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This post has been edited by kevinlim001: Jul 17 2020, 05:44 PM

Ah mistaken with 7015 my bad... thanks for the correction

Audyssey flat sound fuller? They will not remove much high freq as of ref.. easier for movie but maybe not as good for music..

Yea try without power amp it can be upgraded later..

BTW from whom u bought ur ultra and pinnacles?

My ultra is piano gloss finishing and its reflecting TV light.. that kind of reflection.. hehe

U reckon the Marantz 7055 rated at 140W won't bring much difference from Denon 6700's internal amp (also 140W but not sure what exactly is the power when all channels are connected) since the Pinnacles are rated at 300W max?
you had done quite some homework... it will bring differences..
1) 6700 rate 140W when 2 channel is playing.. from what i am seeing here you are trying to play at least 5.1.4 or 7.1.4.. my best guess you might be getting somewhere close to 100w for your LCR.which is something impressive enough.. but7055 acting as a power amp you are getting pure power per channel - 140w
2) 7055 is a class AB amp compare to 6700 class D amp..
I would say it will bring noticeable differences but if you are demanding you can get bigger power amp

Oh, that kind of reflection haha. Put a piece of black cloth on the top?
yea maybe..

do you know for SVS speakers.. Maxx is the distributor for Malaysia? If you are buying speaker from him u can consider to ask him about emotiva... unless u r buying svs from sg then its a different story

Next, I need to pull some ceiling wires. I'm thinking of the Prime Elevation as front heights, front firing . Another set, as back heights but side firing from the left and right wall, cos I have an L shaped room. Will this setup have diminished Atmos effects?
front height no problem but its more to dts-x setup.. if u r not too particular atmos will work also..
back heights if you are putting at wall, you might be getting surround feel instead of atmos ceiling..

yes bro.. looking at what you had described 6700 should be enough to drive a small room. Power amp can come later while you are deciding which to get.

i m from johor and i travel to KL for all these equipments.. most of the JB dealer do not have ready stock.. JB market too small for hifi/ht enthusiasts

if ceiling is possible, do ceiling setup you wont regret for it.. reflective atmos are on n off.. some will work some it doesnt... i had the atmos reflection demo from CMY before its impressive under controlled enviroment.

yea i m in JB.. TT no prob..

i know but what you are proposing but sharing some of what i had experienced

no problem bro

i think either audyssey or ypao does the same thing just to balance out the vol output from all speakers, to decide the crossover for speaker (normally required manual adjustment), the timing of each speaker reaching out your ears (timing / distance). If you do it properly i dont think its an issue.. even audyssey ppl r complaining that it sucks...

i m not a yamaha user thou.. better let other shifu comment abt this

This post has been edited by kevinlim001: Jul 30 2020, 05:56 AM

agree with sonerin.. besides crossover.. which i dont even care what audyssey is giving me... i will just change it to the setting i want. the more important is the management of frequency response (equalizer) to compensate the room acoustic treatments.. this is where error mostly sit.. like the location of the mic, the tripod used, the height of the mic etc etc.. a good software will give better sound treatment even for audyssey are different standards..
Audyssey MultiEQ XT vs Audyssey MultiEQ XT32
i believe even with denon flagship x8500 they still give the lousy audyssey mic..



thats why there are professional audio installer that will tweak the system with the best configuration for your listening environment.

This post has been edited by kevinlim001: Aug 4 2020, 03:05 PM

I heard people say use good power cables and speaker cables is better instead of spending so much on room treatment which look ugly.

its two different topic.. good power cables and speaker cables will provide better and consistence power to your unit and speaker.. its like giving good fuel to your car.. provided you can feel it

room treatment ugly.. yea maybe but it helps to cut echo .. to trap bass. etc etc

what exactly you are listening? and your ypao mic is another thing that create differences in the room calculation..

each of the manufacturer have their own technology under their selves.. of cos they will promote the best out of it to maximize profit.. merc also promote their S class is the best.. but u still can get maybac there

is denon/marantz the best? their flagship is merely 10-20k.. any decent stereo amp can more exp.. premium brand like
Lyndorf cost >40k for AVR



speaking of minidsp its the dsp that is specialized in room correction rather than all in 1 ypao or audyssey.. if you only have 1 sub and if you are getting decent audio out of it then u might not have to invest.. but i will recommend if you have multiple sub in your room.

dont poison me la bro.. i still stuck with XT and XT32 have better bass management and frequency response for room correction...already tempted wan upgrade but AVR now price hike

i m still old school playing lossless file (HDMA/TrueHD) from HDD

power and speaker cable itself doesn't come cheap if you willing to spurge on it. for speaker cable i am using normal directional ofc cable. I dont feel any premium upgrade over the pasar malam speaker cable.. for power cable u can look for furutech and look for rhodium that had gone thru cryogenic treatment..

its very subjective when it comes to speaker cables.. some like silver over gold due to the nature of the conductor that may give u better high some better mid..

for power cable the most important is the stability it brings but your incoming power will affect your system output "cleanliness". You may ended up need to start over again from your fuse box with new cables, new power socket etc etc

normally for home theater, we rarely discuss this part because HT we focus more on the number of speakers on ground or ceiling, the picture quality from tv/projector and the type of subwoofer we used.

hifi audiophile are serious (not all but there are HT enthusiast also) more into the speaker cable / power cable as they only have 2 speakers to drive and they wan to make the max out from there. And the dynamic frequency of music also much wider as compare to movies. The same song they play over and over again and they can spot the different. HT we normally dont play the same movie everyday and try to listen the differences out of it

the comment is based my own experience. you first need to know what kind of output you are looking for before you invest. If you are a movie person, try to salvage your situation with Yamaha.. spend sometime to learn how to do proper setup with YPAO, change the speaker placement (toe in, distance from wall), consider subwoofer upgrade/go for dual subwoofer). Apply some simple room acoustic treatment like thicker curtain if you are using curtain and put on some carpet to reduce reflection from floor.

Look for the root of the problem else you will be in the same spot again after 1 year

your A850 how many speakers you are driving? what is the cross over setting for your speakers and sub? have u tried to take your own measurement of speaker distance against ypao setup?

This post has been edited by kevinlim001: Aug 6 2020, 10:06 AM

here is some reading on the speaker cables: Speaker Cables.

Does Speaker Cables Make A Difference?

Its a lot of factor to consider like oxidization, awg, length, if you are sensitive the characteristic from the conductivity will affect your frequency. It is snake oil because there's a lot factor to be considered and its very expensive to invest on good speaker wire.. with the same amount maybe i can get better speaker or subwoofer which will bring more significant improvement as compare to change of speaker wire.

since you are doing remake, you should consider a separate power supply for your AV room. Pull it from your fuse box and use quality cooper wire. If your room is dedicated, you can plan for diffuser/bass trap/fiber board if required.

If you need 7 channel you need space to place rear speakers or you can get 2in 1 speakers if you run out of space. depends on the design of the speaker cabinet but most speaker prefers to be placed away from wall to reduce the bass blooming

You dont have to spend a lot on AVR, just spend on avr that have decent number of preout.. you can get external amp later as an upgrade. AVR technology gets out of date soon. This year 8K AVR had launched. in another 5 years down the road new system will be introduced. My AVR still running 4k without atmos. Its still working but i cant enjoy atmos unless i upgrade it.

You haven started with subwoofer, once you have subwoofer you will be having problem if your room is not acoustic treated.. you might have issue like standing sound wave.. placement of sub to get the sweet bass spot etc etc

some branded cables they have their technology (mixed of different iron to give different output) but at the end of the day is for you to believe.

dipole can solve ur limited behind seat issue but due to the nature of the sharing cabinet you cant play with the distance between rear and surround. pros and are there con of cos the best still to have individual speakers

x6700 & x4700 doesnt received good review but you can go for either the flagship x8500 or more budget x3600 if you want to try audyssey xt32. Looking further also they claim that they have used a batch of cap that is inferior for the latest model. Could be solve in the newer batch. Else i think yamaha have something up their sleeves also.. I remember yamaha has their virtual surround technology for their own branding that received good review.

a lot of us are using svs here. me personally also using svs they have good customer service and they have the technology to outperform competitor with similar pricing..

This post has been edited by kevinlim001: Aug 8 2020, 06:54 AM

have you tune it with your ypao? are you statisfy with current frequency response/bass?
what you are planning to do with ur GEQ with your speakers?

This post has been edited by kevinlim001: Aug 8 2020, 11:46 AM

i agree with this somehow.. another seperate topic for speaker cables and power cables can be created for this purpose.. that can lead to a lot of suggestion

PEQ is all at center (0 db) allowing you to adjust if i understand that correctly..

GEQ comes into picture when ur ypao failed to deliver the flat response (or desire response) after you have perform measurement using other measurement tools (eg REW).. you may notice some dip in frequency range or some undersire peak on the frequency range graph then you can tune it using GEQ. I am asking this question because if you are able to tell me which freq u notice having dip then u can adjust that particular freq.. if you know that then just go ahead and adjust ur geq.

AVR is build purpose is for movies.. its not as balance or as dedicated as hifi stereo amp in terms of music output.. other AVR may have same issue unless their are music oriented sound processor like Marantz or NAD

For your AVR, you only have issue with music and not movies? Have you tried to change it to stereo mode/pure direct mode? How do u feel with the sound output with those mode?

This post has been edited by kevinlim001: Aug 8 2020, 05:03 PM

no.. some mix different iron.. even with copper itself they will have 1 core and several smaller strands surrounding the core..
for eg qed silver anniversary cable - they trademarked their x tube technology


then u can also see the technology applied by audioquest
Rocket 88

i am just giving an example..i am not saying these cables are the best.

Each manufacturer know what is lack in their cable/standard cable design (noise? lack of treble? lack of clarity?) - they will try to overcome the problem by introducing their own technology. this is what i meant.

gas injection is something new to me.. but cryogenic treated power cables seems to be hot nowadays

But now people are saying different cables produce different sound?
whats wrong with that? if cable is all the same why would ppl spend more money to buy exp cables? the problem here is

1) Can ur ears tell the diferrences?
2) is ur equipment / speakers capable to showcase the differences..
3) if the manufacturing are overselling their product?