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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V52, jit jit jiiiit jiiiiiiiit jiiiiiiiit

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post Oct 24 2013, 09:16 PM

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post Oct 24 2013, 09:33 PM

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bawse bawse sekalian,

i have a noob question. I have a Standard(Auto) Saga FLX. My car dont have sound from front speakers? i never ask the SC/SA. cry.gif
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post Oct 24 2013, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Oct 24 2013, 08:55 PM)
Just retighten again the side bar abit loose. after midnight go out test run
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QUOTE(victor131490 @ Oct 24 2013, 09:33 PM)
bawse bawse sekalian,

i have a noob question. I have a Standard(Auto) Saga FLX. My car dont have sound from front speakers? i never ask the SC/SA.  cry.gif
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standard variant only two rear speakers...
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post Oct 24 2013, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(victor131490 @ Oct 24 2013, 09:33 PM)
bawse bawse sekalian,

i have a noob question. I have a Standard(Auto) Saga FLX. My car dont have sound from front speakers? i never ask the SC/SA.  cry.gif
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No front speaker la
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post Oct 24 2013, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Oct 24 2013, 09:16 PM)
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post Oct 24 2013, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Oct 24 2013, 09:55 PM)
sweat.gif  sweat.gif how long liao?
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A month plus rclxub.gif
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post Oct 24 2013, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Oct 24 2013, 10:01 PM)
A month plus rclxub.gif
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post Oct 24 2013, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Oct 24 2013, 04:47 PM)
When they said 5k, then you 5k go back...10k warranty bye bye, i confirm to you.

Bacause they will told you booklet is wrong...
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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Oct 24 2013, 04:52 PM)
lipot lipot  whistling.gif
warranty  bye.gif
kata newbie, tapi panai change sendiri  whistling.gif
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haha noted... biggrin.gif

Next service oil! Petronas Fully synthetic ... Engine smooth... Wallet also smooth... rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 24 2013, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 24 2013, 12:37 PM)
yeap pretty much what sifu said above.

speaking of half past 6 road jobs... by right, when you pave roads you need to scrape off all the old tarmac/debris, reinforce/flatten/smoothen the base and THEN only you cover with tarmac.

the way our msian guys do it, just straight paving, the end result is that you eventually get roads thicker, to the point it is thicker than the divider/barrier (where there's usually passage way/drainage for rain water to escape) at the side and by any chance your wheels slip in... wave.gif
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Saw with your own eyes how they paved? Hehe
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post Oct 24 2013, 11:36 PM

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Did proton wired up our front speaker ready? Or no wiring at all? Care to share the size that the door can fit?

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Oct 24 2013, 09:31 AM)
Can you explain why TOE will run away? I saw the screw that determine the toe angle, i dun know how to describe, but my feeling tell me TOE should be last longer than camber. icon_question.gif

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First of all, why alignment will lari? Take a look at the picture you posted. After the adjusting nut, immediately is the tie rod. That end was secured with a diameter around 3 inches rubber. After a while you drive, the rubber get harden, more free play on the tie end, you get all sort of funny toe reading.

Take not, the tie rod is attached on the knuckle that host the wheel bearing/drive shaft/disc brakes. At the bottom, it connected to another big bar, which is the lower arm. The connection point is a big round thing, that is the lower arm bush. If this part of rubber is too new(soft), your alignment will lari almost immediately after you drove off the alignment scale.

Just incase if you still not die heart to accept the fact alignment WILL lari, here's the picture of what normal LOWER ARM looks like.
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There's another 2 more mounting points that will contribute to alignment lari other than the 1 I explained above.

The above are the major contributor of alignment lari. So, what about camber? Regardless, I have previously said, camber screw are after market part for those who can't afford to change suspension bushing. Have a look at below picture, you'll immediately know why camber goes out even didn't hit pot hole. As long those numbered part got movement, the rubber will wear off/get harden and create clearance. Once clearance became significant, then it become camber misaligned/toe misaligned or both.

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QUOTE(dares @ Oct 24 2013, 12:23 PM)
So tomoro no TT?

if tader I will attend another TT.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 24 2013, 02:18 PM)
shouldn't be, replaced last year iinm...
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k 403 days ago lol

oh dug this up too in the process laugh.gif
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davidke20 titanrev
hmm, that day we talked about it, i mistaken the hp/torque. torque drops about 4/4.5k rpm unsure.gif
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Which is why your 3AT refused to drop gear whistling.gif Coz your higher RPM were useless, or to be more exact it's only a noise generator after that RPM. There's a reason why they name it TORQUE CONVERTER geh whistling.gif The amount of fluid passing around the fins are already fixed to the amount of torque it will change gear at certain speed yawn.gif



QUOTE(lokop @ Oct 24 2013, 02:48 PM)
When I release steering , the steering turn left and car go left also. When stering straight , the car may slowly go right .
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Toe lari. Pergi alignment lagi. Your current alignment totally fucked up.

Pay attention, after konar your steering will auto correct back or you need to force the steering to turn back? Get alignment guy to check whether steering bush sudah haus.

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Oct 25 2013, 12:18 AM)
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my camber last time check already lari, dunno now how liao haha...

left -1.7 right -0.8, find a day need to do alignment already.. coz recently kena few small potholes... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Oct 25 2013, 12:18 AM)
Which is why your 3AT refused to drop gear whistling.gif Coz your higher RPM were useless, or to be more exact it's only a noise generator after that RPM. There's a reason why they name it TORQUE CONVERTER geh whistling.gif The amount of fluid passing around the fins are already fixed to the amount of torque it will change gear at certain speed yawn.gif
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haha 2>1 is the hard part. 3 > 2 can be dropped EASILY so long i am under 6k rpm. in fact during sepang, at times i DO NOT want the gear to drop (slight down hill and considering racing line it is a straight WOT line without need to corner), it drops laugh.gif
basically it downshifts for 1 sec, realized it was stupid, then up shift again. imagine that in a MT la, basically waste of torque right there.

that aside, there is acceleration to consider in conjunction to wheel load (up or down hill) and what gear you are at in relation to your rpm very similar to a MT would (try shift 5th gear from 3rd on an up hill biggrin.gif )
the torque converter is a double edged sword, both a blessing and a curse.
and regardless of all that's said, i'm on a TC that has a design/engineering of 30 years old, not the GOD LIKE modern Honda/Toyota TC that has at least 4-6 speed gears and have very minimal power loss that lolVW is considering on going TC because "people don't like DSG" whistling.gif
it basically means i'm dealing with about 20-30% power loss on just my TC alone compared to other people's 4g15 on MT sad.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 25 2013, 01:24 AM)
haha 2>1 is the hard part. 3 > 2 can be dropped EASILY so long i am under 6k rpm. in fact during sepang, at times i DO NOT want the gear to drop (slight down hill and considering racing line it is a straight WOT line without need to corner), it drops laugh.gif
basically it downshifts for 1 sec, realized it was stupid, then up shift again. imagine that in a MT la, basically waste of torque right there.

that aside, there is acceleration to consider in conjunction to wheel load (up or down hill) and what gear you are at in relation to your rpm very similar to a MT would (try shift 5th gear from 3rd on an up hill biggrin.gif )
the torque converter is a double edged sword, both a blessing and a curse.
and regardless of all that's said, i'm on a TC that has a design/engineering of 30 years old, not the GOD LIKE modern Honda/Toyota TC that has at least 4-6 speed gears and have very minimal power loss that lolVW is considering on going TC because "people don't like DSG" whistling.gif
it basically means i'm dealing with about 20-30% power loss on just my TC alone compared to other people's 4g15 on MT sad.gif
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So, basically your iswaga is 3 speed DSG. 1st and 3rd gear 1 clutch, 2nd and R gear 1 clutch rclxm9.gif

Torque konveter turbine flow already disturbed. Where possible got enough torque it drop gear, then suddenly realize over power and shift up again? As I told you, the turbine are fixed ratio. Only external factor will affect it's gear change decision. Wrong oil visco? Transmission clutch disc slipped? Many possibilities as automatic transmission has much more component controlled by kinetic movement physically than manual.
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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 25 2013, 01:24 AM)
walau... u orang arh... 1 day 100+ post... i old liao kennot keep up liao...
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one question: How many km can i postpone for 1k service? Cuz mine is reaching 960 liao, but havent keluar salary for service. Can postpone until berapa km before habis warranty?
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Oct 25 2013, 02:05 AM)
So, basically your iswaga is 3 speed DSG. 1st and 3rd gear 1 clutch, 2nd and R gear 1 clutch rclxm9.gif

Torque konveter turbine flow already disturbed. Where possible got enough torque it drop gear, then suddenly realize over power and shift up again? As I told you, the turbine are fixed ratio. Only external factor will affect it's gear change decision. Wrong oil visco? Transmission clutch disc slipped? Many possibilities as automatic transmission has much more component controlled by kinetic movement physically than manual.
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i wish it's a DSG laugh.gif

and yes, you are absolutely right on the external factor.
guess what else is connected to the AT box? throttle input. and i'm WOT'ing at low rpm, which by its TCU, it will tell the AT box to downshift to provide extra torque, however as i said, it's already on a down hill and i had my ignition advanced with octane boosters to prevent knocking. about 1 sec only i'm in the redline on 2nd gear and the AT box realizes that and quickly upshifts.

remember what i said on the blessing/curse? in this case i guess it is a blessing in the sense that if it's a MT, the clutching action (granted, i'm not a good MT driver and/or used to short shifters) would take ages while on the TC, it's almost seamless considering the expensive lubes i feed it. but 1-2 seconds of wasted torque is still there from the 2 shifts.

speaking of oil visco, on the last few laps of my 2nd run, basically where everything is overheating/overheated to hell, the AT box is yielding as well... no ATF cooler, even good fluid means nothing when its oil is expanded/thinned and 3rd gear has over 2-3 second delay in shifts. was often stuck on 7.5-8k rpm on the straight despite i'm in D. it was to the point i had to let go throttle a bit and let the AT Box do its job with lesser engine pressure.

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