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jamesleetech
post Jul 4 2016, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Jul 4 2016, 03:42 PM)
Oh why not consider B&W
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All options are open so B&W will be another one to audition too. Unfortunately the distributor at Jaya One, Petaling Jaya was moving out to another location and they had a "clearance sale"... when I went there about a week ago, all better models have already been sold off and also no high end speaker model to test.

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post Jul 4 2016, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Jul 4 2016, 03:43 PM)
All options are open so B&W will be another one to audition too. Unfortunately the distributor at Jaya One, Petaling Jaya was moving out to another location and they had a "clearance sale"... when I went there about a week ago, all better models have already been sold off and also no high end speaker model to test.
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Their new show room is in the garden. I am sure you can go there to try it out. The showroom has the 800 series always
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post Jul 4 2016, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Jun 30 2016, 10:44 PM)
no sub, normally put sw = no
front is forced as large. the rest can choose.
all bass will push from large spk include 0.1 LFE signal

u can insist sw=yes
crossover point will filter out the bass to rca port. u get no bass.
if u dont want goto menu change, try the double bass i mentioned above post
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Ok, thanks for the tips. Yamaha calls it "Extra Bass" and can be easily accessed in the option menu - much better than messing around with the speaker setups!! thumbsup.gif
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post Jul 4 2016, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Jul 4 2016, 04:24 PM)
Their new show room is in the garden. I am sure you can go there to try it out. The showroom has the 800 series always
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Hehe... the guy at Jaya One old showroom told me. Will give them some time to settle down first. Thanks.
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post Jul 4 2016, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(teop @ Jul 4 2016, 04:31 PM)
Ok, thanks for the tips. Yamaha calls it "Extra Bass" and can be easily accessed in the option menu - much better than messing around with the speaker setups!!  :thumbsup:
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just happen i got same usage as ur situation. so why not tunjuk ajar...
extra bass, yes yamaha avr use this name
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post Jul 4 2016, 05:09 PM

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post Jul 4 2016, 05:10 PM

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Also using my Intel NUC i5 computer connected by USB to my M2Tech Young DSD DAC + Van de Graaf Power Supply. My M2Tech DAC is output using XLR to my McIntosh MX122.

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My blue WD External USB harddisk connected to my NUC PC.

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MY M2Tech Young DSD DAC and Van De Graaf Power Supply.

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Using Foobar set to DoP to play DSD64 audio file.

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post Jul 4 2016, 05:12 PM

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I had audition the m2tech is really a very nice dac
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post Jul 4 2016, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 30 2016, 06:14 PM)
1) You won't get any output because most MUSIC does not have notes below 60hz. What music did you test with? I can play Tron's soundtrack in pure direct mode and my sub will indeed be in use once I manually set the crossover on it. That said, I listen to music in "straight" mode or with an upmixer most of the time.
3) Bass management has been a common method since the 90s, it's not a hack, it's just common sense. Why would a 5.25" or 6.5" driver be able to produce bass below 30hz without distorting and wrecking itself? It's simple physics, think about it for a moment. A sub's driver is usually much bigger, at 8", 10", 12" or even the massive ones going up to 18" or 20".

Then there's also the issue with trying to drive multiple speakers in "Large" mode. You're asking a lot from the puny amps in receivers these days (yes even so called "flagship" ones). They're designed for dynamic power spikes, not a constant draw at long periods of time. You run into the issue of possibly overheating the receiver, they start to clip and then they would go into OVP. Leave the bass to the sub (which often times come with amps multiple times larger than what receivers have), leave the midrange and high-end to the individual speakers.
4) I'm not talking about modes. I'm talking about the SCENES on the Yamaha receiver. They're just different presets that the user can overide with their own settings, so I'm just suggesting you have different "SCENES" set for different listening conditions. Check the manual, it's all there. Too long to explain the steps here.
For the center channel, it really does depend on how it is designed. Not all center channels benefit from setting itself at a lower crossover just so voices can sound "deeper". Because there are certain CCs where then voices can become boomy and muddy, robbing it of detail. Not to mention if there's a panning of effects from any direction, things can sound "weird". Designing a center channel is a lot more complicated than just the L/R bookshelf or tower. Cabinet size being the main concern, driver size being another, then internal crossover can usually be a lot more complex as well depending on the design.

Many enthusiasts would use 3 identical speakers for the LCR, be it bookshelf or towers, place them at exactly the same height and at ear height position behind an acoustically transparent screen.

I find that many people seem to like their center speakers to sound a bit "warm" simply because the voice would be deeper. It's preference of course, but sometimes when you think logically, what if the actor's voice is just genuinely "thin" sounding in the first place?
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1) YPAO suggested 110Hz for crossover which I kinda agree with that provided the proper balance for me. I'm playing CDs ripped in FLAC from USB. I guessed it is because I didn't turn on "Extra Bass" for the sub to function when speaker = large as mentioned by ktek.

4) Yes I know how to set the SCENEs but afaik the manual only mention setting the input source, sound program and compressed music enhancer. So I was wondering it there is something I missed. hmm.gif

Yes I do agree with your point on the center speaker.
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post Jul 4 2016, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Jul 4 2016, 05:12 PM)
I had audition the m2tech is really a very nice dac
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Bought it from the dealer in Amcorp Mall in 2014 at RM 8495 for both the M2Tech DAC and M2Tech PSU.
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post Jul 4 2016, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Jul 4 2016, 05:18 PM)
Bought it from the dealer in Amcorp Mall in 2014 at RM 8495 for both the M2Tech DAC and M2Tech PSU.
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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Jul 4 2016, 05:10 PM)
Also using my Intel NUC i5 computer connected by USB to my M2Tech Young DSD DAC + Van de Graaf Power Supply. My M2Tech DAC is output using XLR to my McIntosh MX122.

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My blue WD External USB harddisk connected to my NUC PC.

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MY M2Tech Young DSD DAC and Van De Graaf Power Supply.

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Using Foobar set to DoP to play DSD64 audio file.
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It will be a lot nicer to use Linux for cleaner sound
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post Jul 4 2016, 05:30 PM

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post Jul 4 2016, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Jul 4 2016, 05:24 PM)
It will be a lot nicer to use Linux for cleaner sound
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I agree. I don't know whether this M2Tech DAC works without any driver setup on Debian Linux OS because I have not tried it yet. Also haven't tested Music Player Daemon (mpd) and also to find out on how to configure it to play DSD and DSF files. I can do it but I "think" its not so easy for people who is not tech savvy in Linux.

Have a look here for info on setting up Music Player Daemon...
https://lacocina.nl/audiophile-mpd

I also prefer to use my Apple MacBook Pro (13.3in) notebook to play through M2Tech DAC and also Oppo HA-1 Headphone DAC too.

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post Jul 4 2016, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Jul 4 2016, 05:22 PM)
Acoustic system
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Yes, Mr Lim. Hehehe... you DO know many hifi/av dealers in Klang Valley. You must be an audiophile kaki.
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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Jul 4 2016, 05:47 PM)
Yes, Mr Lim. Hehehe... you DO know many hifi/av dealers in Klang Valley. You must be an audiophile kaki.
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I won't consider myself audiophile but is more like a hobby. I am not even to high end. You can check this out http://www.ap-linux.com
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post Jul 4 2016, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Jul 4 2016, 07:00 PM)
I won't consider myself audiophile but is more like a hobby. I am not even to high end. You can check this out http://www.ap-linux.com
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Yea, also a hobby for me and more towards Home Theatre with emphasis on audio. Thanks for the link. Good site for reading and getting more relevant info for Linux based audio playback.
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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Jul 4 2016, 08:33 PM)
Yea, also a hobby for me and more towards Home Theatre with emphasis on audio. Thanks for the link. Good site for reading and getting more relevant info for Linux based audio playback.
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No problem. I was into HT a lot more as well. I am currently using raspberry pi2 with volumio as media player. Is very clean sound. Of course with NUC a better CPU will be even better
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Hello sifus, I am a noob to home theater stuff and want to ask a question about HT audio.

I am currently using a cheap no brand av receiver with 5 speaker setup (no subwoofer) with astro byond and blu ray as output to the lg plasma tv with optical out to the av receiver.

astro byond---hdmi--->

tv----optical out (PCM)--->optical to rca converter--->av receiver-->5 speaker

blu ray player-hdmi--->

The question here is why does my speakers sometime output to 2 or 5 speakers eventhough optical PCM can only support max 2.0ch?

It's not really a problem but I find it a bit consistent when changing channels.

I have tried using a 5.1 test video via blu ray and confirmed it's not true 5 ch output.

Edit: Forgot to include optical to rca converter

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post Jul 9 2016, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(lionelzc @ Jul 9 2016, 11:11 AM)
Hello sifus, I am a noob to home theater stuff and want to ask a question about HT audio.

I am currently using a cheap no brand av receiver with 5 speaker setup (no subwoofer) with astro byond and blu ray as output to the lg plasma tv with optical out to the av receiver.

astro byond---hdmi--->

                                      tv----optical out (PCM)--->optical to rca converter--->av receiver-->5 speaker

blu ray player-hdmi--->

The question here is why does my speakers sometime output to 2 or 5 speakers eventhough optical PCM can only support max 2.0ch?

It's not really a problem but I find it a bit consistent when changing channels.

I have tried using a 5.1 test video via blu ray and confirmed it's not true 5 ch output.

Edit: Forgot to include optical to rca converter
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if ur receiver can see input status, will be clear.
possible got dolby prologic (emulated surround effect)

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