that's the FACT, no?

god car, no service no repairs forever?

lot people bashing because vios is seriously over price for 10 years old technology. no one will actually bash the car if the car price remain about same or increase by small margin. u see city is obviously more expensive than vios but it receive less bashing cos at least honda did change the drive train. vios engine to some of u is perfect, but does not mean u can increase the price of facelifted car without doing any thing to it. and there is nth perfect bout the engine. sadly in malaysia all car are expensive. but vios is overprice. u see almera, almost identical car wif vios yet it highest spec is way cheaper than vios highest spec. and seriosuly 10 years u selling the same engine, takkan jus tukar the face u need to increase the price so much and plus some accessories.

to me, wat u do as daily living is more important than mect u car u owning. if u are professional (esp doctor or lawyer) or someone who earn lot lot lot lot money driving p1 and p2, and compare wif those driving t badge car but yet jus earning power nt so high or just moderate, u think ur uncle aunty praise the one earn more money or those driving t badge.

to those say said those mechanic who don know bout car, seriously u need go to see doctor. u are just pure fanboi. those mechanic knw more than u dude, they diagnosed the car problem, they hear complaints from other customer, u think they don know wat problem vios will have? if like this u need go see doctor cos u know ur body more than a doctor. the time u experiencing ur body is definitely more than u driving ur god car vios.

and i have to agree that in malaysia, the buyer is more concern bout brand, reliability, fc and vios is good in all these aspects but does not mean u can potong leher ur customer. safety is important not because u can drive like mad driver but is jus as precaution and is always better to prevent than to cure right. we must at least tell our uncle and aunty how expensive is toyota and cutting their customer throat. toyota car is undeniably reliable, but does it mean they can cut their customer throat? to those bashing p1, ur past bad experience does not mean that p1 is same as last time. their improvement is slow but does not mean they are to be badly bashed by u all using old fact. remember, it took toyota and honda long time before they can develop to the level they are now with the help of japanese ppl.

Honda offers original parts at retail price while workshop outside offers him OEM/imitation parts (no warranty), see the different?

Franchise repairer need to bear the warranty, product and labour liability etc.

why u care about it? did u care about all cars being bash to death this while?
how about proton? did u care? or proton should be bash because of thier past?

dont worry man, toyota make shit car malaysian ppl laso buy. overkilling price ppl also die buy it. no safety features at all ppl also suppork it..dont worry man. it's toyota.

Finally, someone stand up and talk like human words with point, those ppl bash vios because of tarik ah beng ah seng ah lian , really pointless


I agree with ur words that they are stil using the old 10 year engine but keep on increasing their price, but don forgot, ur 2nd hand value wont drop too much too, u win some , u lost some, about the engine, how good consider good? Honda ivtec fc stil cant match up with vios, but I believe ivtec is fun to drive, ivtec in high rpm will be fun while VIOS is very good in pick up (low rpm) especially for uphill, what I say is u win some , u lost some, nothing is perfect

I bought my 09 city at 85k if not mistake? After 3 month + , city have increase to 89k without any facelift and didnt ever change anything, then who to blame?
Even U blame they also wont drop their price to normal what? U can say it is not worth but it stil a good buy within this range, right?

Vw new 7speed dsg full of problem, how much is their car? Rm120k++ at least, new tech good? If reliable then good, if new tech cant match the word reliable, sorry I rather stay with old tech

what is there to repair when god car won't break down since it is so reliable with proven technology?

even wonder why god car is so good in FC?

it is 200kg lighter than the original yaris sedan found elsewhere

Bro, did u know my brother in law do supply spare part to honda that so call "Original"?


My wife's father is under honda contract for windscreen damage cover, only god and themself know they install the "Original" or OEM part =)

U stil can get Real cheap original part at outside rather than SC, because SC only follow the retails price and give u a little discounr, just like u buy engine oil at petronas (retails price) vs any spare part shop (discounted price) ,does that mean spare part shop selling OEM engine oil?

That why I say, its brainlesa to send ur car to sc repair after warranty, find a experience workshop that can fix ur car with half of the price that SC offer, SC only will sell u in Retail Price with higher labour charge

About warranty, let me know after u change the bearing in SC, how long does they give u the warranty? Let say 3 month, its stil cheap to change at 3rd party workshop with half of the price

This post has been edited by chongkiatz: Sep 20 2013, 03:13 PM

You are right, Toyota will not lower the price because Malaysians are keep on buying them.

Look in the scenario when Malaysians are slowly not buying them? If you were UMW Toyota, will you make the Vios much more competitive?

I believe it wont happen now, money is hard earn nowaday, unless other competitor can offer better than vios, what we talking about is Current right? List down any car u think can easily bring vios down?

I don't know your brother in law but if the supplier order from Honda Malaysia, the maximum part discount a spare part dealer can obtain is 36%.
A body & paint dealer can obtain up to 38%, so please tell me where your brother-in-law order the spare part from?

Directly order from Honda Malaysia or through other source?
If directly through Honda Malaysia, no way shops outside can sell them 50% below retail price.

If you talking about 20% discount, perhaps you can get that outside but look at your example just now?
SC quote RM800 while it can be done RM400 outside?




Honda Civic 1.8, Year 2006
Wheel Bearing Front 44300SNA952 RM458.11
[Includes Rr. bearing] Wheel Hub Rear 42200SNAA52 RM673.80

Honda Civic 2.0, Year 2006
Wheel Bearing Front 44300SDAA51 RM287.8
[Includes Rr. bearing] Wheel Hub Rear 42200SNAA52 RM673.80

This post has been edited by allenultra: Sep 20 2013, 03:24 PM

Indeed...bravo on the finding...

personally..i feel vios like a wild horse, once u step hard on the paddle it rush like beastly horse. You cant feel any luxury on this...

For the G specs equivalent, Fiesta does exceed Vios in almost specs if you ask me. Considering Fiesta may not enjoy more excise duty exemption as much as Vios but still selling at the similar price, so Fiesta is not in the list? Isn't Almera an attractive package too?

I doubt in the market, there is a car can bring another car down easily. Manufacturer will not give you everything yet selling cheaply.
The argument by most members here is at the price Malaysians paying for Vios, we deserve better specs for the price paid.

This post has been edited by allenultra: Sep 20 2013, 03:16 PM

Bashing aside I find the thread title is misleading and not clear at all. Majority call the car Vios but which model P42 or P93 because they are different even with the same engine (p93 intake manifold and exhaust) is slightly upgraded from p42). The P42 has better quality than 93 because if you strip the whole car to bare metal you will see the difference. The 1nz is a good engine but not perfect that's why there's a slight improvement Done to it when they put it in the 93. Actually Toyota can put in a newer gearbox but that will bump the price further up and kill its competitiveness that's why Toyota still using the 4AT so Toyota is in a go left or go right situation. The Vios should be view as a entry level car just like other entry level car. The QC bound to have hit or miss since its a mass produced engine and same goes to assembly. That's why I have to do 2 x PDI before car deliver to customer but some problems will still happen.

Comparing the P42 and P93. 42 is more worth getting than 93. If I wanted to get a Vios I would look for a 42 instead then find a set of intake from the 93 and stuff it in.

Sky want to debate then debate properly so your car next time got problem dont send to any technician, fix yourself since all of the technician knows nothing. Driving feel you say? I test drove Vios, Camry, Altis, fortuner, Estima, wish, avanza, innova, hilu. on a daily basis. To know how a car behave does not need 12 years to get familiar with it.

true true....
same money go Thailand get big sedan...
while their paid is just a bit lower compare to ours...
and dont hav local car produced,,,,,

Each honda service center do have contract with any nearest spare part shop, I wont say too much on it, let u experience urself, because SC will always overcharge with high labour.

Me myself is a motor spare part seller, I know how original part work, but we wont tell it how many percent we can get, but im sure its cheaper than SC alot, because they are following the retails.

Alot of customer will order original part from us, and let outside workshop to do it, there is so many workshop is EX-SC worker with full of experience, no point paying so much on the SC labour charge

Apparently you do not seem to know how a franchise service centre should run. A franchise service centre (in their agreement) but order all the spare parts from the principal (not from 3rd party source, parallel importer or what so ever). Once a dealer being caught selling parts that not ordered from principal, they may have their dealership being taken back.

I involve with Proton, Perodua, Suzuki (3S and 4S) service centre business, and my friends are involved with Honda 4S. I heard absolutely nothing relate to your statement.

Back to your previous argument that Honda SC charge RM800 for wheel bearing while you guys are selling RM400?
So which model is that? Civic FD1 or FD2?
If you dun have the retail price, I can provide you these information.
Please provide the forumers here with the correct information, do not mislead the people. Push the responsibility to service centre?

Honda Civic 1.8, Year 2006
Wheel Bearing Front 44300SNA952 RM458.11
[Includes Rr. bearing] Wheel Hub Rear 42200SNAA52 RM673.80

Honda Civic 2.0, Year 2006
Wheel Bearing Front 44300SDAA51 RM287.8
[Includes Rr. bearing] Wheel Hub Rear 42200SNAA52 RM673.80

And as you are authorised Honda spare part reseller, familiar of this logon page?

This post has been edited by allenultra: Sep 20 2013, 03:34 PM


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That is the bearing wheel price, u havent include the labour charge dude =)

This post has been edited by chongkiatz: Sep 20 2013, 03:34 PM

Get the quotation and show us, not pakcik/makcik/kakak/abang story.
Service centre does not simply charge, we charge based on service manual, there is flat rate labour hour to be compared with.

does it matter?

god car won't spoil, no matter what pricing comes out nobody needs to pay to replace anything.

right?