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post Sep 19 2013, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Sep 19 2013, 09:49 AM)
Agreed. Nothing much wrong with 4 speed.

Except that if u are those "racer" that likes to speed, then it will eat more petrol compared to 5 gear or more gear box.
But then again, how fast can u drive?
For example, my Altis has 7 speed but i doubt its running at 6th gear when im driving at 140kmh
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Unless you downshift the gear, else the gearbox shall always run at the most fuel saving ratio.
Have you really drive your car a lot?
Even at 100km/h, would have been at 7th gear.

Unless you are trolling but I dun really sense it from your reply.


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post Sep 19 2013, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(stupidcar @ Sep 19 2013, 03:30 PM)
The GTR and Vios theory is understandable. I agree with you.
But GTR has diff drivetrains throughout the whole series.
Attessa gets improved majorly.

And you guys can't blame the price, why not blame the gov for the god damn tax. U see people bash, but still Vios still sell like hot cakes. Every single ver. lol.
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Blame the tax again? Vios has no import duty applies, only excise duty which even Proton/Perodua have to pay. Fiesta also CKD, look at their specs?
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post Sep 19 2013, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 19 2013, 09:53 PM)
Fiesta CBU from TomYamland
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So is Vios. Isn't that CKD term in Malaysia applies to all vehicle assembled in ASEAN?
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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 19 2013, 10:07 PM)
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Vios is assembled in Shah Alam, Fiesta in Rayang, Thailand.

CKD = assembled in M'sia
CBU = imported whole requiring AP

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The new vios assembled in Malaysia?
I remember the dugong vios used to assembled by Perodua but they can't do it well. End up UMW import everything from Thailand with extra 2k shipping charge per vehicle.

Does Innova from Indonesia need AP? I dun reckon so. Correct me if I'm wrong.


To my understanding, only vehicle built outside of ASEAN countries require AP to come into Malaysia.
Ford? Their production just can't cope with the demand around.

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 19 2013, 10:21 PM)
New Vios early batches will be CBU from Thai I reckon, after that will be CKD as well. Never knew Vios was ever assembled by Perodua.....I know Avanza was assembled by Perodua la, the facelift I'm not sure. On that note, my source from UMW told me the new Vios already have 5,000 pre-bookings before the launch next month. Power of brand yo!

According the wikipedia
As for the AP, I'm not sure. I know Ford import their Fiestas a few times a year, everytime they run out you'll have to wait for them to restock, SA told me due to AP issue, dunno singalingam me or what. As far as I know the still can meet demand for the Fiesta and Focus, it's only the Ranger they have problem with.
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I'm not sure but I met Ford CEO few months back.
Apparently there is certain allocation by Ford Thailand manufacturing plants to Malaysia every month for all the models.

Even he can't do much to change that. He just doesn't get the stock to sell, and he said he will do something where more Ranger to come in monthly in the near future.

Somehow I dun see it just yet, coz my Ford dealer friend telling me that the waiting list is around 7 months.
Mazda BT50 is shorter, around 3 to 4 months.

For Ford, I think they are not making enough for the region consumption. Again, they might be less optimistic of how their car can sell, thus not investing as much as Honda/Toyota/Nissan do in assembling plants.

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 19 2013, 10:31 PM)
Then you'd know better than me la. According to my SA the Ranger is particularly troublesome because some parts are manufactured in Aussie, which needs to meet the demand of multiple markets and somehow ASEAN markets gets the short end of the stick. The Wildtrak backlog is so far behind it's not even funny  doh.gif

My SA also complain to me everytime when their bread-and-butter model Fiesta sells out and have to wait a month or 2 for fresh stock to arrive, they really eat northwest wind because no car to deliver  laugh.gif

I read they are closing their Mexico plant and moving the production line for US Fiestas to Rayong as well  rclxub.gif
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Now with Ford closing their Australia manufacturing plants.....

Sometime I wonder how VW can have so many ready stocks around?
The turbocharged variant of VW simply cannot sell overseas and they push all of them to Malaysia?
Or their manufacturing capability is just so good....
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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Sep 19 2013, 10:37 PM)
Vw 5 year warranty ma, ppl always think guna dulu, 5 tahun jual pulak
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Its 3 + 2 actually. The later 2 covered by insurance companies, which can be very tricky.
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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 19 2013, 10:42 PM)
Ford OZ closing affects OZ market the most, oh and the Ranger production (I guess the Ranger uses parts from the Falcon? I have no idea though). Ford OZ has always concentrated on the OZ market only with the Falcon model, I guess it is no longer sustainable.

No idea on the VW business model, you're right them seem to be perpetually well-stocked here  sweat.gif
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Met a customer today who looking at MK7 GTI & Benz A250.

MK7 with stock ready while A250? 5 months waiting list, except the black colour (ready stock).
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QUOTE(fumoffu_sanchai @ Sep 20 2013, 12:37 AM)
well most of them drive the vios like aunties. what for safety features. might as well buy a bicycle.
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Its something wrong with the people mentality.

Safety feature isn't just important for "fast drivers". How about if some reckless drivers ram their cars on you?
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QUOTE(katyPerry @ Sep 20 2013, 11:09 AM)
some people bash it because they think it is not worth what it cost, btw , this is bolehland leh , high car tax , what to expect ?? without the high tax, vios should cost around 50~60k , but then proton will eat shit alr
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seriously when Vios cost 60k for each, Preve will be sold at 45k, Honda Civic at 75k? It might only happen when excise duty being demolished. People will still buy Vios but not Civic/Altis?
Petrol for RON95 will be at around RM5/litre

Anyone care to mention the price of Vios after the excise duty being applied to it? Then we shall know how much UMW is earning for each Vios sold. Then we can make a comparison with Honda City (They sold the car with 10k discount, surely Honda DRH Hicom is earning a lot from each vehicle, 20k?)

Remember the final batch of Vios being sold at discounted price? No way UMW gonna sell them below cost, just a smaller margin.

As the car such Ford Focus, the margin is lower per car because Ford want to grab more market share by offering better specs at lower price. You will not see that with Toyota cars but Honda does seem response to it and price the new Accord competitively.

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Sep 20 2013, 01:57 PM)
I don think VIOS wear & tear part is expensive than other competitor , it's the most cheaper among all the other brand , who ask u done in UMW ?? SC never charge u cheaper , u can always do it at outside workshop with reasonable or cheaper price , my brother honda civic bearing wheel breakdown , honda SC offer RM800++ to fix it  mad.gif  mad.gif  , end up my brother done it at 3rd party workshop and pay RM400++ only , those brainless only go SC to change their expensive part

I'm talking about after warranty , if u are within warranty period , it's FOC
It's not about NVH and RV , it's about reliable , cheaper maintenance , and can't admit that currently Almera and Vios offer the best FC compared to Fiesta , City and other b-segment car , suzuki Swift is the worse i would say since i own it too  rclxub.gif
Then , let list down which car is the best buy within 80k range

FC
Maintenance
Resales Value
Space with big boots
Reliable Engine
Did u know Myvi in Malaysia is worse than export Myvi? Do ur homework pls , don only blame on VIOS , i believe last time kenari have even better spec to export and malaysia citizen all use cheapo spec kerani with higher price tag, that why i say u all stil can't accept the true , u need face with it in reality , all other thing have to re-consider, unless u really have the money and skip the B-Segment car , if wan compare , pls compare APPLE to APPLE , Malaysia car price only , don bring tomyamland , singlashland , taiwanland price , it doesnt work !!
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Honda offers original parts at retail price while workshop outside offers him OEM/imitation parts (no warranty), see the different?

Franchise repairer need to bear the warranty, product and labour liability etc.
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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Sep 20 2013, 03:00 PM)
Finally, someone stand up and talk like human words with point, those ppl bash vios because of tarik ah beng ah seng ah lian , really pointless
I agree with ur words that they are stil using the old 10 year engine but keep on increasing their price, but don forgot, ur 2nd hand value wont drop too much too, u win some , u lost some, about the engine, how good consider good? Honda ivtec fc stil cant match up with vios, but I believe ivtec is fun to drive, ivtec in high rpm will be fun while VIOS is very good in pick up (low rpm) especially for uphill, what I say is u win some , u lost some, nothing is perfect

I bought my 09 city at 85k if not mistake? After 3 month + , city have increase to 89k without any facelift and didnt ever change anything, then who to blame?
Even U blame they also wont drop their price to normal what? U can say it is not worth but it stil a good buy within this range, right?

Vw new 7speed dsg full of problem, how much is their car? Rm120k++ at least, new tech good? If reliable then good, if new tech cant match the word reliable, sorry I rather stay with old tech
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You are right, Toyota will not lower the price because Malaysians are keep on buying them.

Look in the scenario when Malaysians are slowly not buying them? If you were UMW Toyota, will you make the Vios much more competitive?
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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Sep 20 2013, 03:07 PM)
Bro, did u know my brother in law do supply spare part to honda that so call "Original"?
My wife's father is under honda contract for windscreen damage cover, only god and themself know they install the "Original" or OEM part =)

U stil can get Real cheap original part at outside rather than SC, because SC only follow the retails price and give u a little discounr, just like u buy engine oil at petronas (retails price) vs any spare part shop (discounted price)  ,does that mean spare part shop selling OEM engine oil?

That why I say, its brainlesa to send ur car to sc repair after warranty, find a experience workshop that can fix ur car with half of the price that SC offer, SC only will sell u in Retail Price
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I don't know your brother in law but if the supplier order from Honda Malaysia, the maximum part discount a spare part dealer can obtain is 36%.
A body & paint dealer can obtain up to 38%, so please tell me where your brother-in-law order the spare part from?

Directly order from Honda Malaysia or through other source?
If directly through Honda Malaysia, no way shops outside can sell them 50% below retail price.

If you talking about 20% discount, perhaps you can get that outside but look at your example just now?
SC quote RM800 while it can be done RM400 outside?




Honda Civic 1.8, Year 2006
Wheel Bearing Front 44300SNA952 RM458.11
[Includes Rr. bearing] Wheel Hub Rear 42200SNAA52 RM673.80

Honda Civic 2.0, Year 2006
Wheel Bearing Front 44300SDAA51 RM287.8
[Includes Rr. bearing] Wheel Hub Rear 42200SNAA52 RM673.80

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Sep 20 2013, 03:10 PM)
I believe it wont happen now, money is hard earn nowaday, unless other competitor can offer better than vios, what we talking about is Current right? List down any car u think can easily bring vios down?
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For the G specs equivalent, Fiesta does exceed Vios in almost specs if you ask me. Considering Fiesta may not enjoy more excise duty exemption as much as Vios but still selling at the similar price, so Fiesta is not in the list? Isn't Almera an attractive package too?

I doubt in the market, there is a car can bring another car down easily. Manufacturer will not give you everything yet selling cheaply.
The argument by most members here is at the price Malaysians paying for Vios, we deserve better specs for the price paid.

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Sep 20 2013, 03:24 PM)
Each honda service center do have contract with any nearest spare part shop, I wont say too much on it, let u experience urself, because SC will always overcharge with high labour.

Me myself is a motor spare part seller, I know how original part work, but we wont tell it how many percent we can get, but im sure its cheaper than SC alot, because they are following the retails.

Alot of customer will order original part from us, and let outside workshop to do it, there is so many workshop is EX-SC worker with full of experience, no point paying so much on the SC labour charge
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Apparently you do not seem to know how a franchise service centre should run. A franchise service centre (in their agreement) but order all the spare parts from the principal (not from 3rd party source, parallel importer or what so ever). Once a dealer being caught selling parts that not ordered from principal, they may have their dealership being taken back.

I involve with Proton, Perodua, Suzuki (3S and 4S) service centre business, and my friends are involved with Honda 4S. I heard absolutely nothing relate to your statement.

Back to your previous argument that Honda SC charge RM800 for wheel bearing while you guys are selling RM400?
So which model is that? Civic FD1 or FD2?
If you dun have the retail price, I can provide you these information.
Please provide the forumers here with the correct information, do not mislead the people. Push the responsibility to service centre?

Honda Civic 1.8, Year 2006
Wheel Bearing Front 44300SNA952 RM458.11
[Includes Rr. bearing] Wheel Hub Rear 42200SNAA52 RM673.80

Honda Civic 2.0, Year 2006
Wheel Bearing Front 44300SDAA51 RM287.8
[Includes Rr. bearing] Wheel Hub Rear 42200SNAA52 RM673.80

And as you are authorised Honda spare part reseller, familiar of this logon page?

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Sep 20 2013, 03:34 PM)
That is the bearing wheel price, u havent include the labour charge dude =)
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Get the quotation and show us, not pakcik/makcik/kakak/abang story.
Service centre does not simply charge, we charge based on service manual, there is flat rate labour hour to be compared with.
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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 20 2013, 04:58 PM)
I have a 6-7 year old P42 at home, have to agree with you. 7 years now and not a single rattle from the cabin, compare to my friend's dugong which started rattling a few weeks in. And it's cable throttle yo!  flex.gif

But being an old car, a lot of expensive wear and tear symptoms are cropping up, engine mounting is due for a replacement, for example.
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Only the engine mounting RH cost around RM350 retail price, the one on the left and rear only cost around RM100 each. Pretty affordable.

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