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darklight79
post Jun 25 2006, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Jun 25 2006, 02:43 AM)
How do I read this?

Question 1:
Day 1: Incline Presses: Is it read as, 4 sets of between 8 to 12 repetition of Incline Presses? Cincai 8 times or 10 times or 12 times also can?

Or is it read as 4 sets of Incline PResses, starting with 8 repetition first set, 10 repetition second set, 12 repetition third set?
Question 2:
Day 2: Pullups 3x Failure means?
Question 3:
Day 3: 70% MHR means Max Heart Rate?
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Day One:

      Chest/Triceps/Cardio
          o 4x 8-12 Incline Presses
          o 3 x 8-12 Incline Flyes
          o 2x 8-12 Press Machine
          o 3x 8-12 Either Pec Dec or Cable Crossovers
          o 3x 8-12 Rope Pushdowns
          o 4x 8-12 Skull Crushers (French Presses)
          o 2x failure Dips or Bench Dips
          o 2x 8-10 Kickbacks

      print Click Here For A Printable Log Of Day One.

Day Two:

      Back/Biceps
          o Pullups 3x Failure
          o Partial Deadlifts 3x 8-12
          o Bent Over Rows 2x 8-12
          o One-arm Rows 3x 8-12
          o Pullovers 2x 10-15
          o Straight Bar Curls 3x 8-12
          o Alternating Curls 3x 8-12
          o Hammer Curls 3x 8-12
          o Reverse Curls 3x 8-12

      print Click Here For A Printable Log Of Day Two.

Day Three:

      Abs/Cardio
          o Leg Raises 3x failure
          o Decline crunches 3x failure
          o Cable crunches 3x failure
          o Side Bends 2x failure
          o Treadmill 30 mins @ moderate rate... 70% MHR

      print Click Here For A Printable Log Of Day Three.

Day Four:

      Traps & Shoulders
          o Dumbbell Shrugs 4x 8-12
          o Upright Cable Row 4x 8-12
          o Rear Delts Raise 3x 8-12
          o Shoulder Presses 4x 8-12
          o Front Raises 3x 8-12
          o Side Raises 4x 8-12

      print Click Here For A Printable Log Of Day Four.

Day Five:

      Legs/Calves/Cardio
          o Leg Extensions 3x10
          o Leg Curls 3x10
          o Front Squats 4x 8-12
          o Hack Squats 3x 8-12
          o Walking Lunges 2 sets
          o Standing Calve Raises 3x 8-12
          o Horizontal Calve Presses 3x 12-15
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Bro... crazy, crazy routine. That's going to lead to overtraining, especially for arm work, with quite a number of useless exercises in between. Where'd you get it from?
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post Jun 25 2006, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Jun 25 2006, 06:48 PM)
bodybuilding.com

I'm not going to do it.
I just wanna know how to read it nia... the 3x Failure means?
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Yo! Well, the first number is the number of sets. Each set has a number of reps. So, 3 x 10 means 3 sets of 10.

3 x failure means 3 sets, each set, you'll be doing the repetition till failure in the positive phase of the rep.
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post Jun 26 2006, 02:52 AM

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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Jun 26 2006, 12:07 AM)
Oh I see... I get it. Push yourself till you fail la... Understood. Thank you.

Darklight79,
Is that you in your own avatar? How much weight is that you're carrying?
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Hi Pennywise. Yes, that's me in the avatar. Was deadlifting 200kgs. I'm constantly trying to improve my lifts. The 200kg barrier was an important PR for me. It hurt like a b**** though. wink.gif
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post Jun 26 2006, 02:55 AM

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QUOTE(ExCrIpT @ Jun 26 2006, 02:21 AM)
Would like to ask the proper way for breathing while pumping.

Inhale when you exert strenght and exhale when you go back to the beginning position

OR

Exhale when you exert strenght and inhale when you go back to beginning position.

The trainers have been giving me different answers and i would like to know the proper way to it
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ExCrIpT, the general rule is, exhale on the positive phase of the repetition and inhale on the negative phase.
It's slightly different on some exercises like squats and deadlifts where you need to maintain intra abdominal pressure while going down.
But that's the general rule.
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post Jun 26 2006, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Jun 26 2006, 03:43 AM)
darklight79,
I have been wanting to lose weight, body build, get more confidence, feel better, live healthier for a while now. I finally found some time to do it.

For starters, I have a workout plan made by my friend, student in Sports Management in Australia and also a diet plan made by another friend who is a nutritionist.

Here's my sample workout. Simple running / jogging / walking every morning at 6am for ~30 - 40 minutes coupled with low fat diet. Can you kindly comment on my workout plan?

Monday - Chest
Bench Press 3x10
Incline Press 3x10
Dumbell Bench Press 3x10
Dumbells Flys 3x10

Monday - Back
Lat Pulldown (Front & Back) 3x10
Upright Row 3x10
Shrugs 3x10
T-Bar Row (Alternative Cable Row) 3x10
One Arm Dumbell Row 3x10
Deadlift 3x10
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Wednesday - Biceps
Barbell Curl 3x10
Alternate Biceps Curl 3x10
Easy Bar Curl 3x10
Concentration Curls 3x10

Wednesday - Legs
Squats 3x10
Leg Press 3x10
Leg Extension 3x10
Hamstring Curl 3x10
Lunges 3x10
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Friday - Shoulder
Military Press 3x10
Front Flys 3x10
Side Flyes 3x10
Lateral Flys 3x10

Friday - Triceps
Cable Tricep Extension 3x10
Reverse Tricep Pulldown 3x10
Lying Tricep Press 3x10
Standing One-Arm Tricep Extension 3x10

Friday - Abs
Decline Crouch 3x10
Dumbell Side Bend 3x10
Can you kindly comment on this? Currently, I'm not too strong. I bench press a 6ft bar with 15kg per side for about 3 sets of 10 repetition. I ended up with my palms hurting. My friend taught me instead of relying on my palm, I must bench press using a punch movement. When I pushed it up, I have to breath in and hold my breath to feel the chest muscles? Is that correct?

I tell you how much I can carry now because I am hoping you can tell me what's a good weight to start off with my workout above? My friend who made me the workout plan said I should increase my weight every 2 weeks.

Lastly, I am currently not any gym member yet but I am looking forward to join back Fitness First in Aug when my friend leaves abroad and transfer sells me her membership.

P/S: I am quite sure I cant do many of these without joining the gym. All I have at home is the bench press chair, a 6ft bar, 2 dumbells and some weights.
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I'm sorry but i'm going to be honest here. That's bloody crazy insane volume and gonna lead to overtraining and a burnout. Tell your friend you don't need direct arm work, period. I rarely do direct arm work and i have 17 inch arms, and even if i do, i throw in 3-4 sets of arm work at the end of my workout. Even if you must, do back and biceps on one day, chest and triceps together on one day. And keep arm work to a minimum.
And back day, deadlifts at the end of the back routine? It should be done at the beginning. Your friend seriously needs to revise the program given for you. Too many isolation exercises, they need to be dropped, pronto. I don't wanna see you burnout fast.
My workout volume is less than half of that routine.
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post Jun 26 2006, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Jun 26 2006, 06:52 PM)
I've been to gym before so I am not beginner. Ok la, maybe beginner since I quitted liao. Was member at FF and then CF 1U, now no more.

Anyway, is the training really that heavy? I think it's alright lor. I dont intend to go with heavy weights. Maybe 15kg per dumbell.

I just wish I know the right weights for me.
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We're talking about volume here. It is way too much imo. I've been training many years and my volume has never been that high. I know some people who compete and their volume isn't that high either. Too many exercises.
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post Jun 26 2006, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(FleshWound @ Jun 26 2006, 07:56 PM)
As true as the fact that masturbating a lot will give you hairy palms.
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What the..... ? You could have just said no right?

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post Jun 27 2006, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(Muffins @ Jun 27 2006, 01:03 AM)
I want muscle definition not boulders on my chest. Whats your routine like darklight? Heavy, less reps or light, more reps? You're power training or going for arnold-like buffness?
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I powerbuild actually. My routine is a bodybuilding routine but built up around the big three; squat, bench press and deadlift, as priority.
Imo, if these 3 core exercises are weak, other lifts don't matter at all, period.

If you want definition, it doesn't really have much to do with the weight training routine but diet and cardio.
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post Jun 27 2006, 01:25 AM

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QUOTE(snorlax @ Jun 27 2006, 12:42 AM)
*looks at bare palms*
I'm such an innocent.....  shocking.gif

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*Looks at palms*

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Gawd! The hair, THE HAIR!!!! I'M GONNA HELL!
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post Jun 27 2006, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(FleshWound @ Jun 27 2006, 06:13 AM)
You stop going heavier when you reach your ideal physique. It's not like you lift heavy and in 3 months from nothing *POOF* Shiet. I'm the Rock, beech. No, it doesn't happen that way. Growth comes gradually.

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But of course you can always follow the routines of what certain people do to get their physiques and hope that there is enough strenous activity to stimulate muscle growth.
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^^^^^^^^^^^

smile.gif He answered it. But i would like to add bigger weights + DIET = bigger muscles.
You have no idea how much i eat, especially on workout days.
And Pennywise, please don't call me sifu, there're plenty of other experienced members on this board too. wink.gif

Anyway, general rule, if you're getting stronger but not growing, your routine is good but your diet sucks, if you're getting bigger but your lifts are stagnant, then a person's diet is good but the routine sucks. This is a GENERAL rule but not applicable to all situations.
I can easily tell you now that bodybuilding is 70% diet and 30% other factors. My friends on bb.com have repeatedly drilled this into my head. I've trained for many years and while i got pretty strong, my growth stagnated after i jumped from 55kg to 78kg.
After i started eating right, my lifts exploded and my bodyweight increased to 97kg. Fooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood!

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post Jun 29 2006, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(nonameNo @ Jun 29 2006, 04:46 PM)
the answer is to do the right movement. doesnt care how heavy you carry... as long you do the right movement, your muscle will grow if you eat well and rest well.

dont follow like other gym fella where they tend to carry heavy yet doing wrong movement... e.g. i saw ppl doing standing barbell curl... carry heavy weight and when doing it, the whole body swinging front and back. this is wrong.

dont let other ppl influence you on these. as long you do correct way... is good enough. just like darklight79 said, many BB doesnt carry so heavy... remember these point.
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Yep! Correct form with moderate poundages > crappy form with heavy poundages.

I've seen that form of exercise you describe. They're called clean curls, done by guys who load up too heavy on barbell curls and end up using their lower back to swing it up.

Pennywise, as for your workout routine, i seriously recommend you take off direct arm work. Focus on packing on slabs of muscle, build a good foundation, then start specializing in arm work later.
The body's physiology is built in such a way that a person's lower back will not allow him to curl more than what his lower back can support. So if you focus on barbell rows, deadlifts, squats to strengthen your posterior chain, then you'll be able to curl more in good form without swaying your back.
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post Jul 2 2006, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(T+1 @ Jul 2 2006, 11:11 AM)
basically, below is my current training routine:
session 1 (chest, shoulder, triceps)
flat bench press
    incline dumbell flyes (superset to failure)
dumbell press
side raises (superset to failure)
shrug (to failure)
dips (to failure)
    tricep pushdowns (superset to failure)
cruches (for abs)

session 2 (legs)
squats
    leg extensions (superset to failure)
calve raises
reverse crunches
back extension

session 3 (back, bicep)
wide grip pull-ups (to failure)
seated cable rows
    latbar pulldown (superset to failure)
standing dumbell curls (to failure)
    hammer curls (to failure)
crunches

(the session is categorized based on muscle groups involved in the compound exercises.)
reps & sets:
2 warmup set with light weight (8-10 reps)
then 8-10reps -> 8 reps -> 6 reps -> 4-5 reps -> (burnout set with lighter weight)
-> supersets

i don't follow this routine exactly everytime, but follow its principle:
compound exercises always come b4 isolation exercises

there r excellent alternatives for compound exercises like deadlift (darklight79's favourite  laugh.gif ), bent over rows which i will pickup when i change my routine flex.gif
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Pretty solid routine. All the bodyparts seem covered. The split is something like mine, except i don't do arm work nor isolations. Good stuff.
But one correction, nothing will be an alternative to deadlifts for the posterior chain, see that you start doing it.
And try not to train to failure all the time, you're going to burn out your CNS at that rate. And you don't want that, trust me. Overall, pretty soild routine.
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post Jul 2 2006, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(T+1 @ Jul 2 2006, 09:58 PM)
ic, will take note on it  tongue.gif ...

btw, as my tempo is quite slow (3-1-3), actually my failure point is still in my comfortable zone  blush.gif
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It doesn't matter about your tempo range. Going to failure all the time will burn out CNS. If you want to go till failure, try doing it on the last set or burnout set at the end of an exercise, not the first or second heavy set.
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post Jul 2 2006, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(T+1 @ Jul 2 2006, 10:32 PM)
just curious that anybody try with "High Intensity Training" (HIT) Program.
an info link HIT Program
dunno about it b4, but it sounds very convincing rclxms.gif
(but i won't follow it...)
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Tried it. It built some strength but not much for hypertrophy gains. Too many flaws in HIT.
They keep preaching about overtraining but overtraining is overrated if your diet is in order. But that doesn't mean we should do 20 sets per bodypart.
They're too dogmatic and go emo when a person does more than one set.

 

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