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 Is the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2

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post Jan 30 2014, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(kradun @ Jan 30 2014, 04:33 PM)
Just notice 1 of our emerging friend turkey raise its opr from 3.5% to 8% t prevent its currency continue depreciate.
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Will tis happen in mal?? hmm.gif
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post Jan 30 2014, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 30 2014, 04:59 PM)
Realistically, how many people or company have the opportunity to buy prime land? Use prime land as example for average joe is irrelevant.
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Wrong, very relavent. U should think y tis group of ppl still buying land especially in prime area. In fact land price still increasing, no matter in prime area or outskirts.




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post Jan 30 2014, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 30 2014, 05:02 PM)
Guess you have missed recent news reports on sg property.
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Spore government implement 15% stamp duty charges to foreigner. Good policy to control housing price.

Malaysia government adakah? foreigner only allowed to purchase 1 mil n above property. Alamak. doh.gif

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post Jan 30 2014, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Jan 30 2014, 05:35 PM)
Foreigner RPGT for the 1st 5 years = 30%. 6th year onwards = 5%. Foreigner can only sell to foreigner.
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rclxms.gif rclxms.gif , 3 yrs construction, 2 collect rental then 6th yr sell. Pay 5% tax. Who rent? Malaysian.
Foreigner buy property in spore pay 15% duty stamp. Foreigner reconsider wat to buy or not. Dun buy then rent a house in spore. Rent from who? Sporean.


U c the diff between tis two governments policy?. tongue.gif tongue.gif

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post Jan 30 2014, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 30 2014, 05:39 PM)
As if land is never over priced, zero holding cost and immuned to demographic change.

What about less prime land?
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Buy the land which got potential can covert to residential title in future. If can do commercial is the best. Of coz individual impossible can afford for prime land. Look for outskirts area but do ur homework first.

To be frank, a very experience land investor told me one thing. Sell land never with the collect price. Land is limited n the price Oway increasing. Maybe can be overprice at tis moment. Once no more land or less land at the surrounding area. Over price will become cheaper price.
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post Jan 30 2014, 06:25 PM

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[quote=b00n,Jan 30 2014, 06:12 PM]
If you are not a long term foreigner staying in Malaysia, will you buy property if you have problem disposing it later? I.e. Foreigner can only sell the property to another foreigner.

But nonetheless this is Malaysia. So probably they will gamble with Malaysia government relaxing such criteria in the future.
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Only long term foreigner staying in MAL will house in MAL. U must be kidding.
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post Jan 30 2014, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 30 2014, 06:51 PM)
Guess the experienced land investor didn't tell; one need positive cash flow from else where to hold land and many lands need to hold for over 10 or even 30 years. With positive cash flow, there are many other investment options available.
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Lu Ada Tengok I punya post bo!? How many time I mentioned proper financial planning?? N no such big backside dun eat so much "lau sai" ubat.

Mabuk keh??
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post Jan 30 2014, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 30 2014, 07:27 PM)
Good one, I know a fellow hold a piece of land for 50 years (2 generations), finally able to sold it to developer,  KL land some more ...lol

Enjoy your reunion dinner lah, Cow Hyde tanglung can't shine one (牛皮灯笼点不明)  .. lol

Gong Xi Fa Cai everyone. .
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The fellow Ho say Liao. Must say terima kasih berkilo kilo to his grandpa.
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post Jan 30 2014, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 30 2014, 09:09 PM)
People that know financial planning will only invest their surplus/free cash on land.
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rclxms.gif rclxms.gif finally u know oso. Do the investment planning according to ur affordability first before move to further step.

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post Jan 31 2014, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(BTimes @ Jan 31 2014, 10:07 PM)
Not much land left.  Next plan is to reclaim land.  Indonesia has just restricted aggregates export to Singapore.  Reclaim land is going to be very expensive on psf basis as imports of sand and aggregates become challenging.  http://www.ura.gov.sg/uol/publications/res...ns-reports.aspx  Many are buying into Iskandar (mostly oil palm plantation land) as this happen.  That's all from me in this thread  yawn.gif
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Yup, really not much empty land in S'pore n Penang as well. For those got 1 acre land ( in average location) there without loan. Congrats at least u r multi millionaire

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post Feb 1 2014, 11:03 AM

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Should be fair for all of ppl to voice up the opinion. Anyway, all the points highlighted must be supported by reliable statement. This forum is good if we share out info, experience n sources. Final decision is depend on individual.
Really appreciated for those share info with the justified statement n experience

Dun just imagine n plug the figure from sky n ask for more info... The answer never come bk. tq

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post Feb 1 2014, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 1 2014, 11:43 AM)
still this issue.. tell us how much u want to sell then?? at least 550k not to suffer any loss in investment..
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550k? Wat do u mean ?
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post Feb 1 2014, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 1 2014, 12:00 PM)
the echo hill project right 450k launched.it will  finished on 2016? how much is the selling price? minimum 550k? right or not? minimal profit 50k on DSL... sure the so call owners want to sell ah?
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If not mistaken phase 1 dslh launch price is 408k with free SPA, mot n dibs. How much can sell once VP. I tot previously u said 650k.

If based ur statement now profit 50k. U know the ROI ??
They only paid 10% downpayment only. Mean 40k ++
So ROI ard 100%after 2 yrs or 50% per yr.
Still consider good. Do u hv any others investment better than Tis. Pls recommend.
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post Feb 1 2014, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 1 2014, 02:44 PM)
This time reli serious.. u also know..
DIBS is d tool for speculation.. by bringing back DIBS in backdoor further proof that many investors are working class.. and very low holding power.. for low or middle class flippers.. selling upon VP is the only way and not a choice like high flippers..

No matter how u justified.. the prop price has go beyond.. the market u previously targetting (low income.. middle.. upper middle income) has shrink to ( middle income and high end in which by 2015 the middle income grooup will totally be elimated leaving upper middle) those rich  already are you guys.. agents are middle class too ya..

the affordability issue cuts deep.. even a fallback plan like takingvrent will lock your credit ...dat is also anothet stop to fresh soeculations

hey that increase issue I have address greatly 750k exsmple .. u are making a lost for long term holding despite increase..
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1997-Tis time is serious
2008-Tis time is serious
Now - Tis time is serious

Every time oso serious. Market up n down. Who can predict more accurate. He can make more money. U predict 750k is impossible. Some predict crisis only will come after reach 1mil.

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 1 2014, 03:22 PM)
1997 not serious mehh? Bukit beruntung wor..

now very good meh.. seen phonomena of SOLD but VACANT through any cycles?
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Every time oso got ppl said serious lar
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post Feb 2 2014, 12:53 PM

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Just listened to melody fm radio news regarding property in MAL. Foreseen second half of the yr demand will be better due to market need some time ( first half of yr) to absorb government policy. Foreseen house price won't drop due to average holding power of buyers still very strong in the market. Wat do you think?

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post Feb 2 2014, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Feb 2 2014, 01:26 PM)
Second half will see.

Negative.
Increase in unemployment
increase in interest rate
Weaker RM meaning ppl lost confidence on msia
More foreign fund ship out money from malaysia.
China market worsen
Neighbour Sg n Thailand economy worst.
More Units VP . More empty/ less attractive rental yield
More consumer money spend on petrol n food tnb n less money spen for investment
why 1st buyer buy overprice in market if govt Pr1ma is more resonable price n better entry price?
More auction units in the market for not so strong holding power.
weak prime minister only care about kankung price resulted political unstable like 'allah issues'
so many good vounrer  klse counter very cheap..better goreng klse
Positive
Cost push construction cost. Eg all illegal bangla in jail
ppl absorb n use to govt new policy.
petrol subsidy will drop.tol wilk increase so price of property sure increase
i am DDD..... so i can only think more negative than positive on property investment in 2014 2nd half
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More negative. So wat is the impact u predict ? Demand ? price ? Up ? Down or stagnant?
The radio news is demand slow, price won't drop coz average holding power still very strong.
So, will u let go property with cut margin or hold property till meet ur expectation price ?



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QUOTE(tikaram @ Feb 2 2014, 03:04 PM)
I am DDD ma.  So 2nd half u know la.

As long as ppl still drive  n eat banana... i will not cut margin.

if klse ytlpower pbb gamuda topgrove reit drop too much and many opportunity there. I will cut margin and shift my investment to klse
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Shift to Klse hmm. Little bit diff with me. I won't shift to share so fast. In property will shift to land n will keep some cash for share. Coz i predict crisis will from USA share. Ringgit will further depreciation. Need to diversify.

Add - USA share crisis or other world crisis will cause MAL house price drop instead of MAL internal market affordability. Coz I oso predict average holding power still strong. My personal opinion only

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post Feb 2 2014, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Feb 2 2014, 03:49 PM)
Klse have lots of opportunity during crisis....

many retire uncle n auntie sapu alot during crisis with cash.

capital gain tax free and liquid. smile.gif
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Yup
Anyway I still believe USA is taikor. If Dow j drop like crazy. So is good time to shift fund to Klse
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QUOTE(frederic9 @ Feb 2 2014, 09:04 PM)
Nobody (except those with vested interest) uses property as a HEDGE to inflation, gold is used as hedge, as gold have FIXED value everywhere. Your property only has discretionary value.

Even that, gold prices goes up & down, sometimes even against the expected inflation outcome.
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Nobody ?. I dun think so. A lot of cash rich ppl willing to do tis. Only thing how many % of cash flow will allocated to property especially land, how % in share, how% in commodity n how % in cash.

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