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post Feb 14 2014, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 14 2014, 03:59 PM)
For small throughput maybe 10Mbps or less, wireless are good, but if want to run few high throughput connection say few Media player playing from a NAS storage wireless may not be good.

If house are under renovation, is good to wired it. I have 11 LAN points, 5 for LAN, remaining for future CCTV.
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Well, I don't really watch LAN movie from my TV. By buying a media player, I can use pendrive which is easier. After all, I'm not OKU yet. Walk a bit more is good for health.
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post Feb 14 2014, 08:50 PM

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Not about walking is about storing movies and images. I have like 50gigs of kids cartoons, and many full HD good movies.
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post Feb 14 2014, 09:10 PM

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50GB only, I got about a 10X more than yours. And I use AC Ryan to solve all my problems.
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post Feb 14 2014, 11:44 PM

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50 only kids stuff, hd are more, few hundred gigs, and My nas not only putting videos and images. I use it as iscsi to run VMware, and is operate with raid in case disk failure. So far synology servings me well.
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post Feb 15 2014, 01:56 AM

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You have some point here, but after I had HDD failure, I'll try to keep low. After watch, clear it out.
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post Feb 15 2014, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 15 2014, 01:56 AM)
You have some point here, but after I had HDD failure, I'll try to keep low. After watch, clear it out.
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Now I also do backup over the cloud. Usd60 per year can get few T.Bytes. cheaper than buying h.disk
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post Feb 15 2014, 11:43 PM

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Guys want to ask my electriction uses cat6 cable but uses cat5e faceplate/socket is it ok?
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post Feb 16 2014, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(soR @ Feb 15 2014, 11:43 PM)
Guys want to ask my electriction uses cat6 cable but uses cat5e faceplate/socket is it ok?
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Is useless because you won't get cat6 performance.
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post Feb 16 2014, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 16 2014, 12:27 AM)
Is useless because you won't get cat6 performance.
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post Feb 16 2014, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(soR @ Feb 15 2014, 11:43 PM)
Guys want to ask my electriction uses cat6 cable but uses cat5e faceplate/socket is it ok?
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http://donutey.com/ethernet.php
Do some read ups on cables first before you being cheated.
Network cable from start till today are still using RJ-45, the socket has not been changed on the standard, your electrician is right.

QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 16 2014, 12:27 AM)
Is useless because you won't get cat6 performance.
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post Feb 16 2014, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 16 2014, 08:59 AM)
http://donutey.com/ethernet.php
Do some read ups on cables first before you being cheated.
Network cable from start till today are still using RJ-45, the socket has not been changed on the standard, your electrician is right.
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My jaw dropped when I read this doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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You can drop what you want, but it also show the knowledge of network you have.

I managed and design network for many years, I know what I am writing. Cat6 performance can go up to 10gpbs, but that need to be operate at higher frequency. Cat6 uses thicker copper better insulation which helps reducing near end cross talk - the CAT6 jacks are made to take this into accounts. If you use Cat6 cabling, but only Cat5E connectors on each end, the network is only going to be rated to Cat5E

All Cat6 cabling need to run a series of noise testing before it get certified as Cat6 enviroment. Putting Cat6 cabling and all the socket with cat6 is not certified if its not tested. Running at 10Gbps will generate lots of CRC error if noise level are high and create worse network compare to CAT5e. The only true CAT6 environment i see as of now is only in Data center running and maintaining 10Gbps, not even in big corporate.

If a home owner want to have so call CAT 6 cabling, but only running on 1Gbps, my advice go with CAT5e good quality cables like KRONE or AMP which both under the same umbrella.

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post Feb 16 2014, 11:15 AM

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If worry Cat5e get outdated, better lay entire house with single mode fiber. Can go up to 100Gbps.
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post Feb 16 2014, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 16 2014, 11:13 AM)
You can drop what you want, but it also show the knowledge of network you have.

I managed and design network for many years, I know what I am writing. Cat6 performance can go up to 10gpbs, but that need to be operate at higher frequency. Cat6 uses thicker copper better insulation which helps reducing near end cross talk - the CAT6 jacks are made to take this into accounts. If you use Cat6 cabling, but only Cat5E connectors on each end, the network is only going to be rated to Cat5E

All Cat6 cabling need to run a series of noise testing before it get certified as Cat6 enviroment. Putting Cat6 cabling and all the socket with cat6 is not certified if its not tested. Running at 10Gbps will generate lots of CRC error if noise level are high and create worse network compare to CAT5e. The only true CAT6 environment i see as of now is only in Data center running and maintaining 10Gbps, not even in big corporate.

If a home owner want to have so call CAT 6 cabling, but only running on 1Gbps, my advice go with CAT5e good quality cables like KRONE or AMP which both under the same umbrella.
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I said you made my jaw dropped is the socket have difference which in the fact not. I never say the cable.
And you don't really know what you are typing. Type and write is totally different in cyber world.
Also, cat5e that nearing to its lifespan in networking world, some of them do have twisted pair which is same at cat6. And do our PC's network card really can support 10Gbps also is a ?
This remind me on audio's RCA cables, some like to boast around that they have a rm10000 RCA that are far more superior than those rm100 RCA cables. But when I do a blind side by side test between his superior RCA to my DIY RCA that using cat6 network cable, he can't really hear the difference.
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post Feb 16 2014, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 16 2014, 11:30 AM)
I said you made my jaw dropped is the socket have difference which in the fact not. I never say the cable.
And you don't really know what you are typing. Type and write is totally different in cyber world.
Also, cat5e that nearing to its lifespan in networking world, some of them do have twisted pair which is same at cat6. And do our PC's network card really can support 10Gbps also is a ?
This remind me on audio's RCA cables, some like to boast around that they have a rm10000 RCA that are far more superior than those rm100 RCA cables. But when I do a blind side by side test between his superior RCA to my DIY RCA that using cat6 network cable, he can't really hear the difference.
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Let get it clear, my definition of socket is this (http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photo-computer-network-socket-image3101095) some called it keystone.

Socket/keystone have a different. Cat6 certified socket will have low noise operating at 250mhz, and for some can afford others can even go up to 500mhz. Even the patch cords, and patch panel need to be tested at 250Mhz and above to get CAT6 certified.



Cat6 is made for high frequency and 10Gbps with backward compatible. Cat5e is not nearing to its lifespan, Cat5e is been proven to run from 10mbps up to 1Gbps without any issue, even some old office with Cat5e cabling by just replacing Switch + new notebook all running at 1Gbps without any error.
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post Feb 16 2014, 11:57 AM

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Without proper noise testing on CAT6, is as good as using only CAT5e
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post Feb 16 2014, 12:23 PM

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http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1572493
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_y...26132819AA3H1x8
http://www.avforums.com/threads/cat5-socke...-cable.1085163/
Just a simple search and non of them says I'm wrong and it is ok to use the same socket.
I got an optical cable but non of my equipment can support that speed also useless.
Why I won't doubt your "Experience", but I hope you don't abuse your "experience" and mislead people to install what they don't need in the first place and waste their money.
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post Feb 16 2014, 12:48 PM

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My reply is very clear, can use cat5e socket but can't get cat6 performance.
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post Feb 16 2014, 01:11 PM

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My reply also very clear, there's no need to have something that is not needed unless just want to boast around.
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post Feb 16 2014, 06:24 PM

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what about HDJUICEBOX, a Homeplug + HDMI extender + HDMI SPlitter + IR blaster.

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post Feb 16 2014, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 16 2014, 12:48 PM)
My reply is very clear, can use cat5e socket but can't get cat6 performance.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 16 2014, 01:11 PM)
My reply also very clear, there's no need to have something that is not needed unless just want to boast around.
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Guys! rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

What should i tell my electrician now? as he already lay cat6 cable what socket/faceplate he SHOULD use?(Cat6/5e?)
Do i need to ask him on testing it or anything?

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one more thing should i get my electrician to install 2-port faceplate over here?
my electrician said he just going to put the head connector there no need socket he said....
(i scared of accidently pulling it can break the cable..)
which is the proper way?
- install 2-port faceplate
- or just connector (electrician way)

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