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 Titan Adjustable Suspension Very Bumpy, FIXEd By Changing To FTUNED RACING

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post Feb 18 2014, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Feb 18 2014, 01:02 AM)
the "F" is a friend of mine...many consider him to be the handling sifu

if I can find a buyer for my tein flex, id go for his street/track suspension
id like u to PROPERLY think abt the bolded parts...REALLY REALLY think about it.

before u even think of pressing the reply button, think REAL HARD about it.

seriously, im not joking...think VERY VERY HARD about it...
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I am currently eye-ing on F-tuned coilover, thinking to jump ship from Titan to F-Tuned as Titan does not have soft hard setting, and rear spring adjustment. (Suzuki Swift)

I think Titan is not as good as last time when Richard himself taking care of his customers. Price jacked up high and workmanship quality is so so... I was being quoted for RM600 just for a pair of rear spring without height adjuster, reasonable price? hmm...

Titan claimed that their coilover are better and more comfort than other like Bilstein... HKS... etc..etc.. I just could not agree on this, I have tried on friend's HKS coilover and found out it is much more comfortable than Titan, and much more firm on handling uneven roads.

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post Feb 18 2014, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(dantei136 @ Feb 18 2014, 12:42 AM)
I told them why my car cant perform a comfort level that most satisfy cumtomers get...he said your car is light...and most noticable comfor that I feels were from a heavy sedan...
Even his persona is even more comfy...

And yesterday i met one of the customer there that came for servicing his titaned Myvi...
I asked him hows the setup he get...He also said that the ride in not comfy...so assume what they said about the type of cars and the weight of cars plays important roles with their suspension...
Maybe titan is not that good for a light compact car..?
Well I just assume based on what the myvi owner said...
But when it comes to the customer who titaned a sedan car they got a comfy side...
Hrm...
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Urm, why you compare the comfy of light torsion beam car to heavy multilink car? hmm.gif

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post Feb 18 2014, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(amad108 @ Feb 18 2014, 02:11 AM)
just want to know, did Titan use back ur original spring or they give their spring?
AFAIK, if u want more comfort n handling better then OEM they will install their absorber n tune it to match the spring rate from ur original spring.. if its too bumpy then something wrong with ur ori spring.. if they change it to other spring then u never get back the comfortable u searching..
did they test ur car before they tune it?

as for me, i also ex-Titan user.. i ask them i want street setup (proton wira), after they finish install i thought the rear side its a bit high to my likeness, but they ask try 1st.. i try it for 2-3 months still i dont like it.. then i just ask my mech to lowered it to my like.. then after that i really confident to attack corner as fast as i want..
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Hi Bro...The setup they made for me is by using their spring...none of my spring were used...
Their spring specification FRONT 5K & REAR 3K...
Yes they did try the car before and after they make the setup for me..
It is ok ?
Or is this the reason that they cant get me a setup with comfortable as they are using their spring ?

This post has been edited by dantei136: Feb 18 2014, 04:47 PM
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post Feb 18 2014, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Feb 18 2014, 03:09 PM)
Yea, but as long as you tried to sit on one... You might perhaps have a different perception?

Ok... I cannot afford it too tongue.gif
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Haha thats true thumbup.gif

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post Feb 18 2014, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(dantei136 @ Feb 18 2014, 04:43 PM)
Hi Bro...The setup they made for me is by using their spring...none of my spring were used...
Their spring specification FRONT 5K & REAR 3K...
Yes they did try the car before and after they make the setup for me..
It is ok ?
Or is this the reason that they cant get me a setup with comfortable as they are using their spring ?
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yup.. that could be the reason.. most of car that want comfortable ride (especially rare or expensive car), Titan use back their spring.. they will compress the spring whatsoever to combine with their absorber..
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post Feb 18 2014, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(dantei136 @ Feb 17 2014, 10:29 PM)
Hello Forumer...
I own a 2000 Honda CRV First Generation Last Batch...
I installed a Koni Yellow Sport Suspention paired with H&R Race Spring (RED)

The car was so stable on high speed mostly when I travel KL-IPOH once a week...
Its the sport best suspension setup I've ever own in my life

Now Im driving a 2nd Generation Honda Jazz GE8 CBU with paddle shifter...
On last week of chinese new year I brought the car to TITAN specialist...
The gave me the brief yet most reviewed I read on forums said that its the most comfy adjustable on the market...
So I made a decision of installing them...
Before I proceed to them I told them that I want a setup that are good for conering while theres a comfy side...
I gave the car to them and I was given their persona that equip with their Titan Adjustable and I was suprise how comfy the ride is and the steering feedback while conerning is very impressive...

On the same day I got the car and drove it to home I found that the ride is quite harsh...
I was like oh its ok maybe it the nature of adjustable suspensiom...
On the night I tried the car on MRR2 to cheras and I was like WTF!!! Its very stiff and bouncy like hell...
Even my friend that was with me said its like your shock dont do their job...

Later on next day I went back to them and they installed me their spring 5K on front and 3K on the rear...
I was like oh ok Im fine with the ride feels...
Later on the other day I traveled back to ipoh...

Again I was like WTF!!!
Its still bumpy and bouncy while cruising on the highway...
And the next week after I went back to them and they told me that they will try to soften the shock compression...
I proceed and it was the 2nd tuning and it was the last tuning they gave me as a new buyers you have the ringht to get only 2 times of free tuning...

Suddenly while I was waiting they came to me and said it not possible to soften it further more...
So they sunggest me to come tomorrow morning to get back my oem spring to be install on the rear...as We cannot proceed it on the day as its already 5pm...

So on the next morning I went to them and I left the car to them with my oem rear spring...
At about 4pm...I went back to them and I saw the height of the rear was like WTF!!! It was so hight as same as stock setup...
Before I proceed to transplant the oem spring I was told that they can make the height setup as low as the current setup with thier spring which was 2.5 finger gap...
But once I saw it...I said this wasnt right...
So I told them to installed back their spring and the shock compression is soften to the setup with oem spring...
Still I have to paid them...Suppose I was quoted RM100 for the tuning and I asked them to make it RM50 since I was a customer that didnt met the setup I wanted...

So I paid...

And now Im on Ladang Bikam R&R going back to IPOh reporting you guys that I am in huge dissapointment with the ride quality which still bumpy and harsh...
I paid almost for 3k and yet I drove the car like riding a horse...
I even ride my friend VIVA with a FAKE D2 and still full of comfort I felt on his car...

Guy can you give your opinoin please...
What is wrong with me or their quality that is USED to be THE BEST among of All Brands of ADJUSTABLE on the MARKETS...

BEST REGARDS
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Hi Daniel, Sorry to hear abt this. I will highlight this issue to the person in charge. In the mean time, mind to share with me any other issue you are having?
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post Feb 18 2014, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(amad108 @ Feb 18 2014, 04:50 PM)
yup.. that could be the reason.. most of car that want comfortable ride (especially rare or expensive car), Titan use back their spring.. they will compress the spring whatsoever to combine with their absorber..
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But on the 3rd round of tuning I did gave them the stock spring but once they use the stock spring the height cant be lowered and its remain the same height as a stock...but most of customer who use back their stock spring with titan adjustable they can get lower right height...mostly...
Maybe there's some issues with my spring that cannot be compress in order to get lower ride height ??
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post Feb 18 2014, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(FrozenIce @ Feb 18 2014, 05:28 PM)
Hi Daniel, Sorry to hear abt this. I will highlight this issue to the person in charge. In the mean time, mind to share with me any other issue you are having?
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Bro...thanks for your concern I believe you are one of titan people...
So far there's no other problem that Im facing right now...
Its just the quality of the ride is being the issue...
The ride is harsh and bumpy
I met with couples of guy who already use Titan and they are all satisfy with the ride quality and I even impress how well their ride setup...
They ride setup with titan adjustable are very smooth on all type of road surface and yet the cornering is also impressive...they get a comfort ride quality with stable on cornering
But when it comes to my car...its bumpy...bouncy..harsh...the only good side did I get is just cornering...even cant get a small comfort feels...
The ride quality is what make me disappointed...
Sometime I keep asking why didnt I get what most people get with their TITAN...
I even have a hard sleep everyday thinking of this...
I kept $$$$ for a long time to get Titan for my car and speed and speed a lot of $$$$ to get these Titan while Im still a student...
I would love to have it retune again but its already on 3rd tuning so I must pay for the next tuning 4th round that will cost me $$$$...
Its not fair if I pay for retune and yet still cant get a better result that most people got...
I just want to eliminate the bumpiness, bounciness and harsh...

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post Feb 18 2014, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(dantei136 @ Feb 18 2014, 06:21 PM)
Bro...thanks for your concern I believe you are one of titan people...
So far there's no other problem that Im facing right now...
Its just the quality of the ride is being the issue...
The ride is harsh and bumpy
I met with couples of guy who already use Titan and they are all satisfy with the ride quality and I even impress how well their ride setup...
They ride setup with titan adjustable are very smooth on all type of road surface and yet the cornering is also impressive...they get a comfort ride quality with stable on cornering
But when it comes to my car...its bumpy...bouncy..harsh...the only good side did I get is just cornering...even cant get a small comfort feels...
The ride quality is what make me disappointed...
Sometime I keep asking why didnt I get what most people get with their TITAN...
I even have a hard sleep everyday thinking of this...
I kept $$$$ for a long time to get Titan for my car and speed and speed a lot of $$$$ to get these Titan while Im still a student...
I would love to have it retune again but its already on 3rd tuning so I must pay for the next tuning 4th round that will cost me $$$$...
Its not fair if I pay for retune and yet still cant get a better result that most people got...
I just want to eliminate the bumpiness, bounciness and harsh...
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About this issue I will discuss with the PIC to see what can I help on your problems. I understand how you feel coz i had similar issue before but not on suspension. You can find my contact at Garage Sales if you want to talk to me. Cheers smile.gif
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QUOTE(dantei136 @ Feb 18 2014, 06:03 PM)
But on the 3rd round of tuning I did gave them the stock spring but once they use the stock spring the height cant be lowered and its remain the same height as a stock...but most of customer who use back their stock spring with titan adjustable they can get lower right height...mostly...
Maybe there's some issues with my spring that cannot be compress in order to get lower ride height ??
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maybe.. i think u need to ask them properly what is the problem..
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QUOTE(FrozenIce @ Feb 18 2014, 07:14 PM)
About this issue I will discuss with the PIC to see what can I help on your problems. I understand how you feel coz i had similar issue before but not on suspension. You can find my contact at Garage Sales if you want to talk to me. Cheers smile.gif
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Ok bro...can you PM me on how can we discuss this and the solution that might help me with the proper setup...

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if you still not feel ok please try to talk with a person in charge (wai loong) im sure this guy can help you thanks
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QUOTE(Edisonkim @ Feb 18 2014, 07:43 PM)
if you still not feel ok please try to talk with a person in charge (wai loong) im sure this guy can help you thanks
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I've dealed with him, he suggested me to use the rear stock spring...
I told him to make the ride as low as possible...
But once installed...The right height was unable to drop...
So I insist to reinstall their spring back...
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QUOTE(dantei136 @ Feb 18 2014, 12:42 AM)
I told them why my car cant perform a comfort level that most satisfy cumtomers get...he said your car is light...and most noticable comfor that I feels were from a heavy sedan...
Even his persona is even more comfy...

And yesterday i met one of the customer there that came for servicing his titaned Myvi...
I asked him hows the setup he get...He also said that the ride in not comfy...so assume what they said about the type of cars and the weight of cars plays important roles with their suspension...
Maybe titan is not that good for a light compact car..?
Well I just assume based on what the myvi owner said...
But when it comes to the customer who titaned a sedan car they got a comfy side...
Hrm...
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i installed the normal titan abs (not the full coilovers) on my Nissan cube (almost same size as Myvi)
i coupled it with a Espelir lowered spring..
the ride was stable and firm... i was using a 40series tyyre...
didnt get a bumpy ride...
and i cant say its as comfortable as my myvi with stock abs + G|A|B spring..

it was harder the first week i had it, but after that, it felt better... or maybe i got used to it...
but never i classify my ride as bumpy like horse riding... only firmer...

maybe u need a different spring rate.. a softer one??
cos from what i understand, stock spring is stiffer than lowered spring...

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QUOTE(abundai @ Feb 18 2014, 09:53 PM)
i installed the normal titan abs (not the full coilovers) on my Nissan cube (almost same size as Myvi)
i coupled it with a Espelir lowered spring..
the ride was stable and firm... i was using a 40series tyyre...
didnt get a bumpy ride...
and i cant say its as comfortable as my myvi with stock abs + G|A|B spring..

it was harder the first week i had it, but after that, it felt better... or maybe i got used to it...
but never i classify my ride as bumpy like horse riding... only firmer...

maybe u need a different spring rate.. a softer one??
cos from what i understand, stock spring is stiffer than lowered spring...
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r u sure stock spring is stiffer then lowered spring? i thought other way around..
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post Feb 18 2014, 11:00 PM

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I used to be titan user. I make mistake by wanting a hard set up. Malaysia road is really shit. So titan is very accomodating to tune till I satisfied. Its quite a few round and its FOC. I guess bcos of that now they have the 3 times limit d. I finally satisfied with a soft set up. Ride hide is 1.5 finger gap yet it didnt hit fender and very good handling. But I still feel the rear is not hard enough and did request them to change a slightly harder spring. Everytime i have passengers at the back, the spring goes down a lot. The front spring hardly move when i go in the car. They never change for me. I guess my car use a spring that they cut shorter. So I think they hesitant to cut another spring. I always feel my car feel better when my car just came out from the workshop.

Ur case maybe they already made the absorber to their spring height. So when u put the ori spring, its very high n they couldnt make changes to their absorber height already. But thats just guessing.

Most bmw, avanza they will advice to use ori spring becos all the replacement spring they have is linear type. The car I mention above the rear spring design is like top n bottom is smaller diameter than center so cannot use what they have.

Richard is the only guy know how the thing works there. Is he still there?

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QUOTE(chinteck79 @ Feb 18 2014, 11:00 PM)
I used to be titan user. I make mistake by wanting a hard set up. Malaysia road is really shit. So titan is very accomodating to tune till I satisfied. Its quite a few round and its FOC. I guess bcos of that now they have the 3 times limit d. I finally satisfied with a soft set up. Ride hide is 1.5 finger gap yet it didnt hit fender and very good handling. But I still feel the rear is not hard enough and did request them to change a slightly harder spring. Everytime i have passengers at the back, the spring goes down a lot. The front spring hardly move when i go in the car. They never change for me. I guess my car use a spring that they cut shorter. So I think they hesitant to cut another spring. I always feel my car feel better when my car just came out from the workshop.

Ur case maybe they already made the absorber to their spring height. So when u put the ori spring, its very high n they couldnt make changes to their absorber height already. But thats just guessing.

Most bmw, avanza they will advice to use ori spring becos all the replacement spring they have is linear type. The car I mention above the rear spring design is like top n bottom is smaller diameter than center so cannot use what they have.

Richard is the only guy know how the thing works there. Is he still there?
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On my case all the spring use their spring...
Yes Mr Richard is still there...


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post Feb 19 2014, 08:53 AM

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I have to clarify this case on behalf of Uncle Richard. I have spoken to Uncle Richard regarding about this issue yesterday. He told me that user Dantei136 came to Titan and insisted a setting which is lowered with firm ride and yet still have the comfortness with full load of passenger on the rear as he use the car to fetch family around.

Herman was the person in charge regarding about this issue. User has been advised to use absorbers only due to the lightweight of the car. User insisted for adjustable because want to look lowered. Uncle Richard tried his best to make the ride as soft as possible and yet doesn't let the suspension to be too soft to avoid bottom's up.

After installation, user complained that the suspension was too harsh and wanted to be soften more. Wailoong came in to the picture and advice him to use stock spring for more comfort as the sport spring couldnt match the softness of the suspension.

After the stock spring installation, the ride height was raised up as you can understand the stock spring is to support the weight of the car and plus titan suspension the ride will go higher. Uncle Richard had tried his best adjust to what he need.

So guys please do comment on this case as I don't want any misunderstand regarding about Titan brand.
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"I gave the car to them and I was given their persona that equip with their Titan Adjustable and I was suprise how comfy the ride is and the steering feedback while conerning is very impressive..."

even in stock condition persona is the best handling car in its class. smile.gif
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QUOTE(amad108 @ Feb 18 2014, 10:08 PM)
r u sure stock spring is stiffer then lowered spring? i thought other way around..
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titan mech told me that, but i didnt believe it either...
so i insist them to change my rear spring back to standard (thinking it was softer than my Espelir lowered springs)....
had to admit, i was wrong
the ride was higher, plus harder that i had to ask them to reinstall the lowered spring ..

maybe not true for ALL cars, but i bet titan mech was speaking from experience dealing with lotsa diff cars..
so i do believe in them in some ways...

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