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 ASN, ASN2, ASN3, ASG, ASB, ASW2020, ASM, ASD, AS1M, AMANAH SAHAM NASIONAL BERHAD V4

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post Nov 3 2013, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 3 2013, 07:37 AM)
In following this thread, noted that sellers are mostly those with AS1M and ASW2020. Why? Something not right / not secured with these units?

No ASM sellers?

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as far as i recall, all three amanah saham gives similar return this year

maybe the difficulty in obtaining the fund as non-bumi quota is finished...

ASM - 6.8% + special dividend
AS1M - 6.7%
ASW2020 - 6.7%




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QUOTE(lucifah @ Nov 3 2013, 08:29 AM)
as far as i recall, all three amanah saham gives similar return this year

maybe the difficulty in obtaining the fund as non-bumi quota is finished...

ASM - 6.8% + special dividend
AS1M - 6.7%
ASW2020 - 6.7%
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I see. Thanks.

ASM is slightly better.

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post Nov 3 2013, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 2 2013, 11:53 AM)
ASM dun have Bumi quota
Both ASW2020 n AS1M have Bumi quota
Wud advise u study n read the eligibility since u r partial Bumi
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That's what I'm confused about.. So I'm partially bumi for ASB only or for all ASNB except wawasan2020..
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 3 2013, 07:37 AM)
In following this thread, noted that sellers are mostly those with AS1M and ASW2020. Why? Something not right / not secured with these units?

No ASM sellers?

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Maybe due to quota
ASM - No
ASW2020 - 51% bumi n 49% for all
AS1M - 50% bumi, 30% chinese, 15% indian n 5% others
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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Nov 3 2013, 10:36 AM)
That's what I'm confused about.. So I'm partially bumi for ASB only or for all ASNB except wawasan2020..
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Suggest u walk in to any ASNB branches n obtain clarification
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 3 2013, 10:44 AM)
Maybe due to quota
ASM - No
ASW2020 - 51% bumi n 49% for all
AS1M - 50% bumi, 30% chinese, 15% indian n 5% others
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Thanks.

My brain cells are new to these ASX. I can't see the reason why no one / few people are selling ASM because it has no quota.

I may be overlooking something as clear as night and day! Ha.

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Hope that you can help me with this.

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Stated up to 90% will be in shares. During a recession, the AS1M will take a hit with the drop in KLCI and prices. Suppose they spent RM10 billion in shares and due to the recession, the share prices dropped to RM6 billion.
* suppose Joe has 50,000 AS1M units, will Joe's RM50,000 worth of AS1M units drop to 6/10*50,000= RM30,000 due to the recession?
* as the unit price is fixed at RM1, then Joe should still be able to get RM50,000 on selling his units during/after the recession. Right? If this is right, then where does ASNB get the money when it's actual real worth has dropped due to the recession?

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Stated "designed to preserve the capital of AS1M". So is it capital guaranteed?

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hmm i googled about ASNB branches why the result only 1 per state?
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 3 2013, 09:58 PM)
Hope that you can help me with this.

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Stated up to 90% will be in shares. During a recession, the AS1M will take a hit with the drop in KLCI and prices. Suppose they spent RM10 billion in shares and due to the recession, the share prices dropped to RM6 billion.
* suppose Joe has 50,000 AS1M units, will Joe's RM50,000 worth of AS1M units drop to 6/10*50,000= RM30,000 due to the recession?
* as the unit price is fixed at RM1, then Joe should still be able to get RM50,000 on selling his units during/after the recession.  Right? If this is right, then where does ASNB get the money when it's actual real worth has dropped due to the recession?

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Stated "designed to preserve the capital of AS1M". So is it capital guaranteed?

Thanks.
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If I remembered correctly the Equity portion is around 70% (2012 report).
AS1M is fixed price fund, no matter what the actual NAV is, we still get back at rm1/unit. Where they get the money I don't know.

Bro, you thinking too much, just enjoy your yearly dividend (if you invested in the fund) smile.gif
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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Nov 3 2013, 10:16 PM)
hmm i googled about ASNB branches why the result only 1 per state?
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Most state only got 1 branch. Selangor, Perak, Penang, Johor got 2 branch. Sabah & sarawak got 3-4 branch nod.gif

http://www.asnb.com.my/branches.htm
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Nov 3 2013, 10:18 PM)
If I remembered correctly the Equity portion is around 70% (2012 report).
AS1M is fixed price fund, no matter what the actual NAV is, we still get back at rm1/unit. Where they get the money I don't know.

Bro, you thinking too much, just enjoy your yearly dividend (if you invested in the fund)  smile.gif
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Thanks.

Thinking too much? Ha. I want to put in more but I need to satisfy myself on the "doubts/concerns" I have in my head. Do my due diligence and hopefully I can sleep better and also get better returns. Ha.

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 3 2013, 10:23 PM)
Thanks.

Thinking too much? Ha. I want to put in more but I need to satisfy myself on the "doubts/concerns" I have in my head. Do my due diligence and hopefully I can sleep better and also get better returns. Ha.

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Sometimes too much "doubts/concerns" can "hurt" your mind smile.gif
The fund not easy to get, It's already sold out. If got people withdraw maybe can get some units nod.gif
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 3 2013, 07:37 AM)
In following this thread, noted that sellers are mostly those with AS1M and ASW2020. Why? Something not right / not secured with these units?

No ASM sellers?

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Are you sure no seller for ASM? i just got RM2000 x 3 on 29.10.13 for that ASM
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 3 2013, 11:43 PM)
Are you sure no seller for ASM? i just got RM2000 x 3 on 29.10.13 for that ASM
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Wah! Good for you. Wish I have a tiny drop of your luck when it comes to topping up the ASX.

Good to know that there are sellers and buyers in ASM, AS1M & ASW2020, among others. That is, no hidden reason why people are dumping one ASX.

Thanks for your sharing.
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post Nov 4 2013, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 3 2013, 09:58 PM)
Hope that you can help me with this.

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Stated up to 90% will be in shares. During a recession, the AS1M will take a hit with the drop in KLCI and prices. Suppose they spent RM10 billion in shares and due to the recession, the share prices dropped to RM6 billion.
* suppose Joe has 50,000 AS1M units, will Joe's RM50,000 worth of AS1M units drop to 6/10*50,000= RM30,000 due to the recession?
* as the unit price is fixed at RM1, then Joe should still be able to get RM50,000 on selling his units during/after the recession.  Right? If this is right, then where does ASNB get the money when it's actual real worth has dropped due to the recession?

BB 
Stated "designed to preserve the capital of AS1M". So is it capital guaranteed?

Thanks.
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90% is d mandate
In actual situation, they won't invest in equities up to 90%. Actual portfolio depends on a lot of factors
The annual dividend is from d combination of current year profits n cumulative profits b/f
AS1M is not capital guarantee. ASNB fixed buy n sell price @ RM1/unit oni
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 3 2013, 10:23 PM)
Thanks.

Thinking too much? Ha. I want to put in more but I need to satisfy myself on the "doubts/concerns" I have in my head. Do my due diligence and hopefully I can sleep better and also get better returns. Ha.

Cheerio.
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U r doing d right thing b4 investments
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 4 2013, 10:04 AM)
U r doing d right thing b4 investments
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Thanks, sifu!
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Went to MayBank, kosong. Again!

Decided to go to the Post Office as tomorrow will be a holiday anyway.

Luck was on me this time. Got some for all the 3 (ASM, AS1M & ASW2020, total RM2000). The lady there was very helpful, checking for me numerous times. According to her, ASM has the most sellers (though I find it hard to get any).

Good to see friendly and helpful staff like the lady at the Post Office. Sorry, I did not get her name. Will do so the next time I go there.

Wonder why they need multiple purchases instead of one lump sum (e.g., 100+400+500 instead of one 1000). Can anyone help to clarify?

Thanks.
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 4 2013, 03:13 PM)
Went to MayBank, kosong. Again!

Decided to go to the Post Office as tomorrow will be a holiday anyway.

Luck was on me this time. Got some for all the 3 (ASM, AS1M & ASW2020, total RM2000). The lady there was very helpful, checking for me numerous times. According to her, ASM has the most sellers (though I find it hard to get any).

Good to see friendly and helpful staff like the lady at the Post Office. Sorry, I did not get her name. Will do so the next time I go there.

Wonder why they need multiple purchases instead of one lump sum (e.g., 100+400+500 instead of one 1000). Can anyone help to clarify?

Thanks.
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Since you managed to get such a helpful staff, must belanja her next time.

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 4 2013, 03:13 PM)
Went to MayBank, kosong. Again!

Decided to go to the Post Office as tomorrow will be a holiday anyway.

Luck was on me this time. Got some for all the 3 (ASM, AS1M & ASW2020, total RM2000). The lady there was very helpful, checking for me numerous times. According to her, ASM has the most sellers (though I find it hard to get any).

Good to see friendly and helpful staff like the lady at the Post Office. Sorry, I did not get her name. Will do so the next time I go there.

Wonder why they need multiple purchases instead of one lump sum (e.g., 100+400+500 instead of one 1000). Can anyone help to clarify?

Thanks.
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Gud question
Unfortunately no specific answer to yo question
I wud say Timing

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