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 [OFFICIAL]Rig Suggestion Q&A Thread V5!

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rav3n82
post May 2 2014, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ May 2 2014, 04:54 PM)
That statement is wrong on so many levels. Haha.
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On par with a GTX 780 would be a more fitting statement. laugh.gif
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post May 2 2014, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ May 2 2014, 05:10 PM)
Overclock? hmm.gif Idk about that,summoning rav3n82. tongue.gif  biggrin.gif
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lolzcalvin What you mean by max possible overclock settings? The Gigabyte card does come factory overclock at 1040 MHz (stock is 947 MHz), so you should get a very small performance boost from that. Want to go further? You have to manually overclock it yourself then. biggrin.gif

Anyhow, I have tested AC4 on the R9 290 before. Buttery smooth, no issues at all. thumbup.gif
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post May 2 2014, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(mykchin8 @ May 2 2014, 05:28 PM)
The Turbo Boost feature is a function of the Intel CPU, and both the B85 & Z87 chipsets support Intel's Turbo Boost feature.

The advantage that Z87 has is to overclock Intel K CPUs by changing the multiplier, and also to support multi-GPU configurations.

The Asus Z87-K has a TurboV EVO function to automatically overclock CPUs, but I think it is better to manually overclock, and it is also valid with Intel K CPUs, and the Xeon E3 is not good for overclocking, auto or manual, since it cannot change multiplier.
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That is my understanding as well. That's why I was wondering why he would need a Z87 board with a Xeon CPU with locked multiplier. tongue.gif
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post May 2 2014, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(Cable707 @ May 2 2014, 08:09 PM)
Asrock H87 Fatal1ty Performance would be a better choice in CFXing.. smile.gif
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Second lane still runs at x4. Better to consider basic Z87 board like Asrock Z87 Extreme 3, RM449.
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post May 2 2014, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(jdachum @ May 2 2014, 10:13 PM)
i3-4130      RM 349
Asrock H81M-DGS    RM 179
Corsair 8GB DDR3 1600MHz  RM 229
FSP Hexa 500W      RM 149
Palit GTX750 StormX OC 1GB GDDR5 RM 420  (GBros)
Hey guys, I got another question again.
Since this mobo suggested to me only has USB3.0 for back panel, is there any other mobo I can use that will let me install a front panel USB?

Other than that, what is the significant difference between HyperX Fury and valueram?
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You can try Asrock B85M-HDS, RM249.

HyperX Fury has a lower CAS latency IINM. Price also not much difference with value RAM, go with this if you can.
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post May 2 2014, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(jdachum @ May 2 2014, 11:06 PM)
I thought B mobos are for business?  Will we feel any significant improvement if we use HyperX Fury?
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They work just fine for normal users like us also. smile.gif

No, I doubt we will feel the difference.
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post May 3 2014, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(jdachum @ May 2 2014, 11:52 PM)
So, I was right that B mobos are for business! But B mobos lack what in terms of performance compared to H mobos? Take B85 and H81 for example.
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Put it this way, they do not in any way lack in terms of performance, but rather just feature wise, as already pointed out above.

B85 boards are actually very budget segmented boards, in terms of the features you've gained compared to H81 boards.
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post May 3 2014, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ May 2 2014, 06:28 PM)
Can you suggest a rig not over RM4000 including R9 290? I'm comparing between minecrafter's, zgames and your recommendation.
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This is what I can propose. smile.gif

Intel Xeon E3 1230 v3 - RM799
Asrock B85M Pro4 – RM279
Corsair Value Ram 8GB DDR3 1600MHz - RM229
Gigabyte R9 290 Windforce OC - RM1649
Seasonic S12 II 620W PSU - RM299
Plextor M5S 128GB SSD – RM284
WD Caviar Blue 1TB HDD - RM189
Corsair Carbide Spec-03 – RM205
Lite-On 24x DVDRW – RM59

Total – RM3992 (prices are from Viewnet)
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post May 3 2014, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(jdachum @ May 3 2014, 12:08 AM)
So, we can say that B85 is actually better than H81, features wise but without any lack of performance even though the article above said B mobos " lack many of the performance features"? I wonder what performance features B85 lack compared to H81.
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Yes, you're right. By going with B/H series (compared to Z series), basically you will lose out on CPU overclocking and proper SLI/CFG configuration. If neither of these features concern you, then there is no point going for Z series boards. If you look at it from a different light, perhaps this is what the writer meant when referring to "performance features". wink.gif
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post May 3 2014, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(jdachum @ May 3 2014, 12:21 AM)
What if I am interested in doing slight overclocking of both CPU and GPU, using multiple OS in it and such. I won't miss out right?
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Do note that anything other than Z87 boards won't allow you to overclock your CPU, as far as I know. There were reports on some B85 boards offering limited overclocking capability, perhaps you can google for more info. tongue.gif

GPU is a different entity all together, so no impact for your case.
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post May 3 2014, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(sil3ntlif3 @ May 3 2014, 03:11 AM)
No the cpu turbo boost rely on the motherboard not on the cpu itself sad.gif
As for the GPU i'm not well versed with it so i dont know which is the best and which is best value...so some help maybe?
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No, I don't think so. Even H81 boards support Intel Turbo Boost 2.0. Unless you're talking about some form of instant CPU overclocking feature "Turbo OC" or something along that line, then yes I believe only Z87 boards allow you that privilege.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H81M-HDS/?cat=Specifications
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/arc...technology.html

This is what mykchin8 mentioned earlier.
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The Asus Z87-K has a TurboV EVO function to automatically overclock CPUs, but I think it is better to manually overclock, and it is also valid with Intel K CPUs, and the Xeon E3 is not good for overclocking, auto or manual, since it cannot change multiplier.

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post May 3 2014, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(UnskilledOne @ May 3 2014, 09:19 PM)
[Budget] RM3000

[Purpose]
Mainly gaming and for movie. Looking for another desktop system that can keep up in the coming few years.

[Hardwares that will be re-use]
Keyboard, mouse and all other external peripheral.

[Monitor resolution]
1920x1080

[Games & softwares that use frequently]
BF4, CoD and generally the latest titles.

[Personal preferences]
I just need a unit powerful enough for gaming and general use. Best if don't exceed budget. No need for anything fancy.

[Location]
KL

Please advice. Thanks.
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Intel Core i5 4440 - RM579
Asrock B85M Pro4 – RM279
Corsair Value Ram 8GB DDR3 1600MHz - RM229
Zotac GTX 760 2GB – RM799 (Cycom)
Antec VP-550 550W PSU - RM199
WD Caviar Blue 1TB HDD - RM189
Cooler Master K380 Casing - RM149
Viewsonic VX2370SMH 23" IPS LED - RM549
Lite-On 24x DVDRW – RM59

Total - RM3031 (prices are from Viewnet)
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post May 4 2014, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(aishulicious @ May 4 2014, 05:36 PM)
Guys, need help here, i couldnt find Asrock B85M-Pro4 at digital mall pj, which alternative mobo should i go for? Asus B85m-G or MSI? Need help a.s.a.p. Thank you!
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Asus B85M-G or MSI B85M-G43 is fine too. smile.gif
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post May 5 2014, 07:09 AM

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QUOTE(UnskilledOne @ May 5 2014, 02:38 AM)
Thanks for the recommendation. What do you guys think about this?

CPU: i5-4440

Mobo: Asrock B85M Pro4

GPU: MSI 770GTX (Anyone care to tell me what's the diff with the 2gb and 4gb version?)

Ram: 8GB Value ram

HDD: WD Caviar Blue 1TB and 128GB SSD

PSU: Please recommend me one accordingly. Thanks.

Casing: Corsair Carbide Spec-03 Casing

Liteon 24x DVDRW

Please advice, thanks.
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Just ignore the 4GB variants of the GTX 770. You will simply run out of GPU processing power long before hitting the VRAM wall (limit). Go for higher clocked 2GB models, the Gainward GTX 770 Phantom is a good choice, also being nicely priced. smile.gif

Here's my suggestion for you. biggrin.gif

Intel Core i5 4440 - RM579
Asrock B85M Pro4 – RM279
Corsair Value Ram 8GB DDR3 1600MHz - RM229
Gainward GTX 770 Phantom – RM1199 (lingloong)
Seasonic S12 II 620W PSU - RM299
WD Caviar Blue 1TB HDD - RM189
Plextor M5S 128GB SSD - RM284
Cooler Master K380 Casing - RM149
Lite-On 24x DVDRW – RM59

Total - RM3266 (prices are from Viewnet)
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post May 5 2014, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(mykchin8 @ May 5 2014, 08:11 AM)
Tom's Hardware has a report indicating that the Phantom's cooling solution is not as efficient as MSI's Twin Frozr or Gigabyte's WindForce, based on measurements, there is up to 10degC delta in performance. Does anyone have any issues with the temps of Phantoms that you are using now?
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I would personally consider cooling solutions from Palit, Gainward and Zotac as 2nd tier compared to the ones from Asus, Gigabyte and MSI. After all, you get what you pay for. As we have discussed before many times, the cooler from e.g Asus is usually superior in all regards compared to the competition. smile.gif
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QUOTE(mykchin8 @ May 5 2014, 11:50 AM)
Yes, I was just wondering if someone had the experience with the Phantoms in Malaysia, and whether there was a problem encountered for the cooling performance.  The Phantoms are recommended quite often in this forum, so it is quite popular.  I was wondering if the lower cost is worth the lower cooling performance.
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I personally recommend the Phantom because they're one of the highest clocked 770 in our market. The only one with slightly higher memory clocks is the Zotac AMP! Edition. Though I know the Phantom cooler is unlikely to compare with the likes of Asus or Gigabyte. tongue.gif And it's quite reasonably priced as well, so that is a very interesting consideration compared to the other 770s out there.
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QUOTE(UnskilledOne @ May 5 2014, 12:33 PM)
If I'm willing to pay a little more for a better long term solution, will the other 770s prove to be better in any other ways? Or is the phantom sturdy enough with it's lower price? I have close to zero experience with these.
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I find the Phantom to be just fine, I don't think you would go wrong with this card. Palit GTX 770 Jetstream at RM1239 (lingloong) is also a nice card. Tested and approved! Same clock speed as Gainward Phantom also. thumbup.gif

The problem with other 770s (e.g Asus, Gigabyte) is that they're aren't priced as attractive as the Gainward card, and can be up to RM100 - 200 more expensive. sad.gif

QUOTE(Human10 @ May 5 2014, 12:41 PM)
R9 290 proven dem wrong. brows.gif
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Cannot compare like that la, different price at different product range. biggrin.gif R9 290 really proved 780 wrong though.
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QUOTE(Human10 @ May 5 2014, 01:23 PM)
And at that price might as well get R9 290.

I referring to this lah... tongue.gif
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon...90x,3728-6.html
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Sorry you mean the higher temps for the 290? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Human10 @ May 5 2014, 01:26 PM)
The normal superior DCUII proven not suitable to handle the beasty R9 290 (conditionally).

Also I had a friend's 290 DCUII gone overheat for mining, LEL...
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Guess different reviewers, different cup of tea. biggrin.gif

As usual, we usually trade off quietness for lower temps. Guess Asus on the "quiet" BIOS is clearly unmatched (albeit the higher temps), at least according to Techpowerup. I have earlier commented on the design of the heatsink for the DCUII, it actually isn't specifically designed for Hawaii GPU. Asus simply leveraged an existing design and tweaked it to accommodate the Hawaii chips, that's why 2 of its 5 heatpipes are not in direct contact with the GPU.

Mining different issue though, wonder any Tri-X failed as well? hmm.gif I had a friend who's 280X Dual-X also died recently, casualty of the mining project. laugh.gif

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Our tests had the Tri-X produce very good gaming noise levels that are slightly quieter than the GTX Titan and GTX 780 Ti. While the card is far from inaudible, it has still taken a big step in the right direction. Noise levels in idle haven't improved at all, which is a shame. Sapphire could have engineered an extremely quiet card for work in idle, which would have benefited people who do not game all the time and want their PCs to be as quiet as possible. Don't get me wrong, the card is quiet in idle, but it could be virtually inaudible. Sapphire decided not to use the dual BIOS feature for a performance/quiet BIOS combo, which means that user can't opt to run the card very quietly but with higher temperatures or with lower temperatures but a bit more noise. The ASUS R9 290X DirectCU II OC does have the option, and I consider it an extremely useful feature because it eliminates the need for manual fan control via software. But with only a single BIOS, the Tri-X's acoustics (37 dBA) and temperatures (73°C) are well tuned. I would have opted for slightly higher temperatures with less noise as there is a ton of temperature headroom to do so. Remember, AMD's reference design runs 95°C, which is perfectly safe. I think Sapphire tried to focus on lower temperatures to impress people who get scared by such high temperatures, though. The ASUS DC II OC with its quiet BIOS enabled is a better choice if you want the absolutely quietest R9 290X out there, and it even comes with that backplate Sapphire's Tri-X doesn't have.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphir...ri-X_OC/29.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9...u_II_OC/29.html
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QUOTE(Eiensakura @ May 5 2014, 02:18 PM)
Is there a big diff between i5-4440 and i5-4570?

Btw, this is the rig i'm looking at atm

CPU: i5-4570 -619
Mobo: Asrock Z87 xtreme 3 -449
RAM: Corsair 8GB DDR3 1600MHz -229
GPU: Gainward 770 phantom - 1299
PSU: Seasonic S12 620W -299
HDD: WD 1 TB caviar blue -189
ODD: Lite-On 24x DVDRW – RM59
Chassis: NZXT H230- 215
Cooling: +- rm100
Monitor: Samsung S23C350H -524

rm3882, can anyone give me any suggestions to tweak this build for best money to performance ratio?
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http://ark.intel.com/compare/75043,75038

In a nutshell, higher base and turbo clock speed for i5 4570. But isn't really worth the extra you paying, in my opinion.

Here's my proposal. smile.gif

Intel Core i5 4440 - RM579
Asrock B85M Pro4 – RM279
Corsair Value Ram 8GB DDR3 1600MHz - RM229
Gainward GTX 770 Phantom 2GB – RM1199 (lingloong / IdealTech)
Seasonic S12 II 620W PSU - RM299
WD Caviar Blue 1TB HDD - RM189
Plextor M5S 128GB SSD - RM284
Corsair Carbide Spec-03 Casing - RM219
LG 23EA63V 23" IPS LED - RM579
Lite-On 24x DVDRW – RM59

Total - RM3915 (prices are from Viewnet)


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