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Phillip_x
post Nov 15 2013, 08:12 PM

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Well instead of modifying my earlier post i stand corrected as Maritim did receive boats from the Marine Police, according to the article (i stumbled upon it while i checking on the transfers) below.

Anyway just came across this article which makes good read on Maritim :-

FORCE STRUCTURE PLANNING FOR THE MALAYSIAN MARITIME ENFORCEMENT AGENCY∗
http://www.searesources.biz/Force%20Struct...alculations.pdf

The majority of the boats received are totally obsolete.
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They just received 6 new boats in 2012 http://www.marsecreview.com/2012/10/mariti...ts-6-new-boats/

Ideally we should get the Gagah Samuderas to fill the void and as they can be built in a relatively short period of time.

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post Nov 15 2013, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Nov 15 2013, 07:52 PM)
not just man power but assest as well
for example Police Marine used to have 20 or more boats to patrol Sabah waters
but when 15 of the boats handed to the APMM, APMM will use the 15 not just for Sabah but the whole of Malaysia
hence the loop hole
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yup..n during my internship, many boats n small patrol vessel r unavailable for operation..from 4 vessel, only 1 is operational coz of engine breakdown n etc2...APMM really need new assets instead of relying on TLDM giving old vessels nod.gif
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QUOTE(ahchat @ Nov 15 2013, 08:15 PM)
yup..n during my internship, many boats n small patrol vessel r unavailable for operation..from 4 vessel, only 1 is operational coz of engine breakdown n etc2...APMM really need new assets instead of relying on TLDM giving old vessels  nod.gif
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and thanks to their shitty negligence they lost more boats and to the shitty management they decide not to us Police Marin Sri Gaya and Labuan that they took from the Police Marine!
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Nov 15 2013, 08:45 PM)
and thanks to their shitty negligence they lost more boats and to the shitty management they decide not to us Police Marin Sri Gaya and Labuan that they took from the Police Marine!
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n to add, d contractor for those vessels repairs n maintenance always late in doin their jobs...delays is very common sad.gif
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post Nov 15 2013, 08:59 PM

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my father working boat also taken by apmm....now PM penang don have any big boat anymore....all small2 boat...
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QUOTE(ahchat @ Nov 15 2013, 08:47 PM)
n to add, d contractor for those vessels repairs n maintenance always late in doin their jobs...delays is very common  sad.gif
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KD Labuan and Sri Gaya ware in excellent condition when they handed it over to APMM!


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post Nov 15 2013, 09:29 PM

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true..true...sad to see so many ignorance in most malaysians regarding national security..most only care about taxes, Br1M and other petty stuff..the big ones like defence are left out.. sad.gif
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post Nov 15 2013, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Nov 15 2013, 09:29 PM)
true..true...sad to see so many ignorance in most malaysians regarding national security..most only care about taxes, Br1M and other petty stuff..the big ones like defence are left out..  sad.gif
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And more importantly all the brickbats to our serving women and men in uniform is totally uncalled for ....they are just doing their best with the tools which were given to them ....and orders being orders they just carry out their jobs the best they can irrespective of the tools employed ! Have a heart....do they have a choice?



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post Nov 16 2013, 02:25 AM

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MMEA flaw.

1. It was under pm department. Lack of decisive leadership, attention of its need were be given to the department.
2. Lack of funding for goodness sake rm367mil were given inbudget 2014. How to jaga the whole coastline.
3. Maintainance problem and great grandfather fleet.
4. Lack of coastal radar and other early warning system in borneo. Other branches were not sharing the information with mmea result they are operating blind there.
5. Lack of experience.
6. Lack of human resources.

Let discuss.

imo,
1. Mmea should be under navy.
- navy can help to solves management problem.
- better early warning system for mmea in borneo and navy in peninsular as both now sharing each other systems.
- navy could help to solves the maintainence problem
- better and more efficient patrol management as it being manage by a single department.
- navy experience and training will help mmea.

2. Seperate budget btw navy and mmea is a must.
- rm1bil should be given to head start the mmea.
- more budget means they are able to maintain their fleet and get more recruit.
- hopefully iether would not eat up each budget.
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atleast give 50 CB90 or so with couples of Gagah Samudera-class to APMM would be nice.. sad.gif
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Nov 16 2013, 11:59 AM)
atleast give 50 CB90 or so with couples of Gagah Samudera-class to APMM would be nice..  sad.gif
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60 cb90
24 cb2010
12 samudera class.
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post Nov 16 2013, 01:01 PM

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[quote=yinchet,Nov 16 2013, 02:25 AM]


imo,
1. Mmea should be under navy.
- navy can help to solves management problem.
- better early warning system for mmea in borneo and navy in peninsular as both now sharing each other systems.

Under an agreement with the US ,the US provided us with 9 radars under Initiative 1206
-these are already functioning under the military and discussions under way for more such radars i think under a new US initiative .http://archive.is/Eh4i or http://www.malaysiandefence.com/?p=554

As for MMEA surveillance system 3 out of 10 or 17 installed
http://www.theborneopost.com/2012/03/15/mm...em-within-11mp/

- navy could help to solves the maintainence problem
- better and more efficient patrol management as it being manage by a single department.
- navy experience and training will help mmea.

As too your three points above i think
1) throw out all the MMEA ships except the 6 they received last year
2) recapitalize with Gagah Samudera / CB2010 / even a couple of Meko100
3) For swift implementation get the Koreans to build them as they can deliver them
really fast and avoid local production at this instance
-this would result in joint training being possible
-cost cutting as training and cost of servicing and maintenance of ships lessened
- joint operability of Navy and MMEA - in cases of emergency they can act as one
trained and coordinated unit their vessels would complement one another
3) this also involves the streamlining of MMEA air fleet to those similar in the RMN /
RMAF...i would keep the bombardiers as they are handy aircraft

2. Seperate budget btw navy and mmea is a must.
- rm1bil should be given to head start the mmea.

Agreed separate budget as well as Rm1.5 billion...as with RM1.5 billion u get 6 Gagah Samuderas, 30 CB90's, all the radars necessary for Sabah and maybe a couple of choppers

Gagah Samudera cost at around RM300 million for two
CB90 costs between US $ 2.5 - 3 million per boat
Radars RM 20 million per unit http://www.theborneopost.com/2012/03/15/mm...em-within-11mp/

And most importantly Joint Operability at more than a basic level and harmonization of resources and assets, avoiding duplication and wastages and sharing of info.

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post Nov 16 2013, 02:36 PM

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[quote=atreyuangel,Nov 15 2013, 08:01 PM]
stop?
gila ka, TD nak bukak lagi satu division ni
1 Div Marin pulak, tak ke kurang2 20k askar nak tambah

pada prompt solution, panggil balik Navy ngan Air Force yg bawah skim kontrak tu ubah depa jadi tetap!



The empowerment of ESSCOM will also include.....".. the restructuring of the Army’s Brigade as a Division ". This will also...." include the PGA in which part of the Army and PGA’s strength ".... will be relocated from Peninsular Malaysia to ESSZONE in Sabah.

The Army Intelligence as well as the Police’s Special Branch viewed that threats in the Pninsular is low hence the ...." relocation of the force to ESSZONE ..."will provide savings to the Goverrnment at medium and long term period.

November 15, 2013
ESSCOM: Special Committee For Land Acquisition http://malaysiaflyingherald.wordpress.com/

I dont think any new forces being raised for Sabah...appears that relocation of Military and PGA units from the Peninsular will be "joined" to make up the new "division".

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post Nov 16 2013, 06:40 PM

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Army units stationed in peninsular will be relocated to ESSZONE and form a new division

new battalions will be raised in the now understrength 1-4 divisions

this isnt WW2,divisions are never raised from the ground up
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post Nov 16 2013, 06:49 PM

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Maybe it's also time to consider rejimen sempadan for sabah and sarawak land border hmm.gif
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evening article

China and Malaysia To Hold Maritime Exercises: What Gives?


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In a somewhat novel maritime development in the South China Sea, China and Malaysia have agreed to hold joint military exercises next year, following up on a Memorandum of Understanding the two signed in 2005. The exercises were confirmed by Malaysian defense minister Hishammuddin Hussein towards the end of October. The two states formally held their first defense and security consultation in Kuala Lumpur in late 2012.

Despite the vagueness of the statement, Hishammuddin confirmed that the exercises would contain a strong maritime element. Beyond the fact that the drills are planned for next year, there are no details about their scope, location, or which military branches will participate. According to Defense News, Hishamuddin invited his Chinese counterpart, General Chang Wanquan, "to visit the Malaysian naval base of Mawilla 2 in the South China Sea on the island of Borneo.”

The announcement came just two weeks after reports that Malaysia would establish a marine corps and a naval base close to the James Shoal, which in waters in the South China Sea (SCS) claimed by both China and Malaysia. According to IHS Jane’s Defence Weekly, the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) is expected to set up a base at Bintulu in the South China Sea "to protect the surrounding area and oil reserves.”

The James Shoal – 60 nautical miles from this location – was the site of a PLAN exercise in March 2013. Janes cites that exercise as an example of "China asserting its claims to most of the SCS.” It continues that the marine corps announcement "follows a number of unpublicised incursions by Chinese naval and maritime surveillance forces into Malaysian waters off East Malaysia and the Malaysian portion of the Spratly Islands.”

In a piece written in March 2013, appearing in the Australian Strategic Policy Institute’s blog The Strategist, Shahriman Lockman underscored the muted Malaysia reaction to China’s exercise at the James Shoal. Lockman said, "the exercise was also notable for the distinct lack of a visible public reaction from Malaysia. Neither the Malaysian Prime Minister nor the Foreign Ministry has made even the most perfunctory statement on the matter. Never mind that a Malaysian naval offshore patrol vessel, the KD Perak, monitored the exercise and issued orders for the PLA Navy to leave the area. And never mind that a standard protest may have been quietly expressed through diplomatic channels.”

In Lockman’s analysis, Malaysia is somewhat of an exceptional case in ASEAN vis-à-vis China on security matters owing to its historical significance, among other factors. On defense issues, the two have pledged to establish high-level cooperation since 2000, when they signed a long-term cooperative framework agreement. Southeast Asia expert and fellow Flashpoints columnist, Carl Thayer writes that the agreement "included a defense clause calling for an exchange program of high-level visits, study tours, seminars, ship visits, and cooperation in training, research and development, and intelligence sharing. In addition, the agreement also called for cooperation between national defense industries to include reciprocal visits, exhibitions, seminars and workshops to explore the possibility of joint or co-production projects.” Thayer notes that China and Malaysia conduct bilateral relations on the level of “strategic partners."

Xi Jinping has also talked of establishing a “maritime silk road” with ASEAN states – a proposal that was met with considerable skepticism across Southeast Asia given the scope of territorial disputes with China in the SCS. Xi’s proposal is expected to direct Chinese attention and investment towards establishing "a web of trade links and better connectivity between ports and maritime co-operation.” The move to conduct maritime exercises with Malaysia may be an attempt to foment the latter – Xi and Li, during their recent visits to Southeast Asia, did emphasize the concept quite a bit.

The decision to conduct these exercises also flies in the face of ASEAN’s strategy against China. The ten-member body has been trying to present a united front against China, which is perceived as a regional “bully” by some. The Diplomat was unable to determine if the decision to follow-up on the 2005 MOU on Defense Cooperation was initiated by the Chinese side or the Malaysia side. The reaction from other ASEAN states to the decision is sure to be negative, especially considering the very recent flare-ups of maritime disputes between China, Vietnam, and the Philippines. At this point, it's anyone's guess if Malaysia and China are maritime partners or competitors in the South China Sea.


http://thediplomat.com/flashpoints-blog/20...ses-what-gives/

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post Nov 16 2013, 07:12 PM

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"The decision to conduct these exercises also flies in the face of ASEAN’s strategy against China. The ten-member body has been trying to present a united front against China"

yeah right,ASEAN is a worthless organization and everyone seems contempt seeing the philippines get mauled by china


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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Nov 16 2013, 07:12 PM)
"The decision to conduct these exercises also flies in the face of ASEAN’s strategy against China. The ten-member body has been trying to present a united front against China"

yeah right,ASEAN is a worthless organization and everyone seems contempt seeing the philippines get mauled by china
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if only the ASEAN is united like NATO or atleast like Warsaw Pact..ASEAN can come out as a fierce and feared military alliance in this region..really sad that Asean leaders didn't think about the advantage of such alliance..all want to fend for themselves.. sad.gif
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post Nov 17 2013, 12:47 AM

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semember seato? complete failure, that one

to understand asean you need to learn the objective of asean itself. asean country does not intervene in its members' problem.

asean is not a military pact. hell the only "military" thing that asean members did togethers is shooting competition

you say worthless because you think asean is like nato or EU. no they not. asean encourage economical, intellectual and cultural trade. in that respect asean has achieve more than they credits for

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