you lose your money because you made stupid decisions, like not being diversified enough, or acting on impulse. of which we keep on learning. if KLCI went to 0, and my fund went to 10, i still outperform KLCI.
My personal portfolio is relatively diversified, with some in fixed-priced funds like Tabung haji, ASB, KWSP, AS1M, i have malaysian equity, i have some in FD, i have some in gold and silver paper, i have quite a large chunk in my condo's and property across KL, i have some in mutual funds, and some in foreign equity.

It is normal for price to fall, and any of my asset class can underperform. But as long as im diversified, its difficult to lose all my money at the same time. Even if the world goes to war, or malaysia interest rates goes to 30%, or pakatan rakyat takes over, or US gets nuked to hell, ill be fine. I will lose some money. thats to be expected in life. but i will always be conforted by the fact that, i am much better to do than most people around me.
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why put in ur condo? bank safe no use meh?

bn macai? hmm.gif

tabung haji and kwsp can put in fund 1? drool.gif pls pass some infor i wan i wan

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post Apr 11 2014, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(Sammich! @ Apr 11 2014, 03:54 AM)
can explain wat u mean by meleis investor no wonder?
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coz he got high chance of good yield interest at ASB liao. where else which in market can promise 6%+ in fund investment without lock in more than 3-5years period.

get what i mean?
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post Apr 11 2014, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(TheEvilMan @ Apr 11 2014, 03:59 AM)
Drive expensive car n dine in mamak, ideal Gen-y lifestyle
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few days liao. i go those gooding restaurant with selipar tesco + cargo pants. ppl no hiew me sad.gif cry.gif
diau lip amoi also no hiew me

QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 04:00 AM)
depends. i put money in FD based on my current income requirement.
For example, since next year im aiming to buy 1 or two more properties, and i need 30% down, so i will have some 200k-300k cash in FD.

Property is a good hedge of inflation. A good hedge of inflation has a characteristic that its nominal value increase through time. And hence, i do put a large chunk of my investment in property. The net rental income is enough to cover my historical loan payment by almost 1.5x, so it also is a cash generating asset. Furthermore, the rental of condo, also increases through time. and hence, it is quite a good asset class to be in, as long as there is law and order in land ownership. Property makes up >45% of my portfolio.

ASB/AS1m/Tabung haji are decent investments, but they only make up less than 7% of my portfolio because they are not inflation hedges. Investments in non-inflation hedges like fixed price fund will expose you to inflation risk, and too much weighting will result in you underperforming during periods of high inflation.
However, Bank FD has a lower return.
According to my own investment policy statement, my risk profile is above average risk tolerance, and to maximise return given risk tolerance. Having too much money in bank safe, altho is "safe" (not really, the quality of your bank savings is only as good as the quality of the bank). will jeapordise total returns, hence, bank FD should be only used for immediate liquidity requirements. Especially given my long time horizon of 50-60 years to my own death.
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how to invest into KWSP / tabung haji jek brows.gif i wan in

QUOTE(Sammich! @ Apr 11 2014, 04:01 AM)
I c.. so sux I am not bumi sad.gif FML
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sad.gif me too but I know got way to invest brows.gif
ask luci brows.gif

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post Apr 11 2014, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 04:06 AM)
just leave ur money in account1/2 la zzzzzz.

if u wan in tabung haji, you need potong ur kewkew
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forget what i ask earlier
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post Apr 11 2014, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(tctham @ Apr 11 2014, 04:26 AM)
from what ppl tell me, the value of your car should be no more than your annual salary.. calculating back.. you should be taking home 25k salary per month in order to own a car worth 300k. of course you could be buying that car with lesser than 25k/mth, but it's not financially wise..
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net or gross income jek laugh.gif
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post Apr 11 2014, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(PELAQ @ Apr 11 2014, 04:34 AM)
therefore get a z250 instead of a car brows.gif
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QUOTE(ravi6662 @ Apr 11 2014, 04:35 AM)
real cost is only 1/3 in malaysia..

so ur real cost of car is 100k

and 200k is on taxes..
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Apr 11 2014, 04:46 AM)
Yes.

So if you're a fresh grad, buy second hand Saga.
No need first month of work buy God car Vios.
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QUOTE(tctham @ Apr 11 2014, 04:48 AM)
gross le.. net income damn jialat lo.. i think i won't be able to afford a car till dunno when..
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wont be, net and gross only diff bit nia
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post Apr 11 2014, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(tctham @ Apr 11 2014, 05:03 AM)
makes quite a lot difference lo.. EPF alone will dock off 11%, that's not yet count other things like SOCSO, Income tax, phone bill, house rental (if you're not local), food and etc.. maybe my net calculation diff la..  but if calculate like this, my net and my gross quite big diff.. sad.gif
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post Apr 11 2014, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(tctham @ Apr 11 2014, 05:21 AM)
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hmm i also wanna give good life to my partner geh.. some things i can understand.. like sometimes 
of course not always, but sometimes need to pamper partner a bit also ma.. wedding need to do within budget lo.. takkan take PL for wedding ma.. macam syok sekarang, mati kemudian..

but for car, i feel my car is still functional.. and altho just local car and also low end, but it still moves and can do what is required, i don't feel there should be a need to change the car esp when i cannot really afford better cars comfortably.. (i can buy other cars, but i will be heavily in debts lo..)

sad.gif ok la.. lucky partner not materialistic... just need to meet expectations of other people.. in the meantime, need to work harder lo..

*ahem* kalau ada pun, must be off the records kan?
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post Apr 11 2014, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Apr 11 2014, 12:04 PM)
and yet some who has less money than he does have more cars

considering he is a billionare that is pretty modest

He got a private jet so he can get across the country fast at least its useful unlike Supercars  brows.gif
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