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post Apr 23 2014, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 23 2014, 03:58 PM)
Searams is probably one of the best ciws.
Searams combo with 57mm 3p rounds should provide a very good lines of defense for the ship.
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But with Millenium, we have the option of using AHEAD ammunition.
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post Apr 23 2014, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 23 2014, 04:13 PM)
at the end lowyat fans hope on gowind lcs

ciws searam = x
codag = x
essm = x
NSM = x
16+ vls = maybe no.
long range radar = x
= usd 4.7b

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Are you sure the price tags usd4.7bil.
As I heard government trying to put it lower from usd2.7bil to a modest usd2.4bil.
they even cancel out uav and back away from essm and nsm as it could cost them over usd3bil.

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Apr 23 2014, 04:15 PM)
But with Millenium, we have the option of using AHEAD ammunition.
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Yes if we have the money for it then go for it as well.
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post Apr 23 2014, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(bai1101 @ Apr 23 2014, 02:39 PM)
Can request 250mm or

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real life version.


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post Apr 23 2014, 04:28 PM

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AH-1Z Viper
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$31mil

TAI/AgustaWestland T129
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$23mil
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post Apr 23 2014, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Apr 23 2014, 04:28 PM)
AH-1Z Viper

$31mil

TAI/AgustaWestland T129

$23mil
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$31 mil is us price, export price much expensive, should be round 40+- mil each. still cheaper to Tiger.

$ 23mil is T129-A version, only limited combat funtion and limited weapon and missile. T129-B version is multirole version which more electronic/warfare feature, support AAM, more weapon missle, JDAM etc.. T129-B not yet complete testing. estimated over 30mil for T129B.


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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 23 2014, 04:21 PM)
Are you sure the price tags usd4.7bil.
As I heard government trying to put it lower from usd2.7bil to a modest usd2.4bil.
they even cancel out uav and back away from essm and nsm as it could cost them over usd3bil.
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very sure.... which current spec i happy if price $ 2.7 bil or event 3.0 bil, if is true.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 23 2014, 04:59 PM)
very sure.... which current spec i happy if price $ 2.7 bil or event 3.0 bil,  if is true.
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Any source? You better check again and again.
as I have never heard of the 4.7bil not once.

As far as I heard it have been capped at usd2.8bil.
And now the whole project cost are estimated around usd2.4bil to usd 2.7bil.
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DSA 2014: DSME reveals missile corvette proposal for Malaysian Navy

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South Korea's Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) showcased its proposal for a missile surface corvette (MSC) for the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) at DSA 2014.

Junho (Bruno) Joung of DSME's Naval and Special Ship Marketing Team, told IHS Jane's on 15 April that the model is being presented to the RMN in response to its request for information to replace at least three platforms with new corvettes.

The proposed vessel has a length of 85.5 m, a beam of 12.9 m and displaces 1,800 tonnes at full load. The corvette can reach a top speed of in excess of 25 kt.

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The MSC model shown at DSA 2014 is fitted with a 76mm Oto Melara main gun, 4x Kongsberg NSM anti-ship missiles, 2x MSI 30mm guns located aft, and several South Korean made sensors, most of them from Samsung Thales.

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 23 2014, 05:21 PM)
New Rfi from tldm.

DSA 2014: DSME reveals missile corvette proposal for Malaysian Navy

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South Korea's Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) showcased its proposal for a missile surface corvette (MSC) for the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) at DSA 2014.

Junho (Bruno) Joung of DSME's Naval and Special Ship Marketing Team, told IHS Jane's on 15 April that the model is being presented to the RMN in response to its request for information to replace at least three platforms with new corvettes.

The proposed vessel has a length of 85.5 m, a beam of 12.9 m and displaces 1,800 tonnes at full load. The corvette can reach a top speed of in excess of 25 kt.

sosej
The MSC model shown at DSA 2014 is fitted with a 76mm Oto Melara main gun, 4x Kongsberg NSM anti-ship missiles, 2x MSI 30mm guns located aft, and several South Korean made sensors, most of them from Samsung Thales.
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drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif
But do their sensors performs along side famous sensors?
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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Apr 23 2014, 05:29 PM)
drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif
But do their sensors performs along side famous sensors?
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Latet they use android as cms. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 23 2014, 05:21 PM)
New Rfi from tldm.

DSA 2014: DSME reveals missile corvette proposal for Malaysian Navy

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South Korea's Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) showcased its proposal for a missile surface corvette (MSC) for the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) at DSA 2014.

Junho (Bruno) Joung of DSME's Naval and Special Ship Marketing Team, told IHS Jane's on 15 April that the model is being presented to the RMN in response to its request for information to replace at least three platforms with new corvettes.

The proposed vessel has a length of 85.5 m, a beam of 12.9 m and displaces 1,800 tonnes at full load. The corvette can reach a top speed of in excess of 25 kt.

sosej
The MSC model shown at DSA 2014 is fitted with a 76mm Oto Melara main gun, 4x Kongsberg NSM anti-ship missiles, 2x MSI 30mm guns located aft, and several South Korean made sensors, most of them from Samsung Thales.
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Saw their KDX-3 as well. Why not we buy those.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 23 2014, 04:13 PM)
at the end lowyat fans hope on gowind lcs

ciws searam = x
codag = x
essm = x
NSM = x
16+ vls = maybe no.
long range radar = x
= usd 4.7b

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a bit of a let down to me sad.gif , i want nsm
essm no use even though got range up to 50km since most anti ship missile launch by aircraft/ship are beyond that range

and searam just bonus, would love to have it
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 23 2014, 05:21 PM)
New Rfi from tldm.

DSA 2014: DSME reveals missile corvette proposal for Malaysian Navy

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South Korea's Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) showcased its proposal for a missile surface corvette (MSC) for the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) at DSA 2014.

Junho (Bruno) Joung of DSME's Naval and Special Ship Marketing Team, told IHS Jane's on 15 April that the model is being presented to the RMN in response to its request for information to replace at least three platforms with new corvettes.

The proposed vessel has a length of 85.5 m, a beam of 12.9 m and displaces 1,800 tonnes at full load. The corvette can reach a top speed of in excess of 25 kt.

sosej
The MSC model shown at DSA 2014 is fitted with a 76mm Oto Melara main gun, 4x Kongsberg NSM anti-ship missiles, 2x MSI 30mm guns located aft, and several South Korean made sensors, most of them from Samsung Thales.
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I prefer visby class, with NSM
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post Apr 23 2014, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Apr 23 2014, 02:52 PM)
Prefer 76mm....in the middle. More fire power than 57mm & more rapid than 100mm

Tp aku tak setuju la ambik 30mm MSI tu...tak tau la new generation ke tak...tp klu sama mcm lekiu tu. Alahai...mengarut jugak....kt lekiu ok la sesuai dgn zaman tu. Skarng ade byk choice yg better firepower, precision.....  goalkeeper/ phalanx boleh create wall lagi
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I see video about gowind class, the msi gun are remotely control but not sure about the model no. though
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post Apr 23 2014, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 23 2014, 04:59 PM)
very sure.... which current spec i happy if price $ 2.7 bil or event 3.0 bil,  if is true.
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Did you mean USD 270mil & USD 300mil per ship?

QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 23 2014, 05:13 PM)
Any source? You better check again and again.
as I have never heard of the 4.7bil not once.

As far as I heard it have been capped at usd2.8bil.
And now the whole project cost are estimated around usd2.4bil to usd 2.7bil.
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Maybe waja2000 meant was of the almost USD 470 million (each) price tag.

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Apr 23 2014, 05:35 PM)
Saw their KDX-3 as well. Why not we buy those.
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KDX-3 aka Sejong the great-class vessel is a destoyer bro. AEGIS DESTROYER!!! and FYI, it is heavier than Ticonderuga-class cruiser. And it is the most heavy AEGIS cruiser but the capability still cannot compete with FIIA arleigh burke. KDX-3 cost almost $1B per ship.

Incheon-class is more reasonable for us to buy if we really want to, but, there is a rumor that incheon frigate uses a lot of Israeli tech. So maybe we wont even consider it.

Gomduksori-class PV also gooding too.
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QUOTE(hafizushi @ Apr 23 2014, 06:26 PM)
I see video about gowind class, the msi gun are remotely control but not sure about the model no. though
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MSI on board lekiu also remote from CIC.... the operators for both guns sat beside me in the CIC... but it was 10 yrs ago when I was a weapon controller 1 (WC 1) of lekiu who control the main gun bofors 57mm.

Imho.... MSI 30mm is not that great for CIWS.... the rates of fire not that fast (30mm) & it cant form a bullet wall to stop the incoming missile.... the FCS must precise enough to shoot directly at the missile....which I dont think that effective...

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Apr 23 2014, 07:31 PM)
MSI on board lekiu also remote from CIC.... the operators for both guns sat beside me in the CIC... but it was 10 yrs ago when I was a weapon controller 1 (WC 1) of lekiu who control the main gun bofors 57mm.

Imho.... MSI 30mm is not that great for CIWS.... the rates of fire not that fast (30mm) & it cant form a bullet wall to stop the incoming missile.... the FCS must precise enough to shoot directly at the missile....which I dont think that effective...
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I wanna ask you one question, but dont dont misunderstand me.
Is it fun to work as Weapon controller? what was you rank back then?
i aware that this kind of job is not for play2, but is it an enjoyable job for you? Do you need to stay alert all the time?
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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Apr 23 2014, 07:35 PM)
I wanna ask you one question, but dont dont misunderstand me.
Is it fun to work as Weapon controller? what was you rank back then?
i aware that this kind of job is not for play2, but is it an enjoyable job for you? Do you need to stay alert all the time?
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I just close up controller during battle station...the rest I will do job like other officers.... officer of the watch. I dont know other organization....but on lekiu.. WC1 who control the 57mm is an officer & both MSI are ratings. We sit on the same row in the weapon consoles...

When close up for battle station....I will close up at WC1, my 57mm crews will close up at 57mm itself as back up in case remote firing cant be perform. WC1 will need to control forward fire control radar as well..... so its allign to 57mm. Loading, settings all done at the console. The firing 'button' is located at your leg...its like ur brake paddle....

Well...its fun because when u press the paddle, u will hear the noise & vibration....meaning ur gun is good working & firing at the target. Using forward tracker u can see where ur rounds go...and able to make correction of precision.

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