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post Jun 29 2006, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Jun 26 2006, 06:52 PM)
I've been to gym before so I am not beginner. Ok la, maybe beginner since I quitted liao. Was member at FF and then CF 1U, now no more.

Anyway, is the training really that heavy? I think it's alright lor. I dont intend to go with heavy weights. Maybe 15kg per dumbell.

I just wish I know the right weights for me.
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the answer is to do the right movement. doesnt care how heavy you carry... as long you do the right movement, your muscle will grow if you eat well and rest well.

dont follow like other gym fella where they tend to carry heavy yet doing wrong movement... e.g. i saw ppl doing standing barbell curl... carry heavy weight and when doing it, the whole body swinging front and back. this is wrong.

dont let other ppl influence you on these. as long you do correct way... is good enough. just like darklight79 said, many BB doesnt carry so heavy... remember these point.
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post Jun 29 2006, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(nonameNo @ Jun 29 2006, 04:46 PM)
the answer is to do the right movement. doesnt care how heavy you carry... as long you do the right movement, your muscle will grow if you eat well and rest well.

dont follow like other gym fella where they tend to carry heavy yet doing wrong movement... e.g. i saw ppl doing standing barbell curl... carry heavy weight and when doing it, the whole body swinging front and back. this is wrong.

dont let other ppl influence you on these. as long you do correct way... is good enough. just like darklight79 said, many BB doesnt carry so heavy... remember these point.
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Yep! Correct form with moderate poundages > crappy form with heavy poundages.

I've seen that form of exercise you describe. They're called clean curls, done by guys who load up too heavy on barbell curls and end up using their lower back to swing it up.

Pennywise, as for your workout routine, i seriously recommend you take off direct arm work. Focus on packing on slabs of muscle, build a good foundation, then start specializing in arm work later.
The body's physiology is built in such a way that a person's lower back will not allow him to curl more than what his lower back can support. So if you focus on barbell rows, deadlifts, squats to strengthen your posterior chain, then you'll be able to curl more in good form without swaying your back.
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post Jul 1 2006, 03:31 AM

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QUOTE(FleshWound @ Jun 27 2006, 06:13 AM)
You stop going heavier when you reach your ideal physique. It's not like you lift heavy and in 3 months from nothing *POOF* Shiet. I'm the Rock, beech. No, it doesn't happen that way. Growth comes gradually.

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But of course you can always follow the routines of what certain people do to get their physiques and hope that there is enough strenous activity to stimulate muscle growth.
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Stop going heavier when I reach my ideal physique. Well, thank you for your advice. Sometimes, I just dont know how long the whole regime will take. My friend who goes to gym tells me that it's a lifestyle that can never stop. It will be a part of me to continue looking fit. Once I stop, I will just grow another belly.

QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jun 27 2006, 09:25 AM)
^^^^^^^^^^^

smile.gif He answered it. But i would like to add bigger weights + DIET = bigger muscles.
You have no idea how much i eat, especially on workout days.
And Pennywise, please don't call me sifu, there're plenty of other experienced members on this board too. wink.gif

Anyway, general rule, if you're getting stronger but not growing, your routine is good but your diet sucks, if you're getting bigger but your lifts are stagnant, then a person's diet is good but the routine sucks. This is a GENERAL rule but not applicable to all situations.
I can easily tell you now that bodybuilding is 70% diet and 30% other factors. My friends on bb.com have repeatedly drilled this into my head. I've trained for many years and while i got pretty strong, my growth stagnated after i jumped from 55kg to 78kg.
After i started eating right, my lifts exploded and my bodyweight increased to 97kg. Fooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood!

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I've been in this board long enough to know that darklight79 and nonameNo are the ones that rule this section of the board. Dont be humble with your knowledge, the label "sifu" suits you two best. Your knowledge can be of help to many of us.

So, how much do you actually eat? If it's not too much of a trouble, why not share your weekly diet here with us? Are you the 10-half-boil-eggs every morning type? I'm pretty sure you're not the bah-kut-teh type though.

QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Jun 27 2006, 03:23 PM)
darklight, we gotta go out someday on a makan trip.
Since you eat a lot.
Yet even you say I eat a lot. (C'mon, I'm always hungry!)
I feel like a hippo.
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I wouldnt want a makan trip but I was hoping darklight79 could share his diet plan with us.

QUOTE(dagg3r @ Jun 27 2006, 05:45 PM)
97KG now.......  shocking.gif
wao! I dont think I want to be that range at all as I am only 170cm. 65kg - 70kg I think is max for me adi...
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Well, different height then should probably go with different weight eh? What's MY ideal weight since I'm 191cm?
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Jun 27 2006, 11:55 PM)
nah...i'm 176CM
When I was 63, I said 70's ideal. Now I'm 70, I'm aiming for 80KG's.
When I reach 80, I'm gonna want 85, but I think that's it for me. 85KG's

Btw, I think darklight's about your height.
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It just keeps getting more and more eh? But if it's muscles, then it's ok. If it's fats, then its a problem.

QUOTE(dagg3r @ Jun 28 2006, 02:33 PM)
nah.. I think I will try to maintain my weight and workout at the same time. Getting heavier in muscles scares me sometimes when I think about later in life when I cant exercise that much anymore. hehehe... tongue.gif no offense
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What happens to your muscle when you cant exercise that much anymore? They all just go away or they drop and change into fats?

QUOTE(nonameNo @ Jun 29 2006, 04:41 PM)
right. i agreed with you. if you dont eat well, then it is impossible for your muscle to grow. simple rule is.. eat more, pump more = muscle increase. if you eat less and pump more, will not get your further...

pennywise, long time no see. based on your daily routine, honestly, is over-loaded. some of the movement is unnecessary. if you want to do it, you can swap the movement. e.g. this week do these movement and following week do another movement.

from what i know, during bulk up stage, no matter how you diet, somehow you will get fat. maybe my way of gaining muscle is not same with darklight79 (no offence)... but it achieve the same result at the end. pro and con...
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Yea, long time no see. I'll be going back to FF in Aug!! Yay!!

I've been reading so much about eating and dieting but when I go look around in bb.com and other boards, I can only find food and stuff thats only found in the US. Like our lifes here in Msia. Most of the time, I eat out as my house dont cook. Mamak, chinese food, fast food is our style.

I have a nutritionist friend who advice me on some healthy eating habits. So far, she drafted two diet plans for me but I have not put them into practice yet. Before I even bulk up, I wanna thin down a bit first. When I hit dual-digit weight like 99 and below, I will work up some muscles.

QUOTE(nonameNo @ Jun 29 2006, 04:46 PM)
the answer is to do the right movement. doesnt care how heavy you carry... as long you do the right movement, your muscle will grow if you eat well and rest well.

dont follow like other gym fella where they tend to carry heavy yet doing wrong movement... e.g. i saw ppl doing standing barbell curl... carry heavy weight and when doing it, the whole body swinging front and back. this is wrong.

dont let other ppl influence you on these. as long you do correct way... is good enough. just like darklight79 said, many BB doesnt carry so heavy... remember these point.
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My friends used to push me a lot, always adding more weight. Until my palm and elbows hurt only stop. They keep pushing it, of course with some support and helping with bench press and etc. So, all these while I thought, carrying heavier = powerbuild = faster growing muscles... Wrong?

QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jun 29 2006, 05:32 PM)
Yep! Correct form with moderate poundages > crappy form with heavy poundages.

I've seen that form of exercise you describe. They're called clean curls, done by guys who load up too heavy on barbell curls and end up using their lower back to swing it up.

Pennywise, as for your workout routine, i seriously recommend you take off direct arm work. Focus on packing on slabs of muscle, build a good foundation, then start specializing in arm work later.
The body's physiology is built in such a way that a person's lower back will not allow him to curl more than what his lower back can support. So if you focus on barbell rows, deadlifts, squats to strengthen your posterior chain, then you'll be able to curl more in good form without swaying your back.
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My muscles are growing. I can feel it and watch it on the biceps and feel it on the triceps. Now, I need to work on the tummy. I just need to go out and workout more than just sit here on forums, anime and programming.
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post Jul 1 2006, 04:02 AM

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I so seriously need someone to help me on my workout plan... For now, I'll just do those that I can do at home, every alternate days without miss.
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Bruce lee training by lifting heavy? I tot his trainning duration is long.
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QUOTE(silllver @ Jul 1 2006, 04:25 AM)
Bruce lee training by lifting heavy? I tot his trainning duration is long.
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bruce lee did alot and i mean ALOT of weight lifting.

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Bruce Lee felt that many martial artists of his day did not spend enough time on physical conditioning. Bruce did not resort to traditional bodybuilding techniques to build mass; he was more interested in speed and power.

The weight training program that Lee used during a stay in Hong Kong in 1965 indicated bicep curls of eighty pounds and eight repetitions[7] for endurance. This translates to an estimated one repetition maximum of 110 pounds, [8] placing Lee in approximately the 100th percentile for the 121 to 140 pound weight class.[9]

Lee believed that the abdominal muscles were one of the most important muscle groups for a martial artist, since virtually every movement requires some degree of abdominal work. Perhaps more importantly, the "abs" are like a shell, protecting the ribs and vital organs. Bruce Lee's washboard abs did not come from mere abdominal training; he was also a proponent of cardiovascular conditioning and would regularly run, jump rope, and ride a stationary bicycle. A typical exercise for Lee would be to run a distance of two to six miles in fifteen to forty-five minutes.

Another element in Bruce Lee's quest for abdominal definition was nutrition. According to Linda Lee, soon after he moved to the United States, Bruce started to take nutrition seriously and developed an interest in health foods and high-protein drinks. He ate lean meat sparingly and consumed large amounts of fruits and vegetables.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_lee
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thnks for the link, but still need a good guild for tht. Any1 in to boxing? How much to buy a sandbags?

Guild like monday-to-sunday.

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eh guild?

sandbags can be bought for as low as RM235(i think? the 1utama new wing sports shop has i think, light weight one).

depends on how big and how heavy a bag you want.

just a side note, if you're training to box as a sport thats fine but if you're going for boxing as a method of self defense, that may work on inexperienced attackers but as most of us who have been in a few fights will probably know, boxing dont do crap when someone brings his knee up to your chin or his heel down on your neck.

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basically, below is my current training routine:
session 1 (chest, shoulder, triceps)
flat bench press
incline dumbell flyes (superset to failure)
dumbell press
side raises (superset to failure)
shrug (to failure)
dips (to failure)
tricep pushdowns (superset to failure)
cruches (for abs)

session 2 (legs)
squats
leg extensions (superset to failure)
calve raises
reverse crunches
back extension

session 3 (back, bicep)
wide grip pull-ups (to failure)
seated cable rows
latbar pulldown (superset to failure)
standing dumbell curls (to failure)
hammer curls (to failure)
crunches

(the session is categorized based on muscle groups involved in the compound exercises.)
reps & sets:
2 warmup set with light weight (8-10 reps)
then 8-10reps -> 8 reps -> 6 reps -> 4-5 reps -> (burnout set with lighter weight)
-> supersets

i don't follow this routine exactly everytime, but follow its principle:
compound exercises always come b4 isolation exercises

there r excellent alternatives for compound exercises like deadlift (darklight79's favourite laugh.gif ), bent over rows which i will pickup when i change my routine flex.gif

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blink.gif you're doing everything to failure! what does failure mean in this context? going to the point where you can no longer do it?
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QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Jul 2 2006, 12:35 PM)
blink.gif  you're doing everything to failure! what does failure mean in this context? going to the point where you can no longer do it?
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as i m doing the workout alone (no spotter), my context of failure is a bit different. my failure point is when i cannot perform the raise in correct form, e.g. a bit swing, a bit shacky sweat.gif
the supersets r just to "pump" my muscles.
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ah, that makes sense.
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QUOTE(T+1 @ Jul 2 2006, 11:11 AM)
basically, below is my current training routine:
session 1 (chest, shoulder, triceps)
flat bench press
    incline dumbell flyes (superset to failure)
dumbell press
side raises (superset to failure)
shrug (to failure)
dips (to failure)
    tricep pushdowns (superset to failure)
cruches (for abs)

session 2 (legs)
squats
    leg extensions (superset to failure)
calve raises
reverse crunches
back extension

session 3 (back, bicep)
wide grip pull-ups (to failure)
seated cable rows
    latbar pulldown (superset to failure)
standing dumbell curls (to failure)
    hammer curls (to failure)
crunches

(the session is categorized based on muscle groups involved in the compound exercises.)
reps & sets:
2 warmup set with light weight (8-10 reps)
then 8-10reps -> 8 reps -> 6 reps -> 4-5 reps -> (burnout set with lighter weight)
-> supersets

i don't follow this routine exactly everytime, but follow its principle:
compound exercises always come b4 isolation exercises

there r excellent alternatives for compound exercises like deadlift (darklight79's favourite  laugh.gif ), bent over rows which i will pickup when i change my routine flex.gif
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Pretty solid routine. All the bodyparts seem covered. The split is something like mine, except i don't do arm work nor isolations. Good stuff.
But one correction, nothing will be an alternative to deadlifts for the posterior chain, see that you start doing it.
And try not to train to failure all the time, you're going to burn out your CNS at that rate. And you don't want that, trust me. Overall, pretty soild routine.
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And try not to train to failure all the time, you're going to burn out your CNS at that rate.

ic, will take note on it tongue.gif ...

btw, as my tempo is quite slow (3-1-3), actually my failure point is still in my comfortable zone blush.gif
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just curious that anybody try with "High Intensity Training" (HIT) Program.
an info link HIT Program
dunno about it b4, but it sounds very convincing rclxms.gif
(but i won't follow it...)

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QUOTE(T+1 @ Jul 2 2006, 09:58 PM)
ic, will take note on it  tongue.gif ...

btw, as my tempo is quite slow (3-1-3), actually my failure point is still in my comfortable zone  blush.gif
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It doesn't matter about your tempo range. Going to failure all the time will burn out CNS. If you want to go till failure, try doing it on the last set or burnout set at the end of an exercise, not the first or second heavy set.
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QUOTE(T+1 @ Jul 2 2006, 10:32 PM)
just curious that anybody try with "High Intensity Training" (HIT) Program.
an info link HIT Program
dunno about it b4, but it sounds very convincing rclxms.gif
(but i won't follow it...)
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Tried it. It built some strength but not much for hypertrophy gains. Too many flaws in HIT.
They keep preaching about overtraining but overtraining is overrated if your diet is in order. But that doesn't mean we should do 20 sets per bodypart.
They're too dogmatic and go emo when a person does more than one set.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jul 2 2006, 11:21 PM)
It doesn't matter about your tempo range. Going to failure all the time will burn out CNS. If you want to go till failure, try doing it on the last set or burnout set at the end of an exercise, not the first or second heavy set.
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thanks. after googled the net, i found that train to failure is unnecessary and lead to longer recovery time.
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If you wanna do boxing, might as well go for kickboxing. I know a class in Hartamas, very active, very fun and plenty of lenglui. Surprisingly, there are more women in a kickboxing class than men.

So far, I've been cross-training for 1 week. Have not lose much weight. I am alternating between my workouts, doing what I can only at home. Have not join a gym yet.

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