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 Personal Financial Management V3, It's all about managing your $$$

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wongmunkeong
post Apr 1 2015, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Apr 1 2015, 09:08 AM)
as pointed out by another forummer...

i like to point out is... it is NOT 'cheaper' even if you buy your medical card earlier... if you buy yours at age 30 and i bought mine when i was 20... when we are both at age 50 (barring any price hike) respectively 20 years and 30 years later... the premium is STILL the same

the only difference is
a) health condition on approval of medical condition. the older you get, the higher chance of having a health condition
b) loading on original premium as a result of health condition
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sh.. don't break ppl's rice bowl sweat.gif

the BS must continue for lousy agents to make $ neh - buy younger = cheaper... (unless U factor in total paid in life time +cost of $ AKA inflation AKA $1 when 20 = $10 when 40 kinda thing)
don't enlighten the masses lar laugh.gif

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post Apr 1 2015, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(watzisname @ Apr 1 2015, 11:26 AM)
I'm not an insurance agent
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my apologies - wasn't saying U were.
there are several lar in LYN who on & off obviously advise "buy early = cheaper".
of course, there are some good ones that spell out what to watch out for too like roystevenung (so impressed, that i bought from him)
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post Apr 1 2015, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(watzisname @ Apr 1 2015, 05:48 PM)
Ah ok, can you maybe share what he said? For myself, I only bought insurance at 30 yrs old
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laugh.gif i spent a few days asking Qs, testing Qs & real Qs - drilling him leh.
can't recall all BUT the biggest impact to me was:

1. Life insurance with critical payout
The norm = 3rd or 4th stage (susah to save life liao) cancer or similar, baru payout
AND norm claims take >1 mth for critical illness payout
THUS don't rely on life insurance with critical illness payout to save life of love ones

I stupid - bought one for my daughter long time back, mainly for critical, not for death payout.
Now changed - beefed up her medical and bugger the life/death with critical (since i don't rely on her economically)


2. Medical insurances in MY
Generally all have a clause with something to the effect:
IF U have been overseas (over causeway too) for >XX days consecutively
U aint covered even if U are back in MY

I quickly changed my girl's medical to "overseas" insurer.. crazy..

The 2 above remember clearly coz gave me a good scare (worrier here) and made me run like mad to cover the "gaping holes"
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post Apr 1 2015, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(watzisname @ Apr 1 2015, 06:10 PM)
Oh I opted for the early payout on the critical illness insurance, so stage 1 cancer can claim already. But premium is more expensive.

Didn't know about the overseas thing.. I need to ask my agent

Thanks man
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Stage 1 can claim is not normal/general life critical illness
there are "speedup or something" type where customer can claim even if stage 1
and yes, U are spot on - premiums are HIGHer

Insurance is a no brainer
Insurance company isnt in it for charity or goodwill, it's PROFITs after paying admin + bonuses +sales commissions & the targets hit vacations tongue.gif

Thus, the risk they are covering for us is charged +premium for THEM, cost to us.
The higher the risk to them, the more blood they want from us
Insurance is needed to manage risk UNTIL one can manage with their own wealth (if ever) OR for estate planning (for that mistress or two when i die laugh.gif )

Just a thought
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post Apr 1 2015, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(davewave @ Apr 1 2015, 06:46 PM)
Does that mean it's not a local insurance company??
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simple clarification: bought medical insurance in THAT country tongue.gif
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post Apr 2 2015, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(davewave @ Apr 2 2015, 03:22 PM)
ok...  blink.gif Mind if I ask which?? Time to check it out drool.gif
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er.. buy medical insurance in the country she spend most time in lar.
If U buy in THAT country, sure U'll be covered here in MY but... sure U want the headache of Forex, payment, etc.?
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post Apr 2 2015, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(beebee @ Apr 2 2015, 05:02 PM)
so boss, the conclusion is that worth it to get an insurance for young children if your company does gives coverage but way minimal coverage?

and if we were to get one, to get oversea insurer?

so basically to get medical + critical illness which pays on stage 1 and ignore the life part as we does not depends on them

correct?
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er.. boss dalam bilik. i eKuli je tongue.gif
Anyhow - bottom line is "know what U need, know what U buy, buy what U need" laugh.gif

no 1 size fit all lar dei.
eg. 1
critical illness that pays on stage 1? if it's of value to U to manage that risk with EXTRA premium. Yes, it's higher premium than the norm critical illness coverage.

eg. 2
medical insurance - well, eventually - around 60 to 64, the premium jumps so high that.. if U count total premiums paid (if U live till 80 or 90), U already can finance several surgeries liao.

Thus, personally - i'm using insurances now to cover risks i can't cover myself yet.
However, part of my goals are to be able to afford to cover medical and death risks myself eventually. <fingers crossed, plans drawn-executing-tracking-tweaking>
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post Apr 2 2015, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Apr 2 2015, 08:24 PM)
Wong sifu please teach. thank you
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"see food" <hungry> lar notworthy.gif
if U or yr love ones spend like 90 to 120 days out of MY consecutively, best to buy specific medical insurances that covers such. from the sample run-of-the-mill PRU, AIA, GE, Manulife ones that i saw,
all has that xx days exclusion clause and doesn't cover insured if it happens,
even though insured is back in MY.

Note - this was about 2 to 3 years ago when i was reviewing my "everything" (Wills, trusts, insurances, etc).
Let me go poke RoyStevenUng to see if things have gotten better in the local insurance market - though i wont be holding my breath sweat.gif
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post Apr 22 2016, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 22 2016, 12:14 PM)
Bro, your interest rate concept is wrong. House loan is reducing balance, while car loan is straight line.

So, car loan interest is roughly 2 time the quoted rate. If the bank say is 3.5%, then the effective interest is around 7%. House loan is always cheaper than car loan, personal loan and the like

Your plan is not a good plan.
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i think that fellow forumer is another one conned/misled by flat-rate interest VS effective rate interest
these financial institutions should be made to comply with certain marketing & communication standards.
urgh

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Apr 22 2016, 12:19 PM
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post Apr 22 2016, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 22 2016, 12:20 PM)
Somebody must complain the BNM. And I nominate our wong seafood  thumbup.gif
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Kak Zeti still has her hands full with fatboys' issues, no time to answer my WhatsApp message laugh.gif sweat.gif
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post May 3 2016, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(sniperz @ May 3 2016, 07:50 PM)
If you repurchase your units and get cash, I think that's the only thing. Forfeit the units in days or such to get the cash. Yes, it is possible I think?
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sigh... please do not state or ask such Q.
as a PubMut agent or any UTC, U should know better.

this is WHY some are saying 3 legged-cat kungfu want to show-off or cari prospects.
Add value la, not confusion

note - in nowhere did the forumer state his bro/friend age

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post May 4 2016, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(sniperz @ May 4 2016, 09:26 AM)
Hi, typical fellow. I'm just thinking of an idea. I know many anti-socials in the finance forum here. That's why we are not trying to "fish" people here. You can say how much and be "Senior" , "Elite" of posting. Please talk properly and stop assuming.

Typical Peninsular geeks smile.gif Since you quote me, I shoot you back. Happy? Reasonable please. Add value? I'm shooting value back for some of you people. Kings of assumption. Don't tag if nobody talks to you.
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1. Do U understand what a forum is?
a. A forum is where people share & talk/think things out - especially Finance, Business & Investment thread.
b. There is no "personal talk" or stepping on toes if one were to interject in any posts, if one provides evidence/reasoning
c. People here (this thread) talk numbers, proof, evidence, etc. - well, should anyway BUT U as a UTC are saying item (2.)

2. U, as a UTC, should know better than to state that people can use EPF A/C1 --> Unit Trust --> Cash out unless that person is no longer contributing to EPF.

3. Sending me a personal PM, "geeking" me?
seriously?
+ reporting my post which i stated (2.) and telling U why some folks think what they think of U because a UTC itself don't know the law?
U & Supersound deserve each other.
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post May 4 2016, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 4 2016, 12:38 PM)
He sent the same warning to me when I posted that he's fishing for customer. More or less the same content. Gave him some nice advice but apparently he thinks it as provoking him.

Well maybe sifu wong should show hand as a DIY and make him jelly?
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No point clarifying / helping some folks.
Like i said, Supersound & Sniperz deserve each other.

I've learned long ago about bringing cows to water Vs getting cows to drink laugh.gif
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post Jun 21 2016, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(kengyan @ Jun 21 2016, 09:23 AM)
10 years back where got this type? As long as money in the bank, you can't take it out. But because of this, it is better.
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er.. I was using SCB's flexi mortgage in 2001 - that's more than 10 years back.
Yes - it's flexi mortgage like these days (or better, since no minimum usage of loan is required)

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post Jun 21 2016, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 21 2016, 09:36 AM)
Fully paid house will free up your cash flow. That thinking of having lots of house on loans is exactly what cause the US crisis.

If something unforseen were to happen, can you service 4 loans at a time?
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i'd rather think of it as "Response-ABLE leveraging" -
ie. if one can service loans (any number of home loans or loans) with no issues even if kaka happens
AND the rates are right/good (for the usage),
why not?

The only reasons i see one shouldn't be doing so are:
1. dunno / unclear (CRYSTAL CLEAR) of what to do with the $
2. dunno / unclear of the risks (+ buffer)
3. just want to be debt free (a good thing, may not necessarily be great for growth but it is a good feeling - been there before tongue.gif )

Just thinking - no absolute right / wrong notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 21 2016, 04:58 PM)
Your calculations are correct.

The only differing bit is how you evaluate your property. It should always be based on average actual transacted property sales. I usually have a buffer of 10-15% when I evaluate my property value based on transacted prices.
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i'm lagi kiasi - i value my properties based on last bank-lelong reserved price tongue.gif
feels good to value them at "hot prices" though - feel saja lar, not prudent of me laugh.gif
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post Jun 21 2016, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(velo @ Jun 21 2016, 05:11 PM)
BTW, for the saving portion of NAV, don't you think that we should also take out the EPF/pension fund/insurance cash value etc from calculation too?

To me I consider all those are "non-accessible" until you reach certain age. Should not be reflected in our current NAV. Agree?

Actually I'll also take out the house that I'm currently staying from calculation too. This is the one property that I cannot afford to sell as everyone need a roof to live as well.
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good PoV

Personally, i keep "2 books" - 1 for the banks in "their language" of net worth
VS
prudent-style, which is like your PoV - ie. don't count primary home, doodads (cars, airplanes, yachts, that 100" 4K wrap-around TV tongue.gif )

Thus, easier to talk "proper data" with right people tongue.gif
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post Jun 24 2016, 01:57 PM

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the devil's in the details kua?
asset & sub-asset allocation, currency/country location, buffers, how much is enough lv1, 2, 3, etc
then
when kicked the bucket.. how to share without causing world war 3 OR want to control from beyond the grave via trust funds,
all with as low tax or expenses VS value? tongue.gif

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post Jul 29 2016, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 29 2016, 08:58 AM)
Nope. Don't think so. Neither his portfolio or NAV has anything in the region of >RM1mil. If u read his historical posts you might understand.
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er.. why bother arguing logic/maths with the illogical + hunting down historical illogical posts ar?
Do like Frozen - let it go... let it go.. laugh.gif
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post Jul 29 2016, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 29 2016, 09:13 AM)
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Eh, ru going for the RHB Private Equity Opportunity Fund 1?
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nah, i'm now consolidating my paper equities to my US TOS a/c for doing covered calls - to reduce costs basis / increase yield. must bite the bullet liao - bleeding 1.5%pa to 2%pa for management fees banyak sakit cry.gif

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