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KYPMbangi
post Feb 21 2014, 12:32 AM

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I dunno what mudin is saying, but he's better prove it

At least start with ngpv missile upgrade!
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post Feb 21 2014, 03:31 AM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Feb 20 2014, 04:36 PM)
but by the time they received all their equipment, we might on a buying spree, Pak-Fa, DDGs and whatnot  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
K9, dgn NK pun kenot target NK's arty positions...
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By the time the south counter battery, 3 hours or so have passed

Simple to say, south didnt expect north to react such a way and it took awhile for the top brass to decide next actions
Plus, north is fortified artillery position and there no way to get news if they are hit hard or not. It north korea, their great leader is most important laugh.gif

Well, sarcastically ours took a month before those sulu declared as terrorist whistling.gif

QUOTE(hafizushi @ Feb 20 2014, 11:22 PM)
i like this PzH 2000

i think the army should try look at this if want to buy spg
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Yup, also look nice. but german engineering banyak complex

Not sure about military hardware,
But german equipment alot precision parts and that replacement is difficult since most of its are custom made

Since indonesia have k9, maybe we will get pzh2000

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post Feb 21 2014, 03:37 AM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Feb 21 2014, 12:26 AM)
Kt malaysia x de dataran lebar camtu....dataran merdeka pun 2 lorong je
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Guna PLUS highway buat display tongue.gif
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post Feb 21 2014, 03:42 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 21 2014, 03:31 AM)

Yup, also look nice. but german engineering banyak complex
Since indonesia have k9, maybe we will get pzh2000
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Strange thing is all these sph, K9, PZH2000 and Caesar have gone thru terrain test in msia
Maybe it's high time to pick something

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post Feb 21 2014, 04:00 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Feb 21 2014, 03:42 AM)
Strange thing is all these sph, K9, PZH2000 and Caesar have gone thru terrain test in msia
Maybe it's high time to pick something
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i like tracked because it offer some better protection to the crews in case of any shell fragmentation and overall small arms protection
wheeled well, u gain mobility and flexibility but reduced protection laugh.gif Sory boys, for me wheeled look like a lory hantu with guns welded on the back tongue.gif

I think evaluations completed since it was like ages ago when they tested those vehicles but dunno which one army will choose.
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post Feb 21 2014, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 21 2014, 03:31 AM)
By the time the south counter battery, 3 hours or so have passed

Simple to say, south didnt expect north to react such a way and it took awhile for the top brass to decide next actions
Plus, north is fortified artillery position and there no way to get news if they are hit hard or not. It north korea, their great leader is most important laugh.gif

Well, sarcastically ours took a month before those sulu declared as terrorist whistling.gif 
Yup, also look nice. but german engineering banyak complex

Not sure about military hardware,
But german equipment alot precision parts and that replacement is difficult since most of its are custom made

Since indonesia have k9, maybe we will get pzh2000
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Indonesia did not by any K9 but bought 37 unit Caesar SPH. The Caesars was chosen as it can fit into a Herc. First batch of delivery scheduled this year.

Nexter Systems receives an order for 37 Caesar 155mm self-propelled howitzers from Indonesia

Besides the Caesar, Indonesia also ordered 36 unit Astros II MK.6 MLRS. First batch of delivery scheduled also this year.

lndonesia Ordered 36 Astros II Rocket Systems

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post Feb 21 2014, 10:03 AM

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Palace OKs payment scheme for S. Korean fighter jets

By Alexis Romero (The Philippine Star) | Updated February 21, 2014 - 12:00am

MANILA, Philippines - Malacañang has approved the payment scheme for the purchase of 12 lead-in fighter trainer jets from South Korea, taking the deal to acquire the air assets a step closer to completion.

The defense department has been allowed to make an advance payment of 15 percent of the total contract price to South Korean firm Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI).

The project has an approved budget of P18.9 billion and is one of the big-ticket items in the military’s upgrade program.

Malacañang has also granted the defense department’s request to tap a progress payment scheme, wherein the government will pay the supplier on a mutually-agreed upon schedule.

The approval of the payment scheme was contained in a memorandum signed by Executive Secretary Paquito Ochoa Jr. on Feb. 13.

Defense Undersecretary Fernando Manalo confirmed the approval of the payment scheme for the multibillion-peso project.
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Sources told The STAR the defense department is seeking to complete the negotiations with KAI within the week. Officials are now preparing a contract on the payment scheme.

The government is planning to spend P18.9 billion for the jets to boost the country’s territorial defense capabilities.

It will also spend P135.99 million for the basing support systems of the jets.

KAI initially wanted 52 percent down payment to cover manufacturing costs, but it dropped the payment scheme and agreed to a progressive payment.

Under the new scheme, the government would deliver payments upon completion of certain “milestones” or progress related to the construction of the jets.

Earlier, Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said the delivery of the jets could start in June 2015.

Another issue that was settled was the turnaround time, the period required for the delivery of the jets’ spare parts under a two-year warranty.

It usually lasts 30 to 45 days but KAI initially wanted it prolonged it to 180 days. Both parties have agreed to 60 days.


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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 21 2014, 04:00 AM)
i like tracked because it offer some better protection to the crews in case of any shell fragmentation and overall small arms protection
wheeled well, u gain mobility and flexibility but reduced protection laugh.gif  Sory boys, for me wheeled look like a lory hantu with guns welded on the back tongue.gif

I think evaluations completed since it was like ages ago when they tested those vehicles but dunno which one army will choose.
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Depend on strategy use.
from my point of view wheeled best suited for fast hit and run, ambush enemy front lines.
Best use in behind the defensive lines as risk exposure being attack is at lowest.
so there is no point to have heavy armor for protection.
I like archer sph the most.
as for tracked it would be good at offensive operations in fire support.
Heavier armor will help to survives from enemy ambush in enemy territories.

if I have to choose I would go for archer sph.
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QUOTE(azriel @ Feb 21 2014, 09:44 AM)
Indonesia did not by any K9 but bought 37 unit Caesar SPH. The Caesars was chosen as it can fit into a Herc. First batch of delivery scheduled this year.

Nexter Systems receives an order for 37 Caesar 155mm self-propelled howitzers from Indonesia

Besides the Caesar, Indonesia also ordered 36 unit Astros II MK.6 MLRS. First batch of delivery scheduled also this year.

lndonesia Ordered 36 Astros II Rocket Systems
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The it leave it a few choices already Pzh2000 or K9, if malaysia were to follow not to buy similar equipments with their neighbors

QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 21 2014, 10:34 AM)
Depend on strategy use.
from my point of view wheeled best suited for fast hit and run, ambush enemy front lines.
Best use in behind the defensive lines as risk exposure being attack is at lowest.
so there is no point to have heavy armor for protection.
I like archer sph the most.
as for tracked it would be good at offensive operations in fire support.
Heavier armor will help to survives from enemy ambush in enemy territories.

if I have to choose I would go for archer sph.
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But also the most expensive iinm sweat.gif
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2 Year more to order F/A-18 production going to End in 2016 if no new order.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/...eement/5627137/

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Feb 21 2014, 12:26 AM)
Kt malaysia x de dataran lebar camtu....dataran merdeka pun 2 lorong je
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How about Putrajaya?? outside PM office there is a large roundabout

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 21 2014, 10:46 AM)
The it leave it a few choices already Pzh2000 or K9, if malaysia were to follow not to buy similar equipments with their neighbors
But also the most expensive iinm sweat.gif
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Archer is having problem.
norway recently withdraw from the project.
It would be gooding if we enter into the project as well making our own guided round as well.
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post Feb 21 2014, 11:21 AM

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dari segi long-term cost, K9 is the better bet, since Pzh2000 is German-made, have a more complex system and more expensive spare-parts..


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post Feb 21 2014, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 21 2014, 11:19 AM)
Archer is having problem.
norway recently withdraw from the project.
It would be gooding if we enter into the project as well making our own guided round as well.
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I think the army would rather have a ready product then wait for it develop again smile.gif SPH procurement was long overdue for malaysia

K9 there seem to have a few problem as well. Some korean forum discuss that their auto loader is not as fast as advertised
Officially pzh2000 9 rounds while K9 6 rounds perminute although K9 is 10ton lighter

Some local journalist mention we might get second hand unit of pzh2000 from dutch army if the deal went through, dunno true or not smile.gif

QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Feb 21 2014, 11:21 AM)
dari segi long-term cost, K9 is the better bet, since Pzh2000 is German-made, have a more complex system and more expensive spare-parts..
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K9 maybe can come with some deal on dokdo class ldp whistling.gif since both are korean made

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 21 2014, 10:46 AM)
The it leave it a few choices already Pzh2000 or K9, if malaysia were to follow not to buy similar equipments with their neighbors
But also the most expensive iinm sweat.gif
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our AV8 should can develop to mount 120~155mm gun....

also got china 1....

SH2-120mm wheeled self-propelled, easy carry by A400M。

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also, PLZ05

155-mm self-propelled howitzer

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post Feb 21 2014, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 21 2014, 11:31 AM)
K9 maybe can come with some deal on dokdo class ldp whistling.gif  since both are korean made
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i think it would be the other way around, buy Dokdo with K9 package tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

QUOTE(waja2000 @ Feb 21 2014, 11:34 AM)
also, PLZ05

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China one looks good, why we no buy them? Dun say about quality, dun think PLA wants sub-standard equipments in their arsenal..
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Feb 21 2014, 11:21 AM)
dari segi long-term cost, K9 is the better bet, since Pzh2000 is German-made, have a more complex system and more expensive spare-parts..
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Kalau k9 bagi full tot boleh lar.
Yang saya risau ialah k9 dan pzh2000 terlebih berat.

QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 21 2014, 11:31 AM)
I think the army would rather have a ready product then wait for it develop again  smile.gif  SPH procurement was long overdue for malaysia

K9 there seem to have a few problem as well. Some korean forum discuss that their auto loader is not as fast as advertised
Officially pzh2000 9 rounds while K9 6 rounds perminute although K9 is 10ton lighter

Some local journalist mention we might get second hand unit of pzh2000 from dutch army if the deal went through, dunno true or not smile.gif
K9 maybe can come with some deal on dokdo class ldp whistling.gif  since both are korean made
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Archer start delivering dec last years so no problem.
We can go for enhance development.

German still got surplus sph.
crotia did get the deal done at usd35 for 2nd hand pzh2000.
Not sure if we being offer such deals.
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Feb 21 2014, 11:55 AM)
i think it would be the other way around, buy Dokdo with K9 package  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
China one looks good, why we no buy them? Dun say about quality, dun think PLA wants sub-standard equipments in their arsenal..
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China?
I dun mind if they bagi full tot dari a-z.
kalau tak tak payah lah.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 21 2014, 11:57 AM)
China?
I dun mind if they bagi full tot dari a-z.
kalau tak tak payah lah.
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rasa yer boleh dapat full ToT ni utk sph China tu, kalau cost cantek, can get them at higher quantity
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Feb 21 2014, 11:59 AM)
rasa yer boleh dapat full ToT ni utk sph China tu, kalau cost cantek, can get them at higher quantity
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My concern is the tech.
How good was it?
I want nice targeting system and fcs like the archer sph.
And also good guided round as well.
kalau ada ambik je.

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