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waja2000
post Apr 23 2014, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 23 2014, 01:01 PM)
Even not included ESSM weapons system the RTN ship is still the most expensive ship among others in the chart.
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correct, 4.7b ship with Mica-VL, rclxms.gif rclxms.gif thumbup.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 23 2014, 01:53 PM)
correct, 4.7b ship with Mica-VL,  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
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Lol. I was referring to the RTN (Royal Thai Navy) ship. smile.gif

Anyway from the chart it is interesting that all 4 navies are using the Otomelara 76mm gun unlike Malaysia that prefers using the BAE 57mm Mk.3 gun.

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post Apr 23 2014, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 23 2014, 02:18 PM)
Lol. I was referring to the RTN (Royal Thai Navy) ship.  smile.gif

Anyway from the chart it is interesting that all 4 navies are using the Otomelara 76mm gun unlike Malaysia that prefers using the BAE 57mm Mk.3 gun.
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Min requirement for NGS adalah 76mm gun.... utk land destruction
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post Apr 23 2014, 02:23 PM

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based from the chart we will use Sylver launcher. any article can backed this claim. If true, Aster15 brows.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Apr 23 2014, 02:23 PM)
based from the chart we will use Sylver launcher. any article can backed this claim. If true, Aster15 brows.gif
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Looks like it will be VL Mica & Exocet combo.

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2. LCS/SGPV/Laksamana Class

The physical construction of the first LCS will start in the first quarter 2015. This is not a delay as it is the schedule adhered by Boustead Naval Shipyard, confirmed by BHIC Managing Director Tan Sri Ramli Nor. Meanwhile, the Exocet SSM and VL Mica SSM are the missiles to arm the LCS. Malaysian Defence was told that the ceiling price for the ships need to be revised if other missiles are selected. The Government is unlikely to revise the ceiling price, therefore the Exocet and Mica will be the missiles for the ships.


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post Apr 23 2014, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 23 2014, 02:26 PM)
Looks like it will be VL Mica & Exocet combo.
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I know. Compare to others, only Gowind will go for launchers system (with mica).
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post Apr 23 2014, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Apr 23 2014, 02:23 PM)
Min requirement for NGS adalah 76mm gun.... utk land destruction
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What would you prefer as a personal opinion & as a navy man? The 76mm or the 57mm? LCS USN is using the 57mm also.

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post Apr 23 2014, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(James831 @ Apr 23 2014, 01:07 PM)
So there are no possible adding CIWS?
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German defense company Rheinmetall announced that a European navy has ordered two Oerlikon Millennium automatic cannon for one of its surface combatants. The contract is worth around €12 million, and also includes technical documentation, spare parts and services relating to maintenance training and system integration. Delivery is scheduled to take place in 2015.


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to supply MSI Defence Systems Limited 30mm Small Calibre Guns for the LCS Programme (“the Awarded Works”) at a total value of GBP17,290,916 (Great Britain Pounds Seventeen Million Two Hundred Ninty Thousand Nine Hundred and Sixteen) equivalent to RM87,729,508 at 28 Oct. 2013


MSI 30mm x2= 17 million pound contract, around USD 29 million. 6 unit Gowind (12 unit Guns) = 2.4 miilion each x2 for 1 ship, total = usd 4.8 million for each ship.

Millennium 30mm x2 = usd 20 million each ship

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post Apr 23 2014, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 23 2014, 02:33 PM)
MSI 30mm x2= 17 million pound contract, around USD 29 million. 6 unit Gowind (12 unit Guns) = 2.4 miilion each x2 for 1 ship, total = usd 4.8 million for each ship.

Millennium 30mm x2 = usd 20 million each ship
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Any idea which version the MSI 30mm gun is referring to?
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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 23 2014, 02:30 PM)
What would you prefer as a personal opinion & as a navy man? The 76mm or the 57mm? LCS USN is using the 57mm also.
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Can request 250mm or

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Apr 21 2014, 01:35 PM)
We should at least spell Immigration correctly
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lol, no worries, it's the US army anyway, bukan nya pandai sangat pun their askar.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 23 2014, 01:49 PM)
for lack of ciws is ok if we have alot VLS missile/RAM, event some say why RMN not select Millennium 30mm? how much cost compare to osi 30mm.   
Gowind is most advance and main battle ship for our Navy next 20 year,
went it design for ASW version,it should best population to suite ASW mission, silent is main important in ASW mission.
some more  it is 4.7B  ship,  we should expect advice in population, it not a 3b ship.
if like ciws or lower maintanance better we get sigma/meko class 2400 tons , some more cheaper.  with ciws + ASW + Micavl
+Exocet B3 too
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I dun mind we get at least ds30sigma though.
but I hoping for searams as few of our neighbours using supersonic antiship missile.

as for codad it is not as loud as you think it would be.
The current generation have improve lots.
I dun think there will be much issue since the gowind class were designed on Raft-Mounted Propulsion System (RMPS).
asw mission wont be a problem.
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post Apr 23 2014, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 23 2014, 02:30 PM)
What would you prefer as a personal opinion & as a navy man? The 76mm or the 57mm? LCS USN is using the 57mm also.
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Prefer 76mm....in the middle. More fire power than 57mm & more rapid than 100mm

Tp aku tak setuju la ambik 30mm MSI tu...tak tau la new generation ke tak...tp klu sama mcm lekiu tu. Alahai...mengarut jugak....kt lekiu ok la sesuai dgn zaman tu. Skarng ade byk choice yg better firepower, precision..... goalkeeper/ phalanx boleh create wall lagi

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Apr 23 2014, 02:52 PM)
Prefer 76mm....in the middle. More fire power than 57mm & more rapid than 100mm

Tp aku tak setuju la ambik 30mm MSI tu...tak tau la new generation ke tak...tp klu sama mcm lekiu tu. Alahai...mengarut jugak....kt lekiu ok la sesuai dgn zaman tu. Skarng ade byk choice yg better firepower, precision.....  goalkeeper/ phalanx boleh create wall lagi
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Dapatkan searams lagi bagus.

yg wa dengar kedah class akan dapatkan dart upgrade bagi 76mm meriam itu.
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QUOTE(James831 @ Apr 23 2014, 02:39 PM)
Any idea which version the MSI 30mm gun is referring to?
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no comfirm model, but same news said is 30mm seahawk version. Thailand is using seahawk too. personally i think is A2 version

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post Apr 23 2014, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 23 2014, 02:48 PM)
I dun mind we get at least ds30sigma though.
but I hoping for searams as few of our neighbours using supersonic antiship missile.

as for codad it is not as loud as you think it would be.
The current generation have improve lots.
I dun think there will be much issue since the gowind class were designed on Raft-Mounted Propulsion System (RMPS).
asw mission wont be a problem.
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SeaRAM is basically the Phalanx system, with the 20mm gun replaced with a box of eleven RAM (RIM-116 "Rolling Air Frame") missiles

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SeaRAM is meant to provide combat support ships that normally have no defenses, or at least no combat radars and fire control system.


searam not much ship using now, around 3 ship used only. event Arleigh Burke FIIA start also don't have. replace with ESSM only.

newer small/middle range ship have fire control radar, so just using RAM (RIM-116) is enough, for supersonic antiship missile, it can few by SAM too. but RAM add last layer protection. 20/30mm ciws not help on supersonic antiship missile attack.

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 23 2014, 03:46 PM)
searam not much ship using now, around 3 ship used only. event  Arleigh Burke FIIA start also don't have. replace with ESSM only.

newer small/middle range ship have fire control radar, so just using RAM (RIM-116) is enough, for supersonic antiship missile, it can few by SAM too.  but RAM add last layer protection.  20/30mm ciws  not help on supersonic antiship missile attack.
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Searams is probably one of the best ciws.
Searams combo with 57mm 3p rounds should provide a very good lines of defense for the ship.
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post Apr 23 2014, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 23 2014, 03:58 PM)
Searams is probably one of the best ciws.
Searams combo with 57mm 3p rounds should provide a very good lines of defense for the ship.
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at the end lowyat fans hope on gowind lcs

ciws searam = x
codag = x
essm = x
NSM = x
16+ vls = maybe no.
long range radar = x
= usd 470 mil

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