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 Is the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2

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post Feb 2 2014, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(frederic9 @ Feb 2 2014, 09:58 PM)
That's diversifying which is the BEST way.

I was arguing this point (property = HEDGE against inflation).
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Yup, dun put all the eggs in one bucket especially following these yrs. Last time during crisis. Gold n cash are king. Tis coming crisis. Hmmmm maybe no

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post Feb 3 2014, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 2 2014, 11:24 PM)
Why bother with property in kv and you should buy property in hong kong, japan, singapore as land there is more limited.
Either you are or learned from a "financial planner"?
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Uncle n unty cash rich in small town oso know keep land much much better than keep cash. No need financial planner to tell.
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post Feb 3 2014, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 3 2014, 12:21 AM)
ya it is true, provided the price are not inflated, this is not like see new project and whack.. uncle and auntie got whack outskirt meh? for investment, home stay or retire maybe larr

auntie uncle whack properties they know or some agents introuduce and couple with own experience only go whack..young flippers different see developers not see price tag, and distance, possibility of increasing and surrounding demographic then whack..

mostly they browse the profile of the world class developers rather than other ting.. and couple with seniors who profited from 2010 to whack whatever came out from developers..

that echo hill websites says

"it is a natural wonder, 30 minutes from KL CITY center" then show few trees, waterfalls, green hills, and yada yada.. the developer really interested on going green meh? targets they really interested.. like yearly revenue..

.. NO Disclaimer CLAUSE one.. only applicable during CNY days, non peak hours, curfew days and etc..  friend of mine the first time reach dat place was the registration day bought it ... and ..
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Hihi. Lu really tak suka eco hill. By the way, I din buy house there but I will recommend for those interested to buy house in south of KV can consider Ecohill and EM laugh.gif laugh.gif

U hv not recommend any investment can bring ROI 50% per yr. Ada kah?

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post Feb 3 2014, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(CK15 @ Feb 3 2014, 09:35 AM)
Seriously, I also interested to know what type of property BBW will buy? What location(s)? what developer(s)? and what is the right price?  hmm.gif
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Wait for BBW to reply. I oso very interested.
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post Feb 3 2014, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(CK15 @ Feb 3 2014, 10:44 AM)
Understood and agreed with u BBW has 1st hand access to foreclosure properties. Just kpc wants to know what he/she will buy la!
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post Feb 3 2014, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(CK15 @ Feb 3 2014, 11:56 AM)
for own stay, mind to share where u r willing to put ur $$$? what is the price range? any prefer developer(s)?
for investment, wht is ur target margin?
TQVM.
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post Feb 3 2014, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Feb 3 2014, 04:16 PM)
those auctions prop are not cheap if it is in good location, cheap prop usually in ulu places eg bkt beruntung etc. 6-10k can get one apartment yet nobody wan
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Yup, I hv tried to get a land though auction. Dun think will get cheaper price especially good location.
For those think easily can get cheaper property in auction. Hihi. U do first only u will know.
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post Feb 3 2014, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Feb 3 2014, 10:10 PM)
Why are you surprised ? I expect the price to go down. Just that I don't expect a 30-50% price crash like you. Just unrealistic. Unless there is a financial crisis that cause wide spread unemployment. Or interest rate hike that reach 10%. Yes, I am waiting for dead chicken  tongue.gif
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If crisis really on board. Based on the history on 2008. House will average drop ard 10 to 15%(price come bk after 6 to 8 mths). Basically will gv advantage to cash rich buyer.
Cash rich ppl will very fast to grap the good location.
Some owner really need fast money back especially bizman. So dun expect owner will gv buyer 3+1 mth to settle all amt.
For those buyer still need to get bank max loan..... Try ur luck .

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post Feb 3 2014, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 3 2014, 11:18 PM)
In 1997, property was a collateral damage of stock market. As the next economic crisis is leaded by property market, believe it is realistic to expect foreclosure price will drop to 2007/2008 level.
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Next crisis leaded by property ?. Wat u mean? The crisis becoz of property??
2007/2008 level shocking.gif shocking.gif . 50% to 60%
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post Feb 3 2014, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 3 2014, 11:36 PM)
In time of crisis or turbulence, it is not unrealistic for price to drop to pre-bull run level although briefly. If next crisis is not lead by property then by what?
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By USA share index, Dow j, Nasdaq and ftse 100.
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post Feb 4 2014, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 4 2014, 02:16 AM)
Care to elaborate why U.S and U.K stock price will collapse before KV property? If U.S and U.K stock price can have impact on KV property price and there are on record high, should kv property investor sell now or wait for price to collapse?
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In the first place, Y do think KV property will burst ? If becoz of crisis. Where is tis crisis come from?
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post Feb 4 2014, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 4 2014, 10:56 AM)
KV property is vulnerable to interest rate rise, and interest rate rise could be earlier and higher than expected.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-04/m...a-u-s-data.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-02/e...real-rates.html
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So, ur prediction is interest increase and a lot of ppl will fail to service the loan. The KV property busrt due to Malaysia internal issue instead of world or regional crisis. Correct me if I got wrong understanding.

Fine, I dun think KV property will busrt becoz of interest increase.
BNM will not simply implement any policy to drop down the housing price. Pls be reminded than property stamp duty is one of the main income for government. The policy only will slow down the transaction n price will still stagnant. U know impact to Malaysia if house price drop due to BNM policy.

The main purpose Interest increase to avoid ringgit continue depreciate, if world fund can continue to come in to Malaysia or stop pulling out from malaysia. Do u think kv property market will busrt?

Average holding power still strong in KV area. Of coz can deny some of ppl will fail to service the loan due to screw up financial planning but believe this is very minus and tis is due to personal planning.

That y I predict KV property only will burst becoz of word crisis n regional crisis instead of interest increase.

Pls refer back USA share, such as Dow j break record more than 50 times since 2008. How far can Dow j go?. 18000? Once USA share busrt due to investors loss confident to USA consumer index. I believe worldwide will facing crisis again including Malaysia. Maybe u will c klse drop to 600. Han seng index drop to 15000. After 6mths klse crash. Property price will start dropping but I dun think can drop till 50%. My personal prediction ard 10% to 15% sweat.gif sweat.gif

Anyway, some of ppl oso predict next crisis will crash in currency. Maybe ringgit sweat.gif sweat.gif .

Should KV investors sell the property now? Once meet expectation or got comfortable margin. Should consider let go.


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post Feb 4 2014, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Feb 4 2014, 12:47 PM)
All crisis r interlinked,  do u think the government will sacrifice all other business for the sake of saving property flipper ?  If price fall mean more transaction more stamp duty what ..lol

Property just a small fraction of our economy,  quite insignificant in fact, prior to 2009-2012 property craze, our economy is very resilient.

I don't see property price crash will result in economy crash, the only groups badly affected r those flippers & foreign labour,  probably u see less Indon & Bangla hanging around in Chow Kit & Masjid India ... lol
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Price drop does not mean got more transaction. Even more transaction doesn't mean government income from stamp duty will increase. U know the stamp duty calculation ?. Pls check first. Property more expensive, stamp duty % higher.

U dun see property price crash due to economy crisis?. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 4 2014, 01:00 PM)
Price drop does not mean got more transaction. Even more transaction doesn't mean government income from stamp duty will increase. U know the stamp duty calculation ?. Pls check first. Property more expensive, stamp duty % higher.

U dun see property price crash due to economy crisis?. rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

Property is small fraction ?. Lagi rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif


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QUOTE(Zres @ Feb 4 2014, 02:15 PM)
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go to check if property crash, how many industries will got affected....it may surprise u... wink.gif
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post Feb 4 2014, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Feb 4 2014, 01:54 PM)
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html

Tun has alway been accurate in Economy view point.
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Mr. M.... Wawasan 2020 haha. Lagi accuràte.

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QUOTE(kochin @ Feb 4 2014, 02:46 PM)
soros and proton?
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QUOTE(kartana @ Feb 4 2014, 02:20 PM)
Properties that VP this year will see negative cash flow. I think flippers with few millions of outstanding loan will be sensitive to interest hike. Pls watch the interest movement carefully. I think everyone already pricing an increase, but it is what is not expected that will get people surprised (magnitude and rate of increase). Just be prepared and always prepare for the unexpected.
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U assume all ppl oredy in hand to mouth situation. cry.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Feb 4 2014, 03:08 PM)
He successfully fence off Soros attack while creating Ten thousand of job through Proton.

U have problem with that ? Or u know nothing about it ?

What Property flipping create ? Hundred thousand of job opportunities for the foreign workers to sent back Billions to their home country.
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I only know got news said soros with him is good friend coz bnm lossing a lot of money and he force a lot of Malaysian only able to buy proton

Property flipping contribute income government n Malaysia economic.
The main thing is from 2008 till now create a lot of multi millionaire and some even can retire or work for passing time after tis cycle. tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(siberfriend @ Feb 4 2014, 03:12 PM)
if you are buying for own stay, please go ahead.
if you are buying for investment, please select good location.

ppl been talkin about ppty bubble for such a long time.
if it happen, ppty price would be adjusted +-15% based on history.

if it happen, do you have enough bullets to buy?!
if it happen, would you ask another question: would it go down further?

it is not the DDD group vs BBB group, it is WWW (wait wait wait) group vs BBB group...
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