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SSJBen
post Oct 11 2016, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(yen187 @ Oct 11 2016, 11:52 AM)
Sifu's,

need some advice.... is there a way to soundproof my AV room?
Currently using Yamaha speakers but I only have my sofa in there so the sound is bouncing from one wall to another maybe a little too much... thinking of putting a carpet but I need more....

any cheap and easy way to have it done?
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Sound proofing and room treatment are 2 different things, please take note.
What you are explaining as your issue due to too many hard surfaces, causing too much reflections that negatively impact the dynamics of your speakers performance.

A big, thick carpet is the first thing you need indeed.

Then go DIY some sound panels (don't buy the rubbish egg crates that does pretty much nothing). Google up how to make acoustic panels, they're very cheap to do and doesn't take that long.
If you lack skills for DIY, can always just go to a hardware shop, tell them the dimensions for the wood you want and they'll cut it to size for you. You just need to provide them the other materials (rockwool for example) to fill the panel.

Treat the problematic areas in your room first. Don't need to go crazy by covering all your walls with acoustic panels. The key to room treatment is balance, too much absorption will make the overall sound of your speakers "dull".
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post Oct 13 2016, 05:18 PM

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This hushymushy selling off his dual SB2000s on hifi4sale. laugh.gif

I'm tempted.
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post Oct 13 2016, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(hushymushy @ Oct 13 2016, 11:25 PM)
hehehehehe in lowyat oso got wat....

for music...sealed sub...i like....

come come come.....mau home demo???
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I already have 2 now, I buy the 2 from you I need to scratch head to see where to put it. Let me plan a bit first.


QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Oct 13 2016, 11:42 PM)
First, go to the ATM and then go to listen to his live demo and become even more convinced. Next... the transaction. And off you go with the SB2000s.  whistling.gif
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post Oct 14 2016, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Oct 13 2016, 11:52 PM)
Your answer with "Let me plan a bit first" already tells me that you are already poisoned, in the process of figuring out a strategy and merely waiting for the right moment to pounce on it.

Remember... the early bird catches the worm! I think you will regret it when someone else took it away from you... so near yet so far, hehehe.

Mmm... is it possible to stack one sub above another?
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I just spent quite a bit on the pair of Ascend Sierra 2 towers and horizon center... haha. Remaining budget tied up for a new display too, so not sure where I'm gonna squeeze out for another sub. tongue.gif


QUOTE(hushymushy @ Oct 14 2016, 12:12 AM)
Ben sifu....one unit almost sold....but its unit #2.....unit#1 still available
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QUOTE(hushymushy @ Oct 14 2016, 12:18 AM)
SSJBen 3 subs is better than 2....

2 in front and 1 for the rear....sibeh sui....the ambiance and feel is way different!

its not about loudness.....but the airiness and realism feel is hell out of this world

i've listened to such setup....man...even for music...the elevation is totally different

unfortunately I don't hv the budget right now...if not i would have kept my sb2000 and play something different in the setup....

put the 2 sb2000 to my rear part of the room.....LPF to 50Hz.....let it play the very low subtle frequency....or perhaps maybe try out of phase setting
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I know bro. 3 is better than 2, and 4 is better than 3. Budget quite tight now and your deal is very tempting. But on the hindsight, I'm also waiting for the SB16U. I'll let you know!


QUOTE(teop @ Oct 14 2016, 01:33 AM)
I thought so at first, but double checked by sticking my ears to the back speakers.
The Auro track is coded in DTS just as the instruction on the video
The 'Demo Disc' is BluRay ISO and it is suppose to be from DTS but I can't confirm that. The name of the disc is 'DTS Bluray Music Demo 14', could be a 3rd party compilation for all I know. The track is actually encoded in DTS just like the instructions says in the video.

Even here http://www.demo-world.eu/download-2d-trail...ation_video.jpg provided 2 tracks, Auro/DTS. Not sure if it is still in the original form. Guess it is produced using the Auro processes but encoded in DTS (logically possible since in the end it is just sound output to speakers). Granted you will not get the full effect since I have no height level speakers.

As for the 5.1 -> 7.1, I did confirm that Kodi is bitstreaming in 5.1 as my Yamaha input page shows 5.1 but the output speakers shows all 7.1 is active. I further confirm this by placing my ears to the speakers. The strange thing is that in Straight mode, I would assumed that it would output as 5.1, same as the source. This should be the closest mode that still have PEQ. But then even in PureDirect, output is still 7.1. Guessed it is really locked or it is a firmware bug...
Ya you are right about PureDirect being not a good alternative and I did understand that it is really for testing purposes. But if Yamaha did actually lock the 'expand surround', even in PureDirect mode, I would definitely not be happy as what PureDirect is suppose to do. Can anyone confirm that there is no settings for this?

Since we are on PureDirect, for stereo sources it would still have some use, right?

Thanks for all you guys for the input. Cheers.
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No, the "expand surround" setting cannot be changed anymore. Again, all DTS tracks be it 5.1 in DTS-MA, DTS, or even DTS:X (where in it would be downconverted into 7.1) will be played at 7.1 if you have 7 channels connected and enabled on your receiver. It's been a "complaint" for many years now. Yamaha has not done anything to address this for whatever reasons and don't expect them to either in the future.

"Straight" is not straight for Yamaha. Straight simply means the receiver does not employ any DSPs or upmixers.

It depends. Some rooms really just can't do PureDirect because of too many issues within the room itself. People can harp about all the "turn off all the digital stuff! let is sound pureeeee!", really what matters is what sounds best to your ears at the end of the day.
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post Oct 14 2016, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(fx20 @ Oct 14 2016, 07:49 PM)
Where did you get your Sierra 2? I love ascend acoustics speakers.
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Buy online directly from their website. Needed to exchange a few emails and a single call to get the delivery plan proper though.

I've only had time set it up yesterday though, but got it 2 weeks ago. Hopefully can do some proper listening over this weekend.
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post Oct 19 2016, 04:52 PM

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Ascend Sierra Towers - Neutral perfection.

Don't have enough time with them yet (only 3 days of listening), but the Sierra Towers and Horizon Center are arguably the most neutral, un-colored, and transparent speakers I've heard in this price range (RM22k+ for all 3 including shipping/tax/blahblah).

I can't find any glaring faults with them thus far. I love the fact they don't color the source, I love the fact that they're very dynamic (okay not horn tweeter dynamic, but not far off either), I love the fact that they don't stress any frequency range for whatever reasons. Best of all I forget that they are speakers, I just heard sound, just pure amazing sound. I believe this is what you call the disappearance of instruments that many "audiophiles" sought for.

Oh and those RAAL tweeters man, that soundstage is just mindblowing. I purposely disconnected all my surround speakers and yet I'm still wrapped in a huge cocoon of sound. The detail they offer btw can be eerie at times, downright hair moving.

If I seriously need to nitpick, I just wish the midbass is a little more engaging. There's a subtle thinness to the 45-50hz region (of which by 30hz, the Towers do start to roll off), where if played on their own, the Towers can falter a little tiny bit. But since I do have subs and I cross the towers at 60hz, this becomes a non-issue at all.

Horizon center wise, I only watched ONE movie (Lights Out) and several episodes of Modern Family lol... so unfortunately, other than the fact that I can say dialogues are mostly crystal clear, I cannot say anymore.

I still have to play with toe-in angles more as the RAAL tweeters are just entirely different to what I'm used to - aluminium and soft domes. Apparently the best toe-in for a ribbon tweeter is no toe-in at all. laugh.gif

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post Oct 20 2016, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Oct 20 2016, 09:49 AM)
dont toe, just face front.
lower mid bass will awake after run in a few weeks if u buying brand new piece
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99% sure nothing will change. Dave (one of the owners of Ascend) personally ran my towers and horizon center for about 80+ hours in his home so that he can be sure there will be no driver defects or break up after the 50 hours usage mark. This is to guarantee I don't run into issues since it will be very difficult to return. In that sense, the speakers are already all well "burn-in".

Any "burn-in" from this point on is just my mind playing tricks and getting used to the sound, basically placebo stuff.


QUOTE(saitong09 @ Oct 20 2016, 11:26 AM)
lol, still thinking which setup to go. DTS-X and Atmos, which 1 better?
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Just do both? Why have to choose one over the other?
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post Oct 20 2016, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Oct 20 2016, 05:10 PM)
oh has run already. congrats btw rclxms.gif

atmos is top of head,
dtsx is wider side, is it correct?
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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Oct 20 2016, 05:17 PM)
The speakers placement are the same for both DTS-X and Atmos? Btw, I'm avoiding ceiling speaker smile.gif
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Dolby recommends Atmos speaker placements to be overhead. DTS recommends DTS:X to be height presence (not wides). However, DTS also said that DTS:X can adapt to any kind of configuration (their marketing talk is that DTS:X is infinitely more convenient and variable than Atmos is).

Months of tinkering on my end, I've found that just placing the speakers as height presence, as high as possible and as close as possible to the ceiling (give or take a few inches off), to the corner trapezoid wall of the room is the best middle ground for both DTS:X and Atmos. Angling the speakers towards the MLP is also important. I honestly can't tell a big difference between overhead and height presence now, I mean it's noticeable but nothing major.

DTS:X sounds best in height presence, while it doesn't sound very convincing in overheads. Atmos sounds best in overheads, but still sounds pretty darn good with height presence. Thus the height presence locations is the best middle-ground for both formats.

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QUOTE(winner @ Oct 31 2016, 06:44 PM)
I need help from audio experts here.

I received a set of used speakers and necessary wires for home theatre system from my relative. The brand is CAV (Computer Audio Video) from China. The speakers and sound bars are heavy and of good quality.

I did check with some friends about the installation but they have no idea on how to do the setup for this China brand speakers.

Do experts here have any idea on the installation? I do not have an amplifier but I do have a Sony blu-ray BDV-E2100. Many thanks!
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First, buy a receiver. Your BD player cannot power all of these speakers.

Second, I cannot tell if you have enough cables or not from your pictures. Hard to recommend how much you need because you didn't mention your room size or how you will place your speakers. So just buy more if you need more.

As for how to connect... either strip the cables end, connect it to a banana plug and then insert it into the binding posts on your speaker. Or, just strip the cable's end off and screw it into the binding post on the speaker

It's pretty straight forward really, dozens of guides on the internet so just go do a simple search on google.
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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Nov 2 2016, 07:54 PM)
Since Marantz SR6011 have dual independent subwoofer pre-out, planning to add another subwoofer SVS PB2000. Is that ok to pair with my current Pioneer S-RS3SW 12 inch ported subwoofer?
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Completely different tuning points. Good luck in trying to get them to play well together. It can work, but you have to work for it.
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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Nov 3 2016, 07:01 PM)
Single PB2000 better or PB2000 + pioneer sub better?
In future maybe dual PB2000 smile.gif
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Don't know how your room looks like. But generally, I'd avoid mixing a good sub with a fart box, no offense. Again like I said, the tuning points are simply different. I mean, the Pioneer S-RS3SW only plays down to a rated 27hz (which I highly doubt, without clipping).
Are you planning to have the PB2000 play down at the 20hz region while your Pioneer does the work above 30hz? That would be like simply crippling your PB2000 as you can't even match them due to the fact that the PB2000 plays flat right up to 150hz while the Pioneer doesn't. Or are you planning for the Pioneer to be nearfield to act as a glorified bass transducer while the PB2000 does the actual work?

I think you should just get the PB2000, do a sub crawl and then place the best it at where the best sounding spot is. Then later on, add another PB2000 if you need to.

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I wish there were more ID subs easily available here. Too bad that will never happen.
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Just go order a reel of Belden 5000UE and call it a day. It's cheap, it's no snake-oil bs, it sounds as "amazing" as any unicorn blood-infused cable.
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After over 120 hours of listening time, I am fairly confident to say that the Sierra Towers offer the BEST midrange and treble on any towers I've ever heard under the RM20k price bracket. Even match (and sometimes edges out) against its much more expensive brethrens from Salk (Veracity) and Focal (Concerta).

The definition, transparency and delicate handling of the midrange is just mind blowing. There's no haziness, there's no 'laid-back' nonsense, there's no coloration. Voices just sound like how they are recorded, period. And that soundstage depth and width offered by the RAAL tweeters? Man, the only thing that beats this is a horn loaded tweeter with some exotic wave guide form helping it.

The only thing I wish was that the MYR isn't made of dirt and soil these days, so I could have appreciated the Sierra Towers value more.


They do have some caveats though.
The Sierra Towers are best put in a small and medium sized room. It cannot excel in a very large room (I'm talking over 1000 sq. ft here). There is a limit of how far the ribbon tweeters can extend before starting to fall short. The mid-bass and low-bass regions can also falter, but that's usually less of a problem as no sane HT enthusiast would omit the usage of subs.

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Nov 22 2016, 10:00 PM)
your money is better spent on acoustic treatment
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QUOTE(bad2928 @ Nov 23 2016, 11:50 AM)
+1
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For many people; Cables >>>> amp/dac = speaker > source > acoustic treatment dead last.

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QUOTE(Dickong @ Nov 25 2016, 08:56 AM)
Any different using branded power cord compare with oem or product that come provided for.tq
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Read this: http://www.audioholics.com/audio-video-cables/power-cables


Keywords are: "well-made cables".

Most mid-range receivers, amps of any kind (intergrated, power amps, tubes, whatever) comes with a cable that is already CERTIFIED and TESTED to perform without any issues that would hamper the performance of the product it is being connected to.

However, because we are in Malaysia and our SIRIM certifications can all be songlap behind closed doors, then you may want to check what kind of who-knows-where made cables you are getting out of the box.

I personally just buy a reel of Gotham 85225 GPC for all my equipments. It's reasonably cheap (not some furutech voodoo bullshit) and is very well made.
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Good post by bro hushymushy. thumbup.gif

In regards to proper cabling in the wall, the problem is that most people do not want to bother breaking up their wall just to re-do their cabling. It's tedious, expensive and most importantly if there's a wife; it spells absolute trouble.

So they'd rather spend thousands on cables, power conditioners, interconnects and whatever other voodoo nonsense in hopes that things can sound "better". Sometimes it's better to just understand and accept what you have is the best you can have in a certain situation.
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QUOTE(hushymushy @ Nov 28 2016, 12:12 AM)
well some people may not have the luxury to break walls and rebuilt....i only had the opportunity when I renovated my house

also bcoz some retailers do not share such information...not everyone is educated about E&E basics right....
plus ppl wanna sell stuffs...so its like that lor

in actual fact....hacking the wall and changing the fuse box and even equipping the sockets with Furutech wall socket is still cheaper than buying conditioners.....
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And... people who live in condos has absolutely no way of doing it. What they buy is what they get forever.

In some cases, hacking the wall and re-doing the cables can actually cost less than buying 1 meter unicorn-blood infused power cords. Go figure. whistling.gif

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QUOTE(mindhacker @ Nov 30 2016, 01:38 PM)
Hi friends,

I recently read a blog about building a home theater using an old shipping container . Is it possible to transform shipping containers into a home theater at an affordable price? I’m planning to design a good home theater in a shipping container. I already have a home theater in my home and need to get a new experience with the container. I’m using Epson projector and Bose speakers for my current home theater system. Please advise me the best tips to make a good home theater.

Thanks in advance
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Haven't built one before in a container. But logic tells me that you will need a considerable amount of room treatment inside the entire container. Otherwise it'll just be an echo chamber.

While room treatment do not cost too much if you DIY, it will be a lot of work as are pretty much going to completely cover the entire container.
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QUOTE(fx20 @ Nov 30 2016, 09:46 PM)
Where to buy Gotham 85225 GPC in malaysia?
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Bought a reel from him - http://www.hifi4sale.net/t56929-gotham-852...-5mm-power-cord
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