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post Jan 27 2014, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Jan 27 2014, 06:22 PM)
u tgk la sapa kita punya defence minister

dia masuk jer, apa pun slow, apa pun hancur  sad.gif
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haiyaa..susah2 position as defence minister tuh reserve untuk jeneral tentera yg appointed by MKN je la..tak payah kasi kat regular politician.. doh.gif
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post Jan 27 2014, 06:43 PM

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Looks like TNI-AU likely to choose the Sukhoi Su-35 for the F-5 Tiger replacement.

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Senin, 27 Januari 2014 | 12:40 WIB

TNI Angkatan Udara Pilih Sukhoi Gantikan F-5 Tiger

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - Pesawat tempur F-5 Tiger milik TNI Angkatan Udara akan memasuki masa pensiun dan segera dikandangkan tahun ini. Meski begitu, TNI Angkatan Udara maupun Kementerian Pertahanan belum memutuskan pesawat pengganti Tiger. Kepala Staf Angkatan Udara Marsekal Ida Bagus Putu Dunia mengatakan baru membuat kajian soal opsi-opsi pesawat pengganti.

"Kajian tersebut sudah saya kirim ke Menteri Pertahanan dan Markas Besar TNI. Nanti akan diputuskan di sana," kata Putu Dunia kepada wartawan di Markas Besar TNI Angkatan Udara, Cilangkap, Jakarta Timur, Senin, 27 Januari 2014.

Dalam kajian tersebut, TNI Angkatan Udara merekomendasikan sejumlah pesawat tempur canggih pengganti F-5 Tiger. Antara lain pesawat tempur Sukhoi SU-35 buatan Rusia, F-16 Fighting Falcon di atas blok 24 buatan Amerika Serikat, F-15 Strike Eagle buatan Amerika Serikat, atau SAAB Gripen buatan Swedia.

TNI Angkatan Udara juga membuat peringkat dari pesawat-pesawat tersebut sesuai kebutuhan mereka. Pada urutan pertama adalah Sukhoi SU-35, disusul SAAB Gripen, dan terakhir adalah F-15 Strike Eagle. Dengan kata lain, pesawat tempur bikinan Rusia menjadi pilihan utama pengganti F-5 Tiger.

Menurut Putu, ketiga pesawat pengganti itu dipilih karena daya tangkal yang mumpuni, khususnya terhadap negara-negara tetangga. "Termasuk faktor persenjataan, perawatan, dan banyak faktor lain," kata dia.

Putu menginginkan pemerintah segera membeli pesawat tempur pengganti F-5 Tiger pada periode 2015-2019. Idealnya, kebutuhan TNI Angkatan Udara sebanyak 16 unit atau satu skuadron. "Tapi kami kembalikan pada kemampuan keuangan negara," kata dia.

Sebelumnya, Panglima TNI Jenderal Moeldoko menginginkan Sukhoi SU-35 sebagai pengganti F-5 Tiger. Menurut dia, pesawat buatan Rusia itu punya efek gentar yang tinggi di kawasan Asia Tenggara dan Pasifik. Sedangkan Menteri Pertahanan Purnomo Yusgiantoro ingin Angkatan Udara punya pesawat tempur canggih yang mampu menggendong rudal jarak jauh, seperti Brahmos buatan India.

INDRA WIJAYA


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post Jan 27 2014, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jan 27 2014, 06:27 PM)
haiyaa..susah2 position as defence minister tuh reserve untuk jeneral tentera yg appointed by MKN je la..tak payah kasi kat regular politician..  doh.gif
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Still money control by kewangan... so cant do much. Uniform aku lusuh nk ganti cukup susah...PLKN every intake ade je baju baru.
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post Jan 27 2014, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jan 27 2014, 06:43 PM)
Looks like TNI-AU likely to choose the Sukhoi Su-35 for the F-5 Tiger replacement.

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Misleading title, from the article there is no mention of su-35 is chosen, its only the current favourite.

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. Pada urutan pertama adalah Sukhoi SU-35, disusul SAAB Gripen, dan terakhir adalah F-15 Strike Eagle. Dengan kata lain, pesawat tempur bikinan Rusia menjadi pilihan utama pengganti F-5 Tiger.


edit:fuuuggg. Didnt see the likely

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post Jan 27 2014, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(lulz @ Jan 27 2014, 06:56 PM)
Misleading title, from the article there is no mention of su-35 is chosen, its only the current favourite.
edit:fuuuggg. Didnt see the likely
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That's why i wrote "likely", but it is just a matter of time for TNI-AU to finally choose the Su-35. TNI-AU Chief have sent in his recommendation to the Defence Minister & TNI Headquarter with the number 1 choice is the Su-35 followed by Saab Gripen E/F in second. Besides that the TNI Chief wants the Su-35 & although he did not mentioned the type but the Indonesian Defence Minister also wants an aircraft that could carry the Brahmos missiles.

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post Jan 27 2014, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jan 27 2014, 07:27 PM)
haiyaa..susah2 position as defence minister tuh reserve untuk jeneral tentera yg appointed by MKN je la..tak payah kasi kat regular politician..  doh.gif
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minister post must be civilian to maintain civilian control of the military

dun wan junta to take over like the neighbor do
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 27 2014, 08:35 PM)
minister post must be civilian to maintain civilian control of the military

dun wan junta to take over like the neighbor do
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yes i see the purpose..but what to do if the civilian who become the minister doesn't really voice out the military opinions and requests to the parliament? sad.gif
pity to the soldiers like LTZ dun get new uniform..hehe laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jan 27 2014, 09:43 PM)
yes i see the purpose..but what to do if the civilian who become the minister doesn't really voice out the military opinions and requests to the parliament?  sad.gif
pity to the soldiers like LTZ dun get new uniform..hehe  laugh.gif
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hence the bureaucracy in the command structure. bureaucracy sound like a bad word but you don't expect him to go to wisma kementah ketuk pejabat Mr Hisham mintak baju baru kan? even in the army the new digital urban delta 3L337 camo will be issued by phases. wait till the old uniform is really write off then give him something new.
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post Jan 27 2014, 08:56 PM

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Indonesian Navy receives 37 Russian amphibious tanks

Monday, 27 January 2014, 19:42 WIB

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An Indonesian navy and Russian technicians have a discussion while Russian amphibious tanks park in the background in Situbondo, East Java, on Monday, Jan. 27, 2014.

REPUBLIKA.CO.ID, JAKARTA - Russia handed over 37 amphibious tanks to Indonesian Navy. Indonesian Minister of Defence Purnomo Yusgiantoro received the tanks at Karang Tekok Marine Combat Training Center, Situbondo, East Java, on Monday.

Army chief Gen Moeldoko, Navy chief Admiral Marsetio, Marine Corps Commandant Maj Gen A Faridz Washington and Russian Embassy officials were also present during the ceremony. BMP-3F vehicles were produced by weapon manufacturer, Kurganmashzavod, after Ministries of Defense from both countries signed purchasing agreement. Russia handed 17 BMP-3F tanks on December 11, 2011.

"We must modernize our weapons, including tanks," Army chief Gen Moeldoko said on Monday.

Moeldoko said that the adequate defense equipment was part of self esteem building for soldiers. Using old weapons would only degrade their fighting spirit.


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post Jan 27 2014, 09:21 PM

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indonesia really spent a lot. acquired more military stuffs. who are they trying to invade?
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indonesia really spent a lot. acquired more military stuffs. who are they trying to invade?
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post Jan 27 2014, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(acam2812 @ Jan 27 2014, 08:21 PM)
indonesia really spent a lot. acquired more military stuffs. who are they trying to invade?
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It's not a matter of planning an invasion or not. Right now they're receiving pressure not just from China like we are. They're also having pressure from the Aussies.
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jan 27 2014, 08:43 PM)
yes i see the purpose..but what to do if the civilian who become the minister doesn't really voice out the military opinions and requests to the parliament?  sad.gif
pity to the soldiers like LTZ dun get new uniform..hehe  laugh.gif
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MoF is the problem here. Read somewhere that TUDM wanted Super Hornet but MoF force them to take su-30, despite the added cost of customizing stock Suks to MKM spec.
Same case with 50M spent on equipment fire department don't want.

having kerismudin as head just make it worse.
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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Jan 27 2014, 09:24 PM)
MoF is the problem here. Read somewhere that TUDM wanted Super Hornet but MoF force them to take su-30, despite the added cost of customizing stock Suks to MKM spec.
Same case with 50M spent on equipment fire department don't want.

having kerismudin as head just make it worse.
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Same goes to Laksamana class corvette, inderapura, AUG styer... sedar2 je kena pi amik bawak balik
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Why China Wants the Su-35
By Peter Wood | 10 October 2013 Thursday | 04:19 PM

The image below demonstrates the comparative ranges (two way) of Su-27s (thick yellow lines), Su-35s flying on internal fuel (thick red lines) and Su-35s with two drop tanks (thin red lines) flying from two major air bases in China. Note: All distances are estimated combat radii.

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http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=...bd#.UmVxYqNhiK0
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post Jan 28 2014, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Jan 27 2014, 09:24 PM)
MoF is the problem here. Read somewhere that TUDM wanted Super Hornet but MoF force them to take su-30, despite the added cost of customizing stock Suks to MKM spec.
Same case with 50M spent on equipment fire department don't want.

having kerismudin as head just make it worse.
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Pendekar is also not what army want wasn't it? sad.gif
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jan 28 2014, 01:11 AM)
Pendekar is also not what army want wasn't it?  sad.gif
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I think the pendekar is the one deal that kompromi with our demand,
I know if S.korea's K2 we must order like a 100 unit, dunno about the T-90 though
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Indonesian Air Force Shortlists Jet Fighters

27 Jan 2014 20:58:41| News in English | Penulis : Supervisor

Jakarta (Antara) - The Indonesian Air Force (TNI AU) has yet to make a decision on the jet fighter that will reportedly replace the outdated F-5 Tiger jet fighter.

"We studied several types of jet planes to find the right jet fighter to replace the F-5 Tiger. We have submitted the study results to Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro and the Indonesian Military Headquarters," Chief of Staff of TNI AU Marshall Ida Bagus Putu Dunia said here on Monday.

Marshall¿s statement came after the TNI AU Officers Meeting and Task Commanders Assembly was opened in the TNI AU Headquarters in Cilangkap Sub-district, E Jakarta.

The Chief said TNI AU has recommended several modern aircraft to the Ministry such as the Sukhoi Su-35 of Russia, the F-16 Fighting Falcon and the F-15 Strike Eagle of the USA and the Swedish SAAB JAS 39 Gripen.

The Chief said the TNI AU has ranked the shortlisted jet planes. "The Sukhoi Su-35 is ranked first, followed by the SAAB JAS 39 Gripen and the F-15 Strike Eagle," stated Ida.

He said the three planes were shortlisted for their proven deterrent power including weaponry, maintenance and maneuvrability.

The TNI AU hopes that the government will purchase the fighter aircraft immediately for the 2015-2019 period to replace the F-5 Tiger.

The Chief said the TNI AU needs at least a squadron or 16 units of the new jet fighters to guard Indonesian airspace.

"However, the purchase depends on the state budget," Marshall added. (*)


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Netherlands Leopard Tank brake test. shocking.gif


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QUOTE(azriel @ Jan 28 2014, 08:49 AM)
Netherlands Leopard Tank brake test.  shocking.gif
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i will shat brix... shocking.gif

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