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post Aug 18 2013, 05:00 PM, updated 13y ago

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The first hokkien emperror of japan , jinmu tenno

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According to mythology, Japan's first Emperor Jimmu was enthroned in the year 660 BC. While the myths are not considered historically accurate, it is a commonly accepted fact that emperors have reigned over Japan for more than 1500 years, and that they have all descended from the same imperial family.

Emperor Jimmu was the first Emperor of Japan according to the traditional order of succession and he was called was Jinmu tenno 神武天皇 in kanji. Kanji was in hokkien so it is natural that his original name would in hokkien too.

Jinmu tenno 神武天皇 - Shin bu thee ong (hokkien)

in mandarin 神 - shen
in cantonese - shan
in hokkien - shin

Not surprising too that sky king 天皇 in his royal name was pronounced phonetically after hokkien too. To clear out any confusion, there was no differentiation between emperor and king in ancient time .Wang was earlier pronunciation of huang.

In mandarin, 天皇 - tian wang
in cantonese and hakka - tin wong
in hokkien - thee o ng(a negligible slang)

Only japanese pronuciation of o is similar to the prnunciation of hokkien of ong. In hokkien the pronuciation of ong/hang/ ang is voiced as a big o followed dimly by slang of ng. Whether the latter articulation of ng is pronounced does not matter as it is just a slang. Clearly the pronuciation of jinmu tenno was in hokkien as other dialects are slightly different in intonation.



Xu fu (hok / blessed) was the the first emperor jimmu

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Emperor Qin Shihuang sent out Xu Fu. After traveling for a while on the sea, Xu Fu came back and told Emperor Qinshihuang there was a flood dragon in the water that kept him from the mountain. The emperor set out to sea by himself. When his ship came to a small island, he came across a big fish. Emperor Qinshihuang killed it and believed there would be no more obstacles on the way to the mountain. But, Xu Fu still did not bring back the immortal grass and didn't dare see the emperor again. Instead, he decided to bring the 3,000 boys and girls and the craftsmen to Japan. In the end, Xu Fu died at the foot of the Fuji Mountain.

There are many stories and historical records about Xu Fu in Japan. Some scholars speculate that Xu Fu was the legendary Jimmu Tenno. Japanese people worship him as an ancestor and there are even sites of Xu Fu's tomb, Xu Fu's palace and Xu Fu's cliff. In 1991, a park named after Xu Fu was opened in a Japanese city. People worship him every autumn and hold a grand ceremony every 50 years.

Relationship between him and qin( 秦朝) and the aryan demigods.

According to Shinto belief, Jimmu is regarded as a direct descendant of the sun goddess, Amaterasu.Amaterasu had a son called Ame no Oshihomimi no Mikoto and through him a grandson named Ninigi-no-Mikoto. She sent her grandson to the Japanese islands where he eventually married Konohana-Sakuya-hime.

Similar legends was told in the history of qin where the son of qin shi huang defected to island of penglai which is japan today and both regarded themselves as 'came from god' (shin/ jin) . The han ji of Qin is 秦 which basically is qin dynasty but the original form of qin before the liquidation of traditional character and introduction of simplified chinese was qin - shin 神 in hokkien. That means that both qin and jin/ shin in japanese were originally meant to relate to demigod race which bring its relation to the aryan that they once were before migration to the far east.

The name 'Qin' (pronounced as 'Chin') is believed to be the etymological ancestor of the modern-day European name of the country, China. The word probably made its way into the Indo-Aryan languages first as 'Cina' or 'Sina' and then into Greek and Latin as 'Sinai' or 'Thinai.It was then transliterated into English and French as 'China' and 'Chine'. This etymology is dismissed by some scholars, who suggest that 'Sina' in Sanskrit evolved much earlier before the Qin dynasty. 'Jin' (pronounced as 'Zhin').


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Dynasty

Cina - Sina - shin ah 神啊

The hokkien pronunciation of cina is sin ah which means god ah corresponds to Japanese mythology of legends that the origin of the first emperor of japan was from sun god amaterasu in which the sun god derived its existence from the aryan race of demigods as told like in bible where the demigods who were son of gods who had relations with daughters of men was punished to an earthly life !

Sinai - shin lai 神来 (came from god)

The biblical Mount Sinai (cina) was one of the most important sacred places in the Abrahamic religions where it was the moutain where God gave laws to the Israelites


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so everyone in nippon is cainis?
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another bs chinese supremacy by tankerbell
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many japanese words pronounce same with hokkien

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post Aug 18 2013, 05:03 PM

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stopped reading at Aryan demigods.

go read about genetics la. den u will see the difference.




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ok...china is coming to claim japan liao
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japanese, chinese, koreans... what's the difference?
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QUOTE(Wanie404 @ Aug 18 2013, 05:03 PM)
another bs chinese supremacy by tankerbell
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so the prisoners who ran away frm china to japan few thousand years ago were hokkiens?
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QUOTE(Wanie404 @ Aug 18 2013, 05:03 PM)
another bs chinese supremacy by tankerbell
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so anyone who mata mcm orang cina suma claim same la...?? so negro mata kecik claim black cainis izit ? hmm.gif
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there is also sayings that japanese are from a fleet of people where emperor Qin send out to find "immortal pill"
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QUOTE(choyster @ Aug 18 2013, 05:10 PM)
one thread kena nuke already now another one pop up lool
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Aug 18 2013, 05:07 PM)
damn TS smoke some sheogorathdamn good weed
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Last time i had enough with his japanese noodle = hokkien mee.
Now he claim japanese= holkkien liao. Wadafuq
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post Aug 18 2013, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(patheon17 @ Aug 18 2013, 05:09 PM)
so the prisoners who ran away frm china to japan few thousand years ago were hokkiens?
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They were not prisioners but people who ran away from the civil wars in china.

When the hokkiens went there, they named cities after fu eg. Fukuoka, fukui, fuji and etc meaning they are blessed to have found the land just like christians and muslims who bless their food and place from the god who had given them the honor for it. . These were very old cities established by the yayo whichi were highly disputable to be hokkien as the name suggests. Slowly their race were named after fu / hok as hokkien.

for people who dont understand chinese - fu - hok - blessed . It can also mean fu - hok - rich as in fuji - rich mountain

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so now japan can claim china?
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we, actually everyone in asia, all know chinese/japanese/korean are related to each others, it is a fact, but then it is not much of importance now, they are 3 different people already.

just like arabs and jews, actually sharing same ancestry, but it is also not relevant now.
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cantonese is related to thai, hokkien relate to japanese, korean is mongolian
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QUOTE(kamfoo @ Aug 18 2013, 05:29 PM)
cantonese is related to thai,  hokkien relate to japanese, korean is mongolian
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ya it is roughly like that .
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QUOTE(skincladalien @ Aug 18 2013, 05:11 PM)
there is also sayings that japanese are from a fleet of people where emperor Qin send out to find "immortal pill"
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this is TRUE! but japanese ignore and dun admit that chinese are japanese ancestors!
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chinese, korean and japanese shares the same roots i believe

they are the true asians, the sons of the rising sun
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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Aug 18 2013, 05:23 PM)
They were not prisioners but people who ran away from the civil wars in china.

When the hokkiens went there, they named cities after fu meaning they are blessed to have found the land just like christians and muslims who bless their food and place from the god who had given them the honor for it. Slowly their race were named after fu / hok as hokkien. eg. Fukuoka, fukui, fuji and etc. These were very old cities established by the yayo whichi were highly disputable to be hokkien as the name suggests. fujian- hokkien

for people who dont understand chinese - fu - hok - blessed . It can also mean fu - hok - rich as in fuji - rich mountain
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so arnd which year they escaped china? n cn go japan n create a language n culture totally diff frm their ancestral china
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QUOTE(Leprodige @ Aug 18 2013, 05:32 PM)
chinese, korean and japanese shares the same roots i believe

they are the true asians, the sons of the rising sun
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so kimchi = sushi = amoi?
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QUOTE(patheon17 @ Aug 18 2013, 05:35 PM)
so arnd which year they escaped china? n cn go japan n create a language n culture totally diff frm their ancestral china
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kanji completely the same what?
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QUOTE(Human10 @ Aug 18 2013, 05:35 PM)
so kimchi = sushi = amoi?
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QUOTE(Human10 @ Aug 18 2013, 05:36 PM)
kanji completely the same what?
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but language n culture totally diff, so diff
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QUOTE(patheon17 @ Aug 18 2013, 05:35 PM)
so arnd which year they escaped china? n cn go japan n create a language n culture totally diff frm their ancestral china
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the language and culture share a lot of similarities
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QUOTE(titanz @ Aug 18 2013, 05:32 PM)
this is TRUE! but japanese ignore and dun admit that chinese are japanese ancestors!
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If u remove the later character of qin 秦 which basically means qin dynasty to shin 神, the old character for qin , then both the mythology of japanese first emperor and qin dynasty coincided . Both basically told similar stories that they were from sun god race.

If u looked at qin dynasty they were west of china which in ancient times , there were told of people who were descent of demigods who migrated from norhtern india and settled in the far east. That is why in old chinese history , demigods with superpower as told in movies like air benders, piper potts in ironman were very common.

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QUOTE(titanz @ Aug 18 2013, 05:32 PM)
this is TRUE! but japanese ignore and dun admit that chinese are japanese ancestors!
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those chinese assimilated with native japanese, so basically it is half.

today's dna test revealed that over 60% of japanese men share chromosome related to chinese ancestry, and over 50% women.
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QUOTE(rivost @ Aug 18 2013, 05:40 PM)
those chinese assimilated with native japanese, so basically it is half.

today's dna test revealed that over 60% of japanese men share chromosome related to chinese ancestry, and over 50% women.
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Let me tell u who were the jomon natives. They were teo chew surname goh, wu. That is why teo chew had the tradition of eating yee sang which incorporated raw fish in the dishes. Dont think it is a coincident. One of the earlieast the hokkien met was the teo chew where they to lost to the hokkien and adopt tew chew which is basically hokkien to their language.
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QUOTE(Leprodige @ Aug 18 2013, 05:38 PM)
the language and culture share a lot of similarities
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japan actually used the same han characters as china until they changed in late 19th century

say you are a chinese who doesn't know how to read japanese. how many words you recognize here?

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QUOTE(rivost @ Aug 18 2013, 05:46 PM)
japan actually used the same han characters as china until they changed in late 19th century

say you are a chinese who doesn't know how to read japanese. how many words you recognize here?

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actually i know all of them

except the name of the shop, i can only read half

dont think they change a lot, as those roadsigns, pamplets, or even instruction booklets of japanese products we can roughly read
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ktards featuring about chinese race today..

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“ Tamadun Awal Jepun : Orang Wa Perintis Pembinaan Peradaban Negara Bangsa Yamato ”



Jaafar Jambi



Abstract : Since the exodus of the Asian people to the island of Japan various knowledge and technologies from the mainland were introduced to the new world. These knowledge and technologies had been used wisely through the process of assimilation and adaptation toward the new environment. The outcome of this processes were the emerging of a new breed of people called Wa. The people of Wa started building their country‟s civilization beginning from the unification the Uji groups to the setting up of a country called Yamato. The Yamato reached a civilized nation status when it fulfilled the basic criteria of civilization which include criteria such as there must be a human residence and a few city centres, stable life span of the people, existence of social organizations and institutions and other characteristics.

Keywords : Negara Yamato, Jepun, orang Wa, Negara China, Asas Peradaban



Pengenalan

Negara Jepun merupakan sebuah kepulauan yang terletak di timur benua Asia yang mengandungi empat pulau utama iaitu Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku dan Kyushu dan empat ribu pulau-pulau kecil. Kepulauan Jepun memanjang dari hujung sebelah utara sehingga hujung sebelah selatan yang berukuran lebih kurang 3000 kilometer. Keempat-empat pulau utama itu merupakan tumpuan tempat tinggal dan aktiviti penduduk Jepun.1

Kepulauan Jepun terletak di garisan latitud 45° 33‟ utara dan 20° 25‟ selatan, di garisan longitud 122° 56‟ timur dan 153° 59‟ timur. Kepulauan ini mengalami iklim hawa sederhana dengan empat musim iaitu dari Julai ~ September adalah musim panas, Oktober ~ Disember adalah musim luruh/gugur, Januari ~ Mach adalah musim sejuk dan April ~ Jun adalah musim bunga.

Kepulauan Jepun terletak dalam lingkaran gunung berapi aktif Asia Pasifik. Oleh yang demikian hasil daripada aktiviti gunung berapi ini terdapat banyak gunung berapi dan kawasan bergunung ganang yang terbentuk di negara Jepun. Kawasan pergunungan ini meliputi kawasan yang luas menyebabkan kawasan tanah rata sangat sedikit sekali. Hanya 30 peratus sahaja kawasan rata yang membolehkan aktiviti manusia dijalankan dan di kawasan yang kecil inilah orang-orang Jepun tinggal dan menjalankan kehidupan seharian mereka.



Catatan Awal Berkenaan Negara Jepun

Pada kurun ke 3 M penghijrahan manusia telah berlaku daripada semenanjung Korea ke kepulauan Jepun. Beberapa kurun kemudian mereka telah menukar budaya zaman batu mereka kepada budaya pertanian dan seni logam. Dapat dipastikan bahawa kumpulan yang pertama inilah yang menjadi pewaris bahasa dan budaya Jepun.


Catatan sejarah tentang negara Jepun ini banyak didapati daripada catatan-catatan oleh pencatat-pencatat kerajaan negara China. Pada 82 M, catatan terawal tentang negara Jepun adalah catatan yang menyebut mengenai orang Wa (ŒT) yang dikatakan tinggal di pulau-pulau seberang laut dari Loulang, sebuah pangkalan tentera China di utara semenanjung Korea. Mengikut catatan kedua dalam The History Of later Han pada 445 pula menyatakan,

“ According to Hou Han Shu (The History Of Later Han) compiled about 445), the Chinese emperor Guangwu presented a seal and a ribbon to the Wa ruler of Na, thought to have been located in north Kyushu ”.

Berkaitan dengan it mohor (seal) yang tertulis “ Raja wilayah Na dalam negara Wa di bawah naungan Dinasti Han ” yang disahkan kesahihannya telah dijumpai dekat Shikanoshima di Fukuoka wilayah Kyushu.


Negara Jepun telah mengadakan perhubungan dengan negara China sejak 200 M lagi dan telah menjadikan negara China sebagai negara perlindungannya. Keakraban kedua-dua negara ini telah memperlihatkan aktiviti peniruan di pihak negara Jepun dari segi bentuk kerajaan, agama Buddha dan sistem tulisan daripada negara China. Catatan-catatan ini merupakan tulisan utusan-utusan kerajaan negara China yang dihantar ke negara Jepun.

“ When they (Japanese) go on voyages across the sea to visit China, they always select a man who does not comb his hair, does not rid himself of fleas, lets his clothing get as dirty as it will, does not eat meat, and does not lie with women……. ”

(Ganley A.C, 1989:15)

Catatan di atas telah diterbitkan pada 297 M yang menerangkan keadaan orang Jepun apabila mereka datang melawat negara China. Walaupun perhubungan dengan negara China sudah terjalin tetapi tidak meluas kerana kerajaan Yamato (kerajaan pertama negara Jepun) masih belum terbentuk. Kalau di banding dengan orang China, orang Jepun yang digambarkan di atas itu sangat mundur dan mempunyai pemikiran yang karut. Mereka percaya jika perjalanan mereka selamat orang hodoh yang digambarkan di atas itu akan diberikan hadiah dan jika perjalanan mereka ditimpa bencana dan kecelakaan, orang itu akan dibunuh kerana dikatakan melanggar pantang.

“ When lowly meet men of importance on the road, they stop and withdraw to the roadside. In conveying messages to them or addressing them, they either squat or kneel with both hands on the ground. This is the way they show respect. When responding, they say „ ah ‟ , which corresponds to the affirmative „yes ‟. ”

(Takeuchi L, 1999:2)

Di dalam satu lagi catatan yang direkodkan pada 297 M juga pencatat kerajaan negara China ada melaporkan tentang bagaimana orang Jepun memberi hormat kepada seseorang yang mempunyai status yang lebih tinggi daripada mereka. Mereka samada akan mencangkung atau pun melutut dengan kedua-dua tapak tangan di tanah sambil menyahut pertanyaan dengan berkata „ ah ‟ yang bererti „ ya ‟.


Catatan-catatan di atas merupakan catatan yang dilakukan oleh utusan atau wakil kerajaan negara China. Negara China merupakan negara luar yang pertama yang mempunyai perhubungan dengan negara Jepun sebelum pembentukan negara Jepun awal iaitu negara Yamato. Pada ketika itu masyarakat Jepun hidup dalam kumpulan-kumpulan masyarakat yang dikenali sebagai uji seperti mana yang tertera di bawah ini.

“During the reigns of Huan-ti (A.D. 147-168) and Ling-ti (A.D. 168-189) the country of Wa was in state of great confusion, war and conflict raging on all sides. For a numbers of years, there was no ruler. Then a woman named Himiko appeared. Remaining unmarried, she occupied herself with magic and sorcery and bewitched the populace. “

(Ganley A.C, 1989:16)

Catatan ini telah diterbitkan pada 445 M. semasa pemerintahan Maharaja Huan-ti dan Ling-ti di China. Utusan kerajaan telah melaporkan tentang keadaan huru hara negara Wa (Jepun kuno) dalam kancah peperangan dan ketidakstabilan. Setiap uji mempunyai seorang ketua (perempuan atau lelaki) dan beberapa orang pembantu bagi mentadbir kumpulan mereka. Semua kumpulan uji ini mengamalkan animisme dengan mempunyai kami (tuhan) yang berbeza-beza mengikut kumpulan uji. Oleh kerana setiap uji mempunyai pentadbiran yang berbeza-beza maka salah faham tentang wilayah sering membawa kepada peperangan. Peperangan di antara uji ini kerap berlaku sehingga Himiko (seorang ketua kumpulan uji perempuan) dapat menguasai kumpulan-kumpulan uji yang lain dan memerintah kumpulan yang besar itu dengan menggunakan ilmu hitam dan ajaran karut untuk menakut-nakutkan ahli masyarakat supaya patuh kepadanya.

Berdasarkan kepada kenyataan-kenyataan di atas dapat dilihat bahawa perhubungan antara negara Jepun dengan negara China telah terjalin sejak dari awal lagi. Negara China pada ketika itu telah pun menjadi sebuah masyarakat yang bertamadun tinggi. Oleh yang demikian segala urusan dengan negara luar telah direkodkan. Catatan di atas menunjukkan bahawa maharaja China berkenan memberikan hadiah yang merupakan lambang persahabatan di antara kedua negara. Perhubungan ini telah mendatangkan banyak kebaikan kepada pihak negara Jepun di mana maharaja-maharaja yang memerintah Jepun telah meniru cara atau gaya orang China dan Korea mentadbir negara. Di bawah adalah catatan mengenai kehidupan orang Jepun pada masa itu.

“There are about 100,000 households. It is customary to punish murder, arson and adultery with death. Thieves are made to make restitution in accordance with the value of goods stolen. ……. . As for musical instruments, they have five-stringed lyres and flutes. Both men and women paint marks on their arms and spots on their faces and have their bodies tattoed. They catched fish by diving into the water. They have no written characters and understand only the use of notched sticks and knotted ropes. ”

(Ganley A.C, 1989:16)

Catatan wakil utusan kerajaan negara China pada 630 M yang melaporkan tentang kegiatan kehidupan masyarakat Jepun. Masyarakat Jepun pada masa itu berjumlah sebanyak 100 ribu keluarga dan mereka juga mempunyai peraturan-peraturan mengenai hukuman mati terhadap pembunuhan, pembakaran rumah dan perzinaan. Dicatatkan juga alat-alat muzik yang dimainkan oleh orang Jepun iaitu alat muzik petikan dan seruling. Rupa bentuk orang Jepun juga diterangkan di mana orang lelaki dan perempuan mewarnakan tanda di tangan mereka dan menandakan tompok-tompok di muka serta membuat “ tattoo ” di badan mereka. Mereka menangkap ikan dengan menyelam. Mereka tidak mempunyai sistem tulisan dan berhubung dengan menggunakan tanda takekan di kayu serta ikatan kayu.













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it's a pity that han chinese doesn't want to recognize mongolian, manchurian, central asian and eskimo as descendant of chinese despite having same complexion (slanted eyes). maybe nomads are forever treated as barbaric and uncivilized.

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" 신라는 倭의 속국 " Silla was a vassal state of ancient Japan



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there is also sayings that japanese are from a fleet of people where emperor Qin send out to find "immortal pill"
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Those people were Hok Chews (Fu Zhou)
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Another Rubbish History wth irrelevant wikipedia sos tomato by tankerbell.. biggrin.gif

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Hang Tuah was also Hokkien.
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not to forget , hokkien old folk songs are very similar to japanese too. Today hokkien got influenced from indigenous group but its undeniable that old hokkien songs are identical to japanese folk song.


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not to forget , hokkien old folk songs are very similar to japanese too. Today hokkien got influenced from indigenous group but its undeniable that old hokkien songs are identical to japanese folk song.
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i thought its related to japanese occupation in taiwan? sweat.gif
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Chinese Koreans Japanese are all related more or less I feel.I know last time Koreans use Chinese words until they create their own one.Even the Korean language now some pronunciation same same a bit with mandarin.Japanese uses Chinese characters mix with their own one till today.Koreans descended from northern part of Asia.We know Chinese is made up of 56 ethnics.If I'm not mistaken if you go northern china there the chinese people look like Koreans.They all three share the same culture too.It is all because china during the past was very influential to all East Asians.eg Confucianism and such.Even their building structures look more or less the same
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Another Rubbish History wth irrelevant wikipedia sos tomato by tankerbell..  biggrin.gif

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hah cannot accept the truth that cina bukit established old japan ?

Wan me to tell stories that korean anyeong haseyo and surname kim also hokkien too ? lol
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Satu dunia ni semua nya cainis nak klaim.
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this is TRUE! but japanese ignore and dun admit that chinese are japanese ancestors!
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Just like meleis and indos...meleis too never admit indos is their ancestors.
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If you read Korean newspaper you'll see some Chinese words there.they still use it till now to give a more accurate meaning because probably the Korean language vocab not big enough.Even their birth certificate got Chinese words as their name
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i thought its related to japanese occupation in taiwan?  sweat.gif
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nope the original hokkien song sound almost exactly like japanese old folk song .

That is why today taiwanese sings their song like japanese too and they like to intermixe japanese to their songs.



Another one so similar to hokkien style.
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While all this might be true, you're forgetting that the Chinese came from India.
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nope the original hokkien song sound almost exactly like japanese old folk song .

That is why today taiwanese sings their song like japanese too and they like to intermixe japanese to their songs.



Another one so similar to hokkien style.
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the song really got abit similar, not abit 70%, especially the starting background music
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QUOTE(kqtan1966 @ Aug 18 2013, 06:02 PM)
Just like meleis and indos...meleis too never admit indos is their ancestors.
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if japanese and korean people are as barbaric as mongolian, kazakh and manchurian, chinese will not give a f***.

nowadays, republic of korea and japan empire are developed. chinese want to tumpang glamour. lel.

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Cina originally were an indo aryan race as told in japanese mythology of sun god and qin/ shin of god race.
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Indians were of God race.

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Selepas Qin Shihuang menjadi maharaja, beliau cuba hidup abadi. Beliau mendapat maklumat bahawa dalam Laut Bohai ada gunung kayangan dan ubat mukjizat hidup abadi. Maka beliau menghantar ahli nujum mencari ubat tersebut. Yang terlebih dahulu dihantar oleh Qin Shihuang mencari ubat itu ialah Lu Sheng. Lu Sheng bertolak dari Jieshi iaitu Pulau Qinhuangtao hari ini, tapi gagal mendapati ubat tersebut. Sekarang dalam Taman Dongshan di bandar Qinhuangtao masih ada tempat tinggalan sejarah tentang cerita itu. Pada tahun 1992, patong batu geranit warna hitam Qin Shihuang yang setinggi 6 meter dan seberat 80 tan telah tersergam di Taman Dongshan.

Lu Sheng gagal mendapati ubat mukjizat hidup abadi, Qin Shihuang menghantar lagi Xu Fu mencari ubat tersebut. Selepas Xu Fu pertama kali pulang selepas mencari ubat tersebut, beliau menyatakan bahawa beliau telah naik ke Gunung Fenglaixian dan melihat ubat mukjizat hidup abadi, akan tetapi dewa dalam gunung itu meminta beliau membawa lebih banyak cendera mata baru boleh membawa balik ubat tersebut dan mengatakannya jika hendak mendapati ubat mukjizat hidup abadi, mesti menghantar muda mudi dan tukang kraftangan. Qin Shihuang berasa sangat gembira selepas mendapat maklumat bahawa Xu Fu sudah melihat ubat mukjizat hidup abadi, dan segera memilih 3000 muda mudi dan beberapa tukang kraftangan kepada Xu Fu dan mengarahnya mengambil balik ubat mukjizat hidup abadi tersebut. Xu Fu gagal lagi mendapati ubat itu dari laut dan memberitahu Qin Shihujang konon kali ini gagal disebabkan ada ikan besar dalam laut, menghalangi kapal mendekati gunung kayangan, jika hendak pergi ke gunung itu, mesti dilengkapi pemanah mahir dan senjata maju. Seketika itu, Qin Shihuang bermimpi beliau bertempur dengan dewa laut, menurut penjelasan profesor nujum, dewa laut itu justeru lambang ikan besar. Maka Qin Shihuang percaya perkataan Xu Fu, dan menghantar pemanah dan menyediakan senjata kepada Xu Fu dan sendiri mengikuti kapal ke laut. Semasa kapal berlayar di tempat berdekatan Pulau Zhifu, telah nampak seekor ikan besar, Qin Shihuang sendiri membunuh ikan tersebut dan berpendapat tidak ada rintangan lagi menuju ke gunung kayangan. Tapi gunung kayangan dan ubat mukjizat tidak didapati, Xu Fu tidak berani menemui Qin Shihuang lagi. Beliau membawa 3,000 muda mudi dan sekumpulan tukang kraftangan telah pergi ke Jepun dan hidup di sana. Akhirnya, Xu Fu meninggal dunia di kawasan Gunung Fujishan Jepun.
Di Jepun, ada legenda dan catatan tentang Xu Fu, ada sarjana berpendapat bahawa Xu Fu ialah raja Shenwu yang terkenal dalam sejarah penubuhan negara Jepun. Rakyat Jepun juga menyanjung Xu Fu dan menghormatinya sebagai “ dewa pertanian ” dan “ dewa ubat-ubatan ”. Bekas tempat Xu Fu termasuk makam, istana, batu dan tugu peringaatan Xu Fu dipelihara di Jepun setakat hari ini. Pada tahun 1991, rakyat Jepun juga mendirikan sebuah Taman “ Jalan Xu Fu ” di Ken Saga. Pada musim gugur setiap tahun, rakyat ken Saga akan menyumbangkan padi kepada patong Xu Fu. Upacara yang meriah juga akan diadakan setiap 50 tahun untuk memperingati Xu Fu.




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if japanese and korean people are as barbaric as mongolian, kazakh and manchurian, chinese will not give a f***.
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Japanese already barbarian during ww2, but we give a fark
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The faces of Japanese



If you're currently staying in Japan, take close looks at faces of Japanese. Typically it is possible to categorize them into two :


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The hairy face in the left is called " Jomon " face while the flat one " Yayoi " face. The terms you're going to remember are just two this time.

We tend to think that Japan is a unified country composed by a single race. However, Japanese people have been formed after thousands years of racial mixture between two, Jomon and Yayoi.


How about him below ? He is a typical kind of Jomon people. He was a popular leader of Kagoshima prefecture, southern part of southern island (Kyushu).


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Then how about the woman below ? Please notice her characteristics such as thin eyes or big front teeth. Yes, that's a Yayoi face.


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The faces of Japanese

If you're currently staying in Japan, take close looks at faces of Japanese. Typically it is possible to categorize them into two:



The hairy face in the left is called "Jomon" face while the flat one "Yayoi" face. The terms you're going to remember are just two this time.

We tend to think that Japan is a unified country composed by a single race. However, Japanese people have been formed after thousands years of racial mixture between two, Jomon and Yayoi.


How about him below? He is a typical kind of Jomon people. He was a popular leader of Kagoshima prefecture, southern part of southern island (Kyushu).



Then how about the woman below? Please notice her characteristics such as thin eyes or big front teeth. Yes, that's a Yayoi face.


It is found from recent studies that the Jomon was a conquered race after the Yayoi gradually spreaded to the entire Japan (about B.C. 300 to A. D. 300). However, you can easily find the native Japanese, the Jomon, if you'd have a chance to visit Okinawa or Hokkaido. Of course there are a lot of people with " jomonized " features in the main island, too. But the pure Jomon are already almost extinct in the places where the traffic has been great. (The figure below indicates that the Jomon came from the south. However, there's another perspective that they came from North through Sakhalin. Either way, the history of the Jomon must have been quite old.)


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Recently, Japanese have been suffering from a huge identity crisis : although they are identified by their Yayoi faces, the wintry-looking, mongol-oriented face tends to be repelled. Especially, plastic surgery for eyes, cutting " Mongolian fold ", is getting popular. The mongolian fold functioned to protect their tear duct with the thick eyelid, but the physiological need has disappeard. High cheekbone is another hated property the Yayoi have.


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Look at the picture above. Can you believe that's the same person ? The main magic is cutting the " folds ", the eyelids, that cover a large portion of your eyes. This process exposes his lacrimal glands. The inclination to the plastic surgery we see these days was said as yearning for European. Regardless of which type they are craving for, European or Jomon, it's sure they have many complaints about what they inherited from their ancestors.




Another annoying part they hate is their teeth. Many Japanese have uneven teeth. Funnily, Korean or Chinese sometimes distinguish themselves from Japanese by the teeth. They have better evenness! The uneven teeth is a result of the race mixture as you might suspect. The size of the jaw from one race doesn't match the size of the teeth from the other race. My case by the way is OK. I have a combination of a big jaw and big teeth.


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The Chinese race is actually a political creation of the Han dynasty, in which they are still known as Han Chinese today.

Before Han there was the tyrannic Qin dynasty, China's first imperial dynasty. There were 2 groups that escaped Qin, one to Japan and another down south to unknown whereabout (presumably Vietnam)

Based on the Han racial unification, Japanese are actually quite 'far', the closest cousins for the Chinese people are the North Vietnamese and North Koreans.

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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Aug 18 2013, 06:00 PM)
hah cannot accept the truth that cina bukit established old japan ?

Wan me to tell stories that korean anyeong haseyo and surname kim also hokkien too ? lol
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No need.. Most of the surname in Korean are Chinese & based on Confucian roots. biggrin.gif Even Angyeong is shared wth hakka greeting!

How about Chinchiak or really in Koprwean> Bongchun as in Hainanese bonkang or similar sounding canto?

Even Tan also having surname in Korean in the form of "Jin"but rare biggrin.gif Kim is Gold or in Hanja written as 金 Similar pronounciation as Hokkien or in Canto "Kum" / Mandarin Ching biggrin.gif

BTW, If you dunno, Korean also using Chinese Characters and having more than 50% shared chinese words which is even more than Japanese.. Only that in 15th Century, King Sojeong, implement korean alphaphet replacing Hanja (Chinese Character smile.gif
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Yayoi Period (400BC-250AD)


Himiko Yamataikoku (Queen Of Yamataikoku) 230AD


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Mononobe Chastisment Of Iwai 527AD


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The Chinese race is actually a political creation of the Han dynasty, in which they are still known as Han Chinese today.

Before Han there was the tyrannic Qin dynasty, China's first imperial dynasty. There were 2 groups that escaped Qin, one to Japan and another down south to unknown whereabout (presumably Vietnam)

Based on the Han racial unification, Japanese are actually quite 'far', the closest cousins for the Chinese people are the North Vietnamese and North Koreans.

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An old K forummer even concurred that there was also a documentary in History Channel which said that the first explorer who later become the first emperor was from a hokkien community. Because it is a paid channel , i didnt go to search for it.

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Tenkei No Ran (The Tenkei War) 940AD

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Heian Fashions 1083AD

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Kamakura Period (1185AD–1333AD)



Dan No Ura 1185AD

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actually japs/korean/chinese all use some hanji in somepoint
way of counting things in these 3 not so different voice
but i thinking korea/japan language more closed to hakka+hokkien

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Japanese: Sekai
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That's the only world I know that is pronounced similarly to hokkien.
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QUOTE(stimix @ Aug 18 2013, 06:15 PM)
No need.. Most of the surname in Korean are Chinese & based on Confucian roots.  biggrin.gif  Even Angyeong is shared wth hakka greeting!

How about Chinchiak or really in Koprwean> Bongchun as in Hainanese bonkang or similar sounding canto?

Even Tan also having surname in Korean in the form of "Jin"but rare  biggrin.gif  Kim is Gold or in Hanja written as 金 Similar pronounciation as Hokkien or in Canto "Kum" / Mandarin Ching biggrin.gif

BTW, If you dunno, Korean also using Chinese Characters and having more than 50% shared chinese words which is even more than Japanese.. Only that in 15th Century, King Sojeong, implement korean alphaphet replacing Hanja (Chinese Character  smile.gif
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They are still using chinese words to this day.Just lesser
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the song really got abit similar, not abit 70%, especially the starting background music
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Old chinese folk song tend to be very low, slow and strong tone but today mandarin is of very high pitch until ang mo also called ching chong for lack of ability to pronounce the current chinese language.
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The Chinese race is actually a political creation of the Han dynasty, in which they are still known as Han Chinese today.

Before Han there was the tyrannic Qin dynasty, China's first imperial dynasty. There were 2 groups that escaped Qin, one to Japan and another down south to unknown whereabout (presumably Vietnam)

Based on the Han racial unification, Japanese are actually quite 'far', the closest cousins for the Chinese people are the North Vietnamese and North Koreans.

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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Aug 18 2013, 06:18 PM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1599405/all

An old K forummer even concurred that there was also a documentary in History Channel which said that the first explorer who later become the first emperor was from a hokkien community. Because it is a paid channel , i didnt went to search for it.
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Korean punya Claims......



China 中共 and Southern Asia were colony of Baekje, Korea 중공은 한민족 식민지



'Heukchi' means the land where people with Black Teeth live. ...The land to where the ancestors of Heukchi was sent as the governor of the land was hot humid southern land, somewhere in southern Asia




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so everyone in nippon is cainis?
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inb4, vietnamese are cantonese and champa mix.

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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Aug 18 2013, 06:18 PM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1599405/all

An old K forummer even concurred that there was also a documentary in History Channel which said that the first explorer who later become the first emperor was from a hokkien community. Because it is a paid channel , i didnt went to search for it.
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an old K forummer lol, he's your dupe lol?
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QUOTE(abccab123 @ Aug 18 2013, 06:21 PM)
They are still using chinese words to this day.Just lesser
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That said, it is really doubtful whether the first emperor of Japan was a Chinese.

If TS said the first king of the first united Vietnamese kingdom was a Chinese, that will be true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_D%C6%B0%C6...V%C6%B0%C6%A1ng

See, as mentioned, Chinese are closer to the North Vietnamese and North Koreans than Japanese.
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The monk who came to Johor 1,100 years ago


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WHEN ninth-century Japanese monk Shinnyo (Imperial Prince Takaoka (799-881) left China on Jan 27, 865, to study Buddhism in India, it did not cross his mind that his final resting place would be a province on the southern tip of the Malay peninsula.


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PRINCELY PRESENCE: A monk conducts a prayer session at the grave of Shinnyo at the Japanese Cemetery in Johor Baru. — Picture provided by the Japan Club of Johor



Although the exact location of his remains is unknown, there is a memorial headstone and shrine in honour of Shinnyo at the Japanese Cemetery in Johor Baru.

Born in 799, Prince Takaoka, as he was known at birth, was the third son of Emperor Heizei.

Although he later rose to become crown prince, Takaoka lost the designation. He then retired to become a monk in 822, taking the name Shinnyo.

Records state that while studying Buddhism in China, he decided to go to India to study the religion further and set out in 865 from Kwang Chu (probably modern-day Guangzhou).

Shinnyo, however, never reached his destination and at age 67, died in 866 in what is now Johor.

And for that reason alone, the headstone at the cemetery in Jalan Kebun Teh could be the oldest record of Japanese presence in Malaysia.

Japan Club of Johor secretary-general Nishikawa Takeshi said it was a mystery how Shinnyo ended up in Johor.

“It’s possible that he may have lost his way. Or perhaps he really did intend to stop here.

“All we know is that he never fulfilled his dream of going to India.


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HONOURING THE DEAD: A boy and his father pray and place flowers at a grave at the Japanese cemetery.


“Because of the hardship he went through, in 1970, the head monk in Shinnyo’s order honoured him with this plaque.”

According to the club’s records, the cemetery was discovered in 1962 when development work was carried out in the area.

When the land was cleared further, 80 gravestones with Japanese writing were found, most of them broken.

Takeshi also points to an order dated April 13, 1924, by the Japanese government for the local Japanese community to manage and maintain the site.

“We believe that the cemetery was started by the community because they needed a place for their deceased.

“This means that Japanese were already staying here at the time.”

Research is consistent with this notion because there are records of Japanese businesses in Johor involved in the mining, commerce and plantation industries in the 1920s.

In fact, Johor had enjoyed good relations with Japan in the 19th century when Sultan Abu Bakar visited the country in the early 1880s.

Ties, it is reported, were strengthened when his son, Sultan Ibrahim, was bestowed an award by Emperor Hirohito.

Takeshi said since 1992, the Japan Club of Johor had been receiving monetary support from the Japanese embassy in Kuala Lumpur to manage and maintain the cemetery, which is cleaned every month.

“We also hold prayer sessions to honour the deceased twice a year, usually in March and September. We invited a praymaster from Japan to do this.”


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japan came from china. so is korea.

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Kofun Period dress is a clay figure from the burial mound and see. The women's wardrobe, men are saying and hakama garment, similar to the current suit. Feature in the previous match in the ceremony, the left anterior neck strap to fit in with a single point.



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Asuka Era (645 - 710)


Asuka period, Buddhism was introduced, Tang-style clothing and textiles are used now. Both women are in short robe with long sleeves this one, there are two. The man's head is a crown of his head, the machine's claws-collar territory of wearing it long to scrap the waist, under a ceremonial skirt Yes.



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Nara Era (710 - 794)


Yoro Code introduced, Copying Tang Lu (The Tang Dynasty Code)



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Heian Era (794 - 1192)


Heian period clothing materials, silk aristocracy in the center. Hemp clothes are popular mainly in the silk is not permitted. From the era of Japanese-made climate-friendly as kimono. Women's clothes are of lesser juni-hitoe robe and beard, the wife formal costumes or costumes tone.The man was dressed.



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Kamakura period since the mid-term, on behalf amateurish way of a national dress.



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although both country has been intact for quite a long time like what ts mentioed
first batch of jap words that got influence are from sui tang, jap borrow word rather than sound from chinese hence yoroshiku like word is created., they call it wu go.

it is known that ancient chinese normally only has word but not pronunciation descended from generation to generation, hence people does not know how ancient chinese sounded like.

After tang was defeated it is believed they moved to southern region,
people from the south often call themselves tang ren. and jap word really sounded like southern china.

There are more evidence about hokkien being the official language of tang dynasty than jap borrow word and sound from fuku guy from qin dynasty.


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japanese, chinese, koreans... what's the difference?
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Tanah Malaya 1st King is from Majapahit
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The Chinese race is actually a political creation of the Han dynasty, in which they are still known as Han Chinese today.

Before Han there was the tyrannic Qin dynasty, China's first imperial dynasty. There were 2 groups that escaped Qin, one to Japan and another down south to unknown whereabout (presumably Vietnam)

Based on the Han racial unification, Japanese are actually quite 'far', the closest cousins for the Chinese people are the North Vietnamese and North Koreans.

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north tribe attack peaceful china too many time...many chinese migrate to south. like spore
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the real historian in this thread is only hangpc2 haha
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Jinmu Tenno

660 BC - 550 BC

He is Emperor of the first generation.
He coming out of Takachiho in Hyuga Land, invading to east, was enthroned in Yamato Land.
And, this year was designated as year of creation world.
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QUOTE(CeDhhVss @ Aug 18 2013, 06:36 PM)
Tanah Malaya 1st King is from Majapahit
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Majapahit tak wujud lagi Bro....
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Not at all they all originate from CHINA MANG.
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they look the same..so they have to come from the same place once upon a time..that's logic
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QUOTE(rivost @ Aug 18 2013, 06:25 PM)
That said, it is really doubtful whether the first emperor of Japan was a Chinese.

If TS said the first king of the first united Vietnamese kingdom was a Chinese, that will be true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_D%C6%B0%C6...V%C6%B0%C6%A1ng

See, as mentioned, Chinese are closer to the North Vietnamese and North Koreans than Japanese.
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Go translate and pronounce jinmu tenno to hokkien. Its exactly identical to hokkien . Shinto a religion at that time - also suggest the same outcome.

Do u study statistic and probability ??? The chances and probability that it was a coincidence is almost zero.

By the i am talking about the descendant of qin and his entourage who ran away to japan.
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hang tuah = hang too ah
hang jebat = hang chee fatt

everything also must sinicize
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an old K forummer lol, he's your dupe lol?
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Ohiko No Mikoto

He is general who serves to tenth Emperor Sujin.
He suppresses the rebellion the north, the scene which returns triumphantly is drawn in this picture.



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Nomi No Sukune

He is retainer where serves to 11th Emperor Suinin, big power having.
The scene where he holds down rasing horse in court is drawn in this picture.



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Yamato Takeru No Mikoto

He is prince of 12th Emperor Keiko, in addition was brave General.
He revolution game did the every place, but finally died of illness with Ise.




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Jingu Kogo

She is empress of 14th Emperor Chuai.
She kept attacking to Korea in place of the husband who dies.



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Takeuchi No Sukune

He is longevity very, is the minister of state where serves to the emperor of three generations.
He assisted the Empress Jingu.




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Umayado No Miko

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He is imperial child which enacts first constitution in Japan.
He erected Horyuji which is the big Buddhism temple, dispatched the messenger to the China.





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Fujiwara No Kamatari

(614-669)

He is ancestor of the Fujiwara whole group which is nobility.
He had the big achievement in Revolution of Taika.

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QUOTE(rivost @ Aug 18 2013, 05:27 PM)
we, actually everyone in asia, all know chinese/japanese/korean are related to each others, it is a fact, but then it is not much of importance now, they are 3 different people already.

just like arabs and jews, actually sharing same ancestry, but it is also not relevant now.
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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Aug 18 2013, 06:43 PM)
Go translate and pronounce jinmu tenno to hokkien. Its exactly identical to hokkien . Shinto a religion at that time - also suggest the same outcome.

Do u study statistic and probability ???  The chances and probability that it was a coincidence is almost zero.

By the i am talking about the descendant of qin and his entourage who ran away to japan.
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It was already proven in DNA test, over 60% of Japanese men share chromosomes related to Chinese, while over 50% of Japanese women do. The conclusion has to be that some from China went to Japan and interbreed with the Japanese natives there. About the first emperor, it isn't so sure though.

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Arihara No Narihira

(825-888)

He is one person inside poet and six experts of previous term of Heian era.
His poem is recorded in "Kokinshu",and model of the protagonist of the "Ise Monogatari".



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Taira No Sadamori


He is general of mid term of Heian era.
He arrested Taira no masakado of the cousin who is the entire leader of the rebel army.



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Minamoto No Yoshitsune (The First Shogun)

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He is half brother of Minamoto no Yoritomo.
The scene where that troop who exceeds the steep mountain has suddenly attacked the enemy is drawn in this picture.



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north tribe attack peaceful china too many time...many chinese migrate to south. like spore
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Arihara No Narihira

(825-888)

He is one person inside poet and six experts of previous term of Heian era.
His poem is recorded in "Kokinshu",and model of the protagonist of the "Ise Monogatari".
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Taira No Sadamori
He is general of mid term of Heian era.
He arrested Taira no masakado of the cousin who is the entire leader of the rebel army.
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Minamoto No Yoshitsune (The First Shogun)

(1159-1189)

He is half brother of Minamoto no Yoritomo.
The scene where that troop who exceeds the steep mountain has suddenly attacked the enemy is drawn in this picture.
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Tomoe Gozen


She is concubine of Minamoto no Yoshinaka.
She is the beauty, but with the power having, fought with the general of the enemy evenly.


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Sasaki Takatsuna


He is general of previous term of Kamakura era.
He riding in the horse, crossed the river, first lifted military exploit.


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Kajiwara Kagesue

(1162-1200)

He is general who is superior in the literary and military arts both road.
He had many military exploit, but with the whole group it ceased to exist with the doubt of rebellion in the General.


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Kumagaya Naozane

(1141-1208)

He is general of previous term of Kamakura era.
He grieved the general of the enemy which is arrested, knowing that it is the young person
in the same way as his own son.


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Taira no Atsumori

(1169-1184)

He went to war with 16 years old, was cut the neck by the general of the enemy.
He was the master of the flute.


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Nasu no Yoichi


He is general of previous term of Kamakura era, the master of the bow.
He while it rode in the horse entering into the sea, penetrated the Japanese fan which is the boat which floats in the distance.


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Hojo Tokimune


(1251-1284)

He is eighth regent of Kamakura shogunate.
He repulsed two degrees as many as Mongolian invasion troops.


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Morinaga Shinno

(1308-35)

He is first imperial child of Emperor Godaigo.
He is the royalty, but it participates in the rebellion war as a General,
but he was confined in Ashikaga Takauji and was murdered.


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Kusunoki Masashige

(1294-1336)

He is general of Nanbokucho era which makes guerrilla warfare proud.
As for him as for status it was low, but is relied on in the emperor,
contributes to new administration establishment.


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Kusunoki Masatsura

(1326-1348)

He is son of Kusunoki Masashige.
The scene where he divides with the father before war is written on the story "Taihei-ki".

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Minamoto No Yoshitsune (The First Shogun)

(1159-1189)

He is half brother of Minamoto no Yoritomo.
The scene where that troop who exceeds the steep mountain has suddenly attacked the enemy is drawn in this picture.
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Nitta Yoshisada

(1301-1338)

He is the general of Nanbokucho era, exhausted loyalty to the emperor to last moment.
That troop passing by the road in the sea which was opened by the power of God charged to Kamakura.


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Honma Magoshiro

He is general of Nanbokucho era, is the master of the horse.
The scene to which he has shot the arrow distantly is drawn in this picture.


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Kikuchi Takemitsu

(1319-1373)

He is general of Nanbokucho era, for Emperor with the whole group it fought in Kyushu land.
The scene which fights a decisive battle in the Chikugo river is drawn in this picture.

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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Aug 18 2013, 06:41 PM)
Majapahit tak wujud lagi Bro....
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Understand what I'm trying to say?
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The first hokkien emperror of japan , jinmu tenno

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According to mythology, Japan's first Emperor Jimmu was enthroned in the year 660 BC. While the myths are not considered historically accurate, it is a commonly accepted fact that emperors have reigned over Japan for more than 1500 years, and that they have all descended from the same imperial family.

Emperor Jimmu was the first Emperor of Japan according to the traditional order of succession and he was called was Jinmu tenno 神武天皇 in kanji. Kanji was in hokkien so it is natural that his original name would in hokkien too.

Jinmu tenno 神武天皇 - Shin bu thee ong (hokkien)

in mandarin 神 - shen
in cantonese - shan
in hokkien - shin

Not surprising too that sky god 天皇 in his royal name was pronounced phonetically after hokkien too.

In mandarin, 天皇 - tian wang
in cantonese and hakka - tin wong
in hokkien - thee o ng(a negligible slang)

Only japanese pronuciation of o is similar to the prnunciation of hokkien of ong. In hokkien the pronuciation of ong/hang/ ang is voiced as a big o followed dimly by slang of ng. Whether the latter articulation of ng is pronounced does not matter as it is just a slang. Clearly the pronuciation of jinmu tenno was in hokkien as other dialects are slightly different in intonation.

Xu fu (hok / blessed) was the the first emperor jimmu

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Emperor Qin Shihuang sent out Xu Fu. After traveling for a while on the sea, Xu Fu came back and told Emperor Qinshihuang there was a flood dragon in the water that kept him from the mountain. The emperor set out to sea by himself. When his ship came to a small island, he came across a big fish. Emperor Qinshihuang killed it and believed there would be no more obstacles on the way to the mountain. But, Xu Fu still did not bring back the immortal grass and didn't dare see the emperor again. Instead, he decided to bring the 3,000 boys and girls and the craftsmen to Japan. In the end, Xu Fu died at the foot of the Fuji Mountain.

There are many stories and historical records about Xu Fu in Japan. Some scholars speculate that Xu Fu was the legendary Jimmu Tenno. Japanese people worship him as an ancestor and there are even sites of Xu Fu's tomb, Xu Fu's palace and Xu Fu's cliff. In 1991, a park named after Xu Fu was opened in a Japanese city. People worship him every autumn and hold a grand ceremony every 50 years.

Relationship between him and qin( 秦朝) and the aryan demigods.

According to Shinto belief, Jimmu is regarded as a direct descendant of the sun goddess, Amaterasu.Amaterasu had a son called Ame no Oshihomimi no Mikoto and through him a grandson named Ninigi-no-Mikoto. She sent her grandson to the Japanese islands where he eventually married Konohana-Sakuya-hime.

Similar legends was told in the history of qin where the son of qin shi huang defected to island of penglai which is japan today and both regarded themselves as 'came from god' (shin/ jin) .  The han ji  of Qin is 秦 which basically is qin dynasty but the original form of qin before the liquidation of traditional character and introduction of simplified chinese was qin -  shin 皇 in hokkien. That means that both qin and jin/ shin in japanese were originally meant to relate to demigod race which bring its relation to the aryan that they once were before migration to the far east.

The name 'Qin' (pronounced as 'Chin') is believed to be the etymological ancestor of the modern-day European name of the country, China. The word probably made its way into the Indo-Aryan languages first as 'Cina' or 'Sina' and then into Greek and Latin as 'Sinai' or 'Thinai.It was then transliterated into English and French as 'China' and 'Chine'. This etymology is dismissed by some scholars, who suggest that 'Sina' in Sanskrit evolved much earlier before the Qin dynasty. 'Jin' (pronounced as 'Zhin').
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Dynasty

Cina - Sina - shin ah 神啊

The hokkien pronunciation of cina is sin ah which means god ah corresponds to Japanese mythology of legends that the origin of the first emperor of japan was from sun god amaterasu in which the sun god derived its existence from the aryan race of demigods as told like in bible where the demigods who were son of gods who had relations with daughters of men was punished to an earthly life !

Sinai - shin lai  神来 (came from god)

The biblical Mount Sinai (cina) was one of the most important sacred places in the Abrahamic religions where it was the moutain where God gave laws to the Israelites

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there are many historians from china and japan have doubt on xu fu as the first japan emperor, there is a big time gap
regarding to originated from hokkien, not so possible if judged by language, geographic, and culture.
an interesting findings extract here, can be translated by google
"国人关于日本第一代天皇是徐福的说法是错误的
这个说法的错误在于历史时间上的对不上号。
我们首先要在此简单的把日本国的上古历史弄清楚一下:日本列岛发现不少旧石器遗址,新石器时代遗址更多。最早居住在日本的有熊袭人和虾夷人。而古代日本人祖先的主体主要是从亚洲北部大陆和东南亚来到日本各岛后融合形成的。
日本旧石器遗址的时间定位由于那个著名造假事件,而变得扑朔迷离,在此不再详纠。单说在日本各岛主要是东部的新石器时代遗址中,大量发现的手制黑色陶器,因上面有用绳缠在陶器四周,或用绳子整形而在器具上留下绳样的花纹图案,而被称之为“绳纹文化时期”。约从公元前五千年开始,直到公元前二世纪。单就此段日本新石器时期在时间上与中国大陆的新石器时期基本同步,而非文化的发达程度。(中国大陆新石器时期约起于一万年至四千年前)
日本这段时期虽然幽远而漫长可发展缓慢,与中国大陆的文化发展速度不可同日而语。中国大陆在公元前2070年夏代立国,公元前1651年商代立国,公元前1046年西周立国。虽然西方及日本历史学界出于对中华文化的另类心理,而给中国大陆的“夏商周断代工程”贴上了一个“文化沙文主义”的“意淫标签”。并且为国内外很多的“唯西方马首是瞻,唯西方所言及是,唯西方标准为唯一准绳的西化派”所接受并大加追捧!这是由于中华文化目前与西方文化相比,处于劣势所带来的必然的文化自卑现象,在此无可厚非。
言归正题,在日本那漫长而发展缓慢的新石器时期,主要生产工具是磨制石器,日本土人过着捕鱼狩猎为生的原始公社制集体生活。贫富差别不大。直至公元前二世纪左右结束。(中国大陆此时是秦朝末年,西汉初期)
而从公元前一世纪到公元后二世纪,日本开始出现以陶轮形式制成的褐色陶器,并以西部为中心逐步向东传播。因首先发现于东京的弥生地区而被称为“弥生文化”。那时日本本土的生产工具仍然是以石器为主,并以开始出现青铜器,但因青铜太过珍贵而无法普及,只能做为奢侈的祭祀用品而存在。但那时最重要的进步是出现了农耕业,以稻米为主要农作物。开始有贫富分化,并逐步形成特权贵族阶级,原始社会自此趋于终结。( 中国大陆此时是西汉武帝末年至东汉末年)
直到公元后二世纪末年,(中国大陆三国初期)日本开始使用铁器。生产力大为提高,贫富进一步加大,剥削特权进一步完善并拱固,奴隶制开始出现,原始社会正式瓦解。但那时仍未形成完备而稳固的国家机构,只是些分布于日本列岛各地,各具有不同规模的大大小小的部落联盟。有的地方甚至仍停留在母系氏族权制时代,但因实力强大而名震一时。如九州岛北部的邪马台女王部族。
公元后三世纪后期,(中国大陆东晋十六国中后期)日本本州中部开始兴起了一个强大的部落联盟,为首部族名曰“大和”。凭借着自身强大的实力终于在公元后五世纪左右基本统一了日本。正式建立了统一的较完善的国家体系。虽然在此之时,各部落联盟之内也逐渐发展完善了各自具有国家性质的权力统冶化分,但必定不是完全统一的国家机构。大和国家的首领即称之为“天皇”。(此段时期基本上是在中国大陆的南北朝末期,公元581年大隋帝国建立)。
公元646年的日本“大化改新”,是日本奴隶制社会正式向封建制社会过渡的标志性事件。
在此啰唆了半天,只为让人先简单的把日本上中古历史时间弄明白。而国人曾广为流传的“徐福东渡,创建部族而成大和,近而统一日本,而成天皇”之说,在时间上是多么的不堪一击!也难怪日本学术界老拿这一民间拗误做为例证,而攻击我国别的许多学术研究成果,甚是让国人头疼.......
要知徐福所处年代应在公元前215年左右,这时期对应日本,是在“绳纹文化”末期。而大和部族兴起,又是在公元后三世纪末。那时徐福大师就算活着,应该是五六百岁的大仙儿了!他要真在,何止能成第一代日本天皇――-“神武天皇”!更应是日本的第一大神――“天照大神”了!!所以说,此论可笑,可笑,可笑。

徐福虽然不可能变成日本第一代天皇――-“神武天皇”。但是,对于其东渡是否到了日本,又是否对日本本土文化产生了重要影响,在现在却有些很是重要的实际例证来证明以上之说法的确实可信性。
1,在人类进化学方面发现,在日本“绳纹文化”末期与“弥生文化”初期交汇的公元前二世纪初期,日本考古界对那一时期的日本古墓葬内的古人遗骸,通过考古挖掘后发现了一个奇特现象,那一时期日本古人的平均身长短时间内有了一个大成度的猛然增高!由以九州与本州西部为甚,而后向东发展开去。然后逐渐固定而成为日本新代中古人类的平均身长。根据人类进化学说,此现象只能解释为:在此期间必有大量外族种群基因涌入并加入本地基因序列(通婚繁延),从而使此现象发生。而此段时期正好对应了徐福率三千中国大陆童男女乘船东渡的历史事件。
现代日本也有此类例证:在二战结束后,因大批日本青壮年士兵阵亡,美国对日本军事占领而带入的十余万美国青壮年军人,与当地妇女产生出极其大量的欧亚混血儿,即现代日本所称的“战后第一代”或“日本第二种族”。这些“战后第一代”所表现出的显著特点,就是身长十分明显的高于战前日本人,那欧化的外表肤色及发色就不说了。而这大量的“战后第一代”又与本代或本土人士通婚,而成的第二代第三代日本人,因欧洲基因的逐渐减少白化巳不再明显,并慢慢定型为现代日本人的平均身高与外貌。当然,战后日本的卫生营养等方面的改善也起到一定的作用。但不是决定作用。
2,在日本“弥生文化”初期开始出现的青铜制品,并没有按照一种技术从萌芽到发展再到完善兴盛这一发展轨迹。它的出现十分突然,并未发现代表青铜冶炼业的萌芽期所必然出现的一定数量的初期遗迹及制品。这只能解释为,这种技术完全是由外界传入,并主要由掌握此类技术的外族人具体操作的这一事实。而这又与日本古人身材突然增高的那一历史时期相对应。也就不难得出日本青铜文化与大陆文明传入有着最直接关系的结论。
3,第三种说法则是疑问型的,即“大和”部族的兴起之谜。那一时期“大和”部族明显高于同时期其它部族的统治文化,生产能力及其明显有驳于日本人口自然分布规律的繁盛人口(兵源),又有一种祖先部族由西向东迁移而最终到达现在兴起地的传说的例子,均使得“大和”部族能在那时脱颖而出异军突起,进而凭之统一天下的历史事实充满了神秘主义色彩.也就因此有了“大和”部族的兴起至少是受到强大外力支持或加盟的结果,这一说法.那么那强大外力的支持或加盟者,是否就是由当初徐福所率领的中国大陆遗族呢?谁也说不好.但是,如果徐福所率领的中国大陆移民团真正到达了日本,那么凭借着其当时自身先进的文化技能,身形体能及众多人数等方面的优势,必然会形成一个明显优于其它本土部落文明的团体.其发展也必定会对当时的日本本土社会产生重大影响.
在此的说明,并不是要炫耀本国祖先的功劳,而是单就某个历史问题阐述自己的观点.如有不对的地方希望大家多加指正."



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so, naruto exists in which period?
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Ota Dokan

(1432-1486)

He is general of the latter term of Muromachi era, the Edo castle was built in 1457.
The scene where he has requested taking shelter from the rain to the woman is drawn in this picture.


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Takeda Shingen

(1521-73)

He is Daimyo of the age of civil wars, effort was put into also flood control project.
He went to war for the fighting with Nobunaga Oda, but he in the road died at Mt. Fuji neighborhood.



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Kato Kiyomasa

(1562-1611)

He is the general of the subordinate of Toyotomi Hideyoshi,
the one person among seven of battle in Shizugatake swayed and participated.
He could resound bravery greatly even at the time of the war in Korea.


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Date Masamune

(1567-1636)

He lost the one eye time of the child, but became the brave general.
The scene where he fights at the Suriagegahara plain is drawn in this picture.


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Yamanouchi Kazutoyo's Wife

(1557-1617)

Yamanouchi Kazutoyo which is her husband is the general of the subordinate of Oda Nobunaga.
The woman bought the splendid horse because of reputation of the husband.


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Tokugawa Ieyasu

(1542-1616)

He opened Edo shogunate, peace of 265 years established age.
In this picture him of old age, the scene which takes the field in the last war in Osaka is drawn.


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Honda Tadakatsu

(1548-1610)

He is early Daimyo of the Edo era, Tokugawa most the one person among four great generals
who are made depending.
He was not injured at the time of fighting of 57 degrees almost.


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Ii Naomasa

(1561-1602)

He is early Daimyo of the Edo era, Tokugawa most the one person among four great generals
who are made depending.
That brave troop attaching the everyone red armor, fought as a spearhead always.

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there is also sayings that japanese are from a fleet of people where emperor Qin send out to find "immortal pill"
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And that guy is Xu Fu. Written in TS article.

There is a Xu Fu temple near Nara if I remember correctly.
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Tokugawa Iemitsu

(1604-1651)

He is third General of Edo shogunate.
He assisted in erection of Yasaki Inari shrine and Asakusa Sanjyu-Sangendo.


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Tokugawa Mitsukuni

(1628-1700)

He is famous as a "Mito Komon" of alias.
He compiled the Japanese historical book.


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Abe Tadaaki

(1602-1675)

He is Daimyo of previous term of Edo era, served to Tokugawa Iemitsu.
The scene which crosses Sumida river of the flood with the horse is drawn in this picture.


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Magaki Heikuro

He riding in the horse, climbed the urgent stairway of the shrine and got off.
He is the one person among three equestrian experts of that time.


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Oyama Iwao

(1842-1916)

He is marshal of Meiji era.
After the Meiji restoration, he researched the soldier system of each country,
in the China-Japanese War war and the Russo-Japanese War served the commander.
The scene where that troop enters into a fortress to Fengtien is drawn in this picture.


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Nogi Maresuke

(1849-1912)

He the General of Meiji era, in the Russo-Japanese War was the tri-service commander.
Their married couples committed suicide in the day when Emperor Meiji dies.


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Yusa Kohei

(1883-1966)

He contributed greatly in development of the Japanese modern equestrian.


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Kaneko Yurin

(1886-1980)

He endeavored in equestrian and bow technique of the Japanese tradition and succession of fencing.
He announced equestrian at the shrine of the every place in Japan, endeavored to the spread of horseback archery.




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why must always start with Qin dynasty? there's Shang Dynasty (1600 B.C-1046 B.C) long time before the Qin


Shang Dynasty artifacts

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And satay haji samuri is from japan bcoz the actual pronouns is samurai.
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bro hangpc, the "wa" 倭 is actually a term with degrading means.
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Immigrant clans




Chinese




- Hata clan (秦氏) - descended from Prince Yuzuki no Kimi, a descendant of Emperor Qin Shi Huang of the Chinese Qin Dynasty.

- Kawachi no Aya clan (西漢氏)

- Kawachi no Fumi clan (西文氏) - descended from the scholar Wani, ultimately from Emperor Gaozu of the Chinese Han Dynasty.

- Koremune clan (惟宗氏) - lateral branch of the Hata clan, descended from Prince Kōman-Ō of the Chinese Qin Dynasty.

- Ōkura clan (大蔵氏) - a branch of the Yamato no Aya clan.

- Ōtomo clan (大友氏) - descended from Chinese immigrants; no direct relation to the native Ōtomo clan (大伴氏) or feudal Ōtomo clan (大友氏).

- Takamuko clan - descended from Emperor Wen of the Chinese Cao Wei Dynasty; famous for Takamuko no Kuromaro.

- Yamato no Aya clan (東漢氏) - descended from Prince Achi no Omi, a great-grandchild of Emperor Ling of Han of the Chinese Han Dynasty.

- Yamato no Fumi clan (東文氏) - possibly a branch of the Yamato no Aya clan.




Korean



- Kikuchi clan (菊池氏) - descended from Seong of Baekje.







http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_clans

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QUOTE(mirage2000 @ Aug 18 2013, 07:19 PM)
why must always start with Qin dynasty? there's Shang Dynasty (1600 B.C-1046 B.C) long time before the Qin
Shang Dynasty artifacts

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that's copper era products
however, copper era turned out in japan quite LATE & it looked like turned out "suddenly"(in short period)
that let people bridged up the xu fu and jap 1st emperor story but it has a big time gap of 500-800 yrs
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we come from one parent adam....everyone can claim that
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QUOTE(FLampard @ Aug 18 2013, 07:29 PM)
bro hangpc, the "wa" 倭 is actually a term with degrading means.
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倭 Wō / Wa = Japanese or '' dwarfs ''
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that's copper era products
however, copper era turned out in japan quite LATE & it looked like turned out "suddenly"(in short period)
that let people bridged up the xu fu and jap 1st emperor story but it has a big time gap of 500-800 yrs
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that's bronze not copper
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I'm no longer surprise by things in life once I realized Hang Tuah is actually Chinese.
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Hang tuah 王大 - big king LOL

Even u translated it to mandarin, cantonese or hakka, u know that the name is in chinese dialect.
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QUOTE(fahmi9206 @ Aug 18 2013, 07:39 PM)
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that's bronze not copper
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certain people don't like this thread because all they can derive heckline theory from is from indonesia. hahahah
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there are many historians from china and japan have doubt on xu fu as the first japan emperor, there is a big time gap
regarding to originated from hokkien, not so possible if judged by language, geographic, and culture.
an interesting findings extract here, can be translated by google
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It is nothing new that qin emperor always suggested themselves as god's sun 神 but the qin character of 秦 does not bring any meaning except for qin dynasty. It is clearly changed during later period of communist or manchu era.

However if qin is changed to shin 神 in hokkien , it coincided with japanese mythology of first emperor who was the first son of qin shi huang.

Jenmu tenno is pronounced in 95% accuracy in hokkien and shinto which was their religion during that time also suggested similar outcomes.

Discrepancies between japanese and qin records were very normal as during that time , countries were at civil wars and there were bound to be inaccuracies but the names that were left in history are clear evidence of my allegations. At that time it was very possible that the first emperor of japan was immortalized as gods so people told stories of his long life thought out which explained for the differences in timeline of both countries and bear in minds japanese dont like to be associate with chinese because of the influence and descendant of mongols in china today so they might change the history to sever connection with china, just like taiwanese who dont like to be called chinese for obvious political reasons.

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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Aug 18 2013, 07:44 PM)
Hang tuah 王大 - big king LOL

Even u translated it to mandarin, cantonese or hakka, u know that the name is in chinese dialect.
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Han tu also sounds like! tongue.gif

japanese language seriously affected by tang dynasty, historians also claimed that cantonese is very closed to the tang dynasty language because pronounce those poems in that dynasty with cantonese is much better than other dialects in accent, tones, rhythm,etc.

so should also crown it is doped with cantonese pronounciation. indeed, some jap pronunciation resembles a few dialects including chinese pu tong hua.

japanese appearance look like northern chinese face, like shangdong, quite unlike hokkien(southern chinese appeaance).
from geographical distance, shangdong is much closer than hokkien.

looking at the ship technology at that period, chance to cross the sea and reach japan was quite risky voyage.

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QUOTE(yandebunena @ Aug 18 2013, 05:03 PM)
many japanese words pronounce same with hokkien
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Ya even korean with hakka.
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Ya even korean with hakka.
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QUOTE(ectt @ Aug 18 2013, 08:01 PM)
Han tu also sounds like! tongue.gif

japanese language seriously affected by tang dynasty, historians also claimed that cantonese is very closed to the tang dynasty language because pronounce those poems in that dynasty with cantonese is much better than other dialects in accent, tones, rhythm,etc.

so should also crown it is doped with cantonese pronounciation. indeed, some jap pronunciation resembles a few dialects including chinese pu tong hua.

japanese appearance look like northern chinese face, like shangdong, quite unlike hokkien(southern chinese appeaance).
from geographical distance, shangdong is much closer than hokkien.

looking at the ship technology at that period, chance to cross the sea and reach japan was quite risky voyage.
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Tang - also hokkien. That is why a lot of Lee could speak hokkien too. Korean lee suggests that they are heavily influenced by hokkien.

Thng lang are associated with hokkien in nanyang but china chinese dont know anything abit it.

Hokkien today are heavy intermixed by indigenous groups such as minnan , thereby look darker today. Imagine almost the whole population of indigenous group in china assimilated into the master race.

Tang influence on japan is culturally only. Language, structure of house, ancestry, qin and han more significant because capital of tang was also in chang an.

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It's common knowledge that those sepet yellow japanese came from mainland what.

Nothing to kecoh about pon.
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QUOTE(ectt @ Aug 18 2013, 08:24 PM)
some like hainanese and teochew too
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do you know 1st Chinese emperor was malay?
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kanji words are all chinese words la.

actually tibet, china, korea, japan is all chinese descendant.
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so arnd which year they escaped china? n cn go japan n create a language n culture totally diff frm their ancestral china
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Immigrant clans
Chinese
- Hata clan (秦氏) - descended from Prince Yuzuki no Kimi, a descendant of Emperor Qin Shi Huang of the Chinese Qin Dynasty.

- Kawachi no Aya clan (西漢氏)

- Kawachi no Fumi clan (西文氏) - descended from the scholar Wani, ultimately from Emperor Gaozu of the Chinese Han Dynasty.

- Koremune clan (惟宗氏) - lateral branch of the Hata clan, descended from Prince Kōman-Ō of the Chinese Qin Dynasty.

- Ōkura clan (大蔵氏) - a branch of the Yamato no Aya clan.

- Ōtomo clan (大友氏) - descended from Chinese immigrants; no direct relation to the native Ōtomo clan (大伴氏) or feudal Ōtomo clan (大友氏).

- Takamuko clan - descended from Emperor Wen of the Chinese Cao Wei Dynasty; famous for Takamuko no Kuromaro.

- Yamato no Aya clan (東漢氏) - descended from Prince Achi no Omi, a great-grandchild of Emperor Ling of Han of the Chinese Han Dynasty.

- Yamato no Fumi clan (東文氏) - possibly a branch of the Yamato no Aya clan.
Korean
- Kikuchi clan (菊池氏) - descended from Seong of Baekje.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_clans
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Actually there are more that , just unrecorded. Even yang gui fei , the famous beauty of china was disputably migrated to japan after the fall of tang dynasty.

After the fall of ming , there were immigrants who went to japan to seek refuge.

Cantonese movie which was based on the literature of late ming recorded that han cina went to japan too.

In short, cina/ han made up the majority of japanese today, just that they didnt identify themselves.




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Signpost in Sennyu-ji temple, Kyoto

Lady Yang’s story is also popular in Japan where she is known as Yōkihi. The Japanese believed that she did not die in Mawei but had escaped to Japan and even have a tomb to prove it. In the Sennyu-Ji Temple, 泉涌寺, a Buddhist monastery in Kyoto, they claim to have a Guanyin, 杨贵妃观音, carved in the image of Lady Yang.

In 2002, the popular Japanese star, Yamaguchi Momoe, 山口百惠claimed that she was a descendent of Lady Yang.

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language is never a solid proof of anything you said here. Its like saying the king of england has german roots because the germanics expansion to britain.
I could say one of the kings of korea is from india so south korea belongs to india, legit meh?
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QUOTE(yandebunena @ Aug 18 2013, 05:03 PM)
many japanese words pronounce same with hokkien
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how do you say "yes" in japanese and cantonese?
how do you say "teacher" in japanese and cantonese? sin sang or sin seh?

inb4 everyone anti japanese because of proponganda nanking..



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how do you say "yes" in japanese and cantonese?
how do you say "teacher" in japanese and cantonese? sin sang or sin seh?

inb4 everyone anti japanese because of proponganda nanking..
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Hokkien and japanese are more similar.

hokkien - sin seh
japanese sin sei
even the numbering system is more similar to hokkien rather than cantonese.

Cantonese, hakka and mandarin are created to sound after hokkien.
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this tered driving me crazy.

what's there to being captain obvious telling everybody OH JAP LANGUAGE IS SIMILAR TO MASTERRACE LANGUAGE.

We all know there are history between masterraceS.

Even Kimchi has Hanja, Japanese has Kanji.
It's all about history.

Banggala TS even Kimchi JAV using your characters.
And some of them sounds HOKKIEN lagi rclxms.gif
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Hokkien and japanese are more similar.

hokkien - sin seh
japanese sin sei
even the numbering system is more similar to hokkien rather than cantonese.

Cantonese, hakka and mandarin are created to sound after hokkien.
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Hokkien lang is the master of masterrace brows.gif
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so everyone in nippon is cainis?
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so everyone in nippon is cainis?
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The "sound" reading for kanji is the approximation of the chinese reading of hanzi when the characters were imported from china somewhere around the 5th century. Chinese was the writing system used before the japanese had their own writing system. Early japanese literary works like the Kojiki is one such example where it is written in ancient chinese characters.

Therefore, the fact that something in ancient japan sounds "hokkien" or "cantonese" does not necessarily really mean it is chinese or from china.


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Its always old version chinese vs new version chinese.
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you can go on 2chan and see what they think of your so-called "facts"
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u should understand they dont not like to associate with mainland for obvious political reasons just like taiwanese duh.

The mainland chinese decimated and oblierated a lot of han during the great mongol, manchu and communist era and the japanese invasion was retaliation against the traitors. It seems like u know nothing about history of asia.



taiwan and japan under one umbrella.

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u should understand they dont not like to associate with mainland for obvious political reasons just like taiwanese duh.

The mainland chinese decimated and oblierated a lot of han during the great mongol, manchu and communist era and the japanese invasion was retaliation against the traitors. It seems like u know nothing about history of asia.



taiwan and japan under one umbrella.
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there is one important role if linked the relationship between taiwan and japan, that is

Okinawa
冲绳

they don't claim themselves as japanese because jap army slaughtered them before ww2
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Tankerbell just received his new supply of LSD I see...
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nothing wrong to discuss the history, actually it's quite interesting to learn more.

the problem is japan govt refused to accept the war truth and mistakes made, so they intentionally changed the history books that will lead to more misconception to the future or should say even now! they still have the "lucky" sense to mask out the facts they don't want to confront.

current japanese royal family are not the descendant of xu fu but one of them claimed they are.

believe him, if god father relationship also count as descendant sweat.gif
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there is one important role if linked the relationship between taiwan and japan, that is

Okinawa
冲绳

they don't claim themselves as japanese because jap army slaughtered them before ww2
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Okinawan were not ethnically related to japanese race. Japanese policy adopted legalism similar to qin which is based on strict laws and orders.

During ww2, whoever betrayed and disobeyed cina were punished whether they were han/cina wearing qi pao or ma gua because most likely they betrayed the han by opening doors to the Manchurian which caused hundred of million of death. Wearing the clothes at that time showed which side they were on.

Han comprised the majority but refused to retaliate the authoritarian rule and instead bowed down to Manchurian which was sign of betrayal. U should understand it a warrior code of conduct.

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Okinawan were not ethnically related to japanese race. Japanese policy adopted legalism similar to qin which is based on strict laws.

During ww2, whoever betrayed and disobeyed cina were punished whether they were han/cina wearing qi pao or ma gua because most likely they betrayed the han race by opening doors to the Manchurian which caused hundred of million of death. Wearing the clothes at that time showed which side they were on.

Han comprised the majority but refused to retaliate the authoritarian rule and instead bowed down to Manchurian which was sign of traitors. U should understand it a warrior code of conduct.
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there were at least 150,000 or more okinawan slaughtered before the end of ww2, jap emperor sent troops there to occupy and killed so many Okinawan just because they wore Han clothes? wondering there is military and political reason.

if Okinawa is isolated from japan, taiwan and other island issues can be unknot very easy to China! Okinawa recently also raise voice and emotionally hot to be independent!


few fishy questions here?
why japan emperor sent troops to slaugther Okinawan massively just before they surrendered in ww2? timing is fishy.
why japan didn't allow the US army stationed in other part of japan? but let them station and set up base in Okinawa after ww2? even now jap govt seems unwilling or not willing to put much effort to develop the economy there, many young okinawan have no jobs there and need to find jobs elsewhere in japan; geographically and climate sense, Okinawa is quite a good location. notworthy.gif
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mount sinai = chinese

damn, everything with any word in any language that has even the slightest sound as 'china' must be from china then lol
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Aug 18 2013, 11:30 PM)
mount sinai = chinese

damn, everything with any word in any language that has even the slightest sound as 'china' must be from china then lol
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thinking the similar person now:

xu fu's role to japan

similar to

Zhenghe's role to Malaysia/Indonesia hmm.gif


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looks like Shih Huang Ti troll us mang. quite shocked to know this.
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QUOTE(ectt @ Aug 18 2013, 11:25 PM)
there were at least 150,000 or more okinawan  slaughtered before the end of ww2, jap emperor sent troops there to occupy and killed so many Okinawan just because they wore Han clothes? wondering there is military and political reason.

if Okinawa is isolated from japan, taiwan and other island issues can be unknot very easy to China! Okinawa recently also raise voice and emotionally hot to be independent!
few fishy questions here?
why japan emperor sent troops to slaugther Okinawan massively  just before they surrendered in ww2? timing is fishy.
why japan didn't allow the US army stationed in other part of japan? but let them station and set up base in Okinawa after ww2? even now jap govt seems unwilling or not willing to put much effort to develop the economy there, many young okinawan have no jobs there and need to find jobs elsewhere in japan; geographically and climate sense, Okinawa is quite a good location.  notworthy.gif
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i am not sure about Okinawan history but manchurian obliterated millions of people and han who wore qi pao and ma gua were not innocent . They were responsible for war crime more serious than the japanese. The size of casualty during manchurian, pre communist and cultural revolution were way more horrible in size than japanese.

The reason japanese captured the emperor puyi was to put him in hostage and stop the soldiers to stop killing han but knowing the the machurians influence were at horizon, the soldiers refused to obey the order of Puyi because he was forced to abort the mission by the japanese so at last resort, japanese had to use the most cruel method , that was to kill anyone who refused to obey their orders and most targeted were people who wore qi pao and ma gua. Japanese too wanted to do it in an easier way which was to ask soldiers to give up but the even the capture of Puyi was futile.

Anyway, not interested to talk about it now.

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Whether the latter articulation of ng is pronounced does not matter as it is just a slang.
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looks like Shih Huang Ti troll us mang. quite shocked to know this.
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His son was jinmu tenno . He was afraid to come back. failing the mission to acquire elixir of immortality, he would be decapitated.
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What i mean is o take precedence while ng is dimly pronounced. That was how o ng is pronounced in ancient time.
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thinking the similar person now:

xu fu's role to japan

similar to

Zhenghe's role to Malaysia/Indonesia hmm.gif
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unless xu fu lived for 500 years, he's probably not
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unless xu fu lived for 500 years, he's probably not
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He was immortalized as demigods so its not surprised that people brought him to 'life' through time and mentioned his existence frequently.
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His son was jinmu tenno . He was afraid to come back. failing the mission to acquire elixir of immortality, he would be decapitated.
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jinmu? sound like one name of ancient korean king. but for me not really like to learn japanese or chinese history, too complicated
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QUOTE(kamfoo @ Aug 18 2013, 11:49 PM)
xu fu found the medicine live forever
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He was immortalized as demigods so its not surprised that people brought him to 'life' through time and mentioned his existence frequently.
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ectt suka Uchiha Itachi rupa-rupanya tongue.gif

sejahat-jahat Uchiha Itachi.. dia sebenarnya masih amat sayangkan adik dia sendiri


ectt pernah kata dia dari Taiwan, wilayah yang majoritinya adalah hokkien..

kalau ikut sejarah asal Melayu dari Tambo Minangkabau.. keturunan lebih atas dari Melayu moden sekarang.. dimana permulaan wujudnya kata empayar malayapura bermaksud kerajaan Melayu, kemudian menjadi Malaya Raya dan sekarang Malaysia (semua pun maksud dia sama)

dinyatakan dengan amat jelas bahawa Melayu, Cina (kemungkinan besar merujuk kepada mereka yang berbangsa hokkien, muka pun cam lebih kurang dengan jepun), Jepun adalah adik-beradik sebelum berpisah dan bina empayar mereka sendiri.. semua pun dari keturunan diraja Iskandar Zulkarnain (atau apa yang omputih cakap Alexander The Great)

dulu masa zaman kesultanan melayu melaka, keturunan diraja dari cina terutamanya hokkien dinasti Ming diajak khas oleh sultan melaka dan diberi tanah khas untuk mereka.

zaman melayu johor pegang empayar melayu pula, keturunan samurai tokugawa diajak khas oleh kesultanan melayu untuk serang markas utama british commonweath di singapura.. serang british dari dalam istana johor sendiri bersama tentera diraja jepun dulu.. mereka ini pun diberi tanah istimewa juga oleh kesultanan melayu johor dulu.


... kalau korang ada kesempatan dan masa terluang, sila lawat Muzium Adat di Jelebu, Negeri Sembilan (kampung keluarga atas aku) dan istana seri menanti di Kuala Pilah, Negeri Sembilan untuk penerangan lebih lanjut.. nenek aku sendiri pun ada hadiahkan barang-barang kepada muzium tu... nenek aku keturunan diraja empayar melayu silam di jambi, bumi melayu (sekarang di sumatera, bawah indon).. sebelum wujudnya kerajaan pagar ruyung lagi..

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QUOTE(empyreal @ Aug 18 2013, 11:48 PM)
unless xu fu lived for 500 years, he's probably not
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that's the point many historians claimed.

lucky that zhenghe didn't leave much effect on the language in S.E asia or the smiliar argument will come back like xu fu is the shin wu tian huang doh.gif
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QUOTE(king of fighter @ Aug 18 2013, 11:53 PM)
ectt suka Uchiha Itachi rupa-rupanya  tongue.gif

sejahat-jahat Uchiha Itachi.. dia sebenarnya masih amat sayangkan adik dia sendiri


ectt pernah kata dia dari Taiwan, wilayah yang majoritinya adalah hokkien..

kalau ikut sejarah asal Melayu dari Tambo Minangkabau.. keturunan lebih atas dari Melayu moden sekarang.. dimana permulaan wujudnya kata empayar malayapura bermaksud kerajaan Melayu, kemudian menjadi Malaya Raya dan sekarang Malaysia (semua pun maksud dia sama)

dinyatakan dengan amat jelas bahawa Melayu, Cina (kemungkinan besar merujuk kepada mereka yang berbangsa hokkien, muka pun cam lebih kurang dengan jepun), Jepun adalah adik-beradik sebelum berpisah dan bina empayar mereka sendiri.. semua pun dari keturunan diraja Iskandar Zulkarnain (atau apa yang omputih cakap Alexander The Great)

dulu masa zaman kesultanan melayu melaka, keturunan diraja dari cina terutamanya hokkien dinasti Ming diajak khas oleh sultan melaka dan diberi tanah khas untuk mereka.

zaman melayu johor pegang empayar melayu pula, keturunan samurai tokugawa diajak khas oleh kesultanan melayu untuk serang markas utama british commonweath di singapura.. serang british dari dalam istana johor sendiri bersama tentera diraja jepun dulu.. mereka ini pun diberi tanah istimewa juga oleh kesultanan melayu johor dulu.
... kalau korang ada kesempatan dan masa terluang, sila lawat Muzium Adat di Jelebu, Negeri Sembilan (kampung keluarga atas aku) dan istana seri menanti di Kuala Pilah, Negeri Sembilan untuk penerangan lebih lanjut.. nenek aku sendiri pun ada hadiahkan barang-barang kepada muzium tu... nenek aku keturunan diraja empayar melayu silam di jambi, bumi melayu (sekarang di sumatera, bawah indon).. sebelum wujudnya kerajaan pagar ruyung lagi..
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QUOTE(ectt @ Aug 18 2013, 11:54 PM)
that's the point many historians claimed.

lucky that zhenghe didn't leave much effect on the language in S.E asia or the smiliar argument will come back like xu fu is the shin wu tian huang doh.gif
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the transmission of language doesnt come from one encounter - it comes from repeated interactions over a long period of time. the chinese did leave a lot of linguistical contributions to the se asian languages, but with the repeated interactions by traders.


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the transmission of language doesnt come from one encounter - it comes from repeated interactions over a long period of time. the chinese did leave a lot of linguistical contributions to the se asian languages, but with the repeated interactions by traders.
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Xu Fu's achievements in reaching Japan by sea show the ancient Chinese people had a good mastery of the technologies and knowledge on oceangoing navigation. Today, Xu Fu's tomb can still be found in Wakayama (Japan), with the inscription of "Tomb of Xu Fu of the Qin Dynasty (221-206BC)."

Japanese people worship him as an ancestor and there are even sites of Xu Fu's tomb, Xu Fu's palace and Xu Fu's cliff. In 1991, a park named after Xu Fu was opened in a Japanese city. People worship him every autumn and hold a grand ceremony every 50 years


linguistic influence ?? The whole tomb is still there and japanese people still worships him as their ancestor(not god) to this day.

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[B]Rebellions Against the Qing Dynasty[/B]
Qing soldiers After the Ming Dynasty collapsed, the emperor and his court fled to southern China, where they hoped to regroup and drive the barbarian Manchus from the country. One of the most successful rebellions against the Manchus was led by a half-Japanese warrior pirate named Koxinga who had befriended a Ming prince.

Koxinga commanded a fighting force of 8,000 war junks, 240,000 Ming warriors and 500,000 South China Sea pirates. His warriors—who reportedly had to lift a 600 pound stone lion before they were recruited—fought with iron masks and used long swords to maim cavalry horses. Although he failed to overthrow the Manchus, he was successful in driving the Dutch from Taiwan, and for this he is regarded as a national hero.

Mafia-like Chinese triads, which now rule much of the heroin trade out of east Asia and control organized crime in Hong Kong, descend from secret societies established to fight he Manchus.

Source:http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=57

Tankerbell, you always mention that Japan invaded China during WW2 because they want to help to revive Ming Dynasty but I think they want to fulfill their ambition to set up their own empirie. Can you please provide some sources of your theories?
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Xu Fu's achievements in reaching Japan by sea show the ancient Chinese people had a good mastery of the technologies and knowledge on oceangoing navigation. Today, Xu Fu's tomb can still be found in Wakayama (Japan), with the inscription of "Tomb of Xu Fu of the Qin Dynasty (221-206BC)."

Japanese people worship him as an ancestor and there are even sites of Xu Fu's tomb, Xu Fu's palace and Xu Fu's cliff. In 1991, a park named after Xu Fu was opened in a Japanese city. People worship him every autumn and hold a grand ceremony every 50 years
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as far as i know, the temples are to commemorate his introduction of new farming techniques, including silk, as a 'god of silk'.

the jomon existed thousands of years before xu fu. xu fu may have arrived in japan - but if he wants to be the ancestor to the japanese he'd need to have come to japan much much much earlier
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QUOTE(ectt @ Aug 18 2013, 11:09 PM)
nothing wrong to discuss the history, actually it's quite interesting to learn more.

the problem is japan govt refused to accept the war truth and mistakes made, so they intentionally changed the history books that will lead to more misconception to the future or should say even now! they still have the "lucky" sense to mask out the facts they don't want to confront.

current japanese royal family are not the descendant of xu fu but one of them claimed they are.

believe him, if god father relationship also count as descendant sweat.gif
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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Aug 19 2013, 12:03 AM)
Xu Fu's achievements in reaching Japan by sea show the ancient Chinese people had a good mastery of the technologies and knowledge on oceangoing navigation. Today, Xu Fu's tomb can still be found in Wakayama (Japan), with the inscription of "Tomb of Xu Fu of the Qin Dynasty (221-206BC)."

Japanese people worship him as an ancestor and there are even sites of Xu Fu's tomb, Xu Fu's palace and Xu Fu's cliff. In 1991, a park named after Xu Fu was opened in a Japanese city. People worship him every autumn and hold a grand ceremony every 50 years
language influence ??
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need carbon dating and gene verification to testify. but many scientists and historian found that japanese original traits and genes are usually short in height. by tracing back their gene change period, it proved that there is reason to support they mated with foreigners(not orginal japanese) and make the gene changed in short period. but it couldn't be xu fu landing period!


in ancient chinese history, followers like family servants may also name the same surname as master, is it possible part of these 3000 followers adopted xu fu's name to extend his effect on that era like god to primitive japanese; so later japanese praised him like god. hmm.gif



there is a saying that xu fu landed in Guan too.

could be one of the ship lost way and drifted there.


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ectt bukan dari malaysia la wehh

taiwan dan jepun dah macam adik-beradik.. lambang bunga kebanggaan diaorang pun macam lebih kurang dah
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lambang bunga malaysia pula bunga raya pula sebijik sama dengan wilayah ryukyu di jepun punya bunga..
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lambang bunga rasmi okinawa di jepun adalah bunga raya.. sebijik sama dengan Malaysia


kalau pergi wilayah Okinawa, Ryukyu, Jepun.. tunjuk pada diaorang duit syiling Malaysia..
mesti diaorang akan tanya apsal Malaysia pun pakai lambang bunga raya juga macam bunga kebanggaan diaorang..

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japanese like hokkien...........

should be due to the ming dynasty japanese pivates(incl govt) ripped the china coastal line, especially fu jian province.

they need to understand or probe the situation in coastal line before they landed, so it could be the reason they mingled with hokkien, and the hokkien language mixed with japanese.

so TS will have the conclusion jap first emperor is hokkien.

old japanese language content was not rich or well developed like nowadays.


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Jews was also hokkien
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Don't know how much of these are based on actual fact but it isn't that hard to believe that the hokkiens influenced other cultures seeing as how fujian is a coastal province
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negara taiwan yang majoriti dia adalah hokkien pakai lambang bunga kebanggaan diaorang sebijik sama dengan negara jepun.. apa yang lebih dikenali sebagai bunga sakura.

malaysia dan wilayah okinawa, ryukyu di jepun pakai lambang bunga kebanggaan yang sebijik sama iaitu bunga raya.
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QUOTE(ectt @ Aug 19 2013, 12:29 AM)
japanese like hokkien...........

should be due to the ming dynasty japanese pivates(incl govt) ripped the china coastal line, especially fu jian province.

they need to understand or probe the situation in coastal line before they landed, so it could be the reason they mingled with hokkien, and the hokkien language mixed with japanese.

so TS will have the conclusion jap first emperor is hokkien.

old japanese language content was not rich or well developed like nowadays.
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You sound legit, I buy your theory. Tankerbell tends to romantasize his theory.
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QUOTE(ectt @ Aug 19 2013, 12:29 AM)
japanese like hokkien...........

should be due to the ming dynasty japanese pivates(incl govt) ripped the china coastal line, especially fu jian province.

they need to understand or probe the situation in coastal line before they landed, so it could be the reason they mingled with hokkien, and the hokkien language mixed with japanese.

so TS will have the conclusion jap first emperor is hokkien.

old japanese language content was not rich or well developed like nowadays.
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based on scientific research..
what Malay ancient book Tambo Minangkabau and Sulalatus Salatin said about the origin of malay, chinese and japanese is somehow true..
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"Thus, it is relevant that in a study published just this week in the influential journal Science, the Han Chinese (and other East Asians) have been shown to have originally come from Southeast Asia. Instead of being natives of China, the Han Chinese were in fact immigrants who descended from mainland and island Southeast Asia, the latter historically known as the Malay Archipelago."

This recent study is massive and involved a 40-institution, multi-national (though largely Asian) research team that sampled DNA from over 70 populations throughout Asia. The paper used genetic markers called single-nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) which are differences in the chemical ‘lettering’ of DNA, in order to infer patterns of ancestry. And whilst the techniques used were esoteric, this collective pan-Asian effort had an aim close to everyone’s hearts: to recover the lost memory of where we came from.

its full research (in .pdf format) : https://yentown.us/wp-content/uploads/137/1.pdf
brief explanation of the research : http://humpopgenfudan.cn/p/A/A1.pdf

research done by

1) Chinese National Human Genome Center, Shanghai, CHINA
2) Institute of Genomics and Integrative Biology, New Delhi,
3) University of Tokyo, JAPAN
4) Center for Genome Science, Korea National Institute of Health, Seoul, KOREA
5) Universiti Sains Malaysia, Kubang Kerian, Kelantan, MALAYSIA
6) Genome Institute of SINGAPORE
7) Institute of Biomedical Sciences, Academia Sinica, Taipei, TAIWAN
8) Affymetrix, Inc. USA

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QUOTE(empyreal @ Aug 19 2013, 12:09 AM)
as far as i know, the temples are to commemorate his introduction of new farming techniques, including silk, as a 'god of silk'.

the jomon existed thousands of years before xu fu. xu fu may have arrived in japan - but if he wants to be the ancestor to the japanese he'd need to have come to japan much much much earlier
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It is highly believed that jomon were teo chew goh/ wu . Wu/ goh played a major role in the han dynasty too and both coexisted happily together and there is no issue between them.

They are like one happy family today.

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QUOTE(king of fighter @ Aug 19 2013, 12:39 AM)
negara taiwan yang majoriti dia adalah hokkien pakai lambang bunga kebanggaan diaorang sebijik sama dengan negara jepun.. apa yang lebih dikenali sebagai bunga sakura.

malaysia dan wilayah okinawa, ryukyu di jepun pakai lambang bunga kebanggaan yang sebijik sama iaitu bunga raya.
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Taiwan's national flower is Plum Blossom and Japan's national flower is Cherry Blossom. They are different.
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Taiwan's national flower is Plum Blossom and Japan's national flower is Cherry Blossom.  They are different.
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bukan Taiwan's national flower name is known as Japanese Apricot ??

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in ancient chinese history, followers like family servants may also name the same surname as master, is it possible part of these 3000 followers adopted xu fu's name to extend his effect on that era like god to primitive japanese; so later japanese praised him like god.  hmm.gif

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Treating people politely is inherently the basis of qin and han culture. Even he/she doesnt like the person , friendly treatment is expected. Seriously u dont know it ? Were u under extreme influence of communism ?

Japanese worshiped xu fu as their ancestors or lineage, not as god wtf doh.gif

How do u explain that his name was in hokkien ???? U wana tell me he watched television or learned it from the internet ??? There should be an entourage from mainland that transferred the language, culture and technological knowledge to japan.

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bukan Taiwan's national flower name is known as Japanese Apricot ??
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Plum Blossom is the flower and Japanese apricot or Chinese plum is the fruit.
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[B]Rebellions Against the Qing Dynasty[/B]
Qing soldiers After the Ming Dynasty collapsed, the emperor and his court fled to southern China, where they hoped to regroup and drive the barbarian Manchus from the country. One of the most successful rebellions against the Manchus was led by a half-Japanese warrior pirate named Koxinga who had befriended a Ming prince.

Koxinga commanded a fighting force of 8,000 war junks, 240,000 Ming warriors and 500,000 South China Sea pirates. His warriors—who reportedly had to lift a 600 pound stone lion before they were recruited—fought with iron masks and used long swords to maim cavalry horses. Although he failed to overthrow the Manchus, he was successful in driving the Dutch from Taiwan, and for this he is regarded as a national hero.

Mafia-like Chinese triads, which now rule much of the heroin trade out of east Asia and control organized crime in Hong Kong, descend from secret societies established to fight he Manchus.

Source:http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=57

Tankerbell, you always mention that Japan invaded China during WW2 because they want to help to revive Ming Dynasty but I think they want to fulfill their ambition to set up their own empirie.  Can you please provide some sources of your theories?
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This further strengthened my statement that ming,in the later part was broken in 2 sides . One group joined the japanese fleet to retake back china while another group were traitors who sold out china to Manchurian by penetrating the administration of ming which resulted with burning of ships and weapons without a single fight. It was not possible that a mighty giant such as ming could fall without struggle unless it was the work of spies and mecernaries who betrayed the cina/ han ideology. This theory was very feasible given that during the rule of ming, they were very forgiven to outsiders and believed in mercy , hopping that these people would pledge their loyalty to the owner but these barbarians were incapable of domestication but needed to be in the wild. No surprised the fate of ming was expected.

That means that all these while japanese were fighting for the greater good of cina/han and it was expected that taiwanese loved them so much. Propaganda by communist china would naturrally side the manchurians that japanese fleet were pirates who wanted china for their own benefits.

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QUOTE(ectt @ Aug 19 2013, 12:29 AM)
japanese like hokkien...........

should be due to the ming dynasty japanese pivates(incl govt) ripped the china coastal line, especially fu jian province.

they need to understand or probe the situation in coastal line before they landed, so it could be the reason they mingled with hokkien, and the hokkien language mixed with japanese.

so TS will have the conclusion jap first emperor is hokkien.

old japanese language content was not rich or well developed like nowadays.
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Jinmu tenno was quoted in wikipedia so how it be created by me ??

Get a hokkien pronounciation software and translate it yourself.
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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Aug 18 2013, 06:21 PM)
Old chinese folk song tend to be very low, slow and strong tone but today mandarin is  of very high pitch until ang mo also called ching chong for lack of ability to pronounce the current chinese language.
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Hahaha, why compare folk songs? Musics had been introduced to Japan from China since the Tang Dynasty. Gagaku, the oldest classical music in Japan, was introduced into Japan with Buddhism from China. In 589, Japanese official diplomatic delegations were sent to China (during the Sui dynasty) to learn Chinese culture, including Chinese court music, Gagaku. For more info go ask Uncle Google about "togaku" and "gagaku" and nope Lady GaGa not a Japanese.

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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Aug 19 2013, 01:11 AM)
This further strengthened my statement that ming,in the later part was broken in 2 sides . One group joined the japanese fleet to retake back china while another group were traitors who sold out china to Manchurian by penetrating the administration of ming which resulted with burning of ships and weapons without a single fight. It was not possible that a mighty giant such as ming could fall without struggle unless it was the work of spies and mecernaries who betrayed the cina/ han ideology. This theory was very feasible given that during the rule of ming, they were very forgiven to outsiders and believed in mercy , hopping that these people would pledge their loyalty to the owner but these barbarians were incapable of domestication but needed to be in the wild. No surprised the fate of ming was expected.

That means that all these while japanese were fighting for the greater good of cina/han and it was expected that taiwanese loved them so much. Propaganda by communist china would naturrally side the manchurians that japanese fleet were pirates who wanted china for their own benefits.
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Ming was screwed by eunuchs.

Go google for more kinky stuff done by them

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tankerbell12345 is /k archaeologist, another specialist of  /kfag, LYN ke arah kuasa besar  flex.gif
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Oh no!!!First emperor of japan was hokkien so?
I am also a hokkien living in msia because my ancestors hated china and maybe his parents hated china too.

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QUOTE(ShortLeg @ Aug 19 2013, 08:10 AM)
Oh no!!!First emperor of japan was hokkien so?
I am also a hokkien living in msia because my ancestors hated china and maybe his parents hated china too.
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people leave not only because of hate...
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Yes they do,At least that was the case with my family.
My ancestors hated the chinese rulers who dont fck care about the people.
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QUOTE(strace @ Aug 18 2013, 09:42 PM)
language is never a solid proof of anything you said here. Its like saying the king of england has german roots because the germanics expansion to britain.
I could say one of the kings of korea is from india so south korea belongs to india, legit meh?
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tat's coz prince albert, queen victoria's husband was german
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QUOTE(ShortLeg @ Aug 19 2013, 08:21 AM)
Yes they do,At least that was the case with my family.
My ancestors hated the chinese rulers who dont fck care about the people.
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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Aug 18 2013, 05:00 PM)

[b]Jinmu tenno 神武天皇 - Shin bu thee ong (hokkien)

in mandarin 神 - shen
in cantonese - shan
in hokkien - shin

Not surprising too that sky god 天皇 in his royal name was pronounced phonetically after hokkien too.

In mandarin, 天皇 - tian wang
in cantonese and hakka - tin wong
in hokkien - thee o ng(a negligible slang)

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Bumi & putra both are Sanskrit words. By your logic Malays must be Indians lah laugh.gif

P/S putra means son, not prince

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QUOTE(cukobi @ Aug 18 2013, 05:11 PM)
so anyone who mata mcm orang cina suma claim same la...?? so negro mata kecik claim black cainis izit ? hmm.gif
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaifeng_Jews

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_China
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fukkien nyin will grow larger!!

inb4 Penang is the last strong hold of China Empayar !
LGE is the last dragon emperor.
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Aug 19 2013, 09:01 AM)
Bumi & putra both are Sanskrit words. By your logic Malays must be Indians lah  laugh.gif

P/S putra means son, not prince
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lol seriously how to tell its hokkien? i only heard that Japanese originally is Chinese that fled from China and set up their own empire that we call it as japan today
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fukkien nyin will grow larger!!

inb4 Penang is the last strong hold of China Empayar !
LGE is the last dragon emperor.
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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Aug 19 2013, 09:35 AM)
that is no hokkien pronounciation. Stop your pretense. You suck at it.
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hokkien lang will grow larger la....
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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Aug 19 2013, 12:48 AM)
It is highly believed that jomon were teo chew goh/ wu . Wu/ goh played a major role in the han dynasty too and both coexisted happily together and there is no issue between them.

They are like one happy family today.
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no. the jomon were paleolithic, meaning they were over 5000 years old, going through the ice age and stuff.

in contrast, the wu at most goes back to 1000 bc. unless the spring and autumn annals included a long ice age winter, then probably not.

also, xu fu is not an ancestor deity.

QUOTE(M3ssiah @ Aug 19 2013, 08:33 AM)
tat's coz prince albert, queen victoria's husband was german
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actually the whole royal family is technically german. due to the intermarriages, most of the protestant monarchs are cousins. e.g. upon ww1, the brit king and german kaisers were cousins.

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Aug 19 2013, 09:01 AM)
Bumi & putra both are Sanskrit words. By your logic Malays must be Indians lah  laugh.gif

P/S putra means son, not prince
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I heard George Washington was also hokkien..
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Later china claim Japan as their territory.
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no. the jomon were paleolithic, meaning they were over 5000 years old, going through the ice age and stuff.

in contrast, the wu at most goes back to 1000 bc. unless the spring and autumn annals included a long ice age winter, then probably not.

also, xu fu is not an ancestor deity.
actually the whole royal family is technically german. due to the intermarriages, most of the protestant monarchs are cousins. e.g. upon ww1, the brit king and german kaisers were cousins.
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Not only Germans, but French (Normans), Vikings and Celtics. bastards royals.
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QUOTE(king of fighter @ Aug 19 2013, 12:29 AM)
ectt bukan dari malaysia la wehh

taiwan dan jepun dah macam adik-beradik.. lambang bunga kebanggaan diaorang pun macam lebih kurang dah
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lambang bunga malaysia pula bunga raya pula sebijik sama dengan wilayah ryukyu di jepun punya bunga..
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lambang bunga rasmi okinawa di jepun adalah bunga raya.. sebijik sama dengan Malaysia


kalau pergi wilayah Okinawa, Ryukyu, Jepun.. tunjuk pada diaorang duit syiling Malaysia..
mesti diaorang akan tanya apsal Malaysia pun pakai lambang bunga raya juga macam bunga kebanggaan diaorang..

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QUOTE(avex|mode @ Aug 19 2013, 10:04 AM)
Not only Germans, but French (Normans), Vikings and Celtics. bastards royals.
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actually normans (basically the ruling house of most of northern europe) are pretty much vikings.

so you have normans ruling gauls in france and anglo-saxons in england. liken a very complicated age of empires game lol
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QUOTE(dlwk1988 @ Aug 19 2013, 09:34 AM)
lol seriously how to tell its hokkien? i only heard that Japanese originally is Chinese that fled from China and set up their own empire that we call it as japan today
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Today fujian are demoted to an indigenous pirates race which shows us how ignorant mainland chinese are.

The hokkien were one of the earliest ethic race to migrate away from china to foreign land. It was the case in malaysia too.

When sun yat sen wanted to choose a official language for china , the were too few supporters who propagated hokkien because most were not in mainland anymore.


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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Aug 19 2013, 12:58 AM)
How do u explain that his name was in hokkien ???? U wana tell me he watched television or learned it from the internet ??? There should be an entourage from mainland that transferred the language, culture and technological knowledge to japan.
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So Jay Chou, Jackie Chan must be English or Americans?

I studied Japanese before. I can briefly explain:

When the Japanese imported Chinese characters (kanji), they also imported the pronunciations.
Every kanji has two types of pronunciation - on (Chinese pronunciation) & kun (original Japanese pronunciation)

example:

on pronunciation is shin;
kun pronunciation is atarashi

新幹線 Shinkansen (New Trunk Line) - all 3 kanjis in on pronunciation
Kono kuruma wa atarashii desu (This car is new) - 'new' in kun pronunciation

This is how Chinese pronunciation sipped into Japanese. But Japanese language is completely different from Chinese.

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so the prisoners who ran away frm china to japan few thousand years ago were hokkiens?
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Aug 19 2013, 10:26 AM)
So Jay Chou, Jackie Chan must be English or Americans?

I studied Japanese before. I can briefly explain:

When the Japanese imported Chinese characters (kanji), they also imported the pronunciations.
Every kanji has two types of pronunciation - on (Chinese pronunciation) & kun (original Japanese pronunciation)

example:

on pronunciation is shin;
kun pronunciation is atarashi

新幹線 Shinkansen (New Trunk Line) - all 3 kanjis in on pronunciation
Kono kuruma wa atarashii desu (This car is new) - 'new' in kun pronunciation

This is how Chinese pronunciation sipped into Japanese. But Japanese language is completely different from Chinese.
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i agree its different and have different meaning to it as well, but it does bear similarities at least. It is most likely they borrowed a bit of the language from chinese to develop their own language, for example, not all English words we know are originally English , some is taken from french ,etc. Im guessing it goes the same for japnese.
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So Jay Chou, Jackie Chan must be English or Americans?

This is how Chinese pronunciation sipped into Japanese. But Japanese language is completely different from Chinese.
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I didnt say that japanese language is chinese language.

i am saying japanese culture are literally a carbon copy of qin which plays a major part in every aspect of their life and many of its inhabitants today are yayoi(related to qin) rather than jomon even though japanese is spoken.
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HALLO First Japanese Emperor its Hakka la, the writer its Hokkien
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The problem is that hakka dont refer themselves as fu / hok. He went there and named the place after fu eg. fuji, fukuoka, fukui and etc. which literal mean blessed and only in later part was named after the race.
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as a hokkien myself..not a fork was given...
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as a hakka my self.. Mau Diau was given...
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is new zealand hakka dance influence by hokkien too?
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han too ah originated from chinese, japanese originated from the chinese, i bet africans oso originated from the chinese...
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han too ah originated from chinese, japanese originated from the chinese, i bet africans oso originated from the chinese...
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hang tuah has the same surname as aaang from air benders which means king.
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ur head.

hang tuah has the same surname as aaang from air benders which means king.
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u got han too ah DNA ka? or just made up theoritcal BS? whistling.gif

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hang nadim?

u got han too ah DNA ka? or just made up theoritcal BS? whistling.gif
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that's your dna? well done genius!
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hang - aang - sama geng
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Daud - Daewoo - sama geng

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as a hakka my self.. Mau Diau was given...
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Dawood - Daewoo - sama geng

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is new zealand hakka dance influence by hokkien too?
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In hakka means no f***
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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Aug 19 2013, 10:26 AM)
Today fujian are demoted to an indigenous pirates race which shows us how ignorant mainland chinese are.

The hokkien were one of the earliest ethic race to migrate away from china to foreign land. It was the case in malaysia too.

When sun yat sen wanted to choose a official language for china , the were too few supporters who propagated hokkien because most were not in mainland anymore.
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when sun yat sent formed the govt, he had two languages to choose as national language
one is mandarin
another is Cantonese NOT Hokkien

the movement, the people, the bases were mostly involved with the southern chinese and in guangdong province, he himself is also originated from cantonese; to ease the communication among them and the cabinet, there is no point to choose hokkien.

however, he has been in penang, so he knows some hokkien is possible

in many of his public speeches, his strong cantonese accent can be spotted out obviously.

here is one of his public speeches with cantonese accent

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If that is so we asians are still black guys bleached white over time right ?

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first emperor of japan jinmu 660 B.C

qin dynasty xu fu went to japan 219 B.C

something not right?
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first emperor of japan jinmu 660 B.C

qin dynasty xu fu went to japan 219 B.C

something not right?
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Xu Fu's tomb can still be found in Wakayama (Japan), with the inscription of "Tomb of Xu Fu of the Qin Dynasty (221-206BC)."

The period 660BC is hearsay or oral tradition passed down from people.

Hope it clears out the confusion for once and all.
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the movement, the people, the bases were mostly involved with the southern chinese and in guangdong province, he himself is also originated from cantonese; to ease the communication among them and the cabinet, there is no point to choose hokkien.
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When sun yat sen wanted to propose an official language, most of han/hokkien were not in china anymore. That is why he had to go to penang, taiwan and japan to make his decision. He went exile and lived the rest of his live in japan because he knew that the old empire had shifted to japan whereas other places such as nanyang, china and etc. didnt flourish because of political impedance. It was the descendant of qin/han that made japan such formidable empire today ; the ingenious group such as ainu and jomon werent capable of such feat.



Cina/han style folk songs are found in japan folk song today but extinct in china.

Tell your chinese friends about the inaccuracy of history from Chinese counterpart because all these while Japanese who were considered as outsiders were actually the authentic descendant of cina whereas chinese counterpart are consisted of melting pot of other ethnicity.

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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Aug 19 2013, 09:26 PM)
When sun yat sen wanted to propose an official language, most of han/hokkien were not in china anymore. That is why he had to go to penang, taiwan and japan to make his decision. He went exile and lived the rest of his live in japan because he knew that the old empire had shifted to japan whereas other places such as nanyang, china and etc. didnt flourish because of political impedance. It was the descendant of qin/han that made japan such formidable empire today ; the ingenious group such as ainu and jomon werent capable of such feat.



Cina/han style folk songs are found in japan folk song today but extinct in china.

Tell your chinese friends about the inaccuracy of history from Chinese counterpart because all these while Japanese who were considered as outsiders were actually the authentic descendant of cina whereas chinese counterpart are consisted of melting pot of other ethnicity.
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This guy walk over to asia + 1000 generations later = Hokkien

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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Aug 19 2013, 09:20 PM)
Xu Fu's tomb can still be found in Wakayama (Japan), with the inscription of "Tomb of Xu Fu of the Qin Dynasty (221-206BC)."

The period 660BC is hearsay or oral tradition passed down from people.

Hope it clears out the confusion for once and all.
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scientifically not matching in timing! oriental historians also disagreed xu fu = sheng wu tian huang



more important is the truth of the history japanese preferred.
we treat their ww2 military leaders as criminals but they treat them as heros and legendary, set in a prestigious temple with grace tombs! that's what we cannot understand and accept neither! so how they praise xu fu and respect him is also their individual preference.

a govt can rewrite and change history books will give many ???? to the history and readers!!!


language evolution involved not just in writing, interpretation, and also have "pronunciation"! pronunciation is most likely to be affected. a good example is the singlish, mixed with different dialects, met a guy who can compose a sentence in hokkien, teochew, cantonese, english, malayu pronunciation, which they feel "ziouk" about it. then should claim he is hokkien ?

no linguistics can prove what is the pronunciation of a languages and dialect how it speaks in the past. some said tang dynasty speak the languages like cantonese, some said like hokkien, but no one can record it at that era!
that leaves many literature fans have more different saying on support of their speaking languages and dialects.

the interaction of the cultures, economy, literature, dressing, eating, living among different travelers or migrants will contribute the speaking languages evolution.

current japanese also getting more english like pronunciation words, so after an century some will also say their ancestor speaks english and may have foreign breed..

if we judge a language content after its long existence time, it is not easy to single out the dominance so easy due to the cultural interaction.

it is just a result of certain era and a part of the evolution of the language.



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QUOTE(ectt @ Aug 20 2013, 12:22 AM)
scientifically not matching in timing! oriental historians also disagreed xu fu = sheng wu tian huang
more important is the truth of the history japanese preferred.

His name jinmu tenno explained his origin clearly.


we treat their ww2 military leaders as criminals but they treat them as heros and legendary, set in a prestigious temple with grace tombs! that's what we cannot understand and accept neither! so how they praise xu fu and respect him is also their individual preference.

a govt can rewrite and change history books will give many ???? to the history and readers!!!

China for han and cina not manchurians

Japanese came back to retake china to revert china to its original state which is to liberate china from Manchurian influence. That is why they treated them as heroes.

Although they did it inhumanely, it was their only choice they had. The Manchurian were literally killing every hans/ cina and its influence from the face of china



language evolution involved not just in writing, interpretation, and also have "pronunciation"! pronunciation is most likely to be affected.  a good example is the singlish, mixed with different dialects, met a guy who can compose a sentence in hokkien, teochew, cantonese, english, malayu pronunciation, which they feel "ziouk" about it. then should claim he is hokkien ?

no linguistics can prove what is the pronunciation of a languages and dialect how it speaks in the past. some said tang dynasty speak the languages like cantonese, some said like hokkien, but no one can record it at that era!
that leaves many literature fans have more different saying on support of their speaking languages and dialects.

the interaction of the cultures, economy, literature, dressing, eating, living among different travelers or migrants will contribute the speaking languages evolution.

current japanese also getting more english like pronunciation words, so after an century some will also say their ancestor speaks english and may have foreign breed..

if we judge a language content after its long existence time, it is not easy to single out the dominance so easy due to the cultural interaction.

it is just a result of certain era and a part of the evolution of the language

The capital of Tang dynasty was in chang an . All dynasties that were situated in chang an were formed after after qin dynasty culturally and linguitically



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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Aug 18 2013, 07:43 PM)
倭 Wō / Wa = Japanese or '' dwarfs ''
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It actually means submissive , obedient and docile people. To the indigenous tribes and people who didnt understand the culture, bending down either by squat or kneel with both hands on grounds which is typical trait of han culture to showing respect has cognated to low or short stature or status. So, slowly it is being misunderstood to mean dwarfs. Ancestors of yamato / wo which made up of majority of population were from han dynasty.

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TS, kolos this tered la. we hokkien speakers know we have so so so much similarity with japanese. esp the language.

but u must know, the current japs are no longer the old japs. the old japs were much related to hokkien while current 1... most has mixed dna of jewish-jap(hokkien), europe-jap(hokkien), and their orang-asli-jap. these new breed are the japs that we know now.

other clan(canton,hakka,hainan) and races sure will think u tok BS ok.
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Japanese are obviously hardcore Han/Chinese supporter. That's why Nanking Massacre happens. They simply loves Han too much to let them suffer in this world.
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QUOTE(jonny4 @ Aug 18 2013, 05:03 PM)
stopped reading at Aryan demigods.

go read about genetics la. den u will see the difference.
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QUOTE(Wanie404 @ Aug 18 2013, 05:03 PM)
another bs chinese supremacy by tankerbell
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that article is just a theory only.

however origin of japanese do comes from china, else why you think japanese and chinese look alike that much?

actually all japanese tradition and festivals are come from china, you can investigate ancient chinese apparels and festivals and compare with japanese one.

but chinese never say they are more supreme because japanese ancestor comes from china. history is history. they are now 2 different nations already.
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 20 2013, 12:14 PM)
that article is just a theory only.

however origin of japanese do comes from china, else why you think japanese and chinese look alike that much?

actually all japanese tradition and festivals are come from china, you can investigate ancient chinese apparels and festivals and compare with japanese one.

but chinese never say they are more supreme because japanese ancestor comes from china. history is history. they are now 2 different nations already.
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Japs r a mix of mainland northern chinese, koreans n Ainu ppl. if u notice, among all the East Asian ppl, japanese have the most unique look n r the hairiest. Ainu ppl r the hairiest in the world.

there has been a lot of research done about the genetic origins of Japanese ppl.

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A 2008 study about genome-wide SNPs of East Asians by Chao Tian et al. reported that Japanese, Koreans and Han Chinese are far from southeast Asians, and Japanese is related to Koreans who are related to Han Chinese, but Japanese is relatively far from Han Chinese if compared to Koreans

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Japanese are obviously hardcore Han/Chinese supporter. That's why Nanking Massacre happens. They simply loves Han too much to let them suffer in this world.
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By 1650, Koxinga was strong enough to establish himself as the head of the Zheng family.[17] He pledged allegiance to the only remaining claimant to the throne of the Ming Dynasty, the Yongli Emperor. The Yongli Emperor was fleeing from the Manchus in south-western China with a motley court and hastily assembled army at the time. Despite one fruitless attempt, Koxinga was unable to do anything to aid the last Ming emperor.[17] Instead, he decided to concentrate on securing his own position on the southeast coast.

The long series of negotiations between Koxinga and the Qing Dynasty lasted until November 1654. The Qing government appointed Prince Jidu (son of Jirgalang) to lead an attack on Koxinga's territory after the failed negotiations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koxinga

That means the japanese history of china is right. Japanese pirates were attacking china to revert china to the right path whereas communist china derailed history by stating that japanese pirates during ming period wanted china for their own.
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Japs r a mix of mainland northern chinese, koreans n Ainu ppl. if u notice, among all the East Asian ppl, japanese have the most unique look n r the hairiest. Ainu ppl r the hairiest in the world.

there has been a lot of research done about the genetic origins of Japanese ppl.
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modern chinese in mainland china - mostly northern chinese who replaced the ancient chinese and hairless like korean kpop

ancient chinese - hairy eyebrow and beard as depicted in movies

Ur source compared modern japanese with modern chinese which are mostly heavily assimilated northern chinese (not the real ancient cina) shakehead.gif .

So of course they are not the same .

Remember japan was related to old china, not modern china.

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By 1650, Koxinga was strong enough to establish himself as the head of the Zheng family.[17] He pledged allegiance to the only remaining claimant to the throne of the Ming Dynasty, the Yongli Emperor. The Yongli Emperor was fleeing from the Manchus in south-western China with a motley court and hastily assembled army at the time. Despite one fruitless attempt, Koxinga was unable to do anything to aid the last Ming emperor.[17] Instead, he decided to concentrate on securing his own position on the southeast coast.

The long series of negotiations between Koxinga and the Qing Dynasty lasted until November 1654. The Qing government appointed Prince Jidu (son of Jirgalang) to lead an attack on Koxinga's territory after the failed negotiations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koxinga

That means the japanese history of china is right. Japanese pirates were attacking china to revert china to the right path whereas communist china derailed history by stating that japanese pirates during ming period wanted china for their own.
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Yes, I totally agree with you. Japanese are trying to revert China back to the right path...by killing off as many Chinese as they can. It's tough love.

As they believe in reincarnation, they are helping as many Chinese to reincarnate as possible, in as little time as possible. All these are for the good of the Han Chinese.
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Yes, I totally agree with you. Japanese are trying to revert China back to the right path...by killing off as many Chinese as they can. It's tough love.

As they believe in reincarnation, they are helping as many Chinese to reincarnate as possible, in as little time as possible. All these are for the good of the Han Chinese.
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Well they were indirectly responsible for the death of hundred of millions of cina/han during Manchurian, pre communist and cultural revolution and they betrayed their code of conduct by siding with manchurians.

There is even a movie about it 東方不敗

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Well they were indirectly responsible for the death of hundred of millions of cina/han during Manchurian, pre communist and cultural revolution and they betrayed their code of conduct by siding with manchurians.
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Absolutely correct, some of those children killed are reincarnation of those worthy of death such as those who sides with Manchurians, criminals and demon. Just because they reincarnated once doesn't means we can't catch them, damn it. We will still hunt and kill all their reincarnation.

Some of those women are either pregnant with those demon reincarnation of betrayer or could potentially be pregnant with one, so they need to be killed as well. Show them no mercy and slaughter all the betrayers! In fact, the very air breathed by the betrayer had taint the city. So, Japanese had done a great service to the Han Chinese by slaughtering all the Han Chinese that was in their way. Purification by fire is the only way to go!

The great Japanese had also done another great service to the Han Chinese, as well as Korean (who undoubtedly are Hokkiens as well). This service is so great that all people in the world shall shed a tear collectively and bow down to the great Japan. The entire human race combined couldn't had done anywhere close to this humble and noble deed. Remember I mentioned about women either pregnant with demon child or could potentially pregnant with one in last paragraph? Well, great Japanese had found a solution to the second part! By raping as many women as possible, they are depositing their glorious and noble Japanese sperm into those women, thus defeating the demon spawn from being born! Only by raping all those filthy women can they prevents those betrayer of Han Chinese from being born!

Hence, Japanese are the true saviour of Han Chinese. Only by killing, torturing and raping Han Chinese can they save the Han Chinese. The actual Han Chinese are all betrayer of Han Chinese and should just die.
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QUOTE(Draconian Paladin @ Aug 20 2013, 02:42 PM)
Hence, Japanese are the true saviour of Han Chinese. Only by killing, torturing and raping Han Chinese can they save the Han Chinese. The actual Han Chinese are all betrayer of Han Chinese and should just die.
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Whether they were han or not, it is not the issue. They were the one who sold out to Manchurians which led to at least 300 -400 millions death. Far from being innocent.

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Whether they were han or not are not the issue. They were the one who sold out to Manchurians which led to at least 400 -500 millions death. Far from innocent.
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True, because of action of some of them, the entire 250K to 300K people around Nanking should all die. I am sure all of them are guilty of being Han Betrayer who led to at least 400 - 500 million death!!!

400 to 500 millions death! How dare them, filthy betrayer!

According to Wikipedia, "At the founding of the Ming Dynasty in 1368, China's population was reported to be close to 60 million; toward the end of the dynasty in 1644, it may have approached 150 million." Source.

The figure of population during Qing Dynasty was estimated at:
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-   1740 est.  140,000,000
-   1776 est.  268,238,000
-   1790 est.  301,000,000
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Since you attributed those death to the hand of Manchurians, the Han Betrayer, that means those Han Betrayer killed more Han Chinese that was alive at that time! Those Han Betrayer had time travel to the future and killed at least 100 to 200 millions Han Chinese to keep up the quota.

How can anyone stood silent at this Great Betrayal? Those who were killed and raped by Japanese during Nanking Massacre obviously deserved it. China should cry and kneel down to apologise to Japan today. Also, those Han Chinese should queued up to be killed and raped by Japanese to remove the taints of Han Betrayer.


Edit: formatting

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Since you attributed those death to the hand of Manchurians, the Han Betrayer, that means those Han Betrayer killed more Han Chinese that was alive at that time! Those Han Betrayer had time travel to the future and killed at least 100 to 200 millions Han Chinese to keep up the quota.

How can anyone stood silent at this Great Betrayal? Those who were killed and raped by Japanese during Nanking Massacre obviously deserved it. China should cry and kneel down to apologise to Japan today. Also, those Han Chinese should queued up to be killed and raped by Japanese to remove the taints of Han Betrayer.
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U should know that u suggested it ^.

300-400 million are the statistics from the time of manchurian rule up to cultural revolution.

All I am saying that they were not as innocent as people have thought.

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U should know that u suggested it ^.

300-400 million are the statistics from the time of manchurian rule up to cultural revolution.

All I am saying that they were not as innocent as people have thought.
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Well, what I am saying is I completely agree with your numbers as theory of time travel is completely plausible. Also, I completely agree with your theory that all victims of Nanking had it coming, including children and babies. And that Japanese was the good guy there.

You got it completely correct, mate.
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Well, what I am saying is I completely agree with your numbers as theory of time travel is completely plausible. Also, I completely agree with your theory that all victims of Nanking had it coming, including children and babies. And that Japanese was the good guy there.

You got it completely correct, mate.
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u suggested it ^.

That is why all these while communist chinese history were the derailment of the true history.

mao zedong was responsible for million of death and he was hailed as a respected and great revolutionist .

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not to forget , hokkien old folk songs are very similar to japanese too. Today hokkien got influenced from indigenous group but its undeniable that old hokkien songs are identical to japanese folk song.
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True, because of action of some of them, the entire 250K to 300K people around Nanking should all die. I am sure all of them are guilty of being Han Betrayer who led to at least 400 - 500 million death!!!

400 to 500 millions death! How dare them, filthy betrayer!

According to Wikipedia, "At the founding of the Ming Dynasty in 1368, China's population was reported to be close to 60 million; toward the end of the dynasty in 1644, it may have approached 150 million." Source.

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Sorry guys I don't have time to translate this but Chinese folks should study how Manchus have massacred 800,000 Han Chinese (mostly ruling class & aristocrats) - this explain why Han Chinese today have forgotten their true culture and history. Just after the collapse of Ming dynasty of China, Manchus was ordered to exterminate Han Chinese ruling class by their newly declared emperor. Massacre continued, the evidence is the population of Ming during end of 16th century was around 52 million after 8 years of Manchu ruling of China, the population of Qing was recorded as 10.6 million - we can see there was rapid population drop here. Then after 48 years of Manchu rules - the population of China risen to 19.4 million (approx. 37% of that original Chinese population). So what hell happened to rest of 63% of the original Chinese population? You can literally sense how millions of Chinese would have been massacred by Manchus.

http://www.koreansentry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2203

Korean sources even agreed to the numbers.

150 - 52 = 98m
52-10.6 = 41.4m

This is only one of it in 1 wave only. Through out 300- 350 years , u could imagine, how much more these kind of dealings happened. Want more ?? wana see how innocent they were

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Sorry guys I don't have time to translate this but Chinese folks should study how Manchus have massacred 800,000 Han Chinese (mostly ruling class & aristocrats) - this explain why Han Chinese today have forgotten their true culture and history. Just after the collapse of Ming dynasty of China, Manchus was ordered to exterminate Han Chinese ruling class by their newly declared emperor. Massacre continued, the evidence is the population of Ming during end of 16th century was around 52 million after 8 years of Manchu ruling of China, the population of Qing was recorded as 10.6 million - we can see there was rapid population drop here. Then after 48 years of Manchu rules - the population of China risen to 19.4 million (approx. 37% of that original Chinese population). So what hell happened to rest of 63% of the original Chinese population? You can literally sense how millions of Chinese would have been massacred by Manchus.

http://www.koreansentry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2203

Korean sources even agreed to the Manchurian atrocities. This is only one of it around 45 million death in 1 wave only. Through out 300- 350 years , u could imagine, how much more these kind of dealings happened. Want more ??
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First of all, I never suggest anything. You keep saying that I suggest something when all I did is compare your figures with figures in Wikipedia and offer simplest explanation to the differences in numbers, which you had been unable to do.

Secondly, let's play the number game again. Look at my previous post:

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"At the founding of the Ming Dynasty in 1368, China's population was reported to be close to 60 million; toward the end of the dynasty in 1644, it may have approached 150 million."

The figure of population during Qing Dynasty was estimated at:
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-  1740 est.  140,000,000
-  1776 est.  268,238,000
-  1790 est.  301,000,000


I agree that there will be death during war (Oh, suprised! yawn.gif ) but your numbers are not quite right. If you look at the estimated population in Wikipedia, there are about 10 millions population differences in between the dynasties. Granted 10 millions is still a large number, but it is not 30 millions+ as you suggested and not that large of the percentage as you suggested (6% population loss vs your claim of 63% population death). And not all are death, as some of them might take some precaution action during war, such as you know get the hell out of there and go to other countries.

Also, if you look at the numbers again, in close to 300 years of Ming dynasty, the population grows by about 90 millions. In about 50 years of Qing rule, the population grows by about 160 millions. The key to ruling a country is not kill everyone with difference bloodline than yours, that is not good sense. How will killing people off good for you since it lower your tax revenue and increase possibility of revolution? It's better to keep population large, but ignorant and happy with your rule. Of course, in your mind, everyone who are not Japanese is just Han Betrayer, including Han themselves.

I would also like to point out that while China is large, I doubts their ruling class & aristocrats numbers in ten of millions. That's too large number for "elite class" in my opinion.
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anyways , i am not interested in your nonsense. The figures are all in wikipedia too.


Dont talk innocence when u dont anything about history. Figure of population doesn't show anything.

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anyways , i am not interested in your nonsense. The figures are all in wikipedia too.
Dont talk innocence when u dont anything about history. Figure of population doesn't show anything.
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Precisely, the nonsense is I am able to produce facts from simple search on Wikipedia and using simple logic.

Meanwhile, you are only able to produce numbers and dubious theory from some Korean forum which don't add up. And when you have nothing else to argue, all you can do is brush everything else that disagree with you as nonsense.

I hereby proudly tell you this,

Cool story, bro. Mind to tell it again?
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It actually means submissive , obedient and docile people. To the indigenous tribes and people who didnt understand the culture, bending down either by squat or kneel with both hands on grounds which is typical trait of han culture to showing respect has cognated to low or short stature or status. So, slowly it is being misunderstood to mean dwarfs. Ancestors of yamato / wo which made up of majority of population were from han dynasty.
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seriously, can't agree with it though our chinese is not good; the word meaning from a few reputed dictionaries is not the meaning you interpret or you found this word meaning in japanese dictionary?

here is a typical findings about this word

详细解释


【名】
(形声。从人,委声。本义:古称日本)人种名。中国于汉、魏、晋、南北朝时称日本为倭。其后倭和与日本两名并称。如:倭傀(古代的丑女);倭奴(中国旧称日本为倭奴);倭刀(古时日本所制的佩刀,以锋利著称);倭股(日本产的缎子);倭国(中国史书中日本的古称);倭夷(日本海盗)



矮的,个子不高的。如:倭狐猴
短的。如:倭刀

倭寇
Wōkòu
指元末到明中叶多次在朝鲜和我国沿海抢劫骚扰的日本强盗
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QUOTE(ectt @ Aug 20 2013, 06:11 PM)
seriously, can't agree with it though our chinese is not good; the word meaning from a few reputed dictionaries is not the meaning you interpret or you found this word meaning in japanese dictionary?

here is a typical findings about this word

详细解释


【名】
(形声。从人,委声。本义:古称日本)人种名。中国于汉、魏、晋、南北朝时称日本为倭。其后倭和与日本两名并称。如:倭傀(古代的丑女);倭奴(中国旧称日本为倭奴);倭刀(古时日本所制的佩刀,以锋利著称);倭股(日本产的缎子);倭国(中国史书中日本的古称);倭夷(日本海盗)



矮的,个子不高的。如:倭狐猴
短的。如:倭刀

倭寇
Wōkòu
指元末到明中叶多次在朝鲜和我国沿海抢劫骚扰的日本强盗
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It could mean dwarf but it could mean submissive too meaning people who like to bow or on their knees.

More likely its a word to look down on japanese. Chinese dont bow to people anymore.

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Absolutely correct, some of those children killed are reincarnation of those worthy of death such as those who sides with Manchurians, criminals and demon. Just because they reincarnated once doesn't means we can't catch them, damn it. We will still hunt and kill all their reincarnation.

Some of those women are either pregnant with those demon reincarnation of betrayer or could potentially be pregnant with one, so they need to be killed as well. Show them no mercy and slaughter all the betrayers! In fact, the very air breathed by the betrayer had taint the city. So, Japanese had done a great service to the Han Chinese by slaughtering all the Han Chinese that was in their way. Purification by fire is the only way to go!

The great Japanese had also done another great service to the Han Chinese, as well as Korean (who undoubtedly are Hokkiens as well). This service is so great that all people in the world shall shed a tear collectively and bow down to the great Japan. The entire human race combined couldn't had done anywhere close to this humble and noble deed. Remember I mentioned about women either pregnant with demon child or could potentially pregnant with one in last paragraph? Well, great Japanese had found a solution to the second part! By raping as many women as possible, they are depositing their glorious and noble Japanese sperm into those women, thus defeating the demon spawn from being born! Only by raping all those filthy women can they prevents those betrayer of Han Chinese from being born!

Hence, Japanese are the true saviour of Han Chinese. Only by killing, torturing and raping Han Chinese can they save the Han Chinese. The actual Han Chinese are all betrayer of Han Chinese and should just die.
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Well they were indirectly responsible for the death of hundred of millions of cina/han during Manchurian, pre communist and cultural revolution and they betrayed their code of conduct by siding with manchurians.

There is even a movie about it  東方不敗
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NOT code of ethics??? hmm.gif
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NOT code of ethics??? hmm.gif
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Boss, repair your sarcasm meter tongue.gif
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able to repair laptop but cannot repair human mindset!

this thread drive us to reconsider seriously whether we should tell our next generation what japanese did in ww2 seriously!

now we understand why grandparents were so angry when they found japanese mask out the history and rewrote their history book.

the politicians still have the lucky mindset to mask out the truth.

keep saying different version , years after years, more and more people will start to suspect, and doubt
years and years further down, people will have new version to accept the lie.

and finally lie becomes a truth.

good betting! hmm.gif
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Boss, repair your sarcasm meter tongue.gif
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Son..Tankerbell is disappointed.. laugh.gif

He thot finally he got an ally.

1st, WW2 was china-made. Now, hokkien emperor. C.Columbus might be a Hakka too (coming soon). laugh.gif




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Son..Tankerbell is disappointed.. laugh.gif

He thot finally he got an ally.

1st, WW2 was china-made. Now, hokkien emperor. C.Columbus might be a Hakka too (coming soon).  laugh.gif
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Sorry bro i stated what is truth.

mao ze dong - in the tenth of millions and he was regarded as the hero of highest order in china

machurian & mongols - hundred of millions and nothing happened to them

Ming fall because of pirates and Manchurian were savior of china ?

the whole world is talking about chinese hypocrisy not only me and i didnt deny the japanese dealing in china but i just state that the china history is derailed to suit certain interest party.

get it very clear.

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Sorry bro i stated what is truth.

mao ze dong - in the tenth of millions and he was regarded as the hero of china

machurian & mongols - hundred of millions and nothing happened to them

the whole world is talking about chinese hypocrisy not only me and i didnt deny the japanese dealing in china but i just state that the china history is derailed to suit certain interest party.

get it very clear.
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Pls la..truth what 7..

How do u know stuff that u've read is truth? Were u Mao's PA when the so-called massacre occurred? Or you were the Japanese emperor's special assistant?

I know.. CIA told u about the truth, right?

Every country have their own version(s) of their history & we, the netizen, can choose what we'd like to believe. U dont need to shove your crap into others mind. Most of us are old enough to understand all the craps on the internet.

The chinese didnt come & chop our grandparents like cucumbers. Now that's the truth.




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QUOTE(Gon Freaks @ Aug 20 2013, 02:50 PM)
wait till you see who is the first chinese k..is actually melei..

melei ke arah kuasa besar dunia..
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ic this is the answer many butthurt want to see brows.gif
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ONCE UPON A TIME WE"RE ALL BLACKS !
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hakka pipu can kembang hidung already

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Hakka culture might be a key component of Japanese culture.

It is hard not to notice that spoken Hakka dialect/language and Japanese language are closer than Mandarin and Japanese. Certain Japanese also resemble Shandong Chinese, distinct from the Ainu features of Hokkaido. Some Japanese friends point out that Hakkas look like Japanese. In fact the strong adherance to tradition and stubbornness are very characteristic of both Hakka and Japanese. The following is an account that could provide some support to the link between Hakka and Japanese culture.


http://www.asiawind.com/hakka/history.htm#japan

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QUOTE(ChaosXP @ Aug 21 2013, 08:48 PM)
ONCE UPON A TIME WE"RE ALL BLACKS !
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In the Bible Old Testament, the blacks are known as the cursed decendents of Noah who went against God's orders.

They decended from Noah's son named Cush(Kush) which later formed the Babylon sin empire.
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QUOTE(ChaosXP @ Aug 21 2013, 08:48 PM)
ONCE UPON A TIME WE"RE ALL BLACKS !
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ONCE UPON A TIME WE'RE ALL PRIMATE and now we're homo
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LOLLLLLLLLLLL

you guys still feeding that troll?

LOL
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QUOTE(mustard @ Sep 15 2013, 06:53 PM)
ONCE UPON A TIME WE'RE ALL PRIMATE and now we're homo
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Then if you can't find a wife try finding an ape as your mistress.
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QUOTE(Ahn3hn3h @ Sep 15 2013, 06:56 PM)
Then if you can't find a wife try finding an ape as your mistress.
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Bonobos will serve him well.

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QUOTE(Ahn3hn3h @ Sep 15 2013, 06:44 PM)
In the Bible Old Testament, the blacks are known as the cursed decendents of Noah who went against God's orders.

They decended from Noah's son named Cush(Kush) which later formed the Babylon sin empire.
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Nice tooltip bro. Thanks for the religious view.


QUOTE(mustard @ Sep 15 2013, 06:53 PM)
ONCE UPON A TIME WE'RE ALL PRIMATE and now we're homo
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HOLY SHIT you watch Twilight too ?
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i always believe that korean, japanese and chinese are the true asians

others like indonesians ah, indians ah, are in other category one
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its no wonder they have small penis
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QUOTE(kamfoo @ Sep 16 2013, 03:32 AM)
its no wonder they have small penis
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How u know hokkien got small penis

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QUOTE(zeroonetwo @ Sep 16 2013, 03:40 AM)
How u know hokkien got small penis

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Only others consider themselves big because they are using their head as a comparison.
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QUOTE(zeroonetwo @ Sep 16 2013, 03:40 AM)
How u know hokkien got small penis

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Lol
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tankerbell12345 never fail to amuse me.
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QUOTE(Leprodige @ Sep 16 2013, 03:24 AM)
i always believe that korean, japanese and chinese are the true asians

others like indonesians ah, indians ah, are in other category one
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White people think, asian = chinese. Via over population ethnic 1,300,000,000 on this planet.
Japan = another HIGH LEVEL of race. Not so asian to them.
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QUOTE(GEKY @ Sep 16 2013, 01:29 PM)
White people think, asian = chinese. Via over population ethnic 1,300,000,000 on this planet.
Japan = another HIGH LEVEL of race. Not so asian to them.
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Yamato no Aya clan (東漢氏) - descended from Prince Achi no Omi, a great-grandchild of Emperor Ling of Han of the Chinese Han Dynasty.

The yamato are comprised of majority of japanese today which explained the high standard of the race whereas the chinese counterpart in china are equally shared among other ethnic groups.
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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Sep 16 2013, 01:34 PM)
Yamato no Aya clan (東漢氏) - descended from Prince Achi no Omi, a great-grandchild of Emperor Ling of Han of the Chinese Han Dynasty.

The yamato are comprised of majority of japanese today which explained the high standard of the race whereas the chinese counterpart in china are equally shared among other ethnic groups.
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Ok la ok la u want medal?

Take it.

Sikalang sula puas hati? Sudah rasa bangga? Sudah rasa gembira, happy?

Macem budak-budak.

Nowdays no want give a shit what race u are.

The caste is based on between rich and poor.




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Its always ok to reminisce of the past when the current present achievements of many of todays individuals don't even mean a single speck of dust in the great scheme of things.
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Aug 18 2013, 05:06 PM)
japanese, chinese, koreans... what's the difference?
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their nationalities? duh..
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QUOTE(GEKY @ Sep 16 2013, 01:39 PM)

Nowdays no want give a shit what race u are.
WRONG!

That's what the elites want you to believe but they practice otherwise.

Even in the Bible and other Abrahamic religions, bloodlines should be kept as pure as possible which is a command by God.

Abraham told his children to only marry within the tribes of the Cannanites.
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in the end

silat managed to defeat bruce lee wing chun

Lol

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no shiet sherlock
thier country is just next to each other
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Chinese got Chiporn~
Japan got Jporn?
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Sep 16 2013, 04:53 PM)
in the end

silat managed to defeat bruce lee wing chun

Lol
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You're also a believer that Hang Tuah was immortal?

Would silat exist without kungfu?
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I rike how this thread got side tracked smile.gif
manhood size, Silat vs Bruce Lee and Hang Tuah is in. What's next? biggrin.gif
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oh ~ then hokkien is their royal blood?

i has enjoice
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QUOTE(Broadings @ Sep 16 2013, 05:09 PM)
I rike how this thread got side tracked smile.gif
manhood size, Silat vs Bruce Lee and Hang Tuah is in. What's next? biggrin.gif
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Which race is mostly related to lizards and reptiles?

The palest of skin with green/blue eyes?
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QUOTE(Ahn3hn3h @ Sep 16 2013, 04:59 PM)
You're also a believer that Hang Tuah was immortal?

Would silat exist without kungfu?
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Indian Martial Arts older than kung fu iinm hmm.gif
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aryan, ancient japanese, ancient egyptian, ancient persian = cina? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Ahn3hn3h @ Sep 16 2013, 05:15 PM)
Which race is mostly related to lizards and reptiles?

The palest of skin with green/blue eyes?
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rclxms.gif This is 540 degree spinned clockwise and then spin back 360 anti-clockwise + 180 x 2 spin clockwise!

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I heard our first ancestor was a talking cactus.
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Empress Jingu Kogo Led A Japanese Invasion Of Korea 366AD



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im imagining he's spewing out hokkien vulgar words during war..................
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Ini Hekline versi china ni...
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at the end of the day, just wanna know, if Japan = chinese, so japan got JAV, china will also widely market their CAV?

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