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quovadis123
post Dec 10 2013, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(Human10 @ Dec 10 2013, 05:14 PM)
And also fine tune them to our likings.
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What things on the keyboard can we fine tune? for better typing experience
- lube spring, stabilizers
- keycaps
- casing
My knowledge is limited. Anything miss out?
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post Dec 10 2013, 05:27 PM

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Change plate, change spring, change stem, change case, change caps add stickers
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post Dec 10 2013, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(Powet @ Dec 10 2013, 05:22 PM)
I'm pretty rich in MKB knowledge today  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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hooh888 I used to have same keyboard with you, AK300  biggrin.gif  joined this thread on oct2013 until Black Friday sales only grab my first MKB blue switches, I'm dota2&csgo player, and also a typing kaki, pretty comfort with blue switches (except noisy part  doh.gif ) GL on getting your MKB biggrin.gif
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If really too noisy, then put o-rings a.k.a silencer on keycaps biggrin.gif
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I think the MX Blue "clicky" sounds nice to listen laugh.gif
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post Dec 10 2013, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(hamdanchiuyanyehh @ Dec 10 2013, 03:02 PM)
I have ask noobandroid to reserve 1 unit when restock BUT he not yet reply for 2 days...
Also ask heavyarm but he said no stock to restock  cry.gif
I think slim chance to get rosewill rk9000 brown...
Is tat have significant influence with different stabiliser?
I think I have to wait for at least one month for rosewill rk9000 brown to restock...
Is ducky zero brown good? Good to go with it?
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Relax bro, if you've decided to get the RK-9000, just be patient and wait for it.

If you purchase other replacement because you can't wait for the one you needed, buyer's remorse will hit you real soon.

Unless you have the money to burn or you don't mind resell... then nevermind..
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post Dec 10 2013, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(hooh888 @ Dec 10 2013, 01:54 PM)
hi guys, i am totally new to this mechanical keyboard thing, and have never tried one so i don't know how it feels. my armaggeddon ak-300 is definitely not a mechanical keyboard so i am wondering if the difference is really big.
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QUOTE(hooh888 @ Dec 10 2013, 02:43 PM)
noted, will head to heavy-arms to test some out this weekend. as for durability in terms of typing fast and HARD, are they the same?
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For me personally, my jump towards the mechanical keyboard bandwagon its primarily because I felt the tyyping experience was far more superior than a membrane keyboard feeling.

Prior of getting my own mech keyboard, I tested MX black and browns in the form of a SS 7G & 6G and also a Filco Ninja.... Both switches were nice and suits what I'm looking for...But the switch I really wanted was a red MX which is about as Rare as a Ducky shine 3 TKL now...back then only had SS, Ducky and Filco with either black , brown and clicky blues to toy around... I work as a writer and almost 80 A4s pages with font 9 size I need to type monthly...

So when I decided to pull the trigger, it was a Filco Pink Tenkeyless because 1) it is a tenkeyless and I don't need a numpad 24/7, secondly because it had white keycaps...' I wanted a red switch but it only comes in a limited edition Camo Red bla bla bla, which I didn't prefer...

Ducky was around but its fairly new and trying to get reviews on it like almost close to none. SS i didn't opted because of the braided cable and the hideous keycaps font... Filco looks and feels much better..mine was equipped with a MX brown switch.

For 3 years++ I type on a stock Filco TKL Brown, everything stock and no need to pull and plug back in ever...I was solid and was very dirty thanks to the white keycaps...

My advice is this; DON'T GO TO THE SHOP AND JUST PUT YOUR NASTY FINGERS ON THE KEYBOARD AND CLICKING RUBBISH, Period!

Go and ask for a proper demo, don;'t just click with 2 fingers and judge with your ears and eyes...Judge with your fingers because in the end your fingers do most of the work.

If you straight away click click on the demo or worse, the stock that is for sale, 1) you look noob n rude 2)its not your keyboard yet mang 3)shop keeper or assistant would be cursing you inside their head....

Ask nicely for a sitting demo and try to type naturally like you would on your table. Type away for like 5 minutes and try the next switch that your are interested.... Mechanical keyboards are basically the same, the only difference is maybe the keycaps, illuminated or not, goodies that comes in the package and the package itself. Most plate mounted feels the same most PCB mounted feels the same.

So again, select the switch then select how much you are willing to spend on your tools...


QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Dec 10 2013, 01:58 PM)
Baru know, moogle kit d founder from Malaysia.  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 10 2013, 02:54 PM)
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Apa itu moogle kit??? huh.gif
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post Dec 10 2013, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(JohnDiew0107 @ Dec 10 2013, 06:01 PM)
Relax bro, if you've decided to get the RK-9000, just be patient and wait for it.

If you purchase other replacement because you can't wait for the one you needed, buyer's remorse will hit you real soon.

Unless you have the money to burn or you don't mind resell... then nevermind..
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you right also,good thing have to wait hmm.gif
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post Dec 10 2013, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(hamdanchiuyanyehh @ Dec 10 2013, 06:29 PM)
you right also,good thing have to wait  hmm.gif
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No, your hadn't met the real waiting games yet... sweat.gif

At least you can always get Filco from SG or Taobao anytime you want.

But our waiting games... Wait for years until you forgotten that such desire exist in you b4 can be a normal phenomenon here. whistling.gif

This post has been edited by Human10: Dec 10 2013, 06:49 PM
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post Dec 10 2013, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(antonio @ Dec 10 2013, 06:26 PM)
Apa itu moogle kit??? huh.gif
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moogle kit is what most standard layout is using.
1.25 modifier and 6.25 spacebar as opposed to tsangan kit which is a 1.5 CTRL ALT, 1.0 Winkey, 7.0 spacebar.

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post Dec 10 2013, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(antonio @ Dec 10 2013, 06:26 PM)
Apa itu moogle kit??? huh.gif
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QUOTE(justnits @ Dec 10 2013, 06:54 PM)
moogle kit is what most standard layout is using.
1.25 modifier and 6.25 spacebar as opposed to tsangan kit which is a 1.5 CTRL ALT, 1.0 Winkey, 7.0 spacebar.
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Moogle kit

A moogle kit is an adapter kit that complements keys from vintage keyboard so that they fit onto a modern keyboard with 1.25 units wide modifier keys, such as Windows keys.

A typical moogle kit contains modifiers for the bottom row and a space bar. It is common for them to also contain a caps lock key with a centered stem (as opposed to off-center stem) and a 2.75 wide right shift key, even though not all users may need them.

The original moogle kits were designed to allow the use of Cherry doubleshot ABS keys (harvested off a cheap keyboard in the Cherry G80 series) on a modern Filco Majestouch. Moogle kits have also been made Dolch and Wyse PCE.

The term "moogle kit" is named after the Geekhack user who first proposed it: Moogle Stiltzkin. A "Moogle" is a type of creature that appear in several games by Square Enix, such as the Final Fantasy series.[1]

Human-loving, fast-talking, street-smart, SLAM-dancing... Moogle...user posted image
—SNES version

The term "moogle kit" (MOOGLEWHITE and MOOGLEBLACK) had been first introduced by 7bit as order-IDs for the Round 3 group buy in early 2011.

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http://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit

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Base Kit: the standard moogle, ANSI-flavored

2 Control (1.25x)
2 Alt (1.25x)
2 Win (1.25x)
1 Menu (1.25x)
1 left Shift (2.25x)
1 right Shift (2.75x)
1 Spacebar
1 Caps Lock



*note: comes in 2 color flavors. Black/white, or white/black




In summary, it's a set of keys meant for Cherry classic keyboards. It's for the people that want to use vintage Cherry corp keycaps on a modern keyboard like a Ducky/Filco. Sadly not all the keycaps will fit, hence why this kit is required to fill in the gaps. The color scheme and the font style is crafted to be as close as possible to the original.


PS: other than being moogle kit founder, i am also the original Malaysian Mechanical keyboard club founder and pioneer smile.gif I created on lowyat forum, seeing as this is probably the largest online community in Malaysia. biggest contributions is bringing mkb awareness to the malaysian community via lowyat, to spread the poison that over priced rubber dome high end gamers keyboard is a marketing con, and that the real quality is that of a mkb (even the cheaper models are way worth it). My poison has more bang for your buck, than the usual logitech so called high end rubber dome keyboards laugh.gif

as a result... more people know about mkb, and even the resellers are selling mkbs locally now (before it was very limited in the Malaysian market place). mkbs internationally has gained more coverage, that more mkb products are being released.

Even logitech competitors, ROCCAT and Razer have turned to making MKB products.


QUOTE(hooh888 @ Dec 10 2013, 05:21 PM)
so informative but i am too blur and slow to absorb this much information hahahaha.
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Don't worry. lots of people also were rather blur and overwhelmed about mkb when they just started. it gets much easier once you own one, then you know what we all talking about.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2013, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 10 2013, 07:04 PM)
Source:
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit
In summary, it's a set of keys meant for Cherry classic keyboards. It's for the people that want to use vintage Cherry corp keycaps on a modern keyboard like a Ducky/Filco. Sadly not all the keycaps will fit, hence why this kit is required to fill in the gaps. The color scheme and the font style is crafted to be as close as possible to the original.
Don't worry. lots of people also were rather blur and overwhelmed about mkb when they just started. it gets much easier once you own one, then you know what we all talking about.
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Meaning that this 'kit' is actually a set of keys (produced NEW) which resembles the original Cherry keyboard keycaps but made to fit modern keyboards such as Filco/Ducky?

or

In order to fit those Vintage keycaps taken out from an old Cherry keyboard to fit a Filco/Ducky/QFR keyboard, some of the Vintage keys (which did not fit) is replaced with a set of keys which will fit on a modern keyboard?

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QUOTE(antonio @ Dec 10 2013, 07:14 PM)
Meaning that this 'kit' is actually a set of keys (produced NEW) which resembles the original Cherry keyboard keycaps but made to fit modern keyboards such as Filco/Ducky?

or 

In order to fit those Vintage keycaps taken out from an old Cherry keyboard to fit a Filco/Ducky/QFR keyboard, some of the Vintage keys (which did not fit) is replaced with a set of keys which will fit on a modern keyboard?
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The kit isn't a full set. meaning you would STILL NEED TO BUY! the entire Cherry corp vintage keycaps (for a full keyboard). The kit is only to replace the caps from the original, that would not fit a modern keyboard like a ducky/filco. The keycap width is different doh.gif

Yes it is possible to order a custom sp double shot for the entire keyboard, rather than a patch kit, but a lot of purists, prefer having the original cherry corp ones, but with a patch kit aka moogle kit nod.gif

I believe it was 7bit who was selling it if i am not mistaken hmm.gif

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The kit isn't a full set. meaning you would STILL NEED TO BUY! the entire Cherry corp vintage keycaps (for a full keyboard). The kit is only to replace the caps from the original, that would not fit a modern keyboard like a ducky/filco. The keycap width is different doh.gif

Yes it is possible to order a custom sp double shot for the entire keyboard, rather than a patch kit, but a lot of purists, prefer having the original cherry corp ones, but with a patch kit aka moogle kit  nod.gif

I believe it was 7bit who was selling it if i am not mistaken  hmm.gif
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So meaning lets say I'd order a set of keys that would fit an old Cherry keyboard, I wont be able to use 'all' keys on a modern keyboard such as filco/ducky correct?

So the below pictures are the kit correct? all of the keys in the pictures will replaced their respective original vintage Cherry keycaps? So basically can only salvage the alphabets and number keycaps from the original vintage cherry keyboard?

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post Dec 10 2013, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(antonio @ Dec 10 2013, 07:35 PM)
So meaning lets say I'd order a set of keys that would fit an old Cherry keyboard, I wont be able to use 'all' keys on a modern keyboard such as filco/ducky correct?

So the below pictures are the kit correct? all of the keys in the pictures will replaced their respective original vintage Cherry keycaps? So basically can only salvage the alphabets and number keycaps from the original vintage cherry keyboard?

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yes correct.

also because the keys being use for kit, aren't the alphabets/numberals, the very slight discrepancy is hardly a detriment from using it. And you can get to use vintage Cherry corps nod.gif

Much thought and revisoning had went into this, to make it as close as possible (font face, and color) to the vintage cherry, so as it won't look so out of place.

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In short, may refer moogle kit as one type of the modfier kits i suppose.
Modifier kits inlclude keys for spacebar, ctrl, alt, win, fn, left & right shift, capslock, tab, enter, | \ and backspace.

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Dec 10 2013, 05:03 PM)
Great info. What you said is probably true.
Tactile is sure lower in the life cycle 20m whereas non-tactile is 50m.
From what I know, the switches will finally fail due to fatigue failure.
Few methods can fasten the process, that is, you always type (stress on it), seldom let the switches rest. So, it will failed prematurely.
If seldom type, will able to reach life cycle of 20m and above.

p/s: experience from my own fyp, "Finite Element Analysis and Fatigue Failure of steel"

edit: the beauty of mechanical keyboard is, we're able to change the switches individually if broken  rclxms.gif
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the beauty of mechanical keyboard is, we're able to lube the switches individually if you find the scratches and sound annoying rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Dec 10 2013, 12:32 PM)
3 fullsize headphone? haha
So much.. I believed each one also more expensive than a mechanical keyboard. drool.gif
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Audiophile spoiled my mechanical keyboard plan. wink.gif tongue.gif
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Audiophile spoiled my mechanical keyboard plan. wink.gif tongue.gif
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hey guys, how's the quality of keycool tlk compared to ducky and filco?
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Anyone here can fix my friend's Razer Blackwidow Ultimate?
Problem is the key trigger randomly (all range F5, shift, numbers, characters, etc), all driver detect and the LED's working fine.
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QUOTE(yuktsi14 @ Dec 10 2013, 11:23 PM)
hey guys, how's the quality of keycool tlk compared to ducky and filco?
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keycool just have lower qc and less polished up.
i still like a keycool for the price biggrin.gif

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