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post Jul 16 2014, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ Jul 16 2014, 05:28 PM)
Guten Tag Herr Wong,

That's what motivated me to stay here for 11 years and counting.  The right to education for every human being is enshrined in the constitution and must be provided to every individual regardless of social status, financial constraints and political affiliation.  Germans also hold on to the principle that education and the application of education is the only thing that can bring the country forward.  Therefore, education is free (EUR100 admin fee per semester, reclaimable and students can even get financial help "BAföG").

Have fun bringing up your children in German.

I'd be honoured to buy you a locally brewed cold one if you happen to be in my corner of the woods.

Going back on topic, the hot issue in Germany now is the so-called bracket creep (Kalte Progression).  More here.

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21601...h.jzfJe7s4.dpbs
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It's too late for old me Herr Lym.

U or yr next gen may (hopefully) bump into my next gen laugh.gif
I may visit lar and "bump" into U for that free tankard in future - free is good thumbup.gif

Anyhow, back to topic - even the Scandinavian countries put education as "the holy grail" and see who are the happiest & "well paid enough" people in the world?
Bolehland - FORCED to be a millionaire (RM) to afford better education options AND "escape velocity" for kids.
sigh..
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post Jul 16 2014, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jul 16 2014, 11:07 PM)
You suffer like hell tongue.gif
go makan in soup kitchen to survive with 1k..
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bro - if U are your only reason...
U dont have a BIG ENOUGH REASON to be a multi-millionaire (unless U born with a silver/platinum spoon)
U need something bigger than self.

sorry ar - just pointing out the obvious

a. some folks die die MUST change car every 5 years else.. die
even if go into slavery... i mean debts tongue.gif

b. some folks die die MUST eat at 5 star restaurants IN hotels every week at least
even if they make ONLY $8K net /mth

c. some folks die die dont want to die in slavery
AND finds beauty in simplicity + serving a greater cause / burning desire bigger than self
AND likes the freedom of choice

who U think is the stupid one?
depends on yr lifeSTYLE or LIFEstyle "indoctrination" & personal reality right?
no right/wrong - just that every choice has it's payoff and cost. notworthy.gif
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post Jul 16 2014, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jul 16 2014, 11:13 PM)
Not necessarily, it's just priorities smile.gif
I can show you how to eat like a king, all you really need is 200-300 a month smile.gif and yes soup kitchens, why not? some people's salaries are not even 1K, the fact that they are not starving obviously means you can survive on 1K.. besides what can you do with your little money except to grow it and pass it on to your descendants? otherwise you work all your life, marry, have kids who work all their life, and marry and have kids who... kind of pointless if you look at it this way isn't it? might as well break the cycle smile.gif
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bro - "the system" NEEDS slaves like those lar - hard coded or boolean "variables"
"fresh meat for the grinder" kind of thing needed

The crazy ones that prefer to explore and build something worthwhile - even if it's small compared to the Gates Foundation, is often looked on as crazed laugh.gif
Anyhow, crazy ppl dont give a dang what other ppl think of them - thus they dance to their own tunes thumbup.gif
while the slaves.. i mean.. "others" live lives as per how it's marketed via ads/media/etc.

note - i had a fellow forumer state to me:
You are a waste of resources, aiming to retire before 55 (those days max in MY is 55 mar) instead of contributing to the economy.

My.. how shallow his IQ was - retire = no contribution?
his term of retirement = death ka?
retire = not work for $.
can't work for pleasure or purpose? no? oh.. really?

oops.. sorry - reminiscing old funny arguments / discussions... price of getting old & wistful sweat.gif
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post Jul 16 2014, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jul 16 2014, 11:21 PM)
True enough, but if you don't have kids, it can be your nephew or niece smile.gif
Actually everyone should do everything once. Once you eat in a 5-star restaurant, you realize that every one of them is a glorified mamak stall lol. I swear if you come to my house for CNY you get better service (and better quality food) than them lol smile.gif
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for the heck of the experience, yes, i agree on splurges on/off depending on mood/occasion lar
BUT
die die every 5 years (cars) or week (makan) when one is not a millionaire (RM lar - bleeding cars & hotels are relatively high cost ya know)?
i know real life people like that leh - up to debts to their eyeball AND:
a. must "upgrade" to that new Civic (from a "lousy" Wira),
b. buy a BMW although can afford to rent a room only in KL (gross salary $7K & no investments)
c. experience fine dining with cigar+wine weekly (snob appeal?) in 4 to 5 star restaurants in hotels coz he's a DOCTOR and he is EXPECTED to do so (earning RM8K+ pm gross only with family & kids to provide for, not like $40K+pm)

then again maybe their definition of "debts up to eyeballs" isn't the same as mine lar (always having credit card owed + 1 to 3 pay cheques away from disaster) laugh.gif
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post Sep 10 2014, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(polkiuj @ Sep 10 2014, 12:19 PM)
My suggestion is to clear it all. This debt is not worth having. It's losing you money for no reason.

A true (normal) emergency rarely requires 30k instantly. If not instant, you can easily obtain loans.

Of course, we seeing this from the POV that u have a decent credit score.
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IMHO, on the emergency - it may not be too smart to rely on loans when in an emergency itself.
a. one's CCRIS or credit worthiness may be problematic during the emergency.
b. >=RM30K needed instantly is possible. Thus far, i've seen it happening to me 3 to 4 times already.
Pls note - i'm not a big-shot with lifeSTYLE but generally a worker like most folks.
Thus, if it can happen several times to me... (maybe i'm UNluckier than most tongue.gif )

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post Sep 10 2014, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(polkiuj @ Sep 10 2014, 03:55 PM)
Yea, that's Y i added the caveat at the end of my advise. It's really hard to advise given we have not enough info.

We all advise as if he were in our shoes (Navink) but that is rarely the case.
Maybe I'm naive lol but isn't that what credit cards are for? Emergencies. Since he has 16k in debt, it's better to pay it off and IF an emergency arises, he could use that credit card. That's FAR better than keeping the 16k debt (@15% interest) for an emergency "saving/investment" that only nets ~8%.
just to add: the reason for credit cards to exist is
1. to build ur credit score
2. to get benefits/discounts
3. (it's better not to use this, but...) emergency
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Yeah - understand where U are coming from where he has $ to knockoff his credit card debts BUT kept for emergency fund pulak.

i'm generalizing that "Relying on loans/credit card" for emergency fund
may get one into further hellish area
VS
having buffer funds (assUme-ing tongue.gif that one has no crazy interest rate owed).

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post Sep 14 2014, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(polkiuj @ Sep 14 2014, 07:59 PM)
Yup! As u said, neither is intrinsically wrong or right. It all depends on ur style. The problem with a fixed loan is that you can't save on interests unless u do a special write in (maybe). Or clear the loan.

The good thing about this flexi or semi flexi loans is that they let us keep the cash and yet still save on interest! Win win. Again, this already ASSUMES you have great financial management else it WILL be your doom. The great part about the loan is exactly as you put! It allows u to dump in ur bonuses. And the fact that your salary increases every year, u can put in more and more as you wish. Soon, your 35 year loan is actually left with only 20 years or less and you save hundreds of thousands in interest.

And the best part is that this account gives you the best 'guaranteed' interest rates ever. (Of course, your money does not grow. In this way, ur interest is interest saved rather than gained).
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er.. dont be too sure that salary increases every year.
sob sob speaking from experience.. cry.gif
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post Sep 26 2014, 12:59 PM

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Just to share:

http://www.international-adviser.com/ia/me...tabook-2013.pdf
snapshot part of the report - for your own comparison as to "where U are VS others":
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post Sep 26 2014, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Sep 26 2014, 04:43 PM)
That's 2 years back only 4+ people go bankrupt and now >68 a day.
I have a friend also the same, borrow here borrow there but don't want to change his lifestyle.
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The problem here is choice - lifeSTYLE instead of LIFEstyle
Thanks to marketing parasitic brainwashers - U deserve the best, NOW.. + lemming mentality of typical ConsUmers.

Good also lar - no big spenders & borrowers, how to move the economy and make investors rich, right? sweat.gif
I'd say good work & carry-on to these big hearted & big spenders notworthy.gif
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post Oct 29 2014, 01:26 PM

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Just created this on Google Sheets for my team member to "see" and play-with, for visualizing & planning her future cash flow.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13lk...dit?usp=sharing

Thus - thought it'd be useful to others too.
Please note:
1. Please make a copy to your own Google sheets in order to edit at your own private pleasure.
U won't be able to edit the version i shared.
To make a copy: File >> Make a copy

2. EPF variables - specifically tailored to Malaysia
If U do not have any such items (it's like 401K, CPF, etc), just zero-rise the variable in yellow

3. Goals 2 to 7:
If U do not have them, zero-rise them.

4. Does NOT calculate taxes on investment or trading returns.
Please factor taxes in to get the net returns pa % expected.

5. Focus on Column D, Row 14 onwards - this is the cash-related investments that will be funding your retirement and goals.
If the row's cell is NOT red, U should be ok.
Red = no more investments to fund anything from that year/row onwards

6. Anything else?
drop me a line here and i'll see if i can incorporate the idea OR clarify usage of existing.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13lk...dit?usp=sharing
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post Nov 20 2014, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Nov 20 2014, 09:34 AM)
2. insurance is necessary, i would say... but you don't need to pay RM200 monthly for a good medical insurance. at your age, <800 (a year) is more than sufficient to get a decent one. also if your company covers a decent medical benefit, i would say this can be put on hold a bit, or get a medical insurance with high deductible, then you pay little for potentially high coverage. if your company doesn't cover, then, might need to think about it asap. like i said, insurance doesn't have to cost much, just need to find the right one.

3. PRS is basically investment in unit trust. the difference between PRS and normal unit trust is tax relief (up to RM3k)... and PRS doesn't allow withdrawal before age 55 (similar restriction to EPF). since you are not paying a lot of tax, the tax savings you get is not worth locking up your money for so long. BUT... there's the PRS youth incentive which is why i'm putting just enough money (Rm1k) just to get that youth incentive (RM500).

so, unit trust can be another way of investing, and you can DIY, and please visit the Fundsupermart thread to read up on what the regulars have to say and DO YOUR HOMEWORK.  laugh.gif

PS: i'm your age, not sifu either. also... the other guy has an absolute hatred on insurance, very extremist opinion.
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heheh - the "other guy" is looking at things from own PoV only, not balanced with the asker's view tongue.gif
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post Nov 20 2014, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Nov 20 2014, 12:04 PM)
As you get older your POV changes. Products that you had decades ago are not the same as the ones you get today, and the needs have changed too.

When it comes to making any decision, and not just limited to financial decision, it is important that we make them based on the time that we live in and our own situations.

For example, for an older person who is nearing his/her retirement age, and have not taken any medical insurance before, it may be pointless to start now especially when he/she already has a medical condition.

For those those who are young, and dont know what their future situation, it is important to insure oneself appropriately. Saying that so-and-so is NOT important without taking a look at situation and condition of the person we are advising is rather foolish.
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IMHO, 1 more situation i think of - if having current value of money of RM300K emergency funds
AND having >RM3.3M (ie USD1M) of easily liquidated investment assets,
medical insurance may be moot too - ie if cannot save my life with RM300K+, forgetit lor - better to leave for my family's future usage.

Of course, each individual should self-value lar up to what cost is worthwhile or not to save their own life.
my life's cheap gua sweat.gif

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post Nov 20 2014, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Nov 20 2014, 09:40 PM)
Medical insurance is still necessary as an individual to pay cost of hospitalization.

If not, the hospital bills are going to burn a hole in your wallet.
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er.. i'd think it depends on how big a wallet, thus that "hole" may or may not even scratch the wallet sweat.gif

IF i can afford to self-cover (big if la),
why would i pay admin cost +profits +commissions +hospital cost (via medical )insurance
VS
just pay hospital cost?

Buying insurance is just risk mitigation / management - and one pays a price to push that risk to someone else (insurer).
Insurer needs to pay admin +commissions +make profits for shareholders.
Thus does one really think it's cheaper VS pay by self?

Again - this is assuming one has "enough" la.
While building towards "enough" - then i'd agree that it'll be useful to mitigate or manage risk by having the RIGHT insurances for the RIGHT reasons.

just thinking.. notworthy.gif

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post Nov 21 2014, 06:22 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Nov 21 2014, 12:48 AM)
this is crazy talk.

Why would I prefer to spend paying a RM100,000 hospital bill with my OWN money when I can just maintain a medical card for RM200 monthly that covers me until I'm old.

if you're going to assume every bill is going to come in RM10,000 - RM50,000 then by all I means go ahead and use your cash if you think you have TONNES of surplus but I doubt any rich man would do that.
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Keith - have U calculated the ENTIRE cost of a medical card, from 2 years old till 99? ESPECIALLY after hitting 60 to 65 years old, pray tell how much does the real cost of insurance spikes? Please don't give me the kaka that the premium stays the same if it's an ILP - we know that bull kaka.

U being an insurance agent should know better that insurance isn't being done on a goodwill basis - it's about profits, statistically, for the insurer & its shareholders. It's called actuarial sciences, right?

Thus, using probability of payouts VS premiums received, insurers are statistically "for sure" to make profits in the long run.
Just like playing in casinos - by buying an insurance in the long term, one will be sure to "lose" as the casino is sure to "win" the more U play.

Buying insurance to move the risk from one to the insurer makes sense when one can't take on the risk themselves.
When one has built up more than sufficient emergency funds and investment assets, why would one want to PAY another premiums to manage a risk one can manage themselves?

I guess you're still "one of those" insurance agents sellers, not a thinking adviser like roystevenung & wild_card_my.
Congrats - you've just shown your hands.

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Nov 21 2014, 06:30 AM
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post Nov 21 2014, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 21 2014, 07:18 AM)
Buy insurance today, masuk hospital tomorrow, profit rclxms.gif

Buy insurance today, masuk hospital 30 years later...insurance company profit whistling.gif

Simplistic view of insurance wink.gif
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The "trick" is to ONLY "keep playing" until U don't need to pass the risk management over.
Kind of shocking when i did my children's medical insurance planning:
a. from age 2 to 99 whoa.. can literally buy "2 to 3 new bodies"
b. from age 60 or 64, the cost or premium literally spikes like mad - guess why? statistically, one will need to "go in factory" (literal translation from Cantonese) around that area.
c. add in admin cost, commissions & profits into the risk cost, and tadaa.. one gets (a.)

No way around it though unless:
1. One builds up one's assets & emergency funds to be able to risk manage themselves (with superb risk/returns & flexibility - U know medical insurances this/that gotta do, some follows certain costs only, blah blah)

2. Just dont care about risk management - happy go lucky

eh - U numbers-slayer right?
Just ask for a medical insurance only quote for 2 years old and do the maths.
By itself already shocking
Factor in inflation + opportunity costs.. and shocking.gif
That's why i personally need to save & invest, not just spending on "coverage", which will eventually kill me if disease/accident/age doesn't sweat.gif
Funny aint it - being "killed" by "coverage" costs laugh.gif

Just a thought notworthy.gif

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post Nov 21 2014, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Nov 21 2014, 11:15 AM)
do you guys think it would help if I make a video about insurances, the differences, the pros and cons between one and another? would it help people be more educated about the industry?
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It would help if ppl bothered to learn.
I shared with friends before - comparisons in Excel with summary, they also glazed over (eyes).
Dont want to know, dont care - just pay.
BTW - they aren't well off enough not to care about $ mgt tongue.gif
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QUOTE(morning06 @ Nov 22 2014, 01:18 AM)
Previously have this idea of providing insurance info but after running some test on friends and family, it seems a lot of people still don't care much about proper insurance planning. They will just buy what the common buy and what their agent suggest even after explaining to them doh.gif But again it might be my bad explanation  sweat.gif

So decided to put this mission on hold and focus on my own stuff  whistling.gif  since they don't even bother to take control after getting such info  shakehead.gif
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Same experience here.
and that is why most folks are just getting along OR in deep kaka.
Same with managing $ - most of them will say "no $ to manage, manage what?"

Instead of thinking of managing $ then will have $
Just like health & excercise/eating properly - which comes first? Be, Do then only GET mar..
gave up trying to preach - now just help beating down extreme / dangerous BS or when someone's light finally blinks on, then only i guide.


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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Nov 22 2014, 02:22 PM)
So this thread is taking another turn? From managing lifestyle expenses to seriously managing money as consulting a licensed financial adviser?

"Proper insurance planning", instead of the usual debate whether the medical card is necessary or not? smile.gif

A sub 2k in savings account to pay 1% of annual income for a financial makeover instead of the usual 'why don't you put into FD for more interest'?

I was 'entertained' by some of the bulls that were spread here; and there were some bs sales pitch here as well... and it's easy to spot them whether the posters identified themselves as agents or not.

When they do identified themselves, I tend to skip their posts... as they usually end up with the motive to sell themselves. Boring to read.  laugh.gif
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oops.. i've always thought this thread was for serious personal financial planning - like how to calculate much DEATH insurance i need based on my personal variables (dependents, age, current investment assets & savings, annual growth of investment assets & savings, debts, etc.),
OR
"how much" of a home can i afford to buy VS rent and invest the rest,
etc. etc
doh.gif tongue.gif

then it slowly became "how do i get more debt, to cover my existing debts" kinda thing and that's when flower sellers & wolves-in-sheeps-clothing started infomercials laugh.gif
nice mar to troll these on & off - to make them show their real faces.
troll hunting trolls? tongue.gif

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post Nov 22 2014, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Nov 22 2014, 12:00 PM)
I provide wholly financial-planning service at a rate of 1% of your annual income or you could ask anyone, including myself anything pertaining to your concerns about financial planning right here.

As for your current situation, you need to ask yourself if you need any fund for the short-medium-or-long term periods. Depending on these needs you can put your money in all sorts of accounts generating widely different returns but also at different risk-factors.

For example, the Unit Trust investments are best made for longer term periods due to its higher entry cost, however, it also gives better returns if your agent is productive and proactive. 

If you think you would need the money within the short term but does not want to leave it in the bank to generate less than 1% interests, there is always FD.

Let me know what you think.
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sorry to butt-in
Not bad, IMHO - 1% of annual income (net annual salary, excluding investment income right? tongue.gif ) is very reasonable based on what i've bumped into.
Yeah - it takes many hours per case to dig, understand wants & necessities then put together options.
Hopefully folks in Malaysia learns to distinguish flower sellers & jewelers "advice"
VS
real advises / consultation which takes into account necessities Vs wants & shows harsh realities options.
then only some (not all, just like 5%) will awake - tough love = hard job to make a living at laugh.gif
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jan 30 2015, 10:51 AM)
Who says we're gonna use phone to scroll through spreadsheet?

And who says I did not enter details to perform tracking? And who says I enter details into spreadsheet through phone?

Don't make assumption bro doh.gif

The reason I hated it is simple. It's not tightly integrated with the third-party mobile apps (for expense tracking, NOT budgeting).

Basically, I have to:-

1) Create my own spreadsheet and INTEGRATE these two aliens (my Budgeting spreadsheet and the imported Expense Tracking data from mobile)
2) Create the spreadsheet to compare actual spent vs. budgeted

And just for this, there's so much maintenance work required (on spreadsheet side).

I don't think I'm considered as one of those "who don't know how to use spreadsheet". It's just NOT WORTH the hassle when there's already some EXISTING software which can do two-in-one easily.

I understand that you're very well off successful person (with > millions in KWSP account), but that doesn't give you the rights to brag nor despite other's opinion.

You like to have your spreadsheet, go ahead. I had mine and I disliked the part where I have to "develop" and "maintain" (the technical side, NOT the data entry side, get it right....) my own spreadsheet
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bro - just put under ignore la
no point being disturbed by gnats & stuff.. if no value add right?
like responding to a mentally disturbed person on the street that said something about U - no point & gives them satisfaction that U acknowledged their existence laugh.gif

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