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English Clubs Chelsea FC V22, BPL - Southampton 0 - 3 Chelsea

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post Dec 30 2013, 02:06 PM

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Actually we have a lot of promising youngsters, just that Mou thinks they are not ready yet.

Chalobah, McEachren, Kalas, Wallace, Thorgan Hazard, Piazon, Davila, Bertrand Traore. If we were a german club like Dortmund, all of this youths will play for sure. thumbup.gif
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post Dec 30 2013, 03:33 PM

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It's the half way point of the season dy. Week 19 just passed. The business end of the season has just started. Let's hope we get a big win over Southampton. thumbup.gif
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post Dec 30 2013, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Dec 30 2013, 02:18 PM)
I think everyone knew deep in their hearts that it would take a great deal of effort and masterful performance to get something out of City and Chelsea. Against City we did extremely well. We matched their ambition and attacking prowess but we couldn't repeat the same feat against a Mourinho side - especially when it comes to underhand tactics. I despise Mourinho but i think he played a blinder in this match. He knew Webb would be forgiving for harsh play as who can possibly forget Webb's disgraceful performance at world cup for allowing Holland to kick Spain into the ground and allowing Van Bommel to walk for kicking Alonso in the chest. So he let Eto do that dirty work, knowing he has enough strikers to come in to replace Eto - whom i reckon, knew was going to get subbed hence the change of kits at half time. City allowed us to play, Mourinho didn't and that's something we need to learn and adapt to.
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quoted from Liverpool's tered.

Seriously? Will a manager go this far to check a referee this detail and play a physical/rough game? I really can't brain this. doh.gif

Just because we found a way (Luiz in DM) to counter Suarez and our defenders played brilliantly now they give Mou such accusation. doh.gif
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post Dec 30 2013, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(soulseeker6187 @ Dec 30 2013, 04:13 PM)
Powerful weed he have there tongue.gif .
Maybe its true mou will analyze everything including referee background biggrin.gif
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It's a bit out of a manager's hand imo. Depending on referees shakehead.gif , I think Mou will spend more time to attend liverpool's game, watching liverpool's recent games, finding out a way to counter Suarez. All this seems more possible. But to the extend of checking a referee's background. shakehead.gif
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post Dec 30 2013, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Dec 30 2013, 04:32 PM)
You don't think a top manager like Mourinho who is meticulous in his approach to the game doesn't do his homework on referees ? The little details like match officials, pitch and weather conditions, and etc can be crucial as these elements play a role in the game. English referees are more likely to tolerate physical play where as other European officials - especially from Spain, may not like excessive physical contact. And as for physical/rough tactic, he himself said this post match. "For some weeks I have been criticising him (Eto) a lot internally for his failure to adapt to what the Premier League is in terms of physicality so if he had a tackle deserving of a card it was my fault because I'm asking him to adapt to this". I have no problems with his tactics because it clearly worked for him in the past i.e. Porto, Inter , Real etc. But to say that Mourinho doesn't resort to underhand tactics is to say Suarez is an angle on the pitch.
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Well said. Mou is indeed a very meticulous manager. But still, imo, I dun think he will let our game depend on the referee. He must have a plan or tactic or something. smile.gif
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post Dec 30 2013, 04:46 PM

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Maybe the supporters of the other team still duno bout Mou.

He is that type of manager that protects his team no matter what happens. If we lose a game, he will blame himself for the tactic. If there is some negative news, he will speak up. He likes to attract the media attention and the troubles along with it, just so that he can make sure that his team and players are protected and not under attack by the media. Typical Mou I would say. thumbup.gif

He is really a player's choice of manager. He is willing to attract all the unwanted attention just so that his players have less pressure from the unwanted attention given to them.
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post Dec 30 2013, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(volrath @ Dec 30 2013, 09:01 PM)
Guys,

I remember 1 blues fellow fan linked a site that allow us to download full match.

I didn't watch the match and I wanna dl it.

Hope any of you handsome men can provide me that again. Thanks!
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http://www.footballorgin.com/2013/12/premi...sea-v_4584.html

There u go mate. U can either watch online or use idm to dl it. thumbup.gif

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post Dec 30 2013, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Dec 30 2013, 06:58 PM)
I have no problems with his defensive approach to the game. He always like his midfield to be a workhorse and tough on the tackle. I watch tons of Liverpool and Everton derbies and there's always tackles flying around. But there's a difference between that and Mourinho's team setting up for aggression. When he was at Real, he did similar things to Barca - always trying to provoke and beat them into submission. I initially didn't think much of the challenge made on Henderson but when Mourinho claimed he didn't see the incident then i knew he was lying and felt its one of those Mourinho's tactics at play. Don't get me wrong, i see the merits of such tactics but i'm not a fan of it - especially when you are on the receiving end of it.

As for diving, you get no disagreement from me. I hate it and i cringe if and when i see Liverpool players try to make a meal out of challenges. But for me Suarez this season hasn't gone out of his way looking for penalties. He hasn't done a Young dive if you get what i mean.

In regards to yellow cards, refer to http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...-red-cards.html
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Well, if playing aggressively/physically can win you games against one of the top side in the world (Barca), why not? If playing beautiful football is a tactic, I don't see why playing physical football is not a tactic either. Beauty is at it's beholder's eye. smile.gif

Well, Mou could really have not seen the incident, OR he was trying to cover up for Eto. He did told Eto to be more physical and aggressive before when Eto start playing in the PL. That's just the way it is, Stoke, Man City, Everton, as we all know, PL teams is more physical and aggressive. So basically I think Mou was covering up that he did indeed instructed Eto to be more aggressive. But this does not mean he told Eto 'Go into tackles with ur studs in and injured Henderson' right? Maybe it was just Eto's fault. smile.gif

For the last one. I have no comment. If it happens at Liverpool, will BR think of the bigger picture, and get his players booked, so that their card will not carry forward to the knockout stage? I think BR will do so, but maybe not get caught. biggrin.gif

icon_rolleyes.gif Just having some healthy discussion of tactics used by Chelsea and Liverpool. Don't get me wrong.

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post Dec 30 2013, 09:56 PM

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Was watching Match of The Day and I notice in another post match interview where Mou was sitting down. He was complaining, 'why the pundits, the commentators everyone is ex Liverpool? All ex liverpool players, why no ex Man Utd or ex Chelsea? When I retire at age 75, I will go apply job as pundit to defend Chelsea.' I lel at this. thumbup.gif
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post Dec 30 2013, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Dec 30 2013, 10:12 PM)
Of course you would back aggressive physical tactic as it's your current setup. But we're not talking about English physical game, that is a given. There is English physical and there is Pulis's Stoke physical. The former implies intensity and directness in the game, the other relies on attacking the players rather than playing the ball. Even Stoke ended up sacking Pulis because after awhile it gets really boring and ugly to watch. Now I'm not saying you are the new Stoke because i know Chelsea have enough quality to play sublime football. Which brings me to the point i made earlier about doing your homework on referees. Some refs tolerate excessive aggression others not so much. So far Webb has neither send off nor award a penalty this season, so if that's not a warm invitation to kick your opponents then i don't know what is. There were some very aggressive tackles on our players - the stud showing knee tackle on Hendo, the karate chop on Suarez (which i admit made me lol at the time), and the scissor tackle on Lucas. Those are just from the top of my head. Honestly i have no problems if that's how you intent to play and frankly i didn't come to this thread crying about it. My post was quoted and i feel obliged to reply. My concern is always about my team and in this instance, we weren't prepared to fight aggression but i hope we won't get Webb in your next visit to Anfield smile.gif
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Well. I quoted ur post coz in my honest opinion Mou would not go so detail into a referee's past, at most he'll think 'Ok, it's Webb, we can play a little more aggressively.' But that's just my opinion. I have to admit that Eto's challenge on Hendo deserves a yellow card, the karate chop? This I really missed it. blink.gif For the Oscar's 2 footed challenge, I would say it's late in the game, extra time, adrenaline pumping, so ref ignored it. But I'm pretty sure with all the attacking talents that we have, we won't be playing the Pulis' style football. thumbup.gif After all, Mou did say he wanted to inject a new style into a new Chelsea team. smile.gif
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post Dec 30 2013, 10:43 PM

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o.0 Are u sure u watch the whole match? The score is 0-0, but the game played through out does not feel like a 0-0 for me. It's exciting. smile.gif First half we were playing very good offensively, second half we did dropped a gear and allowed Arsenal to have more possession iinm, and second half again, we defended superbly. tongue.gif
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post Dec 30 2013, 10:56 PM

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...pool-stars.html

The post match interview was damn funny by Mou. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 31 2013, 12:28 AM

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I think the key word here is underhand tactic.

An attacking team will think a possession playing team is playing an underhand tactic.
A possession playing team will think that a defensive team is playing an underhand tactic.

So this underhand tactic actually has difference definition for different teams. Every teams seems to have different underhand tactics to each other. So yea. This is how football is, tactics, ways to counter opponent's tactics, which might be doubted as underhand tactic to the opposition coz it actually works. tongue.gif

Anyway.

QUOTE(hfi @ Dec 30 2013, 10:32 PM)
I hope so. As a neutral i tend to watch your match from time to time. Woke up the other week just to watch the Arsenal and Chelsea match and it put me right back to sleep tongue.gif I believe your first half performance against us was arguably your best football this season ?
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I'm feeling a bit lost here. Your siggy shows ur a loyal Liverpool fan, but now u say ur a neutral fan? rclxub.gif

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post Dec 31 2013, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Dec 31 2013, 08:37 AM)
chelseafc360 Transfer Rumors
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Cole, I think he still has it in him. To be honest I want to see Cole end his career and retire in Chelsea. cry.gif

I would say no for a swap involving Costa and Courtois. Courtois is just 21 while Costa is 25. Plus a goalkeeper has longer careers imo. Not worth the deal. If we can buy Costa alone then it is a good deal. rclxms.gif
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post Dec 31 2013, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(chitchat @ Dec 31 2013, 09:47 AM)
Hmm just youtube COSTA, macam so so only neh, i also youtube J.MARTINEZ. I prefer MARTINEZ, COSTA goal macam old TORRES, finishing after receiving a good pass. Come CHELSEA cannot get the same type of pass gg.com. I prefer striker that can do some magic on his own.
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I agree with u bro, on the bolded part. But Martinez is less famous compared to Costa. Maybe bcoz La Liga is more famous than Portugal league. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 31 2013, 12:14 PM

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To be honest, Costa, Martinez, Falcao or Lewan. Just sign any1 of them! thumbup.gif Hope we really can inject some new strike force for our attack. brows.gif
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post Dec 31 2013, 08:30 PM

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Happy New Year too all the true blues here. Wishing all of u to have a prosperous new year. May Chelsea win a major trophy too. Champions League or the EPL brows.gif. May Torres have a better goal scoring form in this new year. May Lamps continue to score double digit goals in the PL. Am I being too greedy? tongue.gif
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post Dec 31 2013, 09:21 PM

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Anyway, how is Iva's injury? Got update? If he is confirmed to be absent for Southampton's game I need to sub him out for my FPL. brows.gif
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post Dec 31 2013, 10:35 PM

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Yup. Our pivot is a prob now with Lamps injured, Luiz suspended (off to holiday in Portugal biggrin.gif), MVG just return to training (not match fit imo).

Only Ram, Essien and Mikel boleh pakai. hmm.gif I think Ram + Mikel will be used by Mou against S'ton.
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post Dec 31 2013, 11:00 PM

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S'ton should not be taken lightly, altho their recent form is not so gud, but they still have some quality players.

Knowing Mou, I think he will play it safe with Mikel + Ram combo. Altho Essien is 1 of Mou's fav player and Oscar can play in pivot too, I think Mou will play it safe with Mikel + Ram combo.

Just letting my imagination run wild. What if Mou play 4-3-3 and play Ram + Mikel + Essien in the mid? drool.gif

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