tat is an example of patina i wish to have, i cant afford Bronzo Pam for sure.

mine is Steinhart Apollon Bronzo

diff qualities of bronze.
diff climates.
maybe if you stayed by a beach it'll corrode faster

Let it experience sea wind for 1 month

A nice write up for PAM 000
http://timetapestry.blogspot.com/2010/03/o...lso-one-of.html
If I would to get a Pam, surely is 000

my bronze is in CuSn8 grade.

humidy in malaysia wont helps?

Sigh, guess somebody never do research, let me break it down for you why i say "TH 1887 pretend to be something its not"

TH CLAIMS in their 2nd December 2009 Press Release that "Calibre 1887 fifth movement designed 100% in-house by TAG Heuer"

So, is my grasp of the English language bad, or you don't understand what I am pointing out here?

Did other watch manufacturer made such false claims?


The PAM318, there's 2 ways to think of it. One is that the buyers got short changed. Or if you look at it from a different perspective, I think it is brilliant, nobody caught on to what Panerai was doing.
Do you know the term "to sell you a Brooklyn bridge"? Did you notice the case back engraving is of the Brooklyn Bridge?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn_Bridge


Thanks, cool read.

any casio edifice shop in klang/PJ area ?

appreciate the links

Hey everyone... I was at The Hour Glass shop overhere in Sydney just now and I saw an Automatic Tag Heuer Aquaracer 300m Calibre 5 Black Surface costing only RM5k after conversion, discount and tax refund (before Tax Refund is about RM5.5k)... Should I get it I wonder? If my memory is right, I think it cost RM6.5k back in Malaysia, am I right guys? ...

The model that I was talking about is this one... http://us.tagheuer.com/en/home#/en-luxury-...-wap2010-ba0830

This post has been edited by Victor3010: Sep 10 2013, 06:49 PM

how bout gettin on9 one..

https://www.facebook.com/kedaiCasio

trustable seller

next time quote your research easier to follow what u trying to say. 100% design inhouse u trying to say not just in house that u trying to point out in your post. Be clear. I am right it's build in house, they didn't design 100% I did state it's seiko. Hard to read mind if u cannot make it clear like the post below.
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/special-report...er-1887-launch/

This post has been edited by patryn33: Sep 10 2013, 08:55 PM

I believe the price lesser than 5.5k in KL

So, for the sake of discussion, when somebody says "in-house movement" by XX. What does it mean to you?

To me, it means
100% designed in house by XX
100% built in house by XX

Then you call it in house. Else, defeats the purpose of calling it in house, no?

if TH 1887 movement is in-house
Rolex 3135 also in-house

If both can be called "in house movements", then that kinda degrades the definition of in-house, cause Rolex 3135 is 100% designed by Rolex, 100% made by Rolex. Whereas TH is just Swiss Made by TH, modified by TH, designed in Japan.

Sorry, you kinda lost me, I've always understood that when you call the movement in-house, it is 100% designed and 100% made in house.

A neat post, fun to read.
http://www.thedivewatchconnection.com/foru...php?f=53&t=7338

Somehow I dig 422 or 423.

Not at all, that's why I pointed out muhle, and UN.
Nomos, dornblueth, louis moinet are another fine examples.
Many co, don't have the ability to do full design in house, they contract out ie FC.
In house just mean build in house not a easy task.
Rolex, jlc are co that design 100% and build in house.
Which is why in the blog ppl stress on 100% design not in house.
That's most ppl common understanding.

Of course some co choose to use the word manufacture in side to stress they make it they did not do base design to avoid such confusion.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Sep 10 2013, 09:52 PM

I do not understand why people like panerai. I also dun understand why jason think is brilliant that nobody caught on to what panerai was doing. Issit because panerai's patented casing got people buying this brand? issit because it is recognise by everyone thats why people are still buying it?.This brand IMHO is even worst then maybe shall i say a franck muller? cause at least their movement is at least to some level and not like panerai.

please enlighten me why you all like panerai i really want to know this question. cause to me after seeing the pam 318, the brand is rubbish and only wanting to cheat my money.

sorry if this post offend any panerai users HAHAHAHA

Not sure if you read what I posted.

To sell you Brooklyn Bridge means to cheat you, swindle you, SCREW YOU OVER. So do you think it is a coincidence that Panerai made the PAM318 with a Brooklyn Bridge casing and put a plain, rubbish, off the shelf movement in it?

Clearly you can see Panerai made the PAM318 to sell you a Brooklyn Bridge, and they did!

As for the brand being rubbish, each to their own. PAM318 was not trying to cheat your money, they already told you they were selling a Brooklyn Bridge to screw people over, people who bought it were just.. stupid? LOL.

So does that mean panerai is selling a shitty watch so they should be shittier the may i say tag heuer?

and about "As for the brand being rubbish, each to their own. PAM318 was not trying to cheat your money, they already told you they were selling a Brooklyn Bridge to screw people over, people who bought it were just.. stupid? LOL."
what happen if you have bought a panerai watch with such stupid finishing inside your watch? and for the company to tell the user you are stupid, does that mean that the company is generally selling to stupid people like you also?

common that is not a good case to put up defending panerai for what they did.

I am not defending Panerai, I don't give a rat's ass honestly. Bash all you like I just find it funny people such as yourself is screaming bloody murder when Panerai explicitly made it clear that "Buy this PAM318 and we're going to screw you over with it"

Stupid is when you buy a Panerai 318 when Panerai explicitly told you they are screwing you over, and you proceed to scream bloody murder after buying it.

I think its bloody clever of Panerai, but that's just me. I bet they are laughing to the bank (and they are). Bash all you like, truth is, the second hand prices of Pre-V Panerai's increase so rapidly that its unbelievable. It easily eclipse Rolex's 2nd hand value in terms of the time it took for the % of increase. After Richemont bought it over, they increased the price again and again yet there's no signs of sales slowing. Now that's something.

The Panerai PAM 510, 8 days reserve, in-house movement, pretty impressive all under USD$8k. I'm sure patryn33 will agree if I said the other resources within Richemont were used to design this movement, considering Panerai don't make movements. Then again, for under USD$8k you can get Rolex too, which is the benchmark.

This post has been edited by Jason: Sep 11 2013, 12:48 AM

thanks!

Btw, quick question. for now am looking for Omega Seamaster 300M. anyone owned them here ? not sure which size should I get. my wrist close to 7 inches I think. If I go with mid size is it too small for me ?

This post has been edited by blissandecstasy: Sep 11 2013, 08:50 AM