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post Dec 28 2013, 07:46 PM, updated 12y ago

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can any senior members here pls advise

bought 1 unit of Lenovo Y510P from Stephen ( https://forum.lowyat.net/user/storm88 of TECH ARMORY) on 24/12
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...507863&hl=y510p
asked him if there's any issue with the laptop is there any 1 for 1 exchange
he said yes for 7 days only

on 25/12 i noticed there's a gap on the laptop lid

i asked for advise if this is normal in the Y510P threads
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2851949/+2500
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2796033/+2060

i called him today
a lady answered & said he's busy
i told her the problem & ask to exchange another unit
she said they are out of stock
so i ask her how to resolve this issue then
she told me to hold on & she asked Stephen

after that she told me that when i went there i already saw its a new unit
even i'm still within the 7 days exchange period they are out of stock

so i ask her can i send back for refund
she then told me that Lenovo have change their procedure
any issues should be dealt directly with Lenovo
& i should go to Lenovo service centre

my issue now is
1. i went to purchase a NEW unit - so am i suppose to expect other than a NEW unit ?
2. storm88 of TECH ARMORY didn't tell me that the 7 days exchange is to be done at the service centre
3. 1st she said no stock then she said Lenovo change procedure
4. from the response given by the lady, i presume that they are also refusing to accept the unit back for a refund

can any senior members here pls advise
is it true that we should go to Lenovo for the 1 to 1 exchange

thank you very much for your help

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post Dec 28 2013, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Dec 28 2013, 10:01 PM)
Summoning storm88

Remember, 1 to 1 exchange is between the seller and the customer, NOT the supplier/distributor OKAY?

Sounds like this btw: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3054724
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thank you for your input kytz

i have whatsapp him to reply here. waiting

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post Dec 29 2013, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(zuhaili87 @ Dec 29 2013, 12:07 AM)
I got kinda same problem with my previous HP laptop, bought it at HP digital mall, bring back home, suddenly found laptop got a little gap on battery compartment, next day, i bring my laptop wrap back in the box along with receipt, show them the problem, compare condition with how it should be, straight away the seller open new set for me.  nod.gif  what im trying to say is usually all registered company will accept 7 days 1-1 exchange policy. U should give it a try. If no stock there must be some other way, seller cant just simply give excuse no stock. Good luck bro.  nod.gif
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seller told me Lenovo change policy ... go to Lenovo myself & settle myself the 7 days 1 to 1 exchange

apparently they have stock coming in on Tuesday but just tell me NO stock. go to service centre.

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post Dec 29 2013, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Dec 29 2013, 01:03 AM)
storm88 again!?

do a search, not the 1st time
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ya my bad ... after have issue ... only realise got many issues raised with him ... i saw his many stars & thought it translates to credibility ... i was naive

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post Dec 29 2013, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Dec 28 2013, 10:01 PM)
Summoning storm88

Remember, 1 to 1 exchange is between the seller and the customer, NOT the supplier/distributor OKAY?

Sounds like this btw: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3054724
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does this mean the 1 to 1 is only with seller & i can't get it with Lenovo ?

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post Dec 29 2013, 02:05 AM

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QUOTE(ruztynail @ Dec 29 2013, 01:34 AM)
better go to his shop and demand a new one.. ill be super pissed if this happens to me.. u should hv also open the unit and see if got defect bfr accepting it even tho u paid..
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I did open the set. but his place not very well lit. & its not a shop. more like a store & very messy.

thats why I asked him if got problem got 1 to 1 or not. he said 7 days.
he even made mistake when he issued receipt. he didn't get the right serial number & asked me to sms him & write it myself on the receipt. I asked him got problem or not. different handwriting. he said no.

anyway he already said no stock. what I want to do there? he will just say no stock again.

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post Dec 29 2013, 09:16 AM

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storm88 has seen my whatsapp message at 8.52am & last active on this thread at 9.10am.
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post Dec 29 2013, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(storm88 @ Dec 29 2013, 10:20 AM)
Sorry for not answering your call in the first place as i was busy at the time.
BUT Let me answer your question.

1. We honour the 1-1 exchange WHEN it is a hardware failure. Is yours a hardware failure? NO
2. I don't remember if i told you 7-7 from us immediately also, isn't it?
3. Yes, my staff didn't lied to you we are of our stock, and yes also Lenovo change procedure by last year. Believe it anot, you may call lenovo to check.
4. We decline your request base on the below points:

a.  Sorry for the straight forward of my staff but she had her point, you had your unit check thru out (yes, you were very detail in the checking process) You are given time to check at our store, and we asked you to check properly.  And in deed you taken your time, so we came to conclude that you accepted the machine
b. We advise you to take to Service center for applying a request if it's faulty but you kept refusing to do so. Your total denial make us DOUBT why you don't want to do so.
c. To extend to the point above, WE are not service center, thus we don't know if your case is consider a claimable case or not. Therefore we ask you to send it to Service centre. Without the problem being justify, we can't do anything
To sum things up:
Let me tell you an experience which i got cheated up by customer, who was a lenovo Y500 series buyer like you.

We are not the first day in selling laptop, but we encounter a case that: a LYN customer also, bought a new set from us, left happily but call back on the 5th day complain product failure. AFter we done the 1-1 exchange then we realise the end user damage which I didn't realise earlier. We have to fork out $ for Service center to do the repair but the damage was done by customer.

Thanks to the inresponsible and not honest buyer's unpleasant happenings, then realising the fact customer has to send to service center to claim 1-1 exchange.  mad.gif I was so pissed off and change our 1-1 exchange policy ever since.

For your info, we still honor 1-1 exchange when :
1. ON THE SPOT of opening of box,
2. obvious hardware failure within 7 days of purchase,
3. Checked and certified by LENOVO SERVICE CENTER. (For those  case that had left our store and we can't justify if its a failure, it has to be sent to service center to do justification.)
So, hope above point answer your questions already that
One more thing to add

We always ask customer to open the box to check even if buyer feel no need. We gave you time at our shop and even recommend you to sit down and check carefully.
And, our shop is very bright(we use 9 x ULTRA BRIGHT bulbs in the less than 400 square feet range) and well arranged at the half front(OH you are the only one who complain it's dark and messy, while 99% of our other customer praised we have a good deco sweat.gif)

please TS Starter, Don't make yourself become a people who  姓赖 ok? shakehead.gif(meaning people who likes to make false accusation) For the first time you contacted us you had already been making few of unreasonable complain on us even before you made your purchase.  mega_shok.gif Your earlier act has alerted me to take precaution steps to protect myself.
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1st of all pls don't be rude. i'm not rude to u. & don't post anything in chinese becoz i don't understand it.

i came with a friend that day. & we are both females. how much we know how to check hardwares?

1. u never mention ONLY hardware failure. both me & my friend didn't hear this. thats why when we heard got 7 days 1 to 1. we just take it & come back within 7 days if any problem. i only call u yesterday because i have no experience in this. so i ask if this gap on the lid is acceptable or not in the forum. & people advise i should send back. i didn't just simply send it back to u & make a claim against u.

2. i don't understand what u mean

3. i never said your staff lied. sorry i'm still not sure this 1 to 1 is between seller & buyer or seller & manufacturer. but if i read what kytz post correctly it should be between seller & buyer. so u r seller. y ask me go to service centre.

4a) i was there long because we start up the machine & it went to setting process & you keep telling us 1st time boot up will take long time. we just stand there waiting for the setup & talk. what we check then? & after the boot up i just tests keyboard trackpad & then shutdown. then when i closed the lid saw like got a scratch on the lid & told u like got a scratch on the lid. then u keep rubbing it & then said its residue. that is when i asked u if got problem got 1 to 1 exchange or not. & u said yes 7 days. u didn't mention only hardware & tell us to check properly for other issues. u saw already i ask about the scratch then so why not u tell me then all this won't be covered for 1 to 1 & check properly? but u did say since u got warranty u can also go to Lenovo to claim against warranty. so now i ask u what is the purpose u give 1 to 1 but have to go to service centre? i don't mind if u have cctv in your shop & post it here to show how detail i was in checking the unit.

4b) i didn't keep refusing to sent to service centre. as i in my post, i ask for exchange. your staff say no stock. i ask how then. can return for refund or not. your staff say go to service centre. lenovo change procedure. why u didn't mention Lenovo change procedure when i ask you about 1 to 1? u just said if any problem u can also CHOOSE to go to service centre.

4c) if you are a responsible seller shouldn't you ask me bring the unit in to have a look first what you can do & not just deny everything & send me to service centre. where is your motto "WE ALWAYS STAND BY YOU" ??? That is misrepresentation .

Why you didn't explain your 1 to 1 policy to me clearly when i asked you? Obviously there will always be problem with goods. You are already & experience seller for a longtime. Do you like to always have arguments with your clients everyday over small issue like this. Do me & my friend look like gamers or very techy people to you. even this laptop i ask for recommendation from forum. i don't even know difference between the ssds that u were telling me. all i can understand is the price. & yes this also part of the reason why i was at your shop longer becoz i asked about ssd & u explain to me. you do business for 1 time only is it ?

ok so maybe my eyes got problem. i can't see very well inside your shop. & i didn't check the unit thoroughly inside out.

what did i complain to you even before i purchase from u? i don't recall. i listen back to all our phone conversation i didn't hear any. u want me to post to u the recordings?

i call u on 23/12 ask got Y510P stock. u said got tomorrow last day promotion. i went to your shop at 11am 24/12 but your shop not open so i call u again. u said your shop open at 12pm so i went at 12.15pm. after i left at 12.45 (i check my parking ticket still got half an hour), at 1pm, u send me sms saying u made error on receipt. u ask me to send u the correct serial number & amend the receipt myself. as i was driving i only replied u at 3.23pm. asking u different handwriting on the receipt ok or not. u said ok. then i sms u the serial number at 3.26pm

as u can see the time from above. i was at your shop for only about half an hour. your staff went to get unit from behind. then i said i want upgrade 3 years onsite. she said wait for u. whle waiting for u i ask can see the unit or not. then she open it. so its me that ask to check the unit. not u or your staff INSIST we check thoroughly. then i ask u recommended to upgrade 3years or not. then u explain to me. then i ask can boot up or not? then u show me how to put in the battery & then u just left me to figure out how to on the unit. its my friend that point out to me the on button. u just stood there. after the unit boot up it went to settings. i asked can skip all this & do it properly at home coz i didn't want to spend too much time there. u just ask me click next next next. after that i ask got recovery cd or not? u said no. then i ask if got problem need to reformat or anything how? u show the button to press to go into recovery. then i ask if want to add ssd how. & u explain to me about ssd. so u think all this take how long? i was at your shop only 30 minutes.

& don't tell me your story about your previous irresponsible dishonest buyer becoz i am NOT that irresponsible dishonest buyer. i went to your shop & paid CASH

you should have acted like this initially so i could protect myself from u

& pls tell yourself 姓赖 (whatever that is)

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post Dec 29 2013, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(storm88 @ Dec 29 2013, 10:26 AM)
Hi bro.
Maybe you mix thing up already.

1:1 Exchange upon reseller is for COMPONENTS. If you ask around, LAPTOP/BRANDED PC After sales service is back to Service center. There are some exclusion case where reseller still honor 1:1 exchange, that is part of after sales service provided by the retailer, however it's a not their duty. But we also honor 1:1 exchange with T&C where i replied above already
If TS buy Component from us and i have no other words but replace immediately.
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Why u not state this clearly when i ask about 1:1. not everybody is reseller/distributor/service cetre know all the T&C. why u want to keep it open & have issues with your client? you like to argue with them & do 1 time business & have them open thread here & complaint about u is it?
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post Dec 29 2013, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(storm88 @ Dec 29 2013, 10:38 AM)
Our motto still stands,

I can summon many of my client who had successfully claim 1:1 exchange from us without much question asked. I swapped a unit of very expensive MSI GT70-20D-SUPER RAID 2 laptop immediately when confirmed failure.
Please don't tar this case with the same brush as it's unfair to us
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i'm just wondering ... u immediately changed the unit becoz hardware failure can claim against manufacturer? maybe this 1 can't ?

don't need to say how expensive. i buy according to my usage needs


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post Dec 29 2013, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(storm88 @ Dec 29 2013, 10:46 AM)
You asked us two question at that time by referring to my staff.
1. We have stock anot? We have ran out of stock at that time, so we answered no
2. You ask how to claim 1-1? She answer you already that send to service center.

And about the receipt, i admit it's my fault that i distracted was answering your question when issuing receipt. I Can reissue to you again if you needed.

Why don't you tell the info in proper manner? tell half and don't tell half one?   rclxub.gif
one thing to add,
you had purchased onsite warranty coverage. Why don't you call Lenovo Service center to ask them go to your place to check?
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u should tell your info in proper manner.

i ask to speak to u. she said u busy. then i told her my problem. she said no stock. i ask her how to resolve problem. can return for refund or not?

so in other words "WE DON'T STAND BY YOU". go back to service centre & solve your problem yourself?

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post Dec 29 2013, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(yks8845 @ Dec 29 2013, 12:21 PM)
Thread starter, can you post more clearer picture ? from what i seen , its seem like cosmetic damage that so obvious, i think you should notice on the spot with such condition of it, i wonder why you still accept the unit on the spot ? or maybe its damage by your own after you bring home ( my guess ) ? , i do agree with storm88, in some parts manufacturer fault, buyer should refer back to service center for  unit inspection.

Anyway, little suggestion to storm88, even your side has no stock , you should at least ask buyer come back your store and discuss or have a real view on the unit with guide buyer hows the next step to do., its call -after sales services -even its may not your responsible to repair it instead of services center
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as i said i didn't turn it inside out outside in to check. i didn't check the trimmings for gaps. i didn't turn it upside down to check the bottom. & i still haven't. i'm not that particular but when i clean it the next day becoz of finger prints, i noticed the gap becoz i was wiping it carefully. & i'm worried that gap will get bigger as we open close open close the lid over a longterm period. & maybe that gap will also be a dust collector.

& if u r accusing me of dropping the unit surely there will be dents to cause that gap.
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post Dec 29 2013, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(steventan85 @ Dec 29 2013, 05:52 PM)
that is why i would rather get notebook directly thru manufacturer like Dell .... i can easily return the unit to dell within 14days ....
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i had a dell but it not meet my spec at right price now. i heard ppl say stay away from asus. so only left lenovo. & i thought with 3 years on site warranty should be good cover already.
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post Dec 29 2013, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(steventan85 @ Dec 29 2013, 06:05 PM)
worst case u need to contact lenovo for warranty claim.... next time try get it from All IT or Viewnet , big shop at Lowyat KL  ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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All IT no stock. This is chrismas gift for myself
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post Dec 29 2013, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(ywliang96 @ Dec 29 2013, 06:05 PM)
Few weeks back I bought the exact same laptop in mid valley lenovo. After the next day, I realise my laptop have HDD problem as it can't load up properly. I brought the laptop back and asked for a exchange. The seller don't believe it was the HDD problem until he checked for 1 hour and finally say he have to change 1 to 1.  biggrin.gif Anyway TS please meet up with the seller and settle as fast as possible since 1 to 1 exchange isn't very long
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post Dec 30 2013, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(bond @ Dec 30 2013, 08:03 PM)
Hi
I have the 510p too and it also has the little gap on the right, personally I don't find much issue with it but more concern on the reliability. So I opt for 3 years support and swap the hdd with ssd for better performance.
After-all lenovo build quality no longer comparable with original IBM thinkpad before but it is still value for money.

Have fun with it
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what's right for u not necessary right for others. 2 other forumers here also not accept it.
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post Dec 30 2013, 09:56 PM

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couple of months ago i bought a powerbank from a seller here. i asked if the powerbank will be able to charge camera batteries. he asked what camera & then told me can be charged.

a week later i took the powerbank with me overseas but it couldn't charge the camera.

i came back 2 weeks later & told him the camera didn't charge. he said should be able to. i said it didn't. then he said he will check & get back to me.

less than an hour later he whatsapp me & apologised. he said he made mistake & actually cannot charge camera. he said he willing to take back the powerbank.

since i had other uses for it, i decided to keep it.

this is what we call a responsible, honest, ethical & credible seller.


i can't say the same for u storm88.

upon receiving my complaint, u did not make any attempt to view the unit personally. making people question whether if it was caused by accidental damage.

u have also distorted the facts but i do not wish to dwell in it. i'm not here for character assasination.

so now, i state my purpose here again in no unclear terms that i want to invoke a 1:1 exchange policy with you the seller. as i understand it a 7 days 1:1 exchange policy is given by some sellers so that buyers are not inconvenienced by applying warranties from manufacturers. however, many sellers do not have this 7 days 1:1 exchange policy for fear of the risks involved.

u, storm88, have explicitly stated that u subscribe to a 1:1 exchange policy. however, u did not state in clear terms what your 1:1 exchange policy covers.

me : if anything can i return this? do u have 1:1 exchange?
storm88 : yes, 7 days. but u have warranty. u can also go to service centre.

i am telling u now, i want to invoke the 1:1 exchange policy on you not lenovo. u have not stated in clear terms your exchange policy WHEN i bought the item. & i don't want to know what is your policy AFTER i bought it.

u informed me that u have referred the case to lenovo. i am telling u now that is between you & lenovo. between me & you i want to invoke the 1:1 exchange policy with you.

as at this evening your response is, case has been referred to lenovo, timeframe for response UNKNOWN. i do not wish to wait for their response as i am being inconvenienced by not having a machine to use because i do not wish to accidentally cause any scratches on it giving you the excuse to reject the unit later.

to all other forumers who are following this thread, i wish to inform you that this unit has yet to be registered for warranty upon the advise of storm88 for reasons best known to him. i also have an upgrade to 3 years on site warranty.

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post Dec 30 2013, 10:25 PM

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storm88 has been informed & is aware of this latest update.

don't take forever to reply.
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post Dec 30 2013, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(bond @ Dec 30 2013, 10:27 PM)
Hahaha all the best for your claim...
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thanks. u can leave us alone now to deal with it

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