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TSV12Kompressor
post May 8 2014, 09:53 PM

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first time i cook... my egg also become black color

step by step. biggrin.gif
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post May 8 2014, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ May 8 2014, 09:07 PM)
Everyone has the same 24 hours a day....so it's not a matter of "free like me" or not....I also have wife and children also.... tongue.gif
Dares, don't look down on yourself. you are clumsy because you think you are. I also break things during DIY...who don't right that's how you learn....ppl also say you are only good if you have fallen before. I no tell you cabut rocker cover mah....start small....gain experience 1st....is like you didn't have any training before then you go take part in triathlon....think back when you were still a kid....when you learn how to walk....how many times you have fell down but you didn't give up on learning to walk right....have faith....
Yes, we do because we want to learn....
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You missed the poorfag part la....if something breaks then moneyflies.gif tongue.gif

But honestly, when I first succeded in changing my headlamp bulb (In the case of the popiah, that means taking out the whole headlamp), I damn proud of myself tongue.gif

QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 8 2014, 09:43 PM)
Sardenly all the father and son talk geh sleep.gif
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If my father talk to me, it would be like "what are you doing to your car? why waste money? why got a thick cable in the storeroom? what is grounding? why waste money?"

QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ May 8 2014, 09:53 PM)
first time i cook... my egg also become black color

step by step. biggrin.gif
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When in primary skool I can cook my own lunch rice + fried egg.

now working dy I buat hard-boiled egg til water dry and the egg exploded.

This post has been edited by dares: May 8 2014, 10:15 PM
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post May 8 2014, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 8 2014, 10:14 PM)
You missed the poorfag part la....if something breaks then moneyflies.gif tongue.gif
If my father talk to me, it would be like "what are you doing to your car? why waste money? why got a thick cable in the storeroom? what is grounding? why waste money?"
When in primary skool I can cook my own lunch rice + fried egg.

now working dy I buat hard-boiled egg til water dry and the egg exploded.
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Thats why have to buat home work 1st before DIY....you think I go buke my rocker cover just like that meh...Hahahaha....I find ups and down in Google to see if anyone did it before....but there are also times when you have to be the 1st white rat....

I remember i 1st time cook rice sudah put water then pour in half bottle of tomato sauce because my buat nasi tomato....end up all throw away..and kena slap by my mother for messing with her rice....
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post May 8 2014, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 8 2014, 10:14 PM)
When in primary skool I can cook my own lunch rice + fried egg.

now working dy I buat hard-boiled egg til water dry and the egg exploded.
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ini coz u no remember... lol

pak cik dares liao
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post May 8 2014, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 8 2014, 04:46 PM)
Well this is not Australia....In malaysia you can hardly get anything less than 30 degrees celsius at the intake manifold when cruising (I assume the inlet temp in the video is the same as intake manifold temp). In traffic jam the intake temp can easily go over 50-60 degrees celsius (Preve I heard goes up to 75 degrees lol), the ambient temp alone can go up to 42 degrees instead of the chilly 19 degrees in NSW.

It's not the lack of cold air I wanna address....it's the presence of very hot air  sweat.gif
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if you watched the whole video, they managed to reduce 10-20+ Celsius. no gain. lol.

inspira goes up to around 70c too for my car, especially black bonnet under hot sun doh.gif
for white car, iinm 2-3c cooler. (yes had fun with the infrared thermal gun on one weekend laugh.gif )

in the video iinm their temps were about 40-50+c in the engine if no heat shielding were done
after heat shielding done/cai etc they can maintain 20c+

SIGNIFICANT temperature drop. no gain.
only until the headlamp remove CAI connect all the way in front of the fan, they gotten 4 ponies laugh.gif

summary/tldr:
for modern car, i think hot air isnt that huge of a deal especially on a car that is sub 200 horsie, city driving, point a to b
but if you're chasing dyno charts and stuff, then yeah by all means go for it.

in fact if you look at the 4b10 design, they can EASILY have the damn intake super short and avoid the engine heat altogether, but they chose not to and have a stupidly long travel length on the snorkel/filter box.

the reason is due to the VVT (4b10 MIVEC is basically same as toyota's DVVT lol) requiring some form of air pressure/turbulence created via the snorkel/filter box travel path so that it may mix fuel better prior to combustion especially during low load/low rpm/idle phases. something like squeezing a water hose to get higher water pressure instead of having it freely flow. (if interested may dig up the LYN inspira thread or look up mitsubishi technology pages/documents like this: http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/en/spirit...rary/mivec.html )
that's why people lose torque (especially the low end/power band) or even ponies instead of gaining when putting in drop ins, CAIs etc for these kinda car.
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post May 8 2014, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ May 8 2014, 04:46 PM)
Quazacolt. What you posted is not relevant to what is dares saying. Dares idea is to wrap the stock air box up not change it to open pod or use cold air intake.

I've done a test with my stock air box with wrapping and without wrapping. There's a 2c different from the result using OBD to check. Also the temp is more constant with wrapping compare to without wrapping. Plus intake temp don't hear up so fast during idle with wrap.
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as per above, have you watched the videos? mcm dudes managed to bring down some 20 Celsius of temperature yet no gains sad.gif
and they have a 16x-170 hp on wheel r34 lol

and while working on my previous mod (along with my friend lol) we also managed to bring down some temperature (5ish c also got, using dares idea in general, insulflex + alu sheets), cept even on the butt dyno it didn't seem significant, which i think the actual dyno would be a slap in the face for all the efforts.

after watching that mcm vid, i just drop the idea, my goals aren't chasing ponies on a dyno after all.
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post May 8 2014, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 8 2014, 04:53 PM)
Not just the stock airbox....maybe the whole piping from intake to totobodi.

Just wanna make sure it is worth the effort before embarking on this project.....also need to check if I have enuff insulflex left  sweat.gif
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that's why i dropped the idea lol.
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post May 8 2014, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ May 8 2014, 05:22 PM)
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regardless of my opinions i definitely agree with your attitude thumbup.gif

if only i had more time for all of my hobbies then perhaps my thinking and yours can be very much aligned too nod.gif

QUOTE(TitanRev @ May 8 2014, 09:07 PM)
Everyone has the same 24 hours a day....so it's not a matter of "free like me" or not....I also have wife and children also.... tongue.gif
Dares, don't look down on yourself. you are clumsy because you think you are. I also break things during DIY...who don't right that's how you learn....ppl also say you are only good if you have fallen before. I no tell you cabut rocker cover mah....start small....gain experience 1st....is like you didn't have any training before then you go take part in triathlon....think back when you were still a kid....when you learn how to walk....how many times you have fell down but you didn't give up on learning to walk right....have faith....
Yes, we do because we want to learn....
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yeap you broke your ignition coil...

if dares break his ignition coil on his fofi leh? icon_question.gif

yes, i also agree everyone has the same 24 hours, however everyone have different priorities, hence the difference in opinions laugh.gif

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post May 8 2014, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 8 2014, 09:43 PM)
Sardenly all the father and son talk geh sleep.gif
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post May 8 2014, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ May 8 2014, 06:07 PM)
swap whole thing bumper + bodykit + Top up~! i spend total the bodykit +paint around RM350..

c if u interested we can discuss about it~!
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Hmm... quite tempting...

let me think about it 1st as i have budget constraint
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post May 8 2014, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(AmeiN @ May 8 2014, 12:20 AM)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161227763181?ssPag...984.m1497.l2649

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ETA as stated..

this 1 for pioneer, depend on ur brand HU
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1 end is pioneer and the other end is?? Clarion?
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post May 9 2014, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ May 8 2014, 11:22 PM)
regardless of my opinions i definitely agree with your attitude thumbup.gif

if only i had more time for all of my hobbies then perhaps my thinking and yours can be very much aligned too nod.gif
yeap you broke your ignition coil...

if dares break his ignition coil on his fofi leh?  icon_question.gif

yes, i also agree everyone has the same 24 hours, however everyone have different priorities, hence the difference in opinions laugh.gif
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Quazacolt. Our ignition coil is prone to breaking which is a very common problem but not for other car makes. I have a mitsu with COP and have remove them several times also never have problem taking them out or have them breaking. 1 car make COP easy to break don't mean all car make COP will break that easy. Like what I said do home work 1st before DIY.

Since dares asked about the wrapping well why not give him some support as a friend and let him try right. At least he can learn more about his car. I didn't object his difference in opinion with me. I'm more on supporting him to go ahead. If one have the intention to learn something for themselves I will tell them to go learn.
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post May 9 2014, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ May 9 2014, 12:25 AM)
Quazacolt. Our ignition coil is prone to breaking which is a very common problem but not for other car makes. I have a mitsu with COP and have remove them several times also never have problem taking them out or have them breaking. 1 car make COP easy to break don't mean all car make COP will break that easy. Like what I said do home work 1st before DIY.

Since dares asked about the wrapping well why not give him some support as a friend and let him try right. At least he can learn more about his car. I didn't object his difference in opinion with me. I'm more on supporting him to go ahead. If one have the intention to learn something for themselves I will tell them to go learn.
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the breaking wasn't the point la. i mean, what kinda risk does wrapping an air intake poses? logically near to none, right? but being a clumsy/fat fingers person myself, who knows right?
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QUOTE(vampirewong @ May 8 2014, 11:39 PM)
1 end is pioneer and the other end is?? Clarion?
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1 end connect to HU,
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the other side connect to saga HU wiring
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post May 9 2014, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(AmeiN @ May 9 2014, 12:39 AM)
1 end connect to HU,
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the other side connect to saga HU wiring
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10q
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QUOTE(vampirewong @ May 9 2014, 12:59 AM)
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actually u can use from stock HU also, but i lazy.. so buy harness, plug n play only..haha biggrin.gif

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post May 9 2014, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ May 9 2014, 12:25 AM)
Quazacolt. Our ignition coil is prone to breaking which is a very common problem but not for other car makes. I have a mitsu with COP and have remove them several times also never have problem taking them out or have them breaking. 1 car make COP easy to break don't mean all car make COP will break that easy. Like what I said do home work 1st before DIY.

Since dares asked about the wrapping well why not give him some support as a friend and let him try right. At least he can learn more about his car. I didn't object his difference in opinion with me. I'm more on supporting him to go ahead. If one have the intention to learn something for themselves I will tell them to go learn.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ May 9 2014, 12:28 AM)
the breaking wasn't the point la. i mean, what kinda risk does wrapping an air intake poses? logically near to none, right? but being a clumsy/fat fingers person myself, who knows right?
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Eh abah amah no need argue tongue.gif

Whether I wanna try will be of my own volition la, I will not hold anyone responsible if I choose either or if anything goes wrong. I was simply stating why I hesitate to DIY on the popiah, coz if I break anything popiah parts are not cheap tongue.gif

You know I kept telling my wife Proton car cheap la, spare parts cheap la, maintenance cheap la etc. etc. (except Inspalia icon_idea.gif ), she kinda get where I was trying to push. She predict that, if in the end I buy a Preve, the warranty will be gone in the first year tongue.gif laugh.gif

Titanrev thanks for your encouragement, Quazacolt thanks for the concern icon_rolleyes.gif I will do my due research and let you guys know how it goes

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post May 9 2014, 01:12 AM

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Dares, in the words of david."why u no buy vios!!!"
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post May 9 2014, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 9 2014, 01:09 AM)
Eh abah amah no need argue tongue.gif

Whether I wanna try will be of my own volition la, I will not hold anyone responsible if I choose either or if anything goes wrong. I was simply stating why I hesitate to DIY on the popiah, coz if I break anything popiah parts are not cheap tongue.gif

You know I kept telling my wife Proton car cheap la, spare parts cheap la, maintenance cheap la etc. etc. (except Inspalia  icon_idea.gif ), she kinda get where I was trying to push. She predict that, if in the end I buy a Preve, the warranty will be gone in the first year tongue.gif  laugh.gif

Titanrev thanks for your encouragement, Quazacolt thanks for the concern  icon_rolleyes.gif I will do my due research and let you guys know how it goes
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ah zai grown up liao so touching cry.gif
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post May 9 2014, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ May 9 2014, 01:12 AM)
Dares, in the words of david."why u no buy vios!!!"
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At home already got one NCP42 liao whistling.gif

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ May 9 2014, 01:17 AM)
ah zai grown up liao so touching  cry.gif
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