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 Is the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2

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Rabel
post Feb 10 2014, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Feb 10 2014, 07:46 PM)
Applying same logic as yours, those who invested more in 2012 and 2013 also had invested in 2009 and 2010 or even earlier  tongue.gif
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post Feb 10 2014, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 10 2014, 11:30 PM)
Before bnm clamp down, believe similar scenario was fairly rampant among flippers.
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The calculaton oredy wrong. How can tis guy get 500k ++ loan in second property. Any banker here can confirm?..

Nett income 4976
First property installment 1941
Rental collection 1500

Nett nett income 4535*30% = 1360. ( estimate loan monthly installment can be approved.


How can tis get bank loan with monthly installment 2591??

Anyway, any loan bank officer can confirm ?..

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post Feb 10 2014, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(KChan @ Feb 10 2014, 11:53 PM)
First loan is 90% of purchase price of 450,000 which comes to loan amount of RM 405,000. For that monthly instalment refer to the amortization schedule at http://www.amortization-calc.com/#loan-405...35-4.6-1-2014-2

Second loan is RM 540,594 which the instalment can be seen here --> http://www.amortization-calc.com/#loan-540...35-4.6-1-2014-2
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Are u loan officer ?.

No lar, I think wrong calculation. Based on data, monthly installment is 57% of nett salary. Tis is impossible.
Bank only will tk 30%
For self employed, only 20%

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post Feb 11 2014, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 10 2014, 11:58 PM)
You are unaware of this trick? Means you don't have many flipper friends or they didn't share their "secret of the trade" with you.

If this is not a sub-prime, what is?
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If they really do tis kind of thing. The is their problem oredy. Out of affordability.
Anyway, I am interested to know which bank can approve housing loan based on 57% of nett monthly income.
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(KChan @ Feb 11 2014, 12:03 AM)
Nope. But feel free to check with your banker on the instalment amount. Anyway  that is based on 70% DSR of nett income. And one caveat I forget to mentioned is that if the 70% DSR is what bank practise. The 70% is based on few sources that I read and some mortgage officer that told me.
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I think no, I dual with bank so many times. Impossible is 70%
Should 30% of nett salary. Anyway, u can check with ur banker.
If really got. Pls pm me the bank officer. I got big biz to him/her. Tq
If on, can gv u commission

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post Feb 11 2014, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(sampool @ Feb 11 2014, 12:04 AM)
the calculation is wrong.. because bank only borrow money if provided the first property is inflated lets said from 200k to 400k in market value base on bank evaluation. because if the flipper unable to pay the loan.. bank can lelong the 2nd house with value [540k - (30% x 540k) ] = 378k and then 1st house... actually the flipper already sell the 2nd house before bank lelong it. in another word, we call it refinancing the 1st inflated property to buy the 2nd property and no base on rental income in 1st propery. rental is just supporting income for the payment capability.
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Agreed. Watever bank approve the housing. Sure got a base line.
To be frank, bank lagi takut owner bankrupt.
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(KChan @ Feb 11 2014, 12:12 AM)
No point c tis one. Check with bank loan officer. If they can do. Let me know.
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 11 2014, 12:14 AM)
BBW can tell banks file bankruptcy by the dozens every week, unless one owe the bank over a few hundred millions, why bank takut owner bankrupt?
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U know bottom line bank only wat to get bk the loan amt if u fail to pay installment.?.
If the guy got money but dun wat pay bank n declare bankrupt
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(sampool @ Feb 11 2014, 12:18 AM)
now ah.. before bank files bankrupcy.. the person adi jump from top floor to grd floor liao lo. dun play play wo they r so many ppl monitor that person... u never know what backgrod is it lo.  hmm.gif
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Right. Bankrupt does not mean no money.
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(KChan @ Feb 11 2014, 12:19 AM)
Yes I did check. In fact I just refinance one of my property up to the maximum of my 70% DSR just late last year.

I also realised when market is not good, bank is very cautious in lending. Besides that with the 10 years refinance limit, then sure blow the DSR if do the refinance this year. So I decided to refinance to the maximum of my DSR and keeping the cash on standby. And also waiting for dead chicken if there is any to pick.  drool.gif
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Wait. Go bk to ur calculation just now. Dun talk refinance.
Really banker can do ?.
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(KChan @ Feb 11 2014, 12:25 AM)
Yes for up till last year around Oct. This year I don't know if that is still possible.
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Can u pm me the bank officer contact. Got biz to him/ her
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 11 2014, 12:30 AM)
bankruptcy is not the end of the world ... besides having rm500 .. and cannot have the following:

1) bank accounts
2) members of parliament or state assemblyman
3)professionals doctors & lawyers ( those not within these are not)
4)cannot travel out
5)cannot flip
6) ppl will Shaun away
7) no loans and car
8) no rights to sue

and etc .. other than that still live as a free man... if you bankrupt at age 30.. u got a chance to discharge when you are at the verge of death.. it is sad...
but bank as object wor...

well credit card hmm i heard 30,800.00 bankrupt lor...
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U really dun the market situation only pandai talk east talk west. If u dun pay bank loan and can retire at age of 30. Will u consider to declare bankrupt ?.
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(KChan @ Feb 11 2014, 12:31 AM)
Erm... I don't think that's a good idea. Since I revealed quite a lot on this forum, I don't want to get anyone into trouble if someone go report him/her. Just go and check with your loan officer and perhaps try a few banks. Tell them you want to take loan and ask them the method I describe earlier and ask them if they can do. I'm sure they would be very happy to "assist" you. The bigger the loan, the better for them as well. Their commission is a percentage of your loan amount.
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 11 2014, 12:34 AM)
rabel got this desperate meh? need cash BUY property ah? dude kc chan.. you are quite near FSAMA violation i guess... very jialat one.. that bank officer keep good time for maximization of cash for dead chicken
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Kawan, that y I said u still young n lack of experience
U know if tis guy can do. Really can make a lot of money from tis.

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 11 2014, 12:37 AM)
ya youngster manayak bankrupt...  quite number of it related to housing prop and poor management of money..

cash advance to pay housing loan.. which agent teach them? convince them sure can flip..
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Haha, can not deny some bankruptcy is really bankruptcy. Some declared bankrupt, u work whole life oso no such money.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 11 2014, 12:37 AM)
ya youngster manayak bankrupt...  quite number of it related to housing prop and poor management of money..

cash advance to pay housing loan.. which agent teach them? convince them sure can flip..

step on the reality... owayls living in inflated life, inflated house, inflated money.. get to to the grounds.. work not the end of the world... this capitalist system still 60% percent worker..

today u rich maybe tomorrow change back to worker lor.. some worker also promoted to rich maa... working class not bad wat... i also working class
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 11 2014, 12:41 AM)
one time economy come gao gao.. hoh seh liao... jatuh dan mati katak..
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Economy good. U pun oredy half mati.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 11 2014, 12:45 AM)
u guys lor investing maa.. dat y sipeh jilat... middle class also no use...
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At least investor got money invest mah. Lu want invest oso bo
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QUOTE(KChan @ Feb 11 2014, 12:46 AM)
Yeah I know. So perhaps I shall stop commenting. Anyway I think this year all banks will start to be "more" strict lar.
Rich? Please la. This is double edge sword. It can make you very rich but can kill you as well. You have to be very prudent and have good financial management. It's a very high risk and you have to look carefully lar. If market dive a little, die straight.

That's why I've been saying. This past few years, there is a lot loan easy approval for the property speculation market. And in my own personal opinion, I don't see the fundamentals that can continue to support the market growth any more. Most of the new launches these 2 years have been out of reach for the majority of the working class.
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The mean ur banker oso can not do oredy lor. No choice lor.
I really got lobang to tis if ur banker can do. Coz house loan interest really low compare to personal loan.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 11 2014, 12:47 AM)
Wow, something new to learn, can teach? Don't mind to pay you %.
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U know got malaysian ppl declared bankrupt in malaysia but still can drive big car big house in china n Indonesia ?.
Some more can come bk though KLIA.
WHO? My friend lor. He bankruptcy before 30.

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