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post Feb 14 2014, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 14 2014, 01:50 PM)
From my earlier testing, homeplug connection speed are bad when the distance go longer, and more equipment are sharing the same live wires. Worse if your neighbor using another homeplug (on the same live wires). Sometime can even drop to 10Mbps. I also encounter putting two cheap LED driver, and the homeplug speed became unstable.

Maybe newer homeplug have improvement over the noise.
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I just spend ~rm150-200 for wireless N network and my whole house can get connection, no wire mess.
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post Feb 14 2014, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 14 2014, 03:59 PM)
For small throughput maybe 10Mbps or less, wireless are good, but if want to run few high throughput connection say few Media player playing from a NAS storage wireless may not be good.

If house are under renovation, is good to wired it. I have 11 LAN points, 5 for LAN, remaining for future CCTV.
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Well, I don't really watch LAN movie from my TV. By buying a media player, I can use pendrive which is easier. After all, I'm not OKU yet. Walk a bit more is good for health.
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post Feb 14 2014, 09:10 PM

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50GB only, I got about a 10X more than yours. And I use AC Ryan to solve all my problems.
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post Feb 15 2014, 01:56 AM

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You have some point here, but after I had HDD failure, I'll try to keep low. After watch, clear it out.
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post Feb 16 2014, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(soR @ Feb 15 2014, 11:43 PM)
Guys want to ask my electriction uses cat6 cable but uses cat5e faceplate/socket is it ok?
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http://donutey.com/ethernet.php
Do some read ups on cables first before you being cheated.
Network cable from start till today are still using RJ-45, the socket has not been changed on the standard, your electrician is right.

QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 16 2014, 12:27 AM)
Is useless because you won't get cat6 performance.
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post Feb 16 2014, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 16 2014, 11:13 AM)
You can drop what you want, but it also show the knowledge of network you have.

I managed and design network for many years, I know what I am writing. Cat6 performance can go up to 10gpbs, but that need to be operate at higher frequency. Cat6 uses thicker copper better insulation which helps reducing near end cross talk - the CAT6 jacks are made to take this into accounts. If you use Cat6 cabling, but only Cat5E connectors on each end, the network is only going to be rated to Cat5E

All Cat6 cabling need to run a series of noise testing before it get certified as Cat6 enviroment. Putting Cat6 cabling and all the socket with cat6 is not certified if its not tested. Running at 10Gbps will generate lots of CRC error if noise level are high and create worse network compare to CAT5e. The only true CAT6 environment i see as of now is only in Data center running and maintaining 10Gbps, not even in big corporate.

If a home owner want to have so call CAT 6 cabling, but only running on 1Gbps, my advice go with CAT5e good quality cables like KRONE or AMP which both under the same umbrella.
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I said you made my jaw dropped is the socket have difference which in the fact not. I never say the cable.
And you don't really know what you are typing. Type and write is totally different in cyber world.
Also, cat5e that nearing to its lifespan in networking world, some of them do have twisted pair which is same at cat6. And do our PC's network card really can support 10Gbps also is a ?
This remind me on audio's RCA cables, some like to boast around that they have a rm10000 RCA that are far more superior than those rm100 RCA cables. But when I do a blind side by side test between his superior RCA to my DIY RCA that using cat6 network cable, he can't really hear the difference.
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post Feb 16 2014, 12:23 PM

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http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1572493
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_y...26132819AA3H1x8
http://www.avforums.com/threads/cat5-socke...-cable.1085163/
Just a simple search and non of them says I'm wrong and it is ok to use the same socket.
I got an optical cable but non of my equipment can support that speed also useless.
Why I won't doubt your "Experience", but I hope you don't abuse your "experience" and mislead people to install what they don't need in the first place and waste their money.
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post Feb 16 2014, 01:11 PM

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My reply also very clear, there's no need to have something that is not needed unless just want to boast around.
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post Feb 16 2014, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(soR @ Feb 16 2014, 10:03 PM)
Guys! rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

What should i tell my electrician now? as he already lay cat6 cable what socket/faceplate he SHOULD use?(Cat6/5e?)
Do i need to ask him on testing it or anything?

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one more thing should i get my electrician to install 2-port faceplate over here?
my electrician said he just going to put the head connector there no need socket he said....
(i scared of accidently pulling it can break the cable..)
which is the proper way?
- install 2-port faceplate
- or just connector (electrician way)
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Follow what he said on the socket selection, you will only need "true" cat6 socket if you are running a data center server.
As said, your are just home use, no need to be so fast.
On the wall, sure use the socket for better appearance.
Also, if you ask him to put cat6 socket, will you know? I doubt so.

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post Feb 16 2014, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(soR @ Feb 16 2014, 11:21 PM)
That's why i ask the socket he gave me atm stated cat5e
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Is ok, don't worry too much.

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post Feb 17 2014, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(soR @ Feb 17 2014, 09:43 AM)
I dont think so they gap the network cables from the power points, what can i do?
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The cable used is AMP brand right?
cat6 network cables are twisted pair which is good in noise rejection. Power wire is running 240-250V at 50Hz while network cable's noise generation will be much higher(if any).
Just think this in a logic way, which will be affected first? If you are still worry on this, go to Jalan Pasar and buy some ferrite core.
My company already running with this(power wire and network cable side by side) and never have any problem.
In theory, everything we want to be perfect, but in real life, this won't really happens. Like 10 years ago, my office only have 5 PCs, so laying the cables are easy. But today, I have close to 40 PCs and the room still the same. Because of cost effectiveness sake, the socket has not been changed on end user part since 10 years ago. My IT department said, give us the fastest ports/sockets won't do any good as transfer an 1GB data it still takes time, as limitation will be on the PC.
What you need to worry is, your renovation works.

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post Mar 5 2014, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(soR @ Mar 5 2014, 01:11 AM)
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I have seen those ferrite core on some cables before, but don't know the function of it, what does it do?
haha thanks for reminding me of my renovation works just want to make sure that the cable are good and properly installed and useable without any problem, cause i dont want to paid and get things that would give me problems u know ....
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Yup, that's AMP cables. Don't worry, the quality are quite good.
Anyway, I found some homeplug products, looks like quite good for normal day to day usage.
As said, transfer data from 1 point to another need time, cable's transfer rate maybe fast, but limitation forever are from our PC.
Given a 100000GBPS cat9 cable for you also no use. Is just like current AV trend, all going for 4K. But does everyone understand what is that? And how many equipment really support it?
Don't fooled by some on the number games. Got money, change all, else just stick with what ever is done.
Like now I'm planning to network my AC Ryan, but after calculate, laying cable are not cost effective at all. Running casings, 60M of cables(rm4/M). At Lowyat, 2 homeplug only rm270 and I no need to headache how to hide the cables.
And I scored a Marantz AV amp SR6007 for rm2300(ZIIP) yesterday, cash rm2299. Since I'm doing ZIIP, I thought want to go 1 level higher, the SR6007 which is rm2999. But the SA tells me that don't waste the money as the difference are 6007 can only do 10W more compare to 5007, rest of the components(power supply) are the same. For AV amps, the power supply are very important.
Ferrite core are mainly for noise rejection, you won't really see the significant difference.

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post Mar 6 2014, 08:13 AM

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Why not, 3-phase are even better. It will still be 240-250V anyway. As the main grid to our house are only 240-250V.

 

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