They are better utilized at platoon level. DMs are not always needed and being a platoon level weapon allows them to be detached and send to where they are needed

In the movies,the section usually works independently from other units .that's not how it really works in the real world

Brazilian Army to upgrade ASTROS II Mk 3
By Victor Barreira | 1 December 2013 Saturday


The Brazilian Army is set to award Avibras Indústria Aeroespacial a contract to upgrade the service's Artillery SaTuration ROcket System (ASTROS) II Mk3 multiple launch rocket systems (MLRSs).

The deal with the system's original equipment manufacturer is being finalised and a contract will soon be announced, a Brazilian Army spokesperson told IHS Jane's . The ASTROS II Mk 3s are operated by the 6th Multiple Rocket Launcher Group (Grupo de Lançadores Múltiplos de Foguetes or 6º GLMF) based in Formosa, State of Goiás - the unit is set to be renamed as the 6th Missiles and Rockets Group.

The upgrade programme is being established as part of the service's ASTROS 2020 MLRS strategic project, which also includes the incorporation between 2014-18 of three batteries of the ASTROS Mk 6 system to arm a new Missiles and Rockets Group that is to be based in Formosa.

The modernised system will be designated ASTROS II Mk 3M and will incorporate several of the ASTROS Mk 6 system's features, including a new improved armoured cabin, digital communication and navigation systems, a new tracking radar that replaces the Contraves Fieldguard system, plus the ability to fire the AV-TM 300 tactical cruise missile and AV-SS-40G guided rocket systems being developed by Avibras, and the in-service AV-SS-30, AV-SS-40 and AV-SS-60 unguided rockets. The original 6x6 Mercedes Benz 2028A chassis utilised by the ASTROS II Mk 3 will be maintained.

Along with improving the weapon system, the modernisation is intended to maximise operational and logistics commonality with the ASTROS Mk 6, however, the latter is based on Tatra Trucks' T815-790R39 6x6 and T815-7A0R59 4x4 high-mobility heavy duty vehicles.

Each battery is composed of universal multiple launcher (AV-LMU), re-supply (AV-RMD), fire control (AV-UCF) and workshop vehicles (AV-OFVE). The weather station vehicle (AV-MET) is based on a 4x4 unarmored light utility truck, while the battery-level command and control system (AV-PCC) is based on an armoured 4x4 vehicle.

One battalion-level command and control vehicle (AV-VCC) was acquired to coordinate the full MLRS group. The AV-PCC and AV-VCC vehicles are based on Tatra Truck's T815-7A0R59 chassis and were procured in late 2010 to enhance ASTROS II Mk 3 capability. With the exception of the AV-METs, all 6x6 and 4x4 vehicles are equipped with a 12.7 mm machine gun and smoke dischargers.


http://www.janes.com/article/31006/brazili...-astros-ii-mk-3

well, it does raises up some issues, like why convert a battle taxi which can carry 12 men into an IFV which can carry only 8 men..convert a few ok la, but not all..

This post has been edited by zimhibikie: Dec 6 2013, 05:50 AM

Sure ke? rasanya Bradley dari awal lagi design as IFV.
Tak pernah la pulak dengar Bradley jenis APC. Zaman-zaman tu US guna M113 sebagai APC.

Lain function IFV dgn APC tu.....IFV tu offensive weapon, APC tu defensive weapon.

Ah,takde la actual section ATM variable sampai camni weapon system dia....
Nampak sangat cuma tunjuk time parade. Actual section lebih logic ada 8 orang,iaitu 7 rifleman (termasuk seorang commander & seorang M203 grenadier) & 1 LMG gunner guna Minimi.

Acheiving balance btw the no of infantry carry with good weapons systems not that easy.
Carrying 12 men with light fire support vs carrying 8 men with heavy fire support. Pilih satu.

http://dmilt.com/index.php?option=com_cont...:asia&Itemid=56

can anybody cnfirm on this ????

I mean when transporting soldiers into the battlefield, let say will sent 10 AV*, isnt it better having it consisting of 4-5 AV8 with good weapon systems on it while the rest merely battle taxis?

Rws varaint is the battle taxis.
Well I doubt even an av8 without weapons system able to carry 12 fully armed infantry.
quite lots of things that infantry have to carry.

No official confirmation by both government.
mayb maf try low profile deals.

if its is confirmed great news indeed....
imagine club k disguise in misc cargo fuhhhhhh

I wonder its against submarine?? A missile against sub??

yep a missile against sub is that possible?

Some reading: Anti-submarine missile

Also: RUM-139 VL-ASROC

This post has been edited by FlameReaper: Dec 6 2013, 01:21 PM

This one?
[3M-54 Klub]

91RTE2


A surface ship with the VLS launched anti-submarine variant; it consists of three stages,
one booster with thrust vector nozzle, one conventional booster, and one anti-submarine light torpedo.

This post has been edited by KYPMbangi: Dec 6 2013, 02:30 PM

If ASROC I knew but this one new for me

Ah so that's what you guys actually mean when you said "A missile against sub??".

By the way, the illustration of the system makes me think that it's only the standalone launcher that's going to be sold to us (if it's verified), but I'm wondering if there's actually a plan to arm some of our boats with these?

Put these on bunga mas, totally legit

On paper yeah that would be great but in operational conditions not all vehicles will be available and then you'll have two size of infantry who work doctrinely different. It would be simpler to have one size of section

The reason why APCs are getting more heavily armed is because the enemy is getting more armoured, a M2 browning just doesn't it

APCs work in light infantry units and function different from mechanized infantry sections