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 ASN, ASN2, ASN3, ASG, ASB, ASW2020, ASM, ASD, AS1M, AMANAH SAHAM NASIONAL BERHAD V4

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lucifah
post Jan 6 2014, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(jibonizuka @ Jan 6 2014, 12:37 PM)
congrats..

just wondering how the calculation works..with 60k got 8k divvy?

sifu kind to explain. thanks
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most probably he has another 50k in cert.
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post Jan 7 2014, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Jan 7 2014, 02:14 PM)
Are you eligible for Tabung Haji? 5~6% dividend with ASB benefit (Can be cashed out easily, anytime is 1 unit = RM1).
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although tabung haji can sometimes surprise everyone with 9% return (2013 example), he'd be better off parking all his cash in AS1M. bumi allocations are always available

and the returns are consistent at around 6.7%
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post Jan 7 2014, 02:45 PM

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as usual, bonus declared 1.0%

i am getting getting less than 0.45%

this proves my point again that u should ignore the Bonus payout from any ASB profit calculations.
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post Jan 7 2014, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 7 2014, 03:42 PM)
Nope. I dont think so. This is an actual case:

Cert = 30K
Cash investment into account = 196K
Total current balance in account = 203K

Cert 30K was taken 2012 while the 196K cash was dumped in mid 2013.
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account holders can always check their fund limits at the counter.


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post Jan 9 2014, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 9 2014, 01:04 PM)
Balance can be over the 200K limit. Thats not an issue. The 200K limit only refers to funds that are actually deposited into the account. Your dividends can accumulate without limit as long as your investment remains.

My issue here is that the total amount deposited into the account was actually 220K. Thats why i think that the sijil is not counted as part of the 200K limit.
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i can confirm that the sijil is calculated together into your initial investment limit


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post Jan 10 2014, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 10 2014, 02:48 PM)
Bro, i cant reveal everything la. The 30K sijil was invested in 2011/2012 while the 190K was invested in mid 2013. The dividends accumulated is not the issue at all whether the sijil was put in 10 yrs ago or otherwise. The 30K sijil was never withdrawn and neither has the 190K.

The point is that a total of 220K was invested in the account. How is this possible when the max investment limit is 200K? Thats the question im asking. Im not asking about the total remaining balance.
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if it doesn't pose you any problem, why bother to push your issue here?

everyone has been saying the same thing, but you insist on your own theory


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post Jan 10 2014, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 10 2014, 04:54 PM)
Im not pushing any theory here. Im asking for a clarification cuz i dont have the answer myself. Its the same question ive been asking from the start. How could a 30K sijil and 190K cash be invested in an ASB account if the sijil is included as part of the 200K limit as you say? Thats the fact of what has happened not a theory.
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it's what everyone has explained. your dividend gained allowed you to invest more capital

if you need further clarifications, u can always post your passbook & cert here, and we can see what actually happened - but you are reluctant to do so wink.gif
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post Jan 10 2014, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 10 2014, 05:30 PM)
Sorry i dont understand this: How does my dividend gained allow me to invest more than the limit?

30K Sijil taken in 2012 while 190K invested mid 2013. That takes the total investment to 220K.
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why don't u just post a pic of your passbook here

and do you hold the cert? or at least a copy of the cert?
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post Jan 10 2014, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Jan 10 2014, 08:18 PM)
"officially" the guideline say 200k limit (ex-dividend) but reality it's anyone guess  whistling.gif

inb4 don't talk "rubbish" without concrete evidence / source
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i can confirm it is 200k

i've been trying to increase the limits for my clients for the past 5 - 7 yrs. met ASNB branch managers and there is no such option or application or anything of sort


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post Jan 11 2014, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(my44 @ Jan 11 2014, 12:10 AM)
Hi guys. I ve been googling and browsing the past threads but still haven't find definitive answer.

Ok, assuming my ASB is full already ie 200k. If I take ASB loan from the bank, say another 200k in form of sijil ASB then within a few weeks I settle the full loan amount, will the 200k sijil becomes mine or the bank will sell it?

Note: I'm aware of early termination fee, possibly 3% of loan amount 200k.

Anyone knows?
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if you have 200k and do not wish to service a loan, why make the loan in the first place? hmm.gif

if you do that:

1. you will get the early termination penalty
2. you will lose 1 month dividend (let's assume div = 8%, thus 1 month div on 200k = RM 1,333.33)
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post Jan 11 2014, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(my44 @ Jan 11 2014, 12:58 AM)
Like this lah. ASB already maxed 200k. I also have another cash 200k, say, in bank harimau. I cannot put this 200k in ASB anymore, right? So I am just doing the quick loan, get 200k in form of sijil ASB, then use cash in bank harimau to full settle the ASB loan (and kena penalty, of course), but the sijil becomes mine, no?

End result: 200k in ASB regular, 200k in sijil. Can?
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again, my question is why?

if you want a sijil, u can just convert all your ASB deposit to sijil. it's easy as that. anyone can buy sijil, u don't have to go thru bank or need to obtain a loan to get a cert

and again, my question, why sijil?

there's no diff in sijil and also passbook deposit.


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post Jan 11 2014, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(my44 @ Jan 11 2014, 01:02 AM)
1. Early penalty I will need to consider, if 3% x 200k = 6k in 'exchange' of additional savings quota in ASB (in form of sijil)
2. I might lose x-month of dividend but i'll have 200k+200k to accrue for dividend for many years to come. Logik or not?
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your initial limit will still be 200k.

the additional limits will be accrued from your dividend

don't confuse those two.
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post Jan 11 2014, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Jan 11 2014, 11:29 AM)
so many speculation on asnb limit, i believe for the one who already reached the limit, it is so easy to know the answer. If u have reached the limit, you can try to get loan and see whether you get it in the first place. If you are denied, than for certain 200k is the firm limit. easy right....
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when u get the annual statement from ASNB, there's a column where it says how much more you can invest

later tonite i upload one example
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post Jan 11 2014, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jan 11 2014, 08:09 PM)
From the latest balance, u won't know how much is principal n dividend
If u insist to know, u need to perform manual calculation from day 1 until now
U can withdraw dividend ony
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starting in 2013, with the annual statement, yes you can check

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if it's 0.00 (in the white box below), that means you have invested RM 200,000.00





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post Jan 11 2014, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(popice2u @ Jan 11 2014, 04:15 PM)
that is my question.

can i then withdraw the 'dividend' money and not the investment money?
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yes you can.
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post Jan 11 2014, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jan 11 2014, 09:25 PM)
I suppose the box is solely meant for ASB
No such info/box for ASM/ASW/AS1M statement
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so far only ASB has investment limits

the picture is for others who doubted their investment limits, which has been the topic of discussions for the past few days


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post Jan 12 2014, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(popice2u @ Jan 12 2014, 07:17 AM)
my next question will be.....withdraw investment and withdraw dividend got any difference in the dividend payout calculation?
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it will affect your next dividend payout

let's say you have 100k in ASB

then for jan 2014, u have 8% dividend = rm 8,000

your new balance = rm 108,000

if you withdraw your dividend, yuo will be left with 100,000

if you keep your dividend, it will be rm 108,000


so come jan 2015 (say again another 8% div), if you w/draw your div, your 2015 div will be calculated based on the 100k = rm 8,000

if yo don't w/draw, then it will be based on 108k = RM 8,640
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post Jan 12 2014, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(popice2u @ Jan 12 2014, 10:06 AM)
not a very good example.

if my new balance = rm108,000 (investment rm100,000 + dividend rm8000)

for 2015 if i choose to withdraw rm8000 from investment, new investment is rm92,000 but the total asb account is still rm100k. how much dividend i will get in 2015 (assuming 8%), it is rm8000 or rm7320?
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for 2015, it's rm 8,000 since the dividend is based on the total balance of rm 100k.

you have to understand from my example above, your dividend is based on the BALANCE of your ASB account (which is your principal + whatever dividend & bonus accrued). if it is based on your principal investment alone, then my clients would not be receiving a 72k payout wink.gif



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post Jan 12 2014, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(jibonizuka @ Jan 12 2014, 12:43 PM)
nice pay out..  thumbup.gif

i guess your client have several ASB books.. but how the client make sure the true owner of the book not doing anything to the money? lawyers letter?
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it's only 1 passbook wink.gif

other clients' have their own pass books. nobody shares anything. i just help them go to bank and top up, update and all those normal office boy stuff


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post Jan 12 2014, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Jan 12 2014, 03:37 PM)
wah lucifah u edited even other people posting & deleted the pict of the passbook in your posting  shakehead.gif
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i merely removed the offending pics. some forumers are nic enough to even edit out the balance they saw. thank you popice2u smile.gif

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