oh yeah, my aluminum frame (plaster ceiling) rattles like mad..when bass hits it (eg Blade Runner 2049 opening scene, War of the Worlds aliens scene, Interstellar spaceship scene  )

any easy DIY solution to fix it? (eg putting small sand bags inside? )

well i guess nothing is perfect unless we have a dedicated AV room (built for the purpose)

and at the same time, also need to worry about the bass/vibration affects our neighbors (link houses)   

Any yamaha pre pro owner here? Got some questions.

How is it so far? YPAO good?

I am using Audyssey now, but only the ordinary XT version. Looking to either go for x3600H or x4700h now with XT32. I read before some sifu said on this thread YPAO is way way worse than Audyssey in bass EQ though..? 
Do you use the multi angle boomerang thing to calibrate also? What does that really do?

I find yamaha receiver quite confusing to set up. Need some Yamaha sifu to assist.

Why Yamaha claim good bass EQ when they only have 4 band of EQ in their bass EQ? Why their auto EQ only go down to 30hz but manual allow you to go down to 16hz but there is not enough bands to use? This is confusing to me.

So pay over 10k for this pre pro CX5200 but cannot even do bass EQ properly? Btw why you mention bass management? I thought bass management is just to set crossover which is any basic receiver can do?

I read abit on minidsp. Seems like a good device, but I cannot understand why must spend even more when already paying for premium model pre pro.

Then why yamaha advertise like they are the best? Scam and bullshit?

I will research more on bass EQ.
I heard people say use good power cables and speaker cables is better instead of spending so much on room treatment which look ugly. This is what one shop told me. Is that true?

Seems like Audyssey is very popular tho.

Ya I understand that every company will advertise their product as being the best, that's is quite obvious. But why continue to advertise something that doesn't work eventhough it is already proven? To mislead blind people?

I know to get something to experience. But I need to know what to get first. Cannot be I just blindly go buy, test, don't like then throw away right? 
I have search up some pretty decent looking room treatments so my comment before was wrong, I stand corrected.

Regarding the power and speaker cable, can you recommend any? I am going to rebuild my setup from scratch.

I see the Lyngdorf, looks pretty cool and their specs sound pretty nice. RM40k is above my budget tho. 
Actually I'm only still using old Yamaha A850. The YPAO here is only RSC, bass EQ does almost nothing that's why I was asking if CX5200 is any better but it seems like the answer is no.

Unfortunately that is above my budget because I need to factor budget into renovating my room also. You use minidsp with your yamaha?
But why is speaker cable important if resistance is low enough for the current being sent to the speaker without any loss? I also don't understand the power cable part, I read silver is best conductivity followed close by copper, but copper is much much cheaper. But why you mention gold? I thought gold is way less conductive than either copper or silver?

I am rebuilding my setup because I finally have an extra room to make a mini home theater. Is not a big room but it gives me the opportunity to pull all the new cable to the room, so I want to at least get this part right the first time. I've been doing a lot of reading and so far, all I know is that as long as the cables are proper size, the sockets are correct and the MCB is high enough amperage, then I should be fine, right? Goal is to have maybe 2 subwoofer in the room, but I'm not decided yet on what subs to buy.

Where as I did read before on this thread by some sifu saying cable is snake oil. But then there are people like you and sonerin who say it can have a difference. So I'm confused who to listen to now. 

My target is a setup for 70% movie, 30% music. Something like that, give or take. My A850 currently only powering 3 speaker, LCR. They are the old pioneer andrew jone speaker which I am going to sell off and get something else. I think my room can only accomodate 5.1.4 max, because I read need at least 2-3 ft behind sofa to have 7 channels on the floor right?
For room treatment so far I think I will use carpet for the floor then maybe get those fiberboard that seem to look quite nice. You have experience with the fiberboard?

So you use minidsp for sub only? How you bypass the yamaha YPAO?

Ya I will be using fajar cables, my electrician also recommend the same. House is 3 phase, but a dedicated phase with its DB box on the 2nd floor which will be shared with my master bedroom and the media room. My bedroom other than wife's hairdryer, there is no other high power consumption item. I think it should be ok right? Thanks for the tip on multiple sockets though.
Isn't it as long as is OFC copper, that is all that matters?

What is the highest grade of copper then?

have you tune it with your ypao?
( YES. After tune, the PEQ setting just like b4 where all the setting at equalizer frequency bar at center. Is this norm ? )

are you statisfy with current frequency response/bass?
(Looking at increasing the bass when listen to music from B.Ray player.)

what you are planning to do with ur GEQ with your speakers
(the question is should I tune this GEQ for better sound or when normally we should tune this ?)

Heard someone said Yamaha AVR RX-V385 is great for movie but not on music or song plays. Is this true ?

Thank you very much for the info. Learnt something.
No I don't think yamaha is premium, but I think for their flagship model their ypao should at least be able to do some decent EQ. What I read from most users is that ypao is quite poor, that's what leaves me scratching my head.

Ya I'm leaning towards reference over preference too. But many people including some on this thread keep saying everything is subjective for audio, including cables. It's quite a confusing topic reading so many opinions about this.
Can you elaborate more on the technology of cables? I thought at the end of the day, is still copper only? Long time ago people keep saying don't buy that monster brand cable because they bullshit with all their gas injection blah blah blah technology. But now people are saying different cables produce different sound?     
you using this type of copper for your cables?

I'm checking out the minidsp 88, it looks pretty interesting. Would you say that getting this 88A is a better route than buying an overpriced pre-pro?
The picture to me makes no sense at all. Why would a piece of plastic tube change how resistance in a cable work? The picture shows it's just shifting the copper cores to the edge, why would that... change the sound? Mind explaining the science? Maybe I'm too stupid to understand the picture.

1. I don't know if my ears can tell the difference because I have not even tried any cables yet. But I can't just go spend 10k on a variety of cables then choose which is best right?
2. Don't know, that's why I'm choosing the equipments to go with it now. But why does cable matching to speakers matter in the first place??
3. Right now I believe they are just bullshitting their product (like this audioquest or monster for example), but then there are so many people that swear by it and it makes a difference.
If no name cable is good enough, then that's good. Save me few thousand which I put in to speakers.