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 [OFFICIAL]Rig Suggestion Q&A Thread V5!

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rav3n82
post May 9 2014, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(WeiST87 @ May 9 2014, 12:34 PM)
Hi,

I have some question on your suggestions -

1) Why value ram? I thought performance RAM helps in overclocking and analysis program..
2) Why AMD GPU? I was told Nvidia GTX series works on rendering better than AMD..
3) also, can the proposed casing and MOBO house scythe Ashura?

Thanks for helping..
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Sentinel92 has answered everything you need to know. Just top up a bit. biggrin.gif

1. Value RAM is fast enough for most general use. Anandtech actually found that the differences between a higher clocked RAM actually reaps very little benefit. I seriously do not know what impact it has on the things you plan to run though. In fact they recommend that user add in more RAM, rather than going for faster memory. tongue.gif
2. I simply pick the AMD GPU due to the better price/performance advantage that it carries over GTX 780. As I know, rendering is more dependent on a strong CPU and may not necessarily be GPU bound. However, I have no prior experience on this. So if you feel your software is leaning towards Nvidia, you can seriously consider going with the MSI GTX 780 TF4, which is an excellent card as well.
3. The Storm Scout 2 can accommodate a CPU cooler of up to 162 mm (height). The Scythe Ashura is only 161mm high, so no problem there. wink.gif
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post May 9 2014, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ May 9 2014, 03:48 PM)
Sentinel92 has answered everything you need to know. Just top up a bit. biggrin.gif

1. Value RAM is fast enough for most general use. Anandtech actually found that the differences between a higher clocked RAM actually reaps very little benefit. I seriously do not know what impact it has on the things you plan to run though. In fact they recommend that user add in more RAM, rather than going for faster memory. tongue.gif
2. I simply pick the AMD GPU due to the better price/performance advantage that it carries over GTX 780. As I know, rendering is more dependent on a strong CPU and may not necessarily be GPU bound. However, I have no prior experience on this. So if you feel your software is leaning towards Nvidia, you can seriously consider going with the MSI GTX 780 TF4, which is an excellent card as well.
3. The Storm Scout 2 can accommodate a CPU cooler of up to 162 mm (height). The Scythe Ashura is only 161mm high, so no problem there. wink.gif
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The reason why higher clocked RAM reaps not much benefits is because the high clock speed is held back by slow/high timing rates. That's why true performance RAM which has high clock speed and fast/low timing like 2400MHz @ CL9 cost an absolute shit ton.

Which is why I said there is a slight hindrance because more often than not value ram not only have lower clock speed, but slower CL11 timings as well. But as agreed, General computing, especially with an SSD there, you won't feel any difference.

Agreed on the TF4 if he needs nVidia and CUDA.

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post May 9 2014, 05:09 PM

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Anyone know what the timing configuration for ram 1600mhz 4gb cas11?

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post May 9 2014, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(CrimsOn ChAos @ May 9 2014, 05:09 PM)
Anyone know what the timing configuration for ram 1600mhz 4gb cas11?
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LOL, isn't it CL11?
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QUOTE(Human10 @ May 9 2014, 05:14 PM)
LOL, isn't it CL11?
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laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif +1.

CAS11. C11D. CL11. All mean the same thing.
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post May 9 2014, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(Human10 @ May 9 2014, 05:14 PM)
LOL, isn't it CL11?
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Haha.. Sorry2, typo. sad.gif
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post May 9 2014, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(Zgames @ May 9 2014, 03:09 PM)
So need a monitor within the budget mate?

With monitor

Proc - i3-4130 RM 349
Mobo - Asrock H81M-DGS RM 179
GPU - Gainward GTX 750 Golden Sample RM 520
HDD - 1TB WD Blue RM 179
RAM - 8GB Value RAM RM 229
SSD - Plextor M5S 128GB RM 289
PSU - FSP Hexa 500w RM 149
Casing - Bitfenix Comrade RM 149
Monitor - Dell S2240L IPS RM 489

The monitor isn't 23" but it is IPS biggrin.gif All costing RM2527. If want to cut cost get a cheaper LED non-IPS monitor. Cost roughly around RM 280-400+. Prices from Viewnet cept GPU from GBros and Casing from DotaTech.
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post May 9 2014, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ May 9 2014, 04:01 PM)
The reason why higher clocked RAM reaps not much benefits is because the high clock speed is held back by slow/high timing rates. That's why true performance RAM which has high clock speed and fast/low timing like 2400MHz @ CL9 cost an absolute shit ton.

Which is why I said there is a slight hindrance because more often than not value ram not only have lower clock speed, but slower CL11 timings as well. But as agreed, General computing, especially with an SSD there, you won't feel any difference.

Agreed on the TF4 if he needs nVidia and CUDA.
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You're right. So in a nutshell, basically the 1866 CL9 RAM kit would serve as the best sweetspot memory, striking a right balance between performance and cost. Kingston's HyperX Genesis 8GB kit starts from RM349. Perhaps WeiST87 can consider this instead then if he needs slightly higher performing RAMs.
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post May 9 2014, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ May 9 2014, 04:01 PM)
The reason why higher clocked RAM reaps not much benefits is because the high clock speed is held back by slow/high timing rates. That's why true performance RAM which has high clock speed and fast/low timing like 2400MHz @ CL9 cost an absolute shit ton.

Which is why I said there is a slight hindrance because more often than not value ram not only have lower clock speed, but slower CL11 timings as well. But as agreed, General computing, especially with an SSD there, you won't feel any difference.

Agreed on the TF4 if he needs nVidia and CUDA.
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You're right. So in a nutshell, basically the 1866 CL9 RAM kit would serve as the best sweetspot memory, striking a right balance between performance and cost. Kingston's HyperX Genesis 8GB kit starts from RM349. Perhaps WeiST87 can consider this instead then if he needs slightly higher performing RAMs.
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QUOTE(cle900706 @ May 9 2014, 01:22 AM)
most of the stuff u can get from viewnet, but go other other shops like cycom, czone and others then go back viewnet say their offer. did that, and got quite a bargain. or u can purchase separate parts from cheaper shops in lowyat
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It is very common for buyers to go check the prices among all the shops, and then go back to one shop and tell that shop what is the cheapest prices, and most of the time, that one shop can match the prices or come close enough that it doesn't matter much.

However, I do discourage from buying from multiple shops, since if there is an issue, you will need some help to troubleshoot, and then claim warranty. If you buy from one shop, you will get better service, so the better approach is to buy from one shop.

Viewnet, All IT, Thundermatch, Sri Computers and all the large shops in LYP have an advantage because they stock a large variety of computer parts. However, large shops with many sales persons will find it more challenging to provide good customer service consistently, unless you deal with the owner of the shop, who also might not always be there. Also the larger shops have a higher overhead (rental in LYP is very expensive), so this will also translate to higher average sale prices.
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post May 9 2014, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(mykchin8 @ May 9 2014, 05:49 PM)
It is very common for buyers to go check the prices among all the shops, and then go back to one shop and tell that shop what is the cheapest prices, and most of the time, that one shop can match the prices or come close enough that it doesn't matter much.

However, I do discourage from buying from multiple shops, since if there is an issue, you will need some help to troubleshoot, and then claim warranty.  If you buy from one shop, you will get better service, so the better approach is to buy from one shop.

Viewnet, All IT, Thundermatch, Sri Computers and all the large shops in LYP have an advantage because they stock a large variety of computer parts.  However, large shops with many sales persons will find it more challenging to provide good customer service consistently, unless you deal with the owner of the shop, who also might not always be there.  Also the larger shops have a higher overhead (rental in LYP is very expensive), so this will also translate to higher average sale prices.
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my recent purchase with viewnet is good,i recommend viewnet thumbup.gif
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post May 9 2014, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ May 9 2014, 05:15 PM)
laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif +1.

CAS11. C11D. CL11. All mean the same thing.
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Is this input right or not? 9-9-9-27
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post May 9 2014, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(creative zn @ May 8 2014, 03:36 PM)
No more funding already. T_T

Guess im stuck with R9 280x for this year. Haha. Hope AMD card like mine can play Watch Dog with decent graphic setting knowing the games favor Nvidia. That game ultra recomended sett already put GTX780. Lol
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R9 280X is not that bad, it still in the high end gpu league.
780 and 290 is higher but you got the point.
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post May 9 2014, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ May 9 2014, 05:37 PM)
You're right. So in a nutshell, basically the 1866 CL9 RAM kit would serve as the best sweetspot memory, striking a right balance between performance and cost. Kingston's HyperX Genesis 8GB kit starts from RM349. Perhaps WeiST87 can consider this instead then if he needs slightly higher performing RAMs.
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Deswai I beli 1866MHz CL9. laugh.gif laugh.gif
I concur with the HyperX Genesis. thumbup.gif

Won't be long when DDR4 comes along you'll be seeing 2400Mhz CL9 on a regular basis.

QUOTE(CrimsOn ChAos @ May 9 2014, 08:03 PM)
Is this input right or not? 9-9-9-27
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That's CL9. So it's correct. Try to aim for RAM with the same timings.
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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ May 9 2014, 08:42 PM)
Deswai I beli 1866MHz CL9.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
I concur with the HyperX Genesis.  thumbup.gif

Won't be long when DDR4 comes along you'll be seeing 2400Mhz CL9 on a regular basis.
That's CL9. So it's correct. Try to aim for RAM with the same timings.
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Any suggestion? icon_question.gif
I am not really know about the ram timing. Sigh...
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post May 9 2014, 09:08 PM

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is Scythe Ashura reliable? can fit into 750D?

any idea where can buy. thanks

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QUOTE(CrimsOn ChAos @ May 9 2014, 08:49 PM)
Any suggestion?  icon_question.gif
I am not really know about the ram timing. Sigh...
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You can get any Kingston or Corsair or GSkill RAM which states 1600Mhz CL9. Should he sufficient for gaming and normal computing.

You don't need to know the details of RAM timing. Just make sure it's CL9.
But if you insist on reading, http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Und...-RAM-Timings/26
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post May 9 2014, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ May 9 2014, 09:09 PM)
You can get any Kingston or Corsair or GSkill RAM which states 1600Mhz CL9. Should he sufficient for gaming and normal computing.

You don't need to know the details of RAM timing. Just make sure it's CL9.
But if you insist on reading, http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Und...-RAM-Timings/26
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Thanks for the links. Really need the ram timing. The am3+ mobo need to change its bios setting to support this ram.
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QUOTE(GroundMan @ May 9 2014, 09:08 PM)
is Scythe Ashura reliable? can fit into 750D?

any idea where can buy. thanks
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Fairly good I might say. Idealtech sells em. PM them biggrin.gif

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