If compared with SVS Pb2000, in terms of output and low-frequency extension, it does not dig as deep as PB2000.

Its closest competitor from SVS is the SB2000. The SB2000 will walk over it in multiple circles before the ELAC knows what is happening.

The S12EQ has a very decent volume output, but it lacks finesse. It lacks definition, it can lose control and doesn't go as low as the SB2000's 19hz. That said the S12EQ is a little more "fun" to listen to, due to its slightly more exaggerated mid-bass frequencies hump. The SB2000 in comparison will just sound flat right up to 110hz.

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1) It does seems that you would not get any output from the sub channel for stereo-stereo unless your LR is set to small. Need to reconfirm that by testing again.

3) Out of curiosity, is limiting bass output by setting speakers to small for towers a common method for bass management or simply a hack. Meaning if you have a sub, always set it to small.

4) You can use SCENES for bass management, how do you do that? Is it by selecting different sound mode? (sound program, sur.decode, straight mode and pure direct)

I actually did some test and found that you are right.
For speakers set to large, crossover have no effect on them but the range of sound from the sub would be different (redirect).
For speakers set to small, crossover will limit the range of bass they will be able to produce as well as the range of sound for the sub (remove and redirect).
So the crossover effect really depends on whether the speakers are set to small or large. The capabilities to reproduce them is another matter.
This effect is most noticeable for movies for the center channel as the sound can change from a man with a deep voice to a kid when setting the crossover from 200Hz to 20Hz

1) You won't get any output because most MUSIC does not have notes below 60hz. What music did you test with? I can play Tron's soundtrack in pure direct mode and my sub will indeed be in use once I manually set the crossover on it. That said, I listen to music in "straight" mode or with an upmixer most of the time.


3) Bass management has been a common method since the 90s, it's not a hack, it's just common sense. Why would a 5.25" or 6.5" driver be able to produce bass below 30hz without distorting and wrecking itself? It's simple physics, think about it for a moment. A sub's driver is usually much bigger, at 8", 10", 12" or even the massive ones going up to 18" or 20".

Then there's also the issue with trying to drive multiple speakers in "Large" mode. You're asking a lot from the puny amps in receivers these days (yes even so called "flagship" ones). They're designed for dynamic power spikes, not a constant draw at long periods of time. You run into the issue of possibly overheating the receiver, they start to clip and then they would go into OVP. Leave the bass to the sub (which often times come with amps multiple times larger than what receivers have), leave the midrange and high-end to the individual speakers.


4) I'm not talking about modes. I'm talking about the SCENES on the Yamaha receiver. They're just different presets that the user can overide with their own settings, so I'm just suggesting you have different "SCENES" set for different listening conditions. Check the manual, it's all there. Too long to explain the steps here.


For the center channel, it really does depend on how it is designed. Not all center channels benefit from setting itself at a lower crossover just so voices can sound "deeper". Because there are certain CCs where then voices can become boomy and muddy, robbing it of detail. Not to mention if there's a panning of effects from any direction, things can sound "weird". Designing a center channel is a lot more complicated than just the L/R bookshelf or tower. Cabinet size being the main concern, driver size being another, then internal crossover can usually be a lot more complex as well depending on the design.

Many enthusiasts would use 3 identical speakers for the LCR, be it bookshelf or towers, place them at exactly the same height and at ear height position behind an acoustically transparent screen.

I find that many people seem to like their center speakers to sound a bit "warm" simply because the voice would be deeper. It's preference of course, but sometimes when you think logically, what if the actor's voice is just genuinely "thin" sounding in the first place?

Finally done with my HT

Wow! Very cool setup there bro! Your Tube amp must be very good!

Btw did use any power amp for HT setup?

This post has been edited by stilo10: Jun 30 2016, 09:52 PM

The tube amp is reasonable. No power amp. The tube amp is use in HT as well

nowadays avr has more intelligent. i can set spk = large while use crossover point to subwoofer. denon marantz call double bass. pioneer call sw plus. yamaha also got but forgotten. as long you are not pure direct mode the sw is working.

pure direct 2.0 = 2.0

hold the scene button can setup your sound mode and save.

if u increase crossover for center, should compensate the volume level becos it become easier to push without bass.

no sub, normally put sw = no
front is forced as large. the rest can choose.
all bass will push from large spk include 0.1 LFE signal

u can insist sw=yes
crossover point will filter out the bass to rca port. u get no bass.


if u dont want goto menu change, try the double bass i mentioned above post

I see, so you use tube amp to drive your LR channel?

Yes that is right. The AVR drive the rest including 4 in ceiling speakers

Then the sound must be very nice? If compared using between a power amp and tube amp which one will be better? I think it will sound different with the respective amp and I haven't test tube amp wt HT setup.

Well in HT, so far I don't really hear much different. Is just that class A is good to drive floor stander and it makes the sound a lot fuller

I see, yeah I saw some tube amps are quite reasonably priced and if it's sounds as good as some power amp it is an option to consider. But what about maintenance wise for tube amp, is it expensive especially on the bulbs?

This post has been edited by stilo10: Jul 1 2016, 01:12 PM

Of course tube amp will need to change the tube after some time which solid state amp does not require. Well the tube can be thousands.

I see, so any reason why u chose tube amp instead of power amp for HT setup?

I like the sound of tube amp. Is warmer

Yeah, I like the warm and with a more full-bodied sound of the tube amp too for music but I've never tried using it with the HT setup.

This post has been edited by stilo10: Jul 1 2016, 06:45 PM

It will give you the same effect