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post Apr 10 2014, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Apr 10 2014, 08:54 PM)
i bet is 1 and only ancestors only left millions of dollars + investment fund
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If my ancestor left me with 20 mil, I'd thank them. Then buy myself a 300k car. Haha
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post Apr 10 2014, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 10 2014, 08:13 PM)
The problem is, driving smart is a waaaaaay better method to reduce death chance, rather than buying an expensive car.

the chances of death in a car is already low
but chances of death in a car, given you are driving smart, is darn near 0.00%
To me, the only reason to buy a car so expensive, if im a CEO of a company i dont fully own, so i can use company funds to buy said car, and "expense" it and charge my shareholders
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0.00% is too bold.you are not the only driver on the road. u may be careful but others may not.
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post Apr 10 2014, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 10 2014, 04:02 PM)
you dont understand simply because you are not in my position

Why do you think warren buffet still want to earn money despite being a billionaire?
Why do you think taib want to have power on sarawak despite being a billionaire?

every billionaire in top 20, continue to strive to become a billionaire

Once you reach my position, you will understand the real meaning of money. Money is not about spending on this that, showing off in a car, whatever

money is a game of life. it doesnt matter if i spend or do not spend on myself, but money is a game. all spending is meaningless in the spirit of the game of making more money. how much money can i ever accumulate? how big can my power and empire grow? how much money can i make in my lifetime? these are the questions once you reach financial independence. its no longer about how big car i can drive etc etc. those are just side dishes to the main game of money.
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oh, you are absolutely correct. please write a book of money is not about spending

oh forgive me. why warren buffet got private jet whistling.gif car is too cheap for them?
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post Apr 10 2014, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(bayrock @ Apr 10 2014, 09:07 PM)
0.00% is too bold.you are not the only driver on the road. u may be careful but others may not.
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the chance of death on a car is only 3 to 9 deaths per billion km travelled (UK is at 3.1, we are at the upper end)

if you travel 30km back and forth to work everyday, thats only 250-300 per billion chance or 0.0000027% in any given day.

Furthermore, the probability of being in an accident given that you are smart is only 10% of the average accident rate. that makes it even thinner at 0.00000027%.

the cummulative probability of death in 40 years (which has 40x250 driving days = xsqrt(10000) which is 0.000027% probability of death in a lifetime. or approximately 0.00%

This post has been edited by FindingGamerWife: Apr 10 2014, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE(Sammich! @ Apr 10 2014, 08:00 PM)
So basically earn 10 k can afford liao right cos dun need so much for living cost
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post Apr 10 2014, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 10 2014, 09:15 PM)
the chance of death on a car is only 3 to 9 deaths per billion km travelled (UK is at 3.1, we are at the upper end)

if you travel 30km back and forth to work everyday, thats only 250-300 per billion chance or 0.0000027% in any given day.

Furthermore, the probability of being in an accident given that you are smart is only 10% of the average accident rate. that makes it even thinner at 0.00000027%.

the cummulative probability of death in 40 years (which has 40x250 driving days = xsqrt(10000) which is 0.000027% probability of death in a lifetime. or approximately 0.00%
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post Apr 11 2014, 06:11 AM

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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Apr 10 2014, 09:12 PM)
oh, you are absolutely correct. please write a book of money is not about spending

oh forgive me. why warren buffet got private jet  whistling.gif  car is too cheap for them?
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When he bought the private jet, he bought it because it the incremental profit and the additional utility from time saved (versus commercial), is better than the opportunity cost of the maintainence/depreciation of the asset.

For example, even someone like me, i value my luxury time at RM90-140 per hour. Someone like warren buffet as a billionaire would probabily value his time at USD100,000-USD150,000 per hour. hence, as long as luxury time gained is more than opp cost of the plane, he will still profits.

moreover, weather you use a myvi or a ferarri to work, ur gonna get stuck in the same jam as everyone.
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post Apr 11 2014, 07:04 AM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 10 2014, 03:03 PM)
if i earn 20 million a month also i wont buy a 300k car.

my brains will immediately go ka ching, forcing me to sell said car immediately (maybe get RM260K back),invest in a trust fund, generating returns of RM30K per year, and buy a Myvi by taking the longest bank loan (hopefully my car cost is RM600 per month)

so the RM30K returns per year, i invest it in another trust fund, netting me RM6K per year, enough to cover my car cost

Hence, instead of losing 300k on a car, i use the RETURNS OF THE RETURNS of the price, to buy a myvi.
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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 01:11 AM)
When he bought the private jet, he bought it because it the incremental profit and the additional utility from time saved (versus commercial), is better than the opportunity cost of the maintainence/depreciation of the asset.

For example, even someone like me, i value my luxury time at RM90-140 per hour. Someone like warren buffet as a billionaire would probabily value his time at USD100,000-USD150,000 per hour. hence, as long as luxury time gained is more than opp cost of the plane, he will still profits.

moreover, weather you use a myvi or a ferarri to work, ur gonna get stuck in the same jam as everyone.
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korek. so why initial you said this? hmm.gif quite contradiction of quote you have there?

"money is a game of life. it doesnt matter if i spend or do not spend on myself, but money is a game. all spending is meaningless in the spirit of the game of making more money. how much money can i ever accumulate? how big can my power and empire grow? how much money can i make in my lifetime? these are the questions once you reach financial independence. its no longer about how big car i can drive etc etc. those are just side dishes to the main game of money."
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post Apr 11 2014, 07:27 AM

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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Apr 11 2014, 07:04 AM)
korek. so why initial you said this?  hmm.gif  quite contradiction of quote you have there?

"money is a game of life. it doesnt matter if i spend or do not spend on myself, but money is a game. all spending is meaningless in the spirit of the game of making more money. how much money can i ever accumulate? how big can my power and empire grow? how much money can i make in my lifetime? these are the questions once you reach financial independence. its no longer about how big car i can drive etc etc. those are just side dishes to the main game of money."
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read properly

the first purchase consideration is a car. A car wont save you more time irregardless of what car you drive. (myvi or honda or toyota, you will still get stuck in the same jam) hence, since there is no time saving, there is no luxury time accumulated, and hence, in monetary terms, you have wasted money

warren buffet bought a plane. A plane can save a few hours of travel and queueing compared to its next best alternative (commercial aircraft). Furthermore, it allows flexibility for warren buffet to schedule his meetings. For someone who have a luxury time valued at USD 100,000-150,000 per hour like warren buffet, if he travels everyday, he can easily accumulate a few million USD worth of luxury time.

Luxury time, can easily be converted to money (by working, making an investment decision, etc), hence in monetary terms, is effective.

TLDR: Time is money
Expensive car saves you no time, hence you wasted $(price of car)
Private airplane saves time, hence, it is not a waste if opportunity cost is less than Value of time saved.

This post has been edited by FindingGamerWife: Apr 11 2014, 07:28 AM
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post Apr 11 2014, 07:28 AM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 10 2014, 09:02 PM)
you dont understand simply because you are not in my position

Why do you think warren buffet still want to earn money despite being a billionaire?
Why do you think taib want to have power on sarawak despite being a billionaire?

every billionaire in top 20, continue to strive to become a billionaire

Once you reach my position, you will understand the real meaning of money. Money is not about spending on this that, showing off in a car, whatever

money is a game of life. it doesnt matter if i spend or do not spend on myself, but money is a game. all spending is meaningless in the spirit of the game of making more money. how much money can i ever accumulate? how big can my power and empire grow? how much money can i make in my lifetime? these are the questions once you reach financial independence. its no longer about how big car i can drive etc etc. those are just side dishes to the main game of money.
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No bro you got it wrong. The billionaires they have a lot of power that you dont have. These people they go outside to socialize with high profiles people like thelmselves. You have to spend money if you want to know the high profile one. They are businessman, not wage earner. Power and empire? You dont have power, but you can treat your bank account as your 'empire', that's it.

About money, you said people dont understand enough about money, but i believe you dont understand it enough either. There should be balanced between spending and saving. Life is about adventures, not only limited to 'money adventure'. Go outside city to explore more like scuba diving, fishing, visit some kampung, donations, mountain climbing and many more. Then you will appreciate nature and realize you have missed so many things while you are chasing for money. Come Sarawak and we will show you the nature, the sea and the forest. These should be the questions when you reach financial independence, to touch more people life, not money make money. icon_rolleyes.gif

If your life is about how much money you ever accumulate, then i feel pity for the things you have missed.
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QUOTE(sgt goebellx @ Apr 10 2014, 08:00 PM)
If you are crazy 10k
If you are obsessed 15k
if you are desperate 20k
if you are rational 30k
if you are wise 40k-60k
if you are low profile 70k-100k
if you are frugal 100k-200k
if you are cheap 200k-300k
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The best answer so far!
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post Apr 11 2014, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 10 2014, 08:03 PM)
if i earn 20 million a month also i wont buy a 300k car.

my brains will immediately go ka ching, forcing me to sell said car immediately (maybe get RM260K back),invest in a trust fund, generating returns of RM30K per year, and buy a Myvi by taking the longest bank loan (hopefully my car cost is RM600 per month)

so the RM30K returns per year, i invest it in another trust fund, netting me RM6K per year, enough to cover my car cost

Hence, instead of losing 300k on a car, i use the RETURNS OF THE RETURNS of the price, to buy a myvi.
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diew, if u earn millions u think BN won't tax the shit outta u ?
300k for a car is considered tax reduction to people who earned million per annum.
hence, they rather pay for a posh car.

This post has been edited by yamahahai: Apr 11 2014, 08:13 AM
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QUOTE(mois @ Apr 11 2014, 07:28 AM)
No bro you got it wrong. The billionaires they have a lot of power that you dont have. These people they go outside to socialize with high profiles people like thelmselves. You have to spend money if you want to know the high profile one. They are businessman, not wage earner. Power and empire? You dont have power, but you can treat your bank account as your 'empire', that's it.

About money, you said people dont understand enough about money, but i believe you dont understand it enough either. There should be balanced between spending and saving. Life is about adventures, not only limited to 'money adventure'. Go outside city to explore more like scuba diving, fishing, visit some kampung, donations, mountain climbing and many more. Then you will appreciate nature and realize you have missed so many things while you are chasing for money. Come Sarawak and we will show you the nature, the sea and the forest. These should be the questions when you reach financial independence, to touch more people life, not money make money.  icon_rolleyes.gif

If your life is about how much money you ever accumulate, then i feel pity for the things you have missed.
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actually, i spend more than 15 days a year enjoying mother nature, and 7 hours a day on weekdays relaxing (5.00pm to 2.00am is my hours).
Weekends i cross country cycling.

Spending and enjoyment has a middle parameter, which is the util efficiency. I maximise utility per unit dollar, thats why everyday is a holiday to me. I go to work, update some spreadsheets, socialise and go out to talk with clients, or go to investment talks and seminars. 5.00pm-2am is my private hours.

This is how i become happy despite my own spending patern. people think the only way to be happy, is to spend.

but they end up spending 300k on a car yet get stuck in a jam 3 hours a day, while i spend RM3 per month on my mode of transport, and spend 10 minutes traveling a day

they spend 20k-30k on a 1 week holiday packages to city centres like france, while i can spend 3k-5k and enjoy 3-4 weeks of mother nature.


Thats why, many people are trapped. without efficiency of spending money, without thinking on what they spend, they keep on buying expensive items which gives little to no happiness. And thats their own downfall.


And many different analyst and sector specialist and professionals say what im saying in a different way.
They say after the 4th house, you will just go for properties
They say once you achieve millionaire, you can be more relaxed
They say you need to achieve some kind of net worth.

But in reality, the threshold is not magnitude of wealth, it is the wealth relative to spending. IE: financial independence.
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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 02:27 AM)
read properly

the first purchase consideration is a car. A car wont save you more time irregardless of what car you drive. (myvi or honda or toyota, you will still get stuck in the same jam) hence, since there is no time saving, there is no luxury time accumulated, and hence, in monetary terms, you have wasted money

warren buffet bought a plane. A plane can save a few hours of travel and queueing compared to its next best alternative (commercial aircraft). Furthermore, it allows flexibility for warren buffet to schedule his meetings. For someone who have a luxury time valued at USD 100,000-150,000 per hour like warren buffet, if he travels everyday, he can easily accumulate a few million USD worth of luxury time.

Luxury time, can easily be converted to money (by working, making an investment decision, etc), hence in monetary terms, is effective.

TLDR: Time is money
Expensive car saves you no time, hence you wasted $(price of car)
Private airplane saves time, hence, it is not a waste if opportunity cost is less than Value of time saved.
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korek korek.
just buy myvi enough, travel from kl to penang just nice.
i bet you will not go dinning at restaurant over RM 50 coz to luxury and wasting time. Economy Rice should be enough coz just eat only.


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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Apr 10 2014, 08:53 PM)
These people make good ancestors.
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QUOTE(szaku89 @ Apr 11 2014, 08:30 AM)
Descendents enjoice haha.  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Sammich! @ Apr 10 2014, 07:11 PM)
Ceo business man and pilot won't buy 300k car liao. Will be 1 million car liao
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You still dun get it ....haiz

See back the Chart plz

If earn 100-300k but still buy 300k Mean Cheap // frugal. That why as per chart say....

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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Apr 11 2014, 08:30 AM)
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korek korek.
just buy myvi enough, travel from kl to penang just nice.
i bet you will not go dinning at restaurant over RM 50 coz to luxury and wasting time. Economy Rice should be enough coz just eat only.
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in almost the past decade, i have only spent RM20.70 on eating out in restaurants/side stalls/etc. mostly for when i woke up late, and have to buy nasi lemak, which happens once every few years.99%+ of the time, i cook all my meals myself. and manage my own groceries.

I always cook myself. because the kind of food i cook, is hard to find at normal roadside stalls in Malaysia. Its also my hobby to cook, and innovate on food (not really innovate lol but yeah tweak tweak recipe).

Furthermore, i hate waiting for food at diners. lol.

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QUOTE(FindingGamerWife @ Apr 11 2014, 08:11 AM)
actually, i spend more than 15 days a year enjoying mother nature, and 7 hours a day on weekdays relaxing (5.00pm to 2.00am is my hours).
Weekends i cross country cycling.

Spending and enjoyment has a middle parameter, which is the util efficiency. I maximise utility per unit dollar, thats why everyday is a holiday to me. I go to work, update some spreadsheets, socialise and go out to talk with clients, or go to investment talks and seminars. 5.00pm-2am is my private hours.

This is how i become happy despite my own spending patern. people think the only way to be happy, is to spend.

but they end up spending 300k on a car yet get stuck in a jam 3 hours a day, while i spend RM3 per month on my mode of transport, and spend 10 minutes traveling a day

they spend 20k-30k on a 1 week holiday packages to city centres like france, while i can spend 3k-5k and enjoy 3-4 weeks of mother nature.
Thats why, many people are trapped. without efficiency of spending money, without thinking on what they spend, they keep on buying expensive items which gives little to no happiness. And thats their own downfall.
And many different analyst and sector specialist and professionals say what im saying in a different way.
They say after the 4th house, you will just go for properties
They say once you achieve millionaire, you can be more relaxed
They say you need to achieve some kind of net worth.

But in reality, the threshold is not magnitude of wealth, it is the wealth relative to spending. IE: financial independence.
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If everyone can live like this, there will be no more financial crisis, no more wastage of resources.

Sad to say, human nature is not like that. Greed, wealth, luxury, showing off, all kicks in man.

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