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post Oct 6 2013, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(garybenjamin @ Oct 6 2013, 01:33 AM)
COngrat for new thread .... ~ by the way noted that after today easy you tuning ... it was better and more gas saving ^^ ... but proven that on up slope from idle to running still need to tune ... as just now at viva home when exit gonna die off i immediate switch to petrol to save it ahahaha

and thanks for YAB selling me the taxi spring ... front passenger feel more confort bt rear got abit bumpy which noted the center weight distribution had changed to rear passenger there rather than at boot (before taxi spring install)
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cool2.gif Slow down on speed bumps please. Reason being, GaGa designed the chassis seating right below the rear brake hub. With taxi spring, the rear tofu beam has been pulled down. Center of gravity at the back has been pulled up. You may have slightly better stability at cornering, but the high COG will cause more bodyroll. Just take note and start to get use to it. I recommend after you've rejuvenate from NGV installation damage, go for Ular Cacing side bar. As far as I know, your current setup are all the strengthening part are focusing at the back of the car. Your NGV tank mounting is also another strong point to held your boot area together. Coupled with taxi spring, your backyard has became a tank ready for war. With side bars, it will remove chassis BEND and transfer all the good feelings from your backend to your front. You'll feel your front suspension being upgraded. You'll feel tyre traction increase. You'll feel the car is very together.

p/s: I'm not an Ular Cacing fan, but gotta admit I fell in love with their side bars.
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post Oct 6 2013, 07:54 AM

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post Oct 6 2013, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Oct 6 2013, 09:53 AM)
Tested the ular oren... throttle response didnt change much, but aircon compressor kick in is almost non-existant brows.gif

Thanks davidke20 notworthy.gif
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post Oct 6 2013, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Oct 6 2013, 04:12 PM)
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Nicely done. Now wait for that thing, then we see how much it gain baru decide whether go for next level cool2.gif
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post Oct 7 2013, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(garybenjamin @ Oct 6 2013, 05:32 PM)
thumbup.gif  notworthy.gif  now when go speed bump i go extreamly slow coz i really scare toufu beam x tahan  .... side bar roughly how much per pair ? need to budget for it ....
current pending mod list:
1. light crank pulley
2. Ular cacing side bar
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If not mistaken it was RM135/side. Pasang at EA Autoworks drexchan

QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Oct 6 2013, 06:04 PM)
Less resistance ma...
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300amp.... even if you plonk 10 meters also no difference on the resistance level yawn.gif

QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Oct 6 2013, 07:33 PM)
Is it me, or after pasang ular oren >4k rpm got more pull? hmm.gif
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evening switched on all the lights & akon try again whistling.gif
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post Oct 7 2013, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(DonMe @ Oct 6 2013, 08:42 PM)
Depends on your right foot, normally is 300-450km.
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He say FL brader. 4AT gaga very hard to achieve, unless constant speed. Don't ask me why, the same layout Persoga turns out better FC then the GaGa 4AT blink.gif

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post Oct 7 2013, 06:30 AM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Oct 7 2013, 01:25 AM)
bang, spin rear on? whistling.gif
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On, but lack of juice for the time being.
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post Oct 7 2013, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Oct 7 2013, 10:47 AM)
considered reserved? or u wanna pay rm10 to reserve it? coz stuff with my member, not me. just to secure it before he dump it to the tong sampah. LOL tongue.gif
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I offer 100, sumore ask me top up to 150. Now wanna throw away pulak. Go nego for RM50 lar. I pay you RM50 commission better whistling.gif
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post Oct 7 2013, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Oct 7 2013, 08:55 PM)
may need new ball joints rclxub.gif

davidke20 next week TT ada join?
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May not due to family commitment
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post Oct 8 2013, 06:32 AM

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QUOTE(Eugene91 @ Oct 7 2013, 09:22 PM)
Hello all, I wonder if anyone is using this  "sound proof" http://www.lelong.com.my/proton-saga-blm-s...7-01-Sale-I.htm

Is it useful?
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Like this is more effective
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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Oct 8 2013, 06:03 AM)
Nope..doesn't help much...almost negligible difference...i has this on my car, and frankly speaking, considering how noisy my engine is, this isn't worth it..
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post Oct 8 2013, 06:36 AM

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QUOTE(Eugene91 @ Oct 8 2013, 06:30 AM)
thanks for the info, well the engine noise isn't that loud anyways when i'm driving only around 2k rpm  blush.gif
Above that, I guess the CamPro's power will be unleashed  brows.gif
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Not only the noise, it's the heat that causes faded paint quozacolt
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post Oct 8 2013, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Oct 8 2013, 10:24 AM)
bro a question about the taxi spring you used.

if normal driving,  no climbing of curb or off road,  any noticeable benefits?

How much it costs and where to get?
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Compromise comfort, in exchange of ground sticking. Bodyroll increase, in exchange of clearance. <RM150 from SiuYi

QUOTE(SiuYi @ Oct 8 2013, 02:23 PM)
he say rm150 nett. or it stays in the store or at the dumpyard if stored too long. LOL
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I don't like people cekik me. He ask me to offer a price, when I do, then increase me on 50%. If he early tell me straight away RM200, I nego down to 150 I feel more easier. Frankly, I got heart to buy, but not enough cash for the time being. U ask him 1 more time, if 100 let go, I die also die that money out. If insist on 150, then wait until I convenient lar. Or, might as well dump it first, then I go kolek. I'll still pay you RM100 as commission by then whistling.gif

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post Oct 8 2013, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Oct 8 2013, 07:33 PM)
lalalala~

daging lembu salai fresh from Ipoh reach my house~~~

two somemore.

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from which ass kena? shitty or goldy? which area? speed?
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post Oct 8 2013, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Oct 8 2013, 10:07 PM)
compromise comfort.  so if bring family not so good is it? body roll increase?  no wonder you need to add a room bar. hmm. how much more ground clearance?  150 sounds affordable.
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It's a TAXI spec, it doesn't compromise the comfortness on normal daily ride. Just because it increased the bounce rate due to thickness increased, you're not entitle to fly speed bumps anymore, so as speed breaker. You really need to slow down, otherwise your testicle will bounce until vomit out from your mouth.

I added room bar way before I install taxi spring, simply because I travel a lot INSIDE construction site. 1 of those crazy sites are shopping mall, when they lay the lower ground, basically any car that goes in the site will render tow truck to pull them out. Ground surface is extremely uneven, and from 1 wave to another could differ up to 5 inches. Normal road vehicle like GaGa going in, the cabin will be flex to the max. At times I was scared whether it will break my windscreen as I can hear the plastic cover on the B pillar is grinding with the door. That's exactly why the room bar has been installed.

Bodyroll increased is because vehicle height increased. Regardless taxi spring or you add a thick mounting to make the car tall, as soon as you increase vehicle height, bodyroll will increase due to center of gravity being lifted up. Law of physics.

I'm saying less than 150. You may consult Abang SiuYi directly, see whether he can arrange for you if interested.
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post Oct 8 2013, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Oct 8 2013, 10:07 PM)
how much more ground clearance?
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I have not really use a tape to measure, but it clears most roads that a 4x4 or SUV, MPV able to clear whistling.gif

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post Oct 8 2013, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(Darrenkls @ Oct 8 2013, 10:32 PM)
ahh... that long long straight road.. nearby with the place im staying..
stupid mia speed limit  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Ohh... Istana there ar. Acterly from Gunung Rapat all the way down town passby Casuarina also same road wor. Makai lastaim everytime I balik kampong also fly 140 geh that stretch unsure.gif Speaking of which, lately few years kenot fly liao ga mah? They put several annoying speed bump over there liao? Or puposely taken down all the speed bumps and put AES cool2.gif
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post Oct 9 2013, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 9 2013, 01:19 AM)
hahaha ! thanks for COD with me so fast... thanks alot bro ! biggrin.gif
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U pasang taxi spring blink.gif Can't brain blink.gif blink.gif

It would looks like this 1 lar, Silver kaler mar hai mai whistling.gif

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post Oct 11 2013, 06:28 AM

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QUOTE(namiedagreat @ Oct 11 2013, 01:38 AM)
reporting in.
Saga SV fire red. hehe
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Koreksen, it's GaGa. Ulang skali mengikut cekgu, GaGa. Plotong GaGa. Plotong GaGa SB. Oteh?

Welcome to the big family. Some of them are gay, but you don't need to bother coz they all have their own partners smile.gif And, 1 last question for you, as a standard fellow GaGa owner:

vmad.gif Why you no bai VIOS?! vmad.gif
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post Oct 11 2013, 07:06 AM

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QUOTE(Taman Linkin @ Oct 11 2013, 02:35 AM)
hi guys. im thinking of trading in my viva for saga fl exec auto. a lil bit of reading seems to say that the cvt got two different version? what makes it need different gear oil? anything important i need to know? and what the different between fl and flx?
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GaGa got several variant, basically all of them uses different transmission oil depending on model

GaGa BLM Auto = GaGa FL Auto = GaGa FL Auto 1.6
GaGa BLM Manual = GaGa FL Manual
GaGa BLM 1.6 Taxi Manual = Plotong Wajia 1.6 BJK (Bukan Jenis Kampro)

Now you know, basically FL = BLM. Tapi, what you don't know the different between BLM/FL and FLX. Below are comparison.

1) Engine
BLM/FL = IAFM. Uses vacuum suction to control fuel regulator. More mechanical, but less accuracy. Engine management computer 16bit.
FLX = IAFM+. Uses sensor to detect air intake to control fuel. More electronic, more accuracy, better fuel efficient, safer for environment with efficient burning. Engine management computer 32bit.

2) Automatic transmission
BLM/FL = Traditional multi speed transmission. 4AT in our case. Each gear has their range of travelling speed.
FLX = CVT. 1 gear, multispeed simulation, unfixed ratio. Buttery smooth acceleration. Better fuel efficiency. Slightly expansive transmission oil compare to AT/MT.

3) Suspension
FLX suspension has been tweaked to sportier and basically have better performance without compromise comfortness compare to old FL/BLM. FLX front damper has higher dampening capability, where as rear FLX spring has higher bounce rate. The rest remain unchanged.

4) Cabin
BLM/FL = Meter panel orange lumi
FLX = Meter panel white lumi

5) Brakes
None of the GaGa came with rear disc brake. There are no compatible replacement rear disc brake for GaGa. Any of those tuner claims they can modify rear disc brake is because they cut and drill the rear axle to accommodate a disc brake from other car. Only FLX Exec/SE variant came with ABS. The rest of the GaGa doesn't have.

Basically, you'll need to decide what do you really need. GaGa FL/BLM already finish stock. Do not compare FC with BiBa, because GaGa generally yield few hundrad kilo more then BiBa. Other than that, for safety reason GaGa was built thicker/tougher. Performance wise, all Campor engine are controlled by Drive By Wire. At first, you'll experience weird feeling, because you're pressing on a SENSOR, not a cable. But once you get used to it, you'll start to understand all these are gud stuff. Enclosed fuelly link, sendiri baca the horrible fuel consumption story.

http://www.fuelly.com/car/proton/saga

You'll lose 1/2 of fuel efficiency compare to BiBa. No doubt, it's a safer, bigger, slightly more powderful car. You enjoy the comfort, better sound system, so as road/engine noise, and all that came with a price tag of compromised fuel efficiency.

Hope this help.
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post Oct 11 2013, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Oct 11 2013, 10:50 AM)
Where you get the info ah? Nv heard that IAFM+ is using sensor to detect air intake. hmm.gif Not doubt you, no hard feeling.
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I'm talking about the fuel injection system, particularly pin point the fuel regulator. I have no idea whether the IAFM itself has any difference. What I'm sure about is the design of fuel rail between IAFM and IAFM+ is entirely different.

No info regarding sensor control fuel regulator on IAFM+. But it's a confirmed there isn't vacuum tube to actuates the fuel regulator on all FLX. As for BLM, the fuel regulator required vacuum suction from intake manifold to justify how much air getting in, at atmosphere 0 pressure(no suction a.k.a WOT), actuator will be fully penetrated and fuel regulator is in full force operation. Refer BLM intake photo, the fuel regulator is located behind the rocker cover, on top of IAFM near driver side between brake servo and rocker cover.

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Whereas, in IAFM+, the fuel regulator already built in. Fuel line are directly plugged in. Due to less vacuum operation actuator, intake pressure is much higher compare to IAFM(FL,BLM). Accuracy of vacuum suction are greatly improved since there isn't external actuator(多只香炉多只鬼). Due to this higher intake pressure by nature, the designed of catalyst are different between BLM(lower pressure tolerance). According to Yau Yip Ah Wai, FLX needed 3 bolts, wider platform to hold the exhaust manifold, whereas BLM only need 2. I have no visual confirmation with FLX, but I conlanfirm BLM is only 2 bolts.

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QUOTE(Taman Linkin @ Oct 11 2013, 03:44 PM)
hey thanks for the reply thumbup.gif  still haven't answer my gearbox oil question though tongue.gif and dbw im not worried about it, my weekend car both dbw. just hope it dont have too much signal lag biggrin.gif
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DbW signal is not lag, but the engine management is. Will need time to get used to it. Otherwise, do some cheap mod can improve it, provided you're into DIY. Gear oil, ofcourse will have difference, cause all of them using different gear box. All you need to do is read the spec plate by the B pillar at driver door side, you'll know what oil to be used. For me, mine is manual transmission, I don't really give a fuck as long it's not LSD/AT/CVT oil. Refer to my earlier comment, old FL/BLM uses Automatic Transmission fluid, whereas FLX uses CVT fluid.

What year is your BiBa? Spec? If you plan to sell anything higher then Mudah.My, then you need to pelanpelantunggu.com.my. Consumer are not that dumb to buy a car without looking at Mudah.My nowadays. Due to my crappy job nature, I'm widely involved in used car dealing business(despite I don't earn shit from it), if you're interested can PM me. I shall rekomen you to several used car dealer and negotiate for best deal(within KL/Selangor region only).

Don't forget, trade in a car and try to get a new car from those dealers, they also sublet to used car dealer and earn you 1 hand. Hence, those so called 超 high trade in value new car dealer is usually buying back your used car at much less compare to normal used car dealer. U sendiri fikir baik²

QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Oct 11 2013, 07:28 PM)
wanna ask wanna ask. what is the component that holds our brake caliper to prevent it from shaking? I jacked up my car to look due to when uneven road got noise. Then notice that I can somehow shake my brake caliper and produce the noise. @@
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Brake pad kasi tukak. On the other hand, check whether the washer plate is still there, if you have recently replaced new pad, could be magician omitted the washer plate.

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