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pcboss00
post Oct 28 2013, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Oct 28 2013, 10:38 AM)
aster 15 and aster 30 is also a fire and forget missile with better range than mica. Not to mistaken, same cost as mica system but better capabilities.

though now it mica, should they opt for a better ciws since it freaking rm1.5billion and all we got ciws is a toy gun technically speaking

even indon and thai have but not us?
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No la. Aster 15/30 must use guidance system, by air (defense) radar. Not same like ESSM must use illumination radar.

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post Oct 28 2013, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 28 2013, 01:59 AM)
All these ToT and Ip rights procurement... what good did they do anyway?
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post Oct 28 2013, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Oct 28 2013, 11:10 AM)
No la. Aster 15/30 must use guidance system, by air (defense) radar. Not same like ESSM must use illumination radar.

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good one! CIWS is probably the best last line of defence....
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post Oct 28 2013, 11:28 AM

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MICA was bought bcoz it was cheaper? nak murah sgt, beli RPG-7 je la, proven have shot down 2 UH60 wat
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post Oct 28 2013, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 28 2013, 11:28 AM)
MICA was bought bcoz it was cheaper? nak murah sgt, beli RPG-7 je la, proven have shot down 2 UH60 wat
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better get AK47.. shoot down Apache sumore. plus cheaper than rpg7

maybe, malaysia can line up 10 ak47 together and become a CIWS thumbup.gif
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post Oct 28 2013, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 28 2013, 01:59 AM)
All these ToT and Ip rights procurement... what good did they do anyway?
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Has any indigenous defence item been developed or further developed by all the Malaysian companies with all the TOT or IP rights procurement ?
How much US$ value is set aside for defence RD ?
What are the qualifications of those people who are supposed to be involved in RD ?
What percentage of them are in fact Malaysians ?
What is the total value of TOT Received and Ringgit spent for IP since policy inception and what are the results in Ringgit Terms or even equipment ?
What defence equipment have we exported apart from Handalan and field kitchens to Brunei and a couple of UAV to Thailand ?

The only thing the Malaysian companies are interested in is the current contact and once it is fulfilled they will dump the old TOT/ IP without spending one cent for further development and cry for new TOT/IP .

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post Oct 28 2013, 11:39 AM

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dun mention la about ToT...bukan ke Kedah-class NGPV also high cost due to 'ToT'..now what happen to the 'ToT'? did we utilize the dseign of the Kedah-class to design newer and better NGPV? Or we spend more money on Gowind-class for 'ToT?
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post Oct 28 2013, 11:41 AM

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so, what is the reaction of panggilanpertiwi and other military enthusiasts? takkan berdiam diri je kot.
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post Oct 28 2013, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Oct 28 2013, 11:32 AM)
better get AK47.. shoot down Apache sumore. plus cheaper than rpg7

maybe, malaysia can line up 10 ak47 together and become a CIWS thumbup.gif
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All we need is the Super Stealth Super Limited Edition Buluh Runcing Santau !!!!
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post Oct 28 2013, 11:44 AM

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lel the cycle of ToT..

Get ToT
need years to develop local manufacture
By then tech ady obsolete
Repeat
pcboss00
post Oct 28 2013, 11:44 AM

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after this, we need full fledged frigates. same thing will happened...
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QUOTE(Phillip_x @ Oct 28 2013, 11:43 AM)
All we need is the Super Stealth Super Limited Edition  Buluh Runcing Santau !!!!
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err, that one, Indons already patented it.. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

maybe could develop rapid-firing sumpits as ciws..
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post Oct 28 2013, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(asyraff88kmp @ Oct 28 2013, 11:41 AM)
so, what is the reaction of panggilanpertiwi and other military enthusiasts? takkan berdiam diri je kot.
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it's not official yet. but when it became official, maybe it already too late... hahaha
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post Oct 28 2013, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 28 2013, 11:44 AM)
err, that one, Indons already patented it.. tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

maybe could develop rapid-firing sumpits as ciws..
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Not really the Indonesians are allowing us the TOT and IP for the Super Stealth Super Limited Edition Buluh Runcing Santau Export Edition ( they are withholding the "software algorithms "). So for now it can only backfire !!!!!!! The Indonesians think that its a very good deal and offers excellent value for our money !!!!

rapid-firing sumpits as ciws.....better still Super Stealth Sumpit Santau but it is still facing telemetry and trajectory problems !!

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post Oct 28 2013, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(Phillip_x @ Oct 28 2013, 11:36 AM)
Has any indigenous defence item been developed or further developed by all the Malaysian companies with all the  TOT or IP rights procurement ?
How much US$ value is set aside for defence RD ?
What are the qualifications of those people who are supposed to be involved in RD ?
What percentage of them are in fact Malaysians ?
What is the total value of TOT Received and Ringgit spent for IP since policy inception and what are the results in Ringgit Terms or even equipment ?
What defence equipment have we exported apart from Handalan and field kitchens to Brunei and a couple of UAV to Thailand ?

The only thing the Malaysian companies are interested in is the current contact and once it is fulfilled they will dump the old TOT/ IP without spending one cent for further development and cry for new TOT/IP .
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abit old news ... no harm to read it.

DCNS launches program corvettes Malaysian
18/04/2013

As part of the order by Malaysia six corvettes type Gowind Combat DCNS Lorient hosts the last few days, thirty Malaysian engineers. Like the program submarines sold in Brazil, where DCNS in France ensured the training of 200 engineers and technicians Brazilian (including a design school submarines Lorient), the reception of Malaysians between through the transfer of technology related to Malaysia Gowind program. Future buildings will, in fact, made locally as the prime contractor for the project Boustead Naval Shipyard (BNS). For future buildings, Malaysia has used as the basis design Gowind Combat, developed by DCNS to offer export a corvette made to military standards (unlike the type Gowind offshore patrol vessels OPV built to civilian standards) and heavily armed . This design will be adapted to the needs of Malaysia. Hence the presence in France of engineers in this country, who will participate soon, with teams DCNS design work corvettes. "The arrival of Malaysian engineers Lorient marks the start of a milestone. After two months of training, the Malaysian engineers integrate engineering DCNS teams to participate in Lorient, in tandem with the French engineers, design work on their ships, "says Benedict Chapalain Gowind Malaysia program director at DCNS.


Bring the French expertise in the design and construction


Under the contract signed in 2012, the French group with NBS provides assistance in the design and construction of the ship, as well as assistance in project management. DCNS said that the training is provided by Malaysian engineers and technicians group, trainers DCNS Universeaty its new transmission structure and internal skills to its customers. "The group brings to Malaysia as a recognized technical expertise in the field of engineering than shipbuilding. In addition, training is adapted to the cultural specificities of the country. "
Meanwhile, a dozen executives of DCNS are now stationed in Malaysia. They provide assistance mission management program with NBS. With the rise of the program, a group of sixty employees will be present in Malaysia, located between Kuala Lumpur Lumut, about 200 kilometers north of the capital, where the site is located in which will be built six corvettes Gowind by the end of the decade.

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http://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/dcns...es-malaisiennes
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post Oct 28 2013, 12:58 PM

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Yes all well and good but when the project is over there will be a delay in the implementation of the next project all this trained personnel will be laid off ...they will move to greener pastures. The next project will be with a different partner... the Gowind TOT /IP will just be another wasted attempt.History unfortunately always repeats itself...Malaysian defence industry is reactionary....they just wait for new projects...they will never spend anything on RD as they regard it as a waste of good money.Very simple, this has always happened, would the Gowind be any different ? Many be you know how many naval engineers / architects / artisans from the NGPV project days are participating in the SGPV project? I doubt many, if any. And how many Foreigners was involved in the NGPV project who will be involved in the SGPV project. Retention of critical skill of ALL them is paramount as they have critical experience and they have worked together as a team.

Further by now they should have another team using the technology transfer researching into the new platform and verify its parameters so that they can start development straight away at the end of the SGPV contract and not wait with their mouths wide open and their eyes tightly shut when the SGPV project ends! The rapid prototyping machines part of the Hornets transfer of technology would make this very easy as a couple of years drawing and verification (some) can be done in a matter of weeks (if they are still working that is)...... Has this been done ?

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 28 2013, 10:58 AM)
So small with only 10-20km range... haizz  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

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Not much better than using manpads like kasturi class...
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post Oct 28 2013, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Oct 28 2013, 11:10 AM)
No la. Aster 15/30 must use guidance system, by air (defense) radar. Not same like ESSM must use illumination radar.

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post Oct 28 2013, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Oct 28 2013, 01:06 PM)
zzzz they never market it as CIWS.
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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Oct 28 2013, 01:12 PM)
zzzz they never market it as CIWS.
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