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post Apr 17 2020, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(arslow @ Apr 16 2020, 10:24 PM)
Does it makes sense for me, who only has 1 sub with no plans to get another in the near future to get a minidsp 2x4hd?it seems like a product for those who have more than 1 sub. But isn't it also to overall help with frequency response across the front speakers too, apart from sub?
And it also helps with eliminating nulls which may still happen with 1 sub due to the room?

Thinking I should perhaps only get the UMIK 1 for now and try to smooth out the response as much as possible using that.
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Yes it makes sense IMO to get a minidsp even if you only have 1 sub. No auto room correction on the mainstream receivers are good enough to solve bass issues anyway. MiniDSP isn't going to fix everything inherrent with single sub problems though. You will still have to do some work to intergrate the sub as best as possible with the rest of your room.

UMIK-1 is only a mic, it doesn't do anything for you other than measure and let you know what's wrong with your system. I see that you are using a PB2000 and not a Pro, so you can't use the SVS app to dial in the PEQ needed from the data you get with REW. If you're going to use the Audyssey app with your receiver, I think you might as well just stick with Audyssey and not buy anything.

Get the whole package of minidsp 2x4HD + UMIK1 if you can.
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post Apr 17 2020, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 17 2020, 12:55 AM)
Yes it makes sense IMO to get a minidsp even if you only have 1 sub. No auto room correction on the mainstream receivers are good enough to solve bass issues anyway. MiniDSP isn't going to fix everything inherrent with single sub problems though. You will still have to do some work to intergrate the sub as best as possible with the rest of your room.

UMIK-1 is only a mic, it doesn't do anything for you other than measure and let you know what's wrong with your system. I see that you are using a PB2000 and not a Pro, so you can't use the SVS app to dial in the PEQ needed from the data you get with REW. If you're going to use the Audyssey app with your receiver, I think you might as well just stick with Audyssey and not buy anything.

Get the whole package of minidsp 2x4HD + UMIK1 if you can.
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Boss, mind to clarify, i cant understand how u hook up this minidsp to your system. I dont see hdmi all i see is toslink and rca. thanks
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Apr 17 2020, 08:03 AM)
Boss, mind to clarify, i cant understand how u hook up this minidsp to your system. I dont see hdmi all i see is toslink and rca. thanks
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combine to avr pre out rca port
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Apr 17 2020, 08:03 AM)
Boss, mind to clarify, i cant understand how u hook up this minidsp to your system. I dont see hdmi all i see is toslink and rca. thanks
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There are pre-outs on my receiver. Just connect it to the input on the minidsp 2x4HD via RCA.

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post Apr 18 2020, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 17 2020, 12:55 AM)
Yes it makes sense IMO to get a minidsp even if you only have 1 sub. No auto room correction on the mainstream receivers are good enough to solve bass issues anyway. MiniDSP isn't going to fix everything inherrent with single sub problems though. You will still have to do some work to intergrate the sub as best as possible with the rest of your room.

UMIK-1 is only a mic, it doesn't do anything for you other than measure and let you know what's wrong with your system. I see that you are using a PB2000 and not a Pro, so you can't use the SVS app to dial in the PEQ needed from the data you get with REW. If you're going to use the Audyssey app with your receiver, I think you might as well just stick with Audyssey and not buy anything.

Get the whole package of minidsp 2x4HD + UMIK1 if you can.
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Thanks Ben for the reply. I mean it's not an issue to purchase both but rather to see if it even makes sense for me since, like you say, I can't use the PEQ data from REW to be put back into the sub.

I guess then that means if I forgo audyssey and do manual room correction by using 2x4hd and UMIK-1, I'll only be able to help my speakers rather than my sub?

I think I should watch through the 90 minutes video in Home Teather Guru's YouTube channel on minidsp to understand better. I might not have gotten your point fully.
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QUOTE(arslow @ Apr 18 2020, 12:24 PM)
Thanks Ben for the reply. I mean it's not an issue to purchase both but rather to see if it even makes sense for me since, like you say, I can't use the PEQ data from REW to be put back into the sub.

I guess then that means if I forgo audyssey and do manual room correction by using 2x4hd and UMIK-1, I'll only be able to help my speakers rather than my sub?

I think I should watch through the 90 minutes video in Home Teather Guru's YouTube channel on minidsp to understand better. I might not have gotten your point fully.
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If you want to keep Atmos, then no you can't actually correct all your speakers. But there is no point to actually.

The thing is, EQing anything above the room transition frequency (which is usally 300-350hz) can become detrimental. The reason for that is because mics become very directional above 400hz, much more directional than our human ears (yes, our human ears suck - real bad). This means that many auto room EQ tend to overcompensate (especially YPAO and MCACC due to them using a form IRR filters) and correct much more than they need to which in turn harms your mid range and more importantly, kill or overboost your treble region.

There is a laymen way of saying turning on audyssey muffles everything or YPAO makes everything sound too bright, although that's not technically accurate and they don't understand why it's doing it - the notion makes sense as a whole.

You can get a minidsp and EQ the frequencies below 100hz (or whatever your crossover point is set to below that). Then use Audyssey (note: only the Audyssey app allows you to limit the range of EQ, the built-in one on the receiver does not) to correct everything else from 100hz to 300-500hz. Leave the rest alone.

Yes watch HT Guru's video as well as Audioholics. They are good starting points to understanding minidsp and REW more. Then come over to the avsforum REW thread if you need more technical questions answered.

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 18 2020, 04:19 PM)
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If you want to keep Atmos, then no you can't actually correct all your speakers. But there is no point to actually.

The thing is, EQing anything above the room transition frequency (which is usally 300-350hz) can become detrimental. The reason for that is because mics become very directional above 400hz, much more directional than our human ears (yes, our human ears suck - real bad). This means that many auto room EQ tend to overcompensate (especially YPAO and MCACC due to them using a form IRR filters) and correct much more than they need to which in turn harms your mid range and more importantly, kill or overboost your treble region.

There is a laymen way of saying turning on audyssey muffles everything or YPAO makes everything sound too bright, although that's not technically accurate and they don't understand why it's doing it - the notion makes sense as a whole.

You can get a minidsp and EQ the frequencies below 100hz (or whatever your crossover point is set to below that). Then use Audyssey (note: only the Audyssey app allows you to limit the range of EQ, the built-in one on the receiver does not) to correct everything else from 100hz to 300-500hz. Leave the rest alone.

Yes watch HT Guru's video as well as Audioholics. They are good starting points to understanding minidsp and REW more. Then come over to the avsforum REW thread if you need more technical questions answered.
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Thanks man, it's so much clearer now. Yes I've been seeing many talking about how room correction touching anything above 300 as a bad thing, now I understand why.

I have the app now although it wants me to re do the calibration at first launch. I'm gonna just get the minidsp and umik 1 and use it to eq the sub and then use the app for 100-300hz at the same time.

Was using 60hz as the crossover for a while before but for the past few weeks 100hz has been really good and fuller sounding.

Yes, will ask further questions over avsforum REW thread once I have the devices. Thanks again!
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QUOTE(arslow @ Apr 19 2020, 01:57 PM)
Thanks man, it's so much clearer now. Yes I've been seeing many talking about how room correction touching anything above 300 as a bad thing, now I understand why.

I have the app now although it wants me to re do the calibration at first launch. I'm gonna just get the minidsp and umik 1 and use it to eq the sub and then use the app for 100-300hz at the same time.

Was using 60hz as the crossover for a while before but for the past few weeks 100hz has been really good and fuller sounding.

Yes, will ask further questions over avsforum REW thread once I have the devices. Thanks again!
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Take note minidspb has been out of stock since the lockdown started though.
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Got my elac sub3010, definitely much better than the psb subseries 125 better, the subwoofer tends to blend in better and the rumbling is tight And not only feel bass but with definition. The only thing is it comes with spike foot only and my floor is old school hard wood type, i am purchasing svs soundpath feet for my subwoofer.

Now i revert back to 2.1 as i tried to switch around with centre and without, the sound is abit diff. And i macam get better positioning And soundstage And surround effect without Centre. Felt like if i use center, the sound will like pin point out from center, but i use without center, the sound will macam come from TV. I tried to do YPAO already with centre. My TV sit above my center tho, now become my TV riser lol.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 19 2020, 04:23 PM)
Take note minidspb has been out of stock since the lockdown started though.
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Yup. Wanted to use my leave from 7 May to 11 May for this. No chance now. Sigh.
Even just changing the crossover made such a difference. I clearly remembered using 60 vs 100 when they were new around August last year. Seriously there were no difference. I then left it at 60.

Was reading through some thread on avsforum around Feb and decided to retry again. Massive difference in midbass response. Especially those anime series rips have way more punch now, I Guess due to a lot of frequency between 60-100 being used by them.

I just know there’s so much more potential to get out of this system even when I simply turn on dynamic eq, which is muddy for most movies but for certain ones like Underwater and also Extinction (Netflix original) they made my jaw dropped on many scenes. Feared my house was gonna collapse on me especially on Extinction whenever the huge spaceships started rising up ohmy.gif

Guess I gotta just put an order in and wait for them to arrive.
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post Apr 21 2020, 12:28 AM

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Guys is x-ls encore a good pair of bookshelf for HT purpose? Got bargain price 1 pair selling for less than 1k..
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post Apr 22 2020, 07:32 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Apr 21 2020, 12:28 AM)
Guys is x-ls encore a good pair of bookshelf for HT purpose? Got bargain price 1 pair selling for less than 1k..
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Yes it is
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post Apr 22 2020, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Apr 22 2020, 07:32 AM)
Yes it is
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Ok thanks.. now thinking to keep my waf-1 or replace with x-ls encore which is matching for my x-cs encore.
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Is always best to keep front and center the same type of speakers

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post Apr 23 2020, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Apr 22 2020, 04:42 PM)
Is always best to keep front and center the same type of speakers
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Okies.

Btw wanna ask that should i use power filter like weiduka ac2.2 or ac8.8? I saw other av forum saying that power filter is okay for TV and like console which provide cleaner signal but if run amp or av receiver or amplifier over it may have impact on the soundstage and dynamic.

So i not sure i should buy 1 now or not..
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i tested a few combination. amp & tv connect to unfilter port =best.
so meaning that extension is not effective to my usage.
rather spend on heavvy duty wall socket, plug top & fat cable
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QUOTE(ktek @ Apr 23 2020, 10:48 PM)
i tested a few combination. amp & tv connect to unfilter port =best.
so meaning that extension is not effective to my usage.
rather spend on heavvy duty wall socket, plug top & fat cable
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Ohh ok.. so extension i just buy any shud be ok?
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Apr 23 2020, 10:52 PM)
Ohh ok.. so extension i just buy any shud be ok?
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msia brand are ok. i use UMS 8513N grey body 5 gang with diy long cable. i also sell a lot to customer factory the 4gang version. very tahan.

the china filter was a gift from fren. similar shape to weiduka.
i dont like becos not independant switch & no improvement.
i open inside see quite neat work, and then i did something (lupa) to the wire loop in between each outlet
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Is it ok to use center spk stand with width smaller by 8 inche. My center spk is 23 inches in width but the spk stand plate width is only 13 inches
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QUOTE(ktek @ Apr 23 2020, 11:27 PM)
msia brand are ok. i use UMS 8513N grey body 5 gang with diy long cable. i also sell a lot to customer factory the 4gang version. very tahan.

the china filter was a gift from fren. similar shape to weiduka.
i dont like becos not independant switch & no improvement.
i open inside see quite neat work, and then i did something (lupa) to the wire loop in between each outlet
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okies.. thinking buying this one comes with surge protector and also got individual switch

https://shopee.com.my/(-COVID19-SALE-)-HUNT...7113.5916104459

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