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post Oct 14 2010, 05:16 AM, updated 16y ago

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example of Hokkiens word compare it with current korean and japanese word

FLAG ~ Hokkien : Ki ..Korean : Ki .. Japanese : Ki
THANKS/GRATITUDE ~ Hokkien : Kam sia ..Korean : Kam Sa.. Japanese : Kansha
SUCCESS ~ Hokkien : Seng Kong.. Korea : Song Kong.. Japanese : Seikoo
PROGRESS ~ Hokkien : Chin Por.. Korean : Chin Bo ..Japanese : Shinpo
NEWS ~ Hokkien : Sin Boon ..Korean : Sin Mun ..Japanese : Shin Bun
SIMPLE ~ Hokkien : Kan Tan ..Korean : Gand Dan ..Japanese : Kan Tan
TIME ~ Hokkien : Si Kan .. Korean : Si Kan .. Japanese : Ji Kan
PREPARE ~ Hokkien : Choon Pi ..Korean : Joon Pi .. Japanese : Jun Bi

so much more to name, and usually can find so much hokkien words used in korean language

the hokkien language is very ancient, some said it derived from Tang Dynasty, the pronounciation.. i dunno, but it is true the current mandarin language have so much influence of manchu era during Qing dynasty

previously one of the founder of China today Sun Yat Sen arrived in Penang..
i think he want to study the language of ancient chinese language (since peranakan is very anti manchu, the first wave of chinese in Malaysia, they didn't even want to wear "tocang" as what u saw in Jet Li Kung Fu movie.. they said it is manchu people culture.. so anti with manchu people.. dunno why)

but then the founder of china country now choose mandarin which heavily have influence of the manchu era.. its not easy to change people culture as the manchu era is 268 years, same like us la.. so many hundred years under british influence, u think very easy to change ka? ONLY A VERY STRICT AND EVIL LEADER LIKE ADOLF HITLER (from Germany) and MEIJI EMPEROR of JAPAN can successfully changed the culture of their own in just couple of years.. others take so many years even hundred of years.

during the time of Sultan Mansor Shah of Kesultanan Melayu Melaka, when he married Puteri Hang Li Po from China (Ming Dynasty, i didn't remember the name of china that time.. as far as i know china name derived from qing/ching dynasty.. the british colonial like to make fun with qing/ching name with phrase like "hey u bloody chink" (meaning very weak), the qing/ching dynasty name is what make the china name nowaday.. as far as i know).. the followers and family of Puteri Hang Li Po look like speak in hokkien language and perform the peranakan people.. the year is above 1500.

I can't deny that hokkien culture really influenced malaysian culture today from food to bahasa melayu.. and same goes to current hokkien language.

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if study from language, then we will know that ancient Japanese language have connection with Hawaii language and also Bahasa Melayu + the influence of chinese words that look like originated from what hokkien people speak in Malaysia.. it is 1,000 years of civilization.. the British era before this implement the DIVIDE n RULE idealogy so that the new group of what some malaysian politician calls "pendatang" will not kacau their plan to rule the colonized nation.

user posted image ~ most of the people from the era of Puteri Hang Li Po look like speak in hokkien language with heavy influence of melayu n also british colonial era

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post Oct 14 2010, 05:24 AM

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post Oct 14 2010, 05:29 AM

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post Oct 14 2010, 07:13 AM

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QUOTE(SilentSerpent @ Oct 14 2010, 05:29 AM)
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nouruddines.. i remind u do not remind me of that amoi! vmad.gif

i learned some hokkien words because of she.. maybe i like that amoi so much. sad.gif
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post Oct 14 2010, 07:21 AM

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QUOTE(hack3line @ Oct 14 2010, 05:16 AM)
example of Hokkiens word compare it with current korean and japanese word

FLAG ~ Hokkien : Ki ..Korean : Ki .. Japanese : Ki
THANKS/GRATITUDE ~ Hokkien : Kam sia ..Korean : Kam Sa.. Japanese : Kansha
SUCCESS ~ Hokkien : Seng Kong.. Korea : Song Kong.. Japanese : Seikoo
PROGRESS ~ Hokkien : Chin Por.. Korean : Chin Bo ..Japanese : Shinpo
NEWS ~ Hokkien : Sin Boon ..Korean : Sin Mun ..Japanese : Shin Bun
SIMPLE ~ Hokkien : Kan Tan ..Korean : Gand Dan ..Japanese : Kan Tan
TIME ~ Hokkien : Si Kan .. Korean : Si Kan .. Japanese : Ji Kan
PREPARE ~ Hokkien : Choon Pi ..Korean : Joon Pi .. Japanese : Jun Bi
no it's hakka,hokkien perasan

FLAG ~ Hokkien : Ki ..Korean : Ki .. Japanese : Ki ,
Hakka Ki

THANKS/GRATITUDE ~ Hokkien : Kam sia ..Korean : Kam Sa.. Japanese : Kansha
Hakka kam chia

SUCCESS ~ Hokkien : Seng Kong.. Korea : Song Kong.. Japanese : Seikoo
Hakka sin kung

PROGRESS ~ Hokkien : Chin Por.. Korean : Chin Bo ..Japanese : Shinpo
hakka chin pu

NEWS ~ Hokkien : Sin Boon ..Korean : Sin Mun ..Japanese : Shin Bun
hakka sin vun

SIMPLE ~ Hokkien : Kan Tan ..Korean : Gand Dan ..Japanese : Kan Tan
gan dan

TIME ~ Hokkien : Si Kan .. Korean : Si Kan .. Japanese : Ji Kan
si kan

PREPARE ~ Hokkien : Choon Pi ..Korean : Joon Pi .. Japanese : Jun Bi
joon pi
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post Oct 14 2010, 07:46 AM

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Someone posted this long time ago.

There are more similarities between Korean & hokkien & even Mandarin.cantionese bcos Korean is using 60% of Chinese nouns.

From Korean dramas, you will noticed much more similarities such as:

Chin chiak - Hokkien - Chin Chial or chin nia - meaning "Really"

putao - same sounding as in Mandarin - Grape

Hwang - similar to cantonese/mandaring - king

gongju - similar sounding to mandarin - princess

Bang - similar to Hokkien - "room"

and many more since Korean shared 60% of Chinese nouns except their other 40% grammatic order / order of the wors is the opposite of chinese and even english..
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post Oct 14 2010, 08:03 AM

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pretty vague n inconclusive seeing as they may or may not be derived from original mandarin anyway
with such similarities whats not to say that language X derived it first
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post Oct 14 2010, 08:09 AM

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Some said Korean borrowed 60% of Chinse words. and others are their own. prior to 15th century, they are using Chinse character before King Sojeong created Korean alpahbet ~ 1420.

With centuries of using chinese just like ancient Japan & even not so long ago Vietnam, you can expert lotsa sino-Korean wordings just like Japanese
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QUOTE(daruma @ Oct 14 2010, 07:21 AM)
no it's hakka,hokkien perasan

FLAG ~ Hokkien : Ki ..Korean : Ki .. Japanese : Ki ,
Hakka Ki

THANKS/GRATITUDE ~ Hokkien : Kam sia ..Korean : Kam Sa.. Japanese : Kansha
Hakka kam chia

SUCCESS ~ Hokkien : Seng Kong.. Korea : Song Kong.. Japanese : Seikoo
Hakka sin kung

PROGRESS ~ Hokkien : Chin Por.. Korean : Chin Bo ..Japanese : Shinpo
hakka chin pu

NEWS ~ Hokkien : Sin Boon ..Korean : Sin Mun ..Japanese : Shin Bun
hakka sin vun

SIMPLE ~ Hokkien : Kan Tan ..Korean : Gand Dan ..Japanese : Kan Tan
gan dan

TIME ~ Hokkien : Si Kan .. Korean : Si Kan .. Japanese : Ji Kan
si kan

PREPARE ~ Hokkien : Choon Pi ..Korean : Joon Pi .. Japanese : Jun Bi
joon pi
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good reference from Universiti Putra Malaysia (UPM)

Perubahan Leksis dalam Dialek Hokkien dan Dialek Hakka: Satu Kajian Kes
http://psasir.upm.edu.my/6828

majority of Malaysian chinese.. even in whole South East Asia people is hokkien and hakka people.

what i know, hokkien people arrived in Malaysia since year 1500++ (usually they are a very noble people or business people),
while the Hakka people arrived in Malaysia and South East Asia around year 1800++.. the record so far

during ancient days Hakka people very fierce la.. they always wanna rebel, have somekind of warrior blood in their vein..
and one of the cause why manchu era, Qing dynasty collapsed in china.
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post Oct 14 2010, 08:35 AM

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i only know korean alphabets are much easier to learn compared to chinese.
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post Oct 14 2010, 08:51 AM

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post Oct 14 2010, 12:25 PM

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so selama ini orang china mengagung-agung baHASA manchu la(mandarin)..... y not hokkien as national language
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post Oct 14 2010, 12:26 PM

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yes it proved.. the 1st explorer to japan is from a hokkien community

i saw it somewhere in History Channel
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QUOTE(SilentSerpent @ Oct 14 2010, 05:29 AM)
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Oct 14 2010, 01:25 PM)
so selama ini orang china mengagung-agung baHASA manchu la(mandarin)..... y not hokkien as national language
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doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

some1 pls dump this guy with a history book
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Oct 14 2010, 12:25 PM)
so selama ini orang china mengagung-agung baHASA manchu la(mandarin)..... y not hokkien as national language
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mandarin = "speech of officials", can trace back its history during the manchu era

i think this video below is very debatable

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post Oct 14 2010, 01:28 PM

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no wonder i kenot understand jap n korean
coz i kenot understand hokkien pun
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post Oct 14 2010, 01:30 PM

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dunno la..JAV no subtitle ..

cannot find similarities

siew pu janpanis call what?
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post Oct 14 2010, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(samantha88 @ Oct 14 2010, 01:28 PM)
no wonder i kenot understand jap n korean
coz i kenot understand hokkien pun
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i teach u lor ..

ur email gimme la ..1 day 1 hokkien word wub.gif
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nono.. japanese =cantonese

yes=hai
teacher=singsang
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post Oct 14 2010, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(atombom123 @ Oct 14 2010, 01:51 PM)
nono.. japanese =cantonese

yes=hai
teacher=singsang
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INSURANCE ~ Hokkien : Poh Hiam, Korean : Poh Ham
SAFETY ~ Hokkien : Aun Chuan, Korean : An Jon
RIVER ~ Hokkien : Kang, Korean : Kang

EMOTION/FEELING ~ Hokkien : kam tong, Korean : Kam Jong, Japanese : Kanjoo
MARRIAGE - Hokkien : Keat Hoon, Korean : Kyol Hon, Japanese : Kekkon

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it look like most of "f" sound in mandarin is "h" sound in hokkien, korean and japanese rclxub.gif
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post Oct 14 2010, 02:52 PM

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huat ahh ...
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QUOTE(mongtan @ Oct 14 2010, 02:52 PM)
huat ahh ...
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still learning.. let me guess

Ah Wang? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(atombom123 @ Oct 14 2010, 01:51 PM)
nono.. japanese =cantonese

yes=hai
teacher=singsang
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no laa teacher in japanese = sen sei sound like hokkien sen seh

1 more pupil in korean = hap sing hokkien = hap seng

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No, it's Cantonese smile.gif

Yes ~ Cantonese: Hai - Japanese: Hai
Walk ~ Cantonese: Sanpou - Japanese: Sanpo
Simple ~ Cantonese: Kantan - Japanese: Kantan
Time ~ Cantonese: Sikan - Japanese: Jikan
Phone ~ Cantonese: Dinwa - Japanese: Denwa
Dismiss ~ Cantonese: Kaisan - Japanese: Kaisan
Question ~ Cantonese: Mantai - Japanese: Mondai

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Some of the tulisan also same
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QUOTE(hack3line @ Oct 14 2010, 07:13 AM)
siham + chilli sauce + lime..  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif
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nouruddines.. i remind u do not remind me of that amoi!  vmad.gif

i learned some hokkien words because of she..  maybe i like that amoi so much. sad.gif
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siham !!!!
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i love you in japanese is Ai-shi-te-ru

what is i love you in hokkien...? biggrin.gif
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post Oct 14 2010, 09:22 PM

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yayaya....everything start from Hokkien 1...the 1st human being was Hokkien....
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QUOTE(adren1 @ Oct 14 2010, 09:14 PM)
Some of the tulisan also same
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that's called "kanji" in japanese, chinese is "han zhi"

kimochi and bukake still original from japanese right?
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how to say giraffe in hokkien?? unsure.gif


Added on October 14, 2010, 9:31 pmhow to say bread / roti in hokkien?? doh.gif

This post has been edited by ShaLong: Oct 14 2010, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE(ShaLong @ Oct 14 2010, 09:31 PM)
how to say giraffe in hokkien?? unsure.gif


Added on October 14, 2010, 9:31 pmhow to say bread / roti in hokkien?? doh.gif
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bread is lorh thee....?
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QUOTE(cbsim @ Oct 14 2010, 09:13 PM)
No, it's Cantonese smile.gif

Yes ~ Cantonese: Hai - Japanese: Hai
Walk ~ Cantonese: Sanpou - Japanese: Sanpo
Simple ~ Cantonese: Kantan - Japanese: Kantan
Time ~ Cantonese: Sikan - Japanese: Jikan
Phone ~ Cantonese: Dinwa - Japanese: Denwa
Dismiss ~ Cantonese: Kaisan - Japanese: Kaisan
Question ~ Cantonese: Mantai - Japanese: Mondai
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cantonese is very near to mandarin right?

why r cantonese called others as "ghost", n the hakka people as their guest?

about japanese.. in ancient days they adopt chinese education.. so no wonder la
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before meiji emperor time, japanese admire chinese education system before they made their own japanese education system (japan+german+dutch+english+usa+chinese)
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Oct 14 2010, 01:25 PM)
so selama ini orang china mengagung-agung baHASA manchu la(mandarin)..... y not hokkien as national language
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cuba tanya kalau diorang pernah tengok turki dari orang asia tengah dan eskimo. mesti diorang terkejut.
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QUOTE(damonlbs @ Oct 14 2010, 09:20 PM)
i love you in japanese is Ai-shi-te-ru

what is i love you in hokkien...? biggrin.gif
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i love u = wa sayang lu

laugh.gif sayang lu, sayang lu

i think in korean they said "sarang" same meaning as "sayang" laugh.gif


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I think Hakka and Hokkien equally ancient


Added on October 14, 2010, 9:52 pmKorean nouns borrowed lots of chinese nouns, but basically Korean and Japanese are very different languages from Chinese.

Japanese and Korean are considered to be Altaic languages. Tone is not important. No matter how you pronounce "arigatou" it still means "thank you"

In chinese if you use the wrong tone it gives a different meaning altogether

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QUOTE(hack3line @ Oct 14 2010, 09:44 PM)
cantonese is very near to mandarin right?

why r cantonese called others as "ghost", n the hakka people as their guest?

about japanese.. in ancient days they adopt chinese education.. so no wonder la
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before meiji emperor time, japanese admire chinese education system before they made their own japanese education system (japan+german+dutch+english+usa+chinese)
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this is an interesting question...even me as a hakka din notice that b4...will do some research into it...haha
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how to say Ho Lang Kan in korean & japz?
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QUOTE(PrinceHamsap @ Oct 14 2010, 09:57 PM)
how to say Ho Lang Kan in korean & japz?
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What is soap (English) / sabun (Bahasa Melayu) in Hokkien?
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QUOTE(vendetta87 @ Oct 14 2010, 09:36 PM)
bread is lorh thee....?
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doh.gif doh.gif lorh thee = roti??

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