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post Jul 25 2014, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 25 2014, 02:15 AM)
What? you buy your house but cannot hack the wall? What is the logic on this?
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that's what i thought.but i still considering hacking abit part to conceal the piping though.
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post Jul 25 2014, 12:15 PM

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Urgent looking for nice Aircon installer in Kajang.
Anyone can recommend?
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post Jul 25 2014, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(rotaziz @ Jul 25 2014, 11:52 AM)
that's what i thought.but i still considering hacking abit part to conceal the piping though.
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Have to ask them what is the reason behind.
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post Jul 25 2014, 03:32 PM

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Anyone using the Koolman aircond?

Any review on this? Seem like not much people is using it. Hope to get some review
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post Jul 25 2014, 05:25 PM

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What u think of Acson Aircon ? Lazada is selling them very cheap...
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post Jul 25 2014, 07:20 PM

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guyz can recommend where can i get panasonic 2.5hp with ionizer @kl area
senheng talak

anywhere got raya promo?
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wat is the different
1) Panasonic 2.5HP CS-PC24QKH
2) Panasonic 2.5HP CS-C24PKH
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post Jul 25 2014, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Jul 25 2014, 07:20 PM)
guyz can recommend where can i get panasonic 2.5hp with ionizer @kl area
senheng talak

anywhere got raya promo?
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wat is the different
1) Panasonic 2.5HP CS-PC24QKH
2) Panasonic 2.5HP CS-C24PKH
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Usually electric shop can help you to order, place some money will do.
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post Jul 25 2014, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(enkil @ Jul 25 2014, 03:19 AM)
Your house 3 phase?
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no
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post Jul 25 2014, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 25 2014, 07:22 PM)
Usually electric shop can help you to order, place some money will do.
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senheng very lansi, went there... they say oni hv samsung 2.5
and dont wan to entertain me...

so bro u know any shop hv raya promo?
or any recommended shop?
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post Jul 25 2014, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Jul 25 2014, 09:10 PM)
senheng very lansi, went there... they say oni hv samsung 2.5
and dont wan to entertain me...

so bro u know any shop hv raya promo?
or any recommended shop?
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I don't know why people like to buy from those chain stores. Usually more expensive. Try those smaller shops. I in Seremban but you are in KL, so the transportation fees are quite high.
But then 2HP are more than enough for hall.
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post Jul 26 2014, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 25 2014, 09:52 PM)
I don't know why people like to buy from those chain stores. Usually more expensive. Try those smaller shops. I in Seremban but you are in KL, so the transportation fees are quite high.
But then 2HP are more than enough for hall.
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opps, my mistake doh.gif

i need 2.5hp for the ground floor living room...
and i read 2.5hp is more power saving than 2hp
donno true or not...

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another question
lets say i buy this one... and hv this total setup
normal terrace house with 1phase power and 1x2.5hp + 1x1.5hp + 3x1hp + 2xrefrigerator
what the things i need to concern of... such as upgrade fuse box?
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post Jul 26 2014, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Jul 26 2014, 12:05 AM)
opps, my mistake doh.gif

i need 2.5hp for the ground floor living room...
and i read 2.5hp is more power saving than 2hp
donno true or not...

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another question
lets say i buy this one... and hv this total setup
normal terrace house with 1phase power and 1x2.5hp + 1x1.5hp + 3x1hp + 2xrefrigerator
what the things i need to concern of... such as upgrade fuse box?
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Under regulation wise, you should be upgrading to 3 phase. If this is new house and insurance won't cover when something bad happens.
Anyway, 2.5HP won't really save much, unless you turn it on for long period of time.
Before I get my 2HP, the shopper even advise me to get 2HP instead of 2.5. It is about rm500 cheaper and installtion fees also slightly cheaper.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 26 2014, 12:54 AM)
Under regulation wise, you should be upgrading to 3 phase. If this is new house and insurance won't cover when something bad happens.
Anyway, 2.5HP won't really save much, unless you turn it on for long period of time.
Before I get my 2HP, the shopper even advise me to get 2HP instead of 2.5. It is about rm500 cheaper and installtion fees also slightly cheaper.
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tenaga regulation?
ok will try to google it...

fyi, currently my fren have the same setup,
but his second refrigerator is a small one... (mine r 2 full size)
and he is using single phase, no prob sweat.gif

donno hows wat is da actual impact of the when i go full blasting
abit concern... bout the safety
anyone else using the same setup on single phase??
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post Jul 26 2014, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Jul 26 2014, 01:06 AM)
tenaga regulation?
ok will try to google it...

fyi, currently my fren have the same setup,
but his second refrigerator is a small one... (mine r 2 full size)
and he is using single phase, no prob  sweat.gif

donno hows wat is da actual impact of the when i go full blasting
abit concern... bout the safety
anyone else using the same setup on single phase??
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Is their regulation, single phase only allow 2 1HP air cond, if follow the book.
Anyway, if all the high power consumption appliance are taking from main fuse box, then it won't have so much problem.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 26 2014, 01:26 AM)
Is their regulation, single phase only allow 2 1HP air cond, if follow the book.
Anyway, if all the high power consumption appliance are taking from main fuse box, then it won't have so much problem.
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i think someone mention b4...
single phase upgrade to 3phase will cost around rm1800
my wallet is not tat thick sad.gif
mayb go for minimal upgrade... fuse box oni haha

update, from tenaga
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Single-phase vs. Three-phase Supply

A single-phase meter measures usage from a 230 volt supply through two (2) wires, and a 3-phase meter is supplied with 415 volts through four (4) wires.

You are advised to change from a single-phase supply to a 3-phase supply when your household electricity load
exceeds 10kW or 50A.  Generally, you should change to a 3-phase supply when there are three (3) or more air-
conditioners in your home.

Upgrading to a 3-phase supply will increase stability and reliability of electricity supply to your premises.
How to Upgrade

You may submit your application to upgrade to 3-phase supply via a qualified electrical contractor registered with the Energy Commission.
Fees and Charges

Connection charges are based on your additional load. Please inquire at the nearest Pusat Khidmat Pelanggan for more information on the connection charges imposed.

use 3phase if 3aircon / 10kW / 50A doh.gif
im screwed

This post has been edited by lucaswjk: Jul 26 2014, 01:51 AM
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post Jul 26 2014, 02:08 AM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Jul 26 2014, 01:45 AM)
i think someone mention b4...
single phase upgrade to 3phase will cost around rm1800
my wallet is not tat thick sad.gif
mayb go for minimal upgrade... fuse box oni haha

update, from tenaga
CODE

Single-phase vs. Three-phase Supply

A single-phase meter measures usage from a 230 volt supply through two (2) wires, and a 3-phase meter is supplied with 415 volts through four (4) wires.

You are advised to change from a single-phase supply to a 3-phase supply when your household electricity load
exceeds 10kW or 50A.  Generally, you should change to a 3-phase supply when there are three (3) or more air-
conditioners in your home.

Upgrading to a 3-phase supply will increase stability and reliability of electricity supply to your premises.
How to Upgrade

You may submit your application to upgrade to 3-phase supply via a qualified electrical contractor registered with the Energy Commission.
Fees and Charges

Connection charges are based on your additional load. Please inquire at the nearest Pusat Khidmat Pelanggan for more information on the connection charges imposed.

use 3phase if 3aircon / 10kW / 50A  doh.gif
im screwed
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3 phase are still 240V.
And single main wire are rated to 100A at least. But you need to count got how many houses in a row. My house 1 row has 10 houses, so standard is 3-3-4. So each house are pulling about 30A peak.
But in actual, air cond won't pull 13A all the time.
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post Jul 26 2014, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Jul 26 2014, 01:06 AM)
tenaga regulation?
ok will try to google it...

fyi, currently my fren have the same setup,
but his second refrigerator is a small one... (mine r 2 full size)
and he is using single phase, no prob  sweat.gif

donno hows wat is da actual impact of the when i go full blasting
abit concern... bout the safety
anyone else using the same setup on single phase??
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I'm currently using single phase, not intending to upgrade. Even price to turn into 3phase isn't that expensive, after consulted its actually less than rm1k. The cable pole is next after my Neighbour unit, it isn't underground.
I have 5 non-inverter airconds, 2x 2.5hp, 1x 1.5hp and 2x 1.0hp. I'm running max 3 airconds at any point of time (even on both 2.5hp). I was told its safe and manageable by my unit's load, after calculation. However I test to have all 5 on at one go, during installation. It has no problem at all. Btw I have 1 600l fridge only.
Just make sure the wireman knows what they are doing. They should recommend proper wire size and DB box distribution. Many times those 3 phase are over-kill... Unless users need to operate all airconds at any point of time (more than 3, perhaps).

QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 26 2014, 01:26 AM)
Is their regulation, single phase only allow 2 1HP air cond, if follow the book.
Anyway, if all the high power consumption appliance are taking from main fuse box, then it won't have so much problem.
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Almost all new houses are coming with 3phase ready. But don't think 2x 1.0hp airconds need that, yet.

This post has been edited by cheeshion: Jul 26 2014, 12:32 PM
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post Jul 26 2014, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(cheeshion @ Jul 26 2014, 12:27 PM)
Almost all new houses are coming with 3phase ready. But don't think 2x 1.0hp airconds need that, yet.
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Depending to location, not all will come with 3 phase supply. But those popular on price speculation development usually will come with 3 phase. A
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post Jul 26 2014, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(cheeshion @ Jul 26 2014, 12:27 PM)
I'm currently using single phase, not intending to upgrade. Even price to turn into 3phase isn't that expensive, after consulted its actually less than rm1k. The cable pole is next after my Neighbour unit, it isn't underground.
I have 5 non-inverter airconds, 2x 2.5hp, 1x 1.5hp and 2x 1.0hp. I'm running max 3 airconds at any point of time (even on both 2.5hp). I was told its safe and manageable by my unit's load, after calculation. However I test to have all 5 on at one go, during installation. It has no problem at all. Btw I have 1 600l fridge only.
Just make sure the wireman knows what they are doing. They should recommend proper wire size and DB box distribution. Many times those 3 phase are over-kill... Unless users need to operate all airconds at any point of time (more than 3, perhaps).
Almost all new houses are coming with 3phase ready. But don't think 2x 1.0hp airconds need that, yet.
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actually there is a thread... in lyn... about 3phase
spend some time there...
conclusion... no need to upgrade, mayb im going to upgrade fuse to 65A
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post Jul 26 2014, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Jul 26 2014, 02:02 PM)
actually there is a thread... in lyn... about 3phase
spend some time there...
conclusion... no need to upgrade, mayb im going to upgrade fuse to 65A
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You are right in some sense. 3 phase are more on load balancing. If run few air conds together for long period of time, then 3 phase wiring will be better.
Have to know that, when the wire are hotter, the efficiency will drop. But again, how low is low?
Even sometimes the 3 phase wireman only wire it using 1 phase and happen all the time.
For my double storey house, 1st floor are using its independent phase, so when ground floor's ELCB trips, 1st floor still got supply.

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