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post Feb 16 2014, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(soR @ Feb 16 2014, 10:03 PM)
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What should i tell my electrician now? as he already lay cat6 cable what socket/faceplate he SHOULD use?(Cat6/5e?)
Do i need to ask him on testing it or anything?

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one more thing should i get my electrician to install 2-port faceplate over here?
my electrician said he just going to put the head connector there no need socket he said....
(i scared of accidently pulling it can break the cable..)
which is the proper way?
- install 2-port faceplate
- or just connector (electrician way)
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Follow what he said on the socket selection, you will only need "true" cat6 socket if you are running a data center server.
As said, your are just home use, no need to be so fast.
On the wall, sure use the socket for better appearance.
Also, if you ask him to put cat6 socket, will you know? I doubt so.

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post Feb 16 2014, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 16 2014, 11:09 PM)
Follow what he said on the socket selection, you will only need "true" cat6 socket if you are running a data center server.
As said, your are just home use, no need to be so fast.
On the wall, sure use the socket for better appearance.
Also, if you ask him to put cat6 socket, will you know? I doubt so.
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That's why i ask the socket he gave me atm stated cat5e
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post Feb 16 2014, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(soR @ Feb 16 2014, 11:21 PM)
That's why i ask the socket he gave me atm stated cat5e
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Is ok, don't worry too much.

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post Feb 17 2014, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 16 2014, 11:23 PM)
Is ok, don't worry too much.
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if u said so should be ok then
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post Feb 17 2014, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(soR @ Feb 16 2014, 10:03 PM)
Guys! rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

What should i tell my electrician now? as he already lay cat6 cable what socket/faceplate he SHOULD use?(Cat6/5e?)
Do i need to ask him on testing it or anything?

icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif

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one more thing should i get my electrician to install 2-port faceplate over here?
my electrician said he just going to put the head connector there no need socket he said....
(i scared of accidently pulling it can break the cable..)
which is the proper way?
- install 2-port faceplate
- or just connector (electrician way)
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Is the blue color network cables? The Network cables need minimal 6" apart from power points. Hope internally they gab minimal 6" apart.
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post Feb 17 2014, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 17 2014, 12:52 AM)
Is the blue color network cables? The Network cables need minimal 6" apart from power points. Hope internally they gab minimal 6" apart.
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I dont think so they gap the network cables from the power points, what can i do?

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post Feb 17 2014, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(soR @ Feb 17 2014, 09:43 AM)
I dont think so they gap the network cables from the power points, what can i do?
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Can't do much already. Cables already in the walls. Just use it, if have lots if packet drop you will have to configure to lower speed, and reduce to half duplex. Usually good network switch will do auto switching when performance or high CRC detected.

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post Feb 17 2014, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(soR @ Feb 16 2014, 11:03 PM)
Guys! rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

What should i tell my electrician now? as he already lay cat6 cable what socket/faceplate he SHOULD use?(Cat6/5e?)
Do i need to ask him on testing it or anything?

icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif

user posted image

one more thing should i get my electrician to install 2-port faceplate over here?
my electrician said he just going to put the head connector there no need socket he said....
(i scared of accidently pulling it can break the cable..)
which is the proper way?
- install 2-port faceplate
- or just connector (electrician way)
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Hi

If you have already laid cat6 cable might as well use cat6 keystone/faceplate. the face plate use angle type.
- more ports better than one unless you are going to use a switch.
- use faceplate not just connector. its weird for contractor to recommend it.
- after installation ask contractor to test using cable tester to make sure all 8 wires are working. you might need to use all the 8 wires for poe purpose in future.


As for the performance argued here, you might also need to check the below to get best performance
- connection from faceplate to end device which type of cable used
- end device using 10/100 or gigabit port
- router using 10/100 or gigabit port



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post Feb 17 2014, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(soR @ Feb 17 2014, 09:43 AM)
I dont think so they gap the network cables from the power points, what can i do?
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The cable used is AMP brand right?
cat6 network cables are twisted pair which is good in noise rejection. Power wire is running 240-250V at 50Hz while network cable's noise generation will be much higher(if any).
Just think this in a logic way, which will be affected first? If you are still worry on this, go to Jalan Pasar and buy some ferrite core.
My company already running with this(power wire and network cable side by side) and never have any problem.
In theory, everything we want to be perfect, but in real life, this won't really happens. Like 10 years ago, my office only have 5 PCs, so laying the cables are easy. But today, I have close to 40 PCs and the room still the same. Because of cost effectiveness sake, the socket has not been changed on end user part since 10 years ago. My IT department said, give us the fastest ports/sockets won't do any good as transfer an 1GB data it still takes time, as limitation will be on the PC.
What you need to worry is, your renovation works.

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Hi is the PoE Splitter buy in pair? their ac power is compatible with other ip camera or need to use back Prolink ip camera?

can PM me the price...thanks

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post Mar 3 2014, 10:17 AM

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how much was the home plug?
we need to get in sets right?
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post Mar 4 2014, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(czlee88 @ Mar 3 2014, 11:17 AM)
how much was the home plug?
we need to get in sets right?
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yes it require a pair to work.

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post Mar 4 2014, 04:13 PM

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Boss, i need Cat5e Single 2nos and Dual 1 no, how much? Clamping tool have?
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post Mar 5 2014, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 17 2014, 10:20 AM)
Can't do much already. Cables already in the walls. Just use it,  if have lots if packet drop you will have to configure to lower speed, and reduce to half duplex. Usually good network switch will do auto switching when performance or high CRC detected.
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Yep i can't do much really cry.gif , about that (configure to lower speed, and reduce to half duplex) i dont know what this means really, and the network switch i don't think ill be using it. Maybe when there is more PC in the house.

QUOTE(jellybeanz @ Feb 17 2014, 12:11 PM)
Hi

If you have already laid cat6 cable might as well use cat6 keystone/faceplate. the face plate use angle type.
- more ports better than one unless you are going to use a switch.
- use faceplate not just connector. its weird for contractor to recommend it.
- after installation ask contractor to test using cable tester to make sure all 8 wires are working. you might need to use all the 8 wires for poe purpose in future.
As for the performance argued here, you might also need to check the below to get best performance
- connection from faceplate to end device which type of cable used
- end device using 10/100 or gigabit port
- router using 10/100 or gigabit port
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My electrician came and install new faceplate for Cat6
- 1 for each bedroom, only 2 bedroom have data socket
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- 2 port faceplate from the living room where the unifi things will be stuffed here.
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He going to test when there's electricity is in, waiting on TnB (update to 3-phase tho).
As for the performance i think from faceplate to end device would be Cat6 picture below.

- after installation ask contractor to test using cable tester to make sure all 8 wires are working. you might need to use all the 8 wires for poe purpose in future.

regarding this i dont really understand.

QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 17 2014, 12:19 PM)
The cable used is AMP brand right?
cat6 network cables are twisted pair which is good in noise rejection. Power wire is running 240-250V at 50Hz while network cable's noise generation will be much higher(if any).
Just think this in a logic way, which will be affected first? If you are still worry on this, go to Jalan Pasar and buy some ferrite core.
My company already running with this(power wire and network cable side by side) and never have any problem.
In theory, everything we want to be perfect, but in real life, this won't really happens. Like 10 years ago, my office only have 5 PCs, so laying the cables are easy. But today, I have close to 40 PCs and the room still the same. Because of cost effectiveness sake, the socket has not been changed on end user part since 10 years ago. My IT department said, give us the fastest ports/sockets won't do any good as transfer an 1GB data it still takes time, as limitation will be on the PC.
What you need to worry is, your renovation works.
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I attach some picture of the cable.
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I have seen those ferrite core on some cables before, but don't know the function of it, what does it do?
haha thanks for reminding me of my renovation works just want to make sure that the cable are good and properly installed and useable without any problem, cause i dont want to paid and get things that would give me problems u know ....

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post Mar 5 2014, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(soR @ Mar 5 2014, 01:11 AM)
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I have seen those ferrite core on some cables before, but don't know the function of it, what does it do?
haha thanks for reminding me of my renovation works just want to make sure that the cable are good and properly installed and useable without any problem, cause i dont want to paid and get things that would give me problems u know ....
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Yup, that's AMP cables. Don't worry, the quality are quite good.
Anyway, I found some homeplug products, looks like quite good for normal day to day usage.
As said, transfer data from 1 point to another need time, cable's transfer rate maybe fast, but limitation forever are from our PC.
Given a 100000GBPS cat9 cable for you also no use. Is just like current AV trend, all going for 4K. But does everyone understand what is that? And how many equipment really support it?
Don't fooled by some on the number games. Got money, change all, else just stick with what ever is done.
Like now I'm planning to network my AC Ryan, but after calculate, laying cable are not cost effective at all. Running casings, 60M of cables(rm4/M). At Lowyat, 2 homeplug only rm270 and I no need to headache how to hide the cables.
And I scored a Marantz AV amp SR6007 for rm2300(ZIIP) yesterday, cash rm2299. Since I'm doing ZIIP, I thought want to go 1 level higher, the SR6007 which is rm2999. But the SA tells me that don't waste the money as the difference are 6007 can only do 10W more compare to 5007, rest of the components(power supply) are the same. For AV amps, the power supply are very important.
Ferrite core are mainly for noise rejection, you won't really see the significant difference.

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post Mar 5 2014, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(soR @ Mar 5 2014, 02:11 AM)
- after installation ask contractor to test using cable tester to make sure all 8 wires are working. you might need to use all the 8 wires for poe purpose in future.

regarding this i dont really understand.
Sometimes during laying the cables some of the wires might be broken due to force and quality of cable. Lan cable consist of 8 wires in 4 pairs.
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So better to check all wires in the cable are working by using simple tester. Contractor should have the basic ones.

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post Mar 5 2014, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(jellybeanz @ Mar 5 2014, 09:00 AM)
Sometimes during laying the cables some of the wires might be broken due to force and quality of cable. Lan cable consist of 8 wires in 4 pairs.
user posted image

So better to check all wires in the cable are working by using simple tester. Contractor should have the basic ones.

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The tester only good for connection testing, but for the cable photo you attached is Cat 6, need noise tester that cost few Grand. Sometime the contractor may cut bit of the cables and the basic connector will still detect normal, but with the noise tester it will failed. My last installation of CAT 6 environment the contractor need to redo about 10 points.


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post Mar 6 2014, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 17 2014, 01:52 AM)
Is the blue color network cables? The Network cables need minimal 6" apart from power points. Hope internally they gab minimal 6" apart.
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Weikee do you mean network cable socket and power socket must be separated by at least 6"? How bout the network and power cable can they be pull parallel together or also must have a 6" gap apart? Is there any compatibility issue between cat 5 & cat 6 cable with homeplug, cctv and other gadget? Some electrician is giving cat 6 with the same pricing as cat 5. Thanks

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post Mar 6 2014, 03:44 AM

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Yeah find that most of people starting to use homeplug, but i dont know if my house is able to used it since it 3-phase

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If they got the similar test or noise test like weikee said what reading should it be getting? so when they test i have some rough idea that the test is stable.. so that they cannot kelentong me..

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hope they got that kinda tester, cause they haven't do any check up yet..

Also i took some picture after installation of the keystone is that what they call it where the cat6 cable are installed on ..I let u guys judge the work to me its like cincai punya kerja rclxub.gif rclxub.gif , here..
Living room
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notice that i circled in red where the wire not sit properly in those slot...
Bedroom
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compare to this i found on the internet very neat
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and i read somewhere not to exposed those wire too much, then more noise disturbance happens which can degrade the performance... rclxub.gif also found that the keystone doesnt have dust cover..

seems like they dont have a proper tool to do a proper job... mad.gif

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post Mar 6 2014, 08:13 AM

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Why not, 3-phase are even better. It will still be 240-250V anyway. As the main grid to our house are only 240-250V.

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