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post Sep 25 2019, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(sound&movie @ Sep 23 2019, 05:08 PM)
Hi Sonerin,
I’ve checked that most TV ARC HDMI do not support 5.1 surround. Only Stereo.
With your recommendation mean I lost the high quality sound, right?
Any other solution to this?
Thanks in advance.
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Tv with ARC can pass through 5.1 lossy format like DTS and AC3

Anything more than that you need eARC which will be able to pass through even Atmos.

Most newer TVs support eARC I believe.
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post Sep 27 2019, 06:44 AM

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QUOTE(sound&movie @ Sep 27 2019, 12:34 AM)
Hi Arslow,
Thanks for your message.
I need to check which TV do have eARC.
have you known anyone using eARC?
As I read from internet, eARC need both device eARC compatible.
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I have to be honest. What I’ve posted is the theory. Whether it works is another story. The new C9 by LG for example supports eARC but it seems like it isn’t without its own share of issues.

If I were you rather than trying to make ARC work I would retire the almost a decade old AVR160 and get a new receiver.

I’m using the Denon x1500 for a month now and an Super happy with it. It’s a 2.5k investment and will save you from the eARC headache.

And then once you’re ready you can get whatever 4K tv out there as you would already have a proper receiver with Atmos support.
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post Dec 13 2019, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(kskoay @ Dec 2 2019, 08:58 AM)
Finally I'm done with my new home-theater set refresh ^^

TV: OLED LG 65C9
Receiver: Yamaha RX-A1080
Center speaker: Klipsch RP-500C
Front speaker: Klipsch RP-600M
Atmos speaker: Klipsch R-41SA (mounted and configured as front height)
Subwoofer: Klipsch R100SW
Surround speaker: Polk Audio Signature S10

so much of improvement compare to my old set below  rclxm9.gif
TV: Sharp 40 inch LED
Receiver" Yamaha RX-V671
5.1 speakers: Yamaha satellite speakers + subwoofer, cannot remember which model
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Nice! But why not the rp500sa? Anyway how well or apparent are the front heights for you in atmos movies?

Are they mounted on the wall parallel to the rp600m?

Still confused as to which elevation speakers to get and how to mount them personally... But may get the svs prime elevation and mount them at a top middle sort of config for now, and only get another two for the rear heights once the receiver is upgraded.


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post Dec 15 2019, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(kskoay @ Dec 14 2019, 09:50 PM)
Yes, almost parallel to 600m, honest speaking atmos speaker still advisable to use ceiling speaker ....pls try the demo at show room then you will know the difference
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Am one of those from the "impossible to mount on ceiling" gang so only height would work.

Even for this wiring is gonna be a mess hence why am still thinking, for the first two, just where are they gonna be mounted... Decisions, decisions...
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post Dec 17 2019, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Dec 15 2019, 07:32 PM)
Not sure what is your situation, if you have down light with plaster ceiling than is easy to solve, even wire will be easily hide
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Hence why it’s not easy to solve...as it’s concrete ceiling smile.gif
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post Dec 24 2019, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Dec 23 2019, 06:23 PM)
Putting this nice acoustic panel on the wall[attachmentid=10379012]
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Are those dual pb16 ultras??
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post Dec 25 2019, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Dec 24 2019, 11:35 PM)
PB16 ultra and SB16 ultra
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post Feb 1 2020, 05:35 AM

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QUOTE(frantic912 @ Jan 30 2020, 10:55 PM)
hello guy...
i just wanna change my current blu ray home theater to used set av receiver and just found this option
1. denon avr-2803
2. denon avr-1706
3. Yamaha RX-V540
4. Yamaha RX-V450

which u guy think is better one....?
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All of those seems to be over 15 years old. Is your budget around 100myr or what? As I wouldn't pay more than that for those sweat.gif

They don't even have hdmi ports, you sure you wanna go for them?

Try to go for the onkyo sr252 at the very least. Only about 1.2k new and it supports most if not all of the latest standards.

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post Feb 1 2020, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(frantic912 @ Feb 1 2020, 07:54 AM)
laugh.gif  laugh.gif hahaha no la...just found this set when i go thru this online site
so i just wanna try it....so i can consider this antique already....ok2 thank mate

where i can get sr252 in KL area..?
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Style laser has it. My whole system (except the sub) was from them. They can also help with wiring if needed.

https://www.stylelaser.com.my/product/onkyo...el-av-receiver/
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post Apr 16 2020, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 10 2020, 07:54 PM)
Phase is the signal in which the sub plays, whether it is in or out of phase. In 0 degrees, the driver will be driving forwards (as if it's exhaling), in 180 degrees it does the opposite. Depending on the sub, some allows variable phase so you can set between 0 to 180. MiniDSP allows you to manipulate it further by using filters as well.

There is no golden number and a "good value" to follow is not accurate. It depends on how you locate your subs. If you just put in the front, generally 0 degree phase is recommended but sometimes you may want to change it if you're doing stereo bass for example.

Phase is important when you put subs in opposite directions of a room. You have to measure at your MLP with a calibrated mic to see what's going on with your room acoustics to determine what phase value to use. Just tuning by ear is illogical because the directionality of human ears are trash below 80hz.
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Does it makes sense for me, who only has 1 sub with no plans to get another in the near future to get a minidsp 2x4hd?it seems like a product for those who have more than 1 sub. But isn't it also to overall help with frequency response across the front speakers too, apart from sub?
And it also helps with eliminating nulls which may still happen with 1 sub due to the room?

Thinking I should perhaps only get the UMIK 1 for now and try to smooth out the response as much as possible using that.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 17 2020, 12:55 AM)
Yes it makes sense IMO to get a minidsp even if you only have 1 sub. No auto room correction on the mainstream receivers are good enough to solve bass issues anyway. MiniDSP isn't going to fix everything inherrent with single sub problems though. You will still have to do some work to intergrate the sub as best as possible with the rest of your room.

UMIK-1 is only a mic, it doesn't do anything for you other than measure and let you know what's wrong with your system. I see that you are using a PB2000 and not a Pro, so you can't use the SVS app to dial in the PEQ needed from the data you get with REW. If you're going to use the Audyssey app with your receiver, I think you might as well just stick with Audyssey and not buy anything.

Get the whole package of minidsp 2x4HD + UMIK1 if you can.
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Thanks Ben for the reply. I mean it's not an issue to purchase both but rather to see if it even makes sense for me since, like you say, I can't use the PEQ data from REW to be put back into the sub.

I guess then that means if I forgo audyssey and do manual room correction by using 2x4hd and UMIK-1, I'll only be able to help my speakers rather than my sub?

I think I should watch through the 90 minutes video in Home Teather Guru's YouTube channel on minidsp to understand better. I might not have gotten your point fully.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 18 2020, 04:19 PM)
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If you want to keep Atmos, then no you can't actually correct all your speakers. But there is no point to actually.

The thing is, EQing anything above the room transition frequency (which is usally 300-350hz) can become detrimental. The reason for that is because mics become very directional above 400hz, much more directional than our human ears (yes, our human ears suck - real bad). This means that many auto room EQ tend to overcompensate (especially YPAO and MCACC due to them using a form IRR filters) and correct much more than they need to which in turn harms your mid range and more importantly, kill or overboost your treble region.

There is a laymen way of saying turning on audyssey muffles everything or YPAO makes everything sound too bright, although that's not technically accurate and they don't understand why it's doing it - the notion makes sense as a whole.

You can get a minidsp and EQ the frequencies below 100hz (or whatever your crossover point is set to below that). Then use Audyssey (note: only the Audyssey app allows you to limit the range of EQ, the built-in one on the receiver does not) to correct everything else from 100hz to 300-500hz. Leave the rest alone.

Yes watch HT Guru's video as well as Audioholics. They are good starting points to understanding minidsp and REW more. Then come over to the avsforum REW thread if you need more technical questions answered.
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Thanks man, it's so much clearer now. Yes I've been seeing many talking about how room correction touching anything above 300 as a bad thing, now I understand why.

I have the app now although it wants me to re do the calibration at first launch. I'm gonna just get the minidsp and umik 1 and use it to eq the sub and then use the app for 100-300hz at the same time.

Was using 60hz as the crossover for a while before but for the past few weeks 100hz has been really good and fuller sounding.

Yes, will ask further questions over avsforum REW thread once I have the devices. Thanks again!
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 19 2020, 04:23 PM)
Take note minidspb has been out of stock since the lockdown started though.
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Yup. Wanted to use my leave from 7 May to 11 May for this. No chance now. Sigh.
Even just changing the crossover made such a difference. I clearly remembered using 60 vs 100 when they were new around August last year. Seriously there were no difference. I then left it at 60.

Was reading through some thread on avsforum around Feb and decided to retry again. Massive difference in midbass response. Especially those anime series rips have way more punch now, I Guess due to a lot of frequency between 60-100 being used by them.

I just know there’s so much more potential to get out of this system even when I simply turn on dynamic eq, which is muddy for most movies but for certain ones like Underwater and also Extinction (Netflix original) they made my jaw dropped on many scenes. Feared my house was gonna collapse on me especially on Extinction whenever the huge spaceships started rising up ohmy.gif

Guess I gotta just put an order in and wait for them to arrive.
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post May 1 2020, 08:52 PM

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Just got umik 1 and minidsp with an rca cable for 309usd including shipping. Not sure when will it actually ship though. Hopefully its not too long.

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ May 2 2020, 08:01 AM)
bro i see ur receiver is x1500h, dont have pre-out, how u plan connect the minidsp? or u only plan to connect the subwoofer
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Only subwoofer, yes. Most ppl use minidsp only for subwoofer from what I can see.

So plan is to calibrate 100-300hz using audyssey app and 0-100 on REW using the minidsp and the UMIK 1. I believe its possible to set lower limit as well as upper limit using the app.
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Damn.... I just got slapped with a 190MYR duty import fee by DHL
On the plus side my order on 1st May is slated to reach me by today... didn't expect that!

But I presume I'll have to pay the import tax first before they deliver it to me right? Lol.
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QUOTE(ktek @ May 5 2020, 10:40 AM)
sakit。。。。。 usually yes. make sure account is legit (not scammer).
i receive a lot fake DHL in work email.
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Thanks for the info ktek. Yes it's legit from https://del.dhl.com

Just paid it... Pain but if not can't get it as DHL tracking site also mentioned payment required... Now it says out for delivery.

Better be worth it LOL
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Its here.... I know what I'm doing for the long 7-11 May break!
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QUOTE(voscar @ May 5 2020, 11:40 PM)
Import duty fee how many % ? About 10% of your item price?
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PayPal charged me 1389MYR for the 309USD items

So about 13% lol since it was 190MYR...
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post May 9 2020, 06:17 AM

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Btw the minidsp and umik 1 with REW has been pretty interesting I would say.

I’ll surely need to do a few more rounds of tests and push the PEQ to the minidsp a number of times

So far the PEQ I have kinda makes the sub quieter than usual BUT I think it’s due to me doing the EQ at 75db SPL while my usual listening volume is only around 42db and maybe 53db max when I really wanna bring the house down (seriously any more than that makes me anxious of getting neighbours knocking my door lol)

Will share my graph later but I have a null at around 26-30 hz and a pretty bad null at around 70-80hz

From the home theatre guru video I watched I should be able to alter the input PEQ somewhat to help with those nulls hence may try that on the next iteration. Of course not as good as trying to reposition sub or getting a second unit!

Very interesting to see how the graph changes by doing slight changes like closing the door which is pretty close to the sub compared to it open for example.

Audyssey Multeq app is also pretty good but I’m confused as to wether when I’ve done the EQ using REW and then run audyssey does it end up double EQing the sub frequency.

What I do before running the sub EQ is to disable audyssey on the Denon by changing it from Reference to Off. Although I notice the distance and levels are still there after doing that, perhaps those don’t relate to the room correction audyssey does.

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