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post Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM, updated 13y ago

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i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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In japan the salesgirl use their yodabashi card and you get 8% discount while she can achieve sales target, win win
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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Most likely you are cheapskate to even donate and you wanted to feel charitable without giving them a cent
Do you also rage if cat eat your dropped food on the floor?
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post Aug 15 2013, 10:17 PM

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dei...he dint steal la

if u give him your card and he dint swipe yours and swiped he 1 instead then can consider steal sweat.gif
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QUOTE(boyot @ Aug 15 2013, 10:17 PM)
Most likely you are cheapskate to even donate and you wanted to feel charitable without giving them a cent
Do you also rage if cat eat your dropped food on the floor?
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Angry if Aeon cashier doing that thing.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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do you rage when ppl dun gip you 5sen cos they no change? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(boyot @ Aug 15 2013, 02:17 PM)
Most likely you are cheapskate to even donate and you wanted to feel charitable without giving them a cent
Do you also rage if cat eat your dropped food on the floor?
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did you miss the difference between stealing and charity?

charity is by choice. getting your selipar stolen at the mosque would force you to just give up and sedekah the selipar. sedekah is by choice, not by force.
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gua tak kesah pun.. daripada points tu sesia je tak pegi kat sapa2..

anggap la sedekah, dapat pahala.. buka thread camni, hilang pahala tu..
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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:17 PM)
dei...he dint steal la

if u give him your card and he dint swipe yours and swiped he 1 instead then can consider steal sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 15 2013, 02:18 PM)
do you rage when ppl dun gip you 5sen cos they no change?  biggrin.gif
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do they tell me or do they just shut up and let it go?
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i find the "tak apa" attitude in this thread unnerving.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:20 PM)
do they tell me or do they just shut up and let it go?
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they dun tell.. i also rage and say no 5sen your problem la.. gip me back 10sen.. laugh.gif then she black face..lol..
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:19 PM)
if you bring it up to higher ups.. they will be in trouble.
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i belip....it will happen in SG whistling.gif

well..for me i dont care....why not benefit others while itself cant take it biggrin.gif

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if leng lui i will smile and ask jokingly, 'can you give me your number? so when u claim your reward i can share it too smile.gif '
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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It's a non issue for me. I rather have a hardworking individual benefit from my purchase than have that "benefit" returned to big business.

You may want to have a reality check on what you deem as being "charitable".
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:18 PM)
do you rage when ppl dun gip you 5sen cos they no change?  biggrin.gif
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some they dont give me the 5 sen, some they give me 10sen instead. so got give and take la.. in the end, u dont really gain or lose any.

i paling touched this one cashier at subway, total item is RM10.20, i dont have coins, so she say RM10 is ok ady. i terharu liao.. cry.gif
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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:21 PM)
i belip....it will happen in SG whistling.gif

well..for me i dont care....why not benefit others will itself cant take it biggrin.gif
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yeah cos i was in pharmacy and they say wah all your points wasted.. get the reward card la.. then i ask them if they have card they are welcome to use. but they dem sked and say kenot la.. then some aunty behind go pandai pandai offer n pass her card to the front.. sweat.gif
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post Aug 15 2013, 10:23 PM

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tak kesah juga la...i always see that kind of practice in oil station...

nak komplen pun tak gune..dah mmg kita takde so-called reward card..

but i do have bonus link..so i just go where bonus link card applies..
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:21 PM)
some they dont give me the 5 sen, some they give me 10sen instead. so got give and take la.. in the end, u dont really gain or lose any.

i paling touched this one cashier at subway, total item is RM10.20, i dont have coins, so she say RM10 is ok ady. i terharu liao.. cry.gif
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QUOTE(Quasi-Suave @ Aug 15 2013, 02:21 PM)
It's a non issue for me. I rather have a hardworking individual benefit from my purchase than have that "benefit" returned to big business.

You may want to have a reality check on what you deem as being "charitable".
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i know exactly what charitable means, and how the whole voluntary nature forms the crucial difference between it and being strong armed to do so.
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only happen in shell station ( worker not honest at all )
give him my card , he go swipe his card at counter. kNN

Always ask for receipt.
I dont mind if i forget bring my card he collect the point.


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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:22 PM)
yeah cos i was in pharmacy and they say wah all your points wasted.. get the reward card la.. then i ask them if they have card they are welcome to use. but they dem sked and say kenot la.. then some aunty behind go pandai pandai offer n pass her card to the front..  sweat.gif
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maybe the company got setup rules/policy biggrin.gif
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I dont feel anything, most of the time when that situation come... Sorry to say, most probably youre a cheapskate...
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QUOTE(Quasi-Suave @ Aug 15 2013, 10:21 PM)
It's a non issue for me. I rather have a hardworking individual benefit from my purchase than have that "benefit" returned to big business.

You may want to have a reality check on what you deem as being "charitable".
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the problem is i do notice the card is well worn from thousands of swipe.. it could be the station owners card earning dem alot of points.. then how? brows.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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u forgot to bring your card, they just making the best out of it la. Chill la bro, it's not as if you can get it back after that. Biar la people nak cari makan
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 15 2013, 02:24 PM)
the problem is i do notice the card is well worn from thousands of swipe.. it could be the station owners card earning dem alot of points.. then how?  brows.gif
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this is exactly what i'm griping at. lagi2 muka ketat yang tak reti nak senyum.
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prepare to work part time as cashier liao, brb
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:18 PM)
did you miss the difference between stealing and charity?

charity is by choice. getting your selipar stolen at the mosque would force you to just give up and sedekah the selipar. sedekah is by choice, not by force.
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There is a story where this kedai makan charged this poor traveller for even smelling his food
They argue, the the wise man came. The wise man heard both story and asked the poor traveller his life saving money. With just 3 coin, wise man hold his palm and began to shake it, which produce noise as coin collide with each other. He told the kedai makan owner whther he heard the sound, yes he said. That is the fair payment for someone smelling a food.
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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Aug 15 2013, 02:25 PM)
u forgot to bring your card, they just making the best out of it la. Chill la bro, it's not as if you can get it back after that. Biar la people nak cari makan
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cari makan cara yang halal bro. bukan makan tempias titik peluh orang lain.
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no, i dont. i find ur kiamsiapness.... disturbing.

wuts wrong with it?

if u hv the card (forgoten to bring) n she swipe hers, u blame the cashier

if u dun hv the card, u blame her for swiping her card

she manade steal from u? its ur fault. man it n move on la.

same like some race,

if they lazy, blame the pendatang

tak boleh berak, blame the floor hard
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If u have discount card, would u give other people to use your card for awhile? Just asking..
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small small thing like this also wanna calculate?

they gain abit only while you have nothing to lose for it
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QUOTE(boyot @ Aug 15 2013, 02:26 PM)
There is a story where this kedai makan charged this poor traveller for even smelling his food
They argue, the the wise man came. The wise man heard both story and asked the poor traveller his life saving money. With just 3 coin, wise man hold his palm and began to shake it, which produce noise as coin collide with each other. He told the kedai makan owner whther he heard the sound, yes he said. That is the fair payment for someone smelling a food.
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OMG i insaf already from that story...
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I think people's generosity will dwindle when they found out some of these cashier managed to "cash in" rm3k worth of redeemed stuff from such action.

Same like giving 50 sen to beggar. Those who question such action gets dissed and labelled as "cheapskate" (50 sen oso berkira ?) . When news report said these beggar actually earned more than them salaryworker ..... all starts to butthurt. LOL.

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:20 PM)
they dun tell.. i also rage and say no 5sen your problem la.. gip me back 10sen..  laugh.gif  then she black face..lol..
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Don't mind if I didn't bring my card

But I expect the cashier to be more friendly...smile and greet more
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:27 PM)
no, i dont. i find ur kiamsiapness.... disturbing.

wuts wrong with it?

if u hv the card (forgoten to bring) n she swipe hers, u blame the cashier

if u dun hv the card, u blame her for swiping her card

she manade steal from u? its ur fault. man it n move on la.

same like some race,

if they lazy, blame the pendatang

tak boleh berak, blame the floor hard
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no card/forgot bring card,they swipe,u butthurt?your own fault. don't be cheap la. RM10 purchase you think they got RM10 worth of points?less than 2% I think. want points?bring/get your own damn card. simple
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i kena many times by bangla at petrol kiosk, then i wonder to myself and have this mind boggling thought of wondering what are they going to purchase with all that points which is such a mystery to me!!!
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actually they swipe for their boss.. lol! employee didnt at anything in the end...
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overseas, the cashier swipe hers so i get the member price on some items.. so it's win win
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:20 PM)
i find the "tak apa" attitude in this thread unnerving.
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I'm the one who shares your view biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:26 PM)
cari makan cara yang halal bro. bukan makan tempias titik peluh orang lain.
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you can take a raincheck for those points anyway. Yes la, x baik but nobody loses anything after all
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

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have a big heart sir, don't be like certain people, all things so stingy and want to complain.
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QUOTE(mazwan182 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:29 PM)
no card/forgot bring card,they swipe,u butthurt?your own fault. don't be cheap la. RM10 purchase you think they got RM10 worth of points?less than 2% I think. want points?bring/get your own damn card. simple
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QUOTE(D-Frog @ Aug 15 2013, 10:28 PM)
Inb4 every cent counts
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next time your franchise restaurant ar.. if customer pay cash, pls swipe your personal CC to get points n benefit.. .. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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then file a complain
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QUOTE(tropicanagolf @ Aug 15 2013, 10:29 PM)
overseas, the cashier swipe hers so i get the member price on some items.. so it's win win
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win win instead of major butthurtness rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(Nyan^Nyan @ Aug 15 2013, 10:29 PM)
actually they swipe for their boss.. lol! employee didnt at anything in the end...
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yeah.. doubt the employee dare to pull it off themselves.. got CCTV shining on their face 24/7
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 02:27 PM)
no, i dont. i find ur kiamsiapness.... disturbing.

wuts wrong with it?

if u hv the card (forgoten to bring) n she swipe hers, u blame the cashier

if u dun hv the card, u blame her for swiping her card

she manade steal from u? its ur fault. man it n move on la.

same like some race,

if they lazy, blame the pendatang

tak boleh berak, blame the floor hard
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QUOTE(EthanWong @ Aug 15 2013, 02:27 PM)
small small thing like this also wanna calculate?

they gain abit only while you have nothing to lose for it
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shall i provide the maths for you?

each RM1 spent usually accumulates to 1 point. and 1 point usually is valued at about 1sen (in reward). if u fill up petrol of RM100, that's worth RM1 in reward points. if we take a rough estimate of 100 person spending that much but not claiming, they will earn RM100 worth of reward points per day. that's RM3,000 of reward points per month.

yes, malaysia is so charitable. good for us.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:20 PM)
i find the "tak apa" attitude in this thread unnerving.
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Aug 15 2013, 10:28 PM)
I think people's generosity will dwindle when they found out some of these cashier managed to "cash in" rm3k worth of  redeemed stuff from such action.

Same like giving 50 sen to beggar. Those who question such action gets dissed and labelled as "cheapskate" (50 sen oso berkira ?) . When news report said these beggar actually earned more than them salaryworker .....  all starts to butthurt. LOL.
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wuts wrong with that?

if u hv the card (forgoten to bring) n she swipe hers, u blame the cashier. padahal its ur fault

if u dun hv the card, u blame her for swiping her card. which IS ur fault too

she cash in that amount, is her effort la. ppl put in the effort to cari makan, not like some race, cannot cari makan blame the world
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Aug 15 2013, 10:28 PM)
I think people's generosity will dwindle when they found out some of these cashier managed to "cash in" rm3k worth of  redeemed stuff from such action.

Same like giving 50 sen to beggar. Those who question such action gets dissed and labelled as "cheapskate" (50 sen oso berkira ?) . When news report said these beggar actually earned more than them salaryworker .....  all starts to butthurt. LOL.
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nothing wrong IMO. even if they managed to redeem a luxury car or wtv from those transactions, i would be happy for them.

in fact, the cashier should be praised for thinking outside the box to achieve betterment of themselves.

unless you're saying that the cashier used his/her card instead of mine then I have every reason to be not pleased.
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last time got aunty que behind me ask me to swipe for her since i got no card,... i just give lar..
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next time your franchise restaurant ar.. if customer pay cash, pls swipe your personal CC to get points n benefit.. ..  laugh.gif
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last time got aunty que behind me ask me to swipe for her since i got no card,... i just give lar..
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:31 PM)
shall i provide the maths for you?

each RM1 spent usually accumulates to 1 point. and 1 point usually is valued at about 1sen (in reward). if u fill up petrol of RM100, that's worth RM1 in reward points. if we take a rough estimate of 100 person spending that much but not claiming, they will earn RM100 worth of reward points per day. that's RM3,000 of reward points per month.

yes, malaysia is so charitable. good for us.
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indeed the cashier gets the free money but MANY allowed it to happen, wuts wrong with u? u do ur right to stop it, dah la

not like some race, lazy but blame the world
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Yes, imagine the amount of points I will obtain laugh.gif
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:31 PM)
wuts wrong with that?

if u hv the card (forgoten to bring) n she swipe hers, u blame the cashier. padahal its ur fault

if u dun hv the card, u blame her for swiping her card. which IS ur fault too

she cash in that amount, is her effort la. ppl put in the effort to cari makan, not like some race, cannot cari makan blame the world
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if u are cainis, and u open tered like this, hangus la.
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have a big heart sir, don't be like certain people, all things so stingy and want to complain.
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thanks. jom minum. i got reward points to share.
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i find the "tak apa" attitude in this thread unnerving.
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Personally, I don't mind if they do it, especially if they ask nicely. Of course, its totally understandable how you wouldn't accept such behavior. I suppose how you see it as stealing, I see it as taking what I don't need. In fact, I'm more inclined that my purchased can be exchanged to points regardless of whoever gets it, because its such a waste to leave the benefit to the big company like Aeon, bonuslink affliates, etc.

I once worked as a cashier at Ampang Point back when they launched the BonusLink card wayt back in the 1990s. Of course not many customers knew about it first, and majority of the sales staff already had their own and were eager to start cashing in on the points using their customer's purchases. While most of the sales promoter openly ask their customers if its okay to use their bonuslink card seeing that they don't have it yet, some sales assistant were quitely swiping the card behind the cashier's back. Of course situations incurred where agitated customers claimed they couldn't use their bonuslink card because its already been redeemed.

So the management gave out memos to us cashiers to never accept salesperson's bonuslink card. That shows that such actions doesn't forebode well with the management nor to some customers such as yourself. I think its a clear violations even in any membership card to redeem points on purchases not made by the owner of the card. So in terms of regulations, your stand is totally legit.
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at shell, u cant swipe 1 bonuslink card for more than 3 transaction. but u can use the same card at other station. this is to prevent this type of issue.
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if u dn't have the card, of course they will swipe their own
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else the card company will know someone is misusing it
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 02:34 PM)
indeed the cashier gets the free money but MANY allowed it to happen, wuts wrong with u? u do ur right to stop it, dah la

not like some race, lazy but blame the world
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i am that some race. dont vroom here, coz i'll vroom back.

it's wrong, and i'm trying to rally the thoughts of good people in /k/. it seems that everyone is okay with it. which might mean general malaysians are also okay with it.

it's like alanyuppie said, if u donate 50sen to a beggar, nobody'll complain. but when u heard the beggar made RM3k per month just by begging, u'll be the first to be annoyed.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:31 PM)
shall i provide the maths for you?

each RM1 spent usually accumulates to 1 point. and 1 point usually is valued at about 1sen (in reward). if u fill up petrol of RM100, that's worth RM1 in reward points. if we take a rough estimate of 100 person spending that much but not claiming, they will earn RM100 worth of reward points per day. that's RM3,000 of reward points per month.

yes, malaysia is so charitable. good for us.
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is there any wrong in that?

it's like saying you manage to create something useful out of stuff you found in other's trashcan.

if you managed to do that, would those folks who threw those stuff away supposed to be angry at you?

typical third world country mindset. if others are better then go all jealous and sad. if you're better than others then showoff & brag non-stop
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:23 PM)
i know exactly what charitable means, and how the whole voluntary nature forms the crucial difference between it and being strong armed to do so.
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May I ask, why do you feel slighted/strong armed?

As I see it, your rights were not highjacked in any way. You had first right of refusal. At the end of the day, you do not suffer any loss.

Sure, the way the service staff go about it is pretty sneaky, but when I think about it, I'm actually glad to be on the other side of the counter.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:31 PM)
yeah.. doubt the employee dare to pull it off themselves.. got CCTV shining on their face 24/7
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i dont think bangla at shell can apply bonuslink ..lol! but nvm ..let ppl dream with how generous they are ... it makes them feel better ... life is hard these days...

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Most likely you are cheapskate to even donate and you wanted to feel charitable without giving them a cent
Do you also rage if cat eat your dropped food on the floor?
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Aug 15 2013, 02:34 PM)
Personally, I don't mind if they do it, especially if they ask nicely. Of course, its totally understandable how you wouldn't accept such behavior. I suppose how you see it as stealing, I see it as taking what I don't need. In fact, I'm more inclined that my purchased can be exchanged to points regardless of whoever gets it, because its such a waste to leave the benefit to the big company like Aeon, bonuslink affliates, etc.

I once worked as a cashier at Ampang Point back when they launched the BonusLink card wayt back in the 1990s. Of course not many customers knew about it first, and majority of the sales staff already had their own and were eager to start cashing in on the points using their customer's purchases. While most of the sales promoter openly ask their customers if its okay to use their bonuslink card seeing that they don't have it yet, some sales assistant were quitely swiping the card behind the cashier's back. Of course situations incurred where agitated customers claimed they couldn't use their bonuslink card because its already been redeemed.

So the management gave out memos to us cashiers to never accept salesperson's bonuslink card. That shows that such actions doesn't forebode well with the management nor to some customers such as yourself. I think its a clear violations even in any membership card to redeem points on purchases not made by the owner of the card. So in terms of regulations, your stand is totally legit.
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have a big heart sir, don't be like certain people, all things so stingy and want to complain.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:36 PM)
i am that some race. dont vroom here, coz i'll vroom back.

it's wrong, and i'm trying to rally the thoughts of good people in /k/. it seems that everyone is okay with it. which might mean general malaysians are also okay with it.

it's like alanyuppie said, if u donate 50sen to a beggar, nobody'll complain. but when u heard the beggar made RM3k per month just by begging, u'll be the first to be annoyed.
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probably only you who'll be annoyed

to me if a beggar managed to earn a substantial amount just by collecting other's lose change, I'll be impressed with Mr. Beggar and would admire his hardwork & dedication.
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QUOTE(shacz @ Aug 15 2013, 10:34 PM)
at shell, u cant swipe 1 bonuslink card for more than 3 transaction. but u can use the same card at other station. this is to prevent this type of issue.
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Yup, my friend who worked at Shell Station last time say no matter how many points you get for swiping multiple times , every month end when statement comes, the points are cut off.
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Most of petrol pump do this.
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Yup, my friend who worked at Shell Station last time say no matter how many points you get for swiping multiple times , every month end when statement comes, the points are cut off.
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but now if swipe more than 3 times, it will show amount exceeded at EDC device. cool2.gif

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Cerita lama aku time pergi Jusco dulu.

Awek Cashier: Abang, item ni kalau pakai J-Card ada diskaun. Abang pun dapat point. Abang ada J-Card tak?

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Awek Cashier: *usha line* Saya pakaikan J-Card saya ye bang. Abang dapat diskaun. smile.gif

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if someone is doing this, that means their wage is shit. pity pipul la
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I cannot let somebody earn what I didn't earn.
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dei...he dint steal la

if u give him your card and he dint swipe yours and swiped he 1 instead then can consider steal sweat.gif
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they should ask customer if its ok to swipe their own card first

but i dont mind if they dont...

tak kesah sangat...

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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:48 PM)
u see, typical melayoo.

they even wanna remove the right to work hard n enjoy their fruit. they expect others to work hard n serve them on a silver platter.

if the begger is good at beggin, then its his spoil la.. u know he earns much from beggin, then dun donate la...

melayoo ni, so damn 79 kepoh nih... if they can focus their energy in improving themselves, we cainis need to balik caina la.. but for now....

there were alot of job available in malaya, but.....

british brings in cainis for mining

johor bring in cainis for PLANTATION!!!!

wut the fark r malays good for?!

when other toil n enjoy their fruit, all mata merah like c!ba!.... rape n cull the cainis. present history n past history has proven summore.
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I usually ask them to use their cards if I don't have mine or one.

Only in Australia have the person replied they can't do that, because it is a felony and they can lose their job! haha..

Malaysian usually swipes it or politely declines. Oh well..
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shell cashier earn lots of bonuslink points.. does bonuslink didnt notice the unusual bonus earning on the same petrol pump? i mean everyday the cashier earns lots of point on the single petrol pump station..
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i think this shouldnt be an issue..because we have no tipping culture in our society..the salary still so low...unlike those western country its common to give tips to the bellboy, servicemen, waitress etc.
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:48 PM)
u see, typical melayoo.

they even wanna remove the right to work hard n enjoy their fruit. they expect others to work hard n serve them on a silver platter.

if the begger is good at beggin, then its his spoil la.. u know he earns much from beggin, then dun donate la...

melayoo ni, so damn 79 kepoh nih... if they can focus their energy in improving themselves, we cainis need to balik caina la.. but for now....

there were alot of job available in malaya, but.....

british brings in cainis for mining

johor bring in cainis for PLANTATION!!!!

wut the fark r malays good for?!

when other toil n enjoy their fruit, all mata merah like c!ba!.... rape n cull the cainis. present history n past history has proven summore.
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Will quote this as proof of as an act sedition
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:48 PM)
u see, typical melayoo.

they even wanna remove the right to work hard n enjoy their fruit. they expect others to work hard n serve them on a silver platter.

if the begger is good at beggin, then its his spoil la.. u know he earns much from beggin, then dun donate la...

melayoo ni, so damn 79 kepoh nih... if they can focus their energy in improving themselves, we cainis need to balik caina la.. but for now....

there were alot of job available in malaya, but.....

british brings in cainis for mining

johor bring in cainis for PLANTATION!!!!

wut the fark r malays good for?!

when other toil n enjoy their fruit, all mata merah like c!ba!.... rape n cull the cainis. present history n past history has proven summore.
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Will quote this as proof of as an act sedition
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its all facts here.

stating the facts oso buntut sakit?
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its all facts here.

stating the facts oso buntut sakit?
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 02:48 PM)
u see, typical melayoo.

they even wanna remove the right to work hard n enjoy their fruit. they expect others to work hard n serve them on a silver platter.

if the begger is good at beggin, then its his spoil la.. u know he earns much from beggin, then dun donate la...

melayoo ni, so damn 79 kepoh nih... if they can focus their energy in improving themselves, we cainis need to balik caina la.. but for now....

there were alot of job available in malaya, but.....

british brings in cainis for mining

johor bring in cainis for PLANTATION!!!!

wut the fark r malays good for?!

when other toil n enjoy their fruit, all mata merah like c!ba!.... rape n cull the cainis. present history n past history has proven summore.
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i told you not to vroom here.
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QUOTE(mazwan182 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:59 PM)
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QUOTE(motionhorn @ Aug 15 2013, 10:54 PM)
shell cashier earn lots of bonuslink points.. does bonuslink didnt notice the unusual bonus earning on the same petrol pump? i mean everyday the cashier earns lots of point on the single petrol pump station..
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They do. Usually they either have a few cards to rotate, or do it once every few days.

Last time my father quite good relationship with a station owner, then he give our card to the owner ask him swipe. The boss gungho do it everyday, sometimes few times a day until the bonuslink fella's called and as for proof of purchase. We can't show they cancel all the points doh.gif
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:57 PM)
its all facts here.

stating the facts oso buntut sakit?
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Aug 15 2013, 11:00 PM)
They do. Usually they either have a few cards to rotate, or do it once every few days.

Last time my father quite good relationship with a station owner, then he give our card to the owner ask him swipe. The boss gungho do it everyday, sometimes few times a day until the bonuslink fella's called and as for proof of purchase. We can't show they cancel all the points  doh.gif
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:01 PM)
oh for this poor cashier STILL can produce the proof, i supposed?
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Cash maybe. Those using card cannot because they have name and card num there. Once in a while, it wont raise suspicion and won't get caught. That's what I think. But daily definitely will trigger bonuslink people..
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:54 PM)
I usually ask them to use their cards if I don't have mine or one.

Only in Australia have the person replied they can't do that, because it is a felony and they can lose their job! haha..

Malaysian usually swipes it or politely declines. Oh well..
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QUOTE(tropicanagolf @ Aug 15 2013, 11:02 PM)
woah u klang chau ah beng, can u watch your lala mouth
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QUOTE(EthanWong @ Aug 15 2013, 10:37 PM)
is there any wrong in that?

it's like saying you manage to create something useful out of stuff you found in other's trashcan.

if you managed to do that, would those folks who threw those stuff away supposed to be angry at you?

typical third world country mindset. if others are better then go all jealous and sad. if you're better than others then showoff & brag non-stop
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:20 PM)
i find the "tak apa" attitude in this thread unnerving.
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QUOTE(tropicanagolf @ Aug 15 2013, 11:03 PM)
i was at NZ and they had the clubcard hanging on their neck by a lanyard lol.. it's acceptable there somehow
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QUOTE(nickisthemost @ Aug 15 2013, 03:05 PM)
so did you gave any 'advice' to the cashier ? or you're a hypocrite ?
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Aug 15 2013, 11:05 PM)
It was at David Jones or the one opposite (or was it the same store but different section?), so maybe they didn't allow those.
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QUOTE(tropicanagolf @ Aug 15 2013, 11:08 PM)
i guess they dont allow, and the cashier probably did it because we bought few hundred worth of grocery.. there's a 5% discount with the card  icon_idea.gif surely the company wouldnt like a default 5% discount for all  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(szaku89 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:04 PM)
bro, mind your words. Nobody forbids charity. Its one's choice yo do or not to do. Wat typical 3rd world country mindset? please look into the mirror first before commenting others with such strong words. your style of reply really gooding...
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:08 PM)
i find its gooding too. they worked for it, then they deserve la. anything wrong?

3rd world mindset like MALAYsial n INDON la... others work hard n enjoy. some pulak mata merah n blame the world.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 03:08 PM)
i find its gooding too. they worked for it, then they deserve la. anything wrong?

3rd world mindset like MALAYsial n INDON la... others work hard n enjoy. some pulak mata merah n blame the world.
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and i dont appreciate it if some idiot tries to skim off some of my hard earned money without my permission.
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TS, actually this has happened to me, and yes I'm pissed too. I did not consent to it, and it is like they're taking advantage of us. I almost went to write the customer suggestion/complain form and took note of her name. Almost. But let her go only that once. If I kena with that cashier again, will surely submit the complain form.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 11:12 PM)
im sorry. i pay particular attention to where the source of my income comes from to ensure it's as halal as possible. that's why i did not become an architect and focus on academia instead.

and i dont appreciate it if some idiot tries to skim off some of my hard earned money without my permission.
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TS can file a complain to the authority (means bonuslink, petronas=kad mesra, tesco=tesco card). Let them know that their staff/distro's staff wrong doing.
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QUOTE(boyot @ Aug 15 2013, 11:13 PM)
Do you also check where the money of your zakat goes to?
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solution dia simple jer... bawalah swipe card anda sendiri kemana jua anda membeli belah. selesailah masaalah anda tersebut. sekian terima kasih.
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Dont care. Let them be. They are already being paid so low
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I somewhat agree with ts. It's a matter of ethics. Not about how much or how little or why so cheapskate.

those replied to ts why so cheapskate bla bla. it's like u're saying it's ok for mat rempit to ignore traffic light, rempit left right as they like, etc. It's ok, coz they poor can only sit kapchai.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 11:12 PM)
im sorry. i pay particular attention to where the source of my income comes from to ensure it's as halal as possible. that's why i did not become an architect and focus on academia instead.

and i dont appreciate it if some idiot tries to skim off some of my hard earned money without my permission.
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the so-called "skim off" is merely less than 2% in a form of points! and u didn't even bring your card!duh!
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Bai...aku tak banyak ada reward card ni tapi bila aku beli barang kat Jusco ke or Cold Storage ke or Tesco ke...kalau barang aku beli lebih dari RM100 and aku takde card or lupa bawak aku akan tanya orang yang queue belakang aku dia ada card tak nak swipe...

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QUOTE(exploda @ Aug 15 2013, 11:15 PM)
I somewhat agree with ts. It's a matter of ethics. Not about how much or how little or why so cheapskate.

those replied to ts why so cheapskate bla bla. it's like u're saying it's ok for mat rempit to ignore traffic light, rempit left right as they like, etc. It's ok, coz they poor can only sit kapchai.
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at least they take the effort to swipe.
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Aug 15 2013, 10:28 PM)
I think people's generosity will dwindle when they found out some of these cashier managed to "cash in" rm3k worth of  redeemed stuff from such action.

Same like giving 50 sen to beggar. Those who question such action gets dissed and labelled as "cheapskate" (50 sen oso berkira ?) . When news report said these beggar actually earned more than them salaryworker .....  all starts to butthurt. LOL.
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It's either the company retains/earn their rm3k worth of stuff or a smart cashier earns their rm3k worth of stuff. You don't get any of it either way, so it isn't really your problem. The points are not yours because you did not claim it.

It's a different case with beggars, because you actually lose something, i.e. 50 cents, and you have a right to berkira..
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As long as the cashiers "remind/ask me for my card first", then it's alright for me that they swipe their own cards if I don't have the card. As simple as that.
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Wah dis simple case oso 7 pages

As for me i will authorize them to use their card coz if i forgot my card, what to do, xde rejekii
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I only got a Bonuslink card a few years ago. Before I got that card, I didn't mind at all if the cashier swiped her own card when I made a purchase. When I forget to bring my card along, just let the cashier swipe the card lah. It's better to let them benefit a bit than to let the points go unclaimed.
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it's one way or the other, either you benefit the staff or the company. you have nothing to lose. imagine how much a cashier earn monthly not inclusive deduction if they shortchange end of the day. some need to top it back themselves. I really do pity them. if you are so calculative why don't you just bring every cards that available for all yours purchases to be swipe?
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Sometimes when the person in front of me forget to bring his Aeon card, I secretly hope he asks me if I wanna use my Aeon card.

There are also times when the person in front of me didn't have a certain privilege card that gives discount, I will offer mine.

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if bonuslink point , i x kesah..

if smiles point, i blame myself lupa bawak card
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QUOTE(MCSH @ Aug 15 2013, 11:18 PM)
As long as the cashiers "remind/ask me for my card first", then it's alright for me that they swipe their own cards if I don't have the card.  As simple as that.
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QUOTE(Clea @ Aug 15 2013, 11:17 PM)
It's either the company retains/earn their rm3k worth of stuff or a smart cashier earns their rm3k worth of stuff. You don't get any of it either way, so it isn't really your problem. The  points are not yours because you did not claim it.

It's a different case with beggars, because you actually lose something, i.e. 50 cents, and you have a right to berkira..
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Complain to manager then.

I'd prefer if they swipe their own credit card.

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kau sedekah jer lar, mana lar cashier tue nak tau ko bagi swipe ker tak. lain lah ko dah halang diaorang swipe jugak, tue baru curi.
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QUOTE(ChaosXP @ Aug 15 2013, 11:21 PM)
Complain to manager then.

I'd prefer if they swipe their own credit card.
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why want to care? unless its at gucci prada store then i will be disgusted as the salesbpeople should have sense of professionalism

if not high end place tak apa la. cheap quality labor so that u can buy things cheaper la.
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So conclusion is.. Malaysians are generous in such a way as long as we didnt lose anything, let others gain (and proudly admit own good deed ) . But $ gained aside, are we causing them to lose something even more precious: for eg. courtesy (to ask before swiping) and integrity (their job scope doesnt include this "rezeki atas angin" im sure). What will happen to them years down the road and what mindset do we cultivate in such people when nobody is there to tegur them ?

Same like driving. sometimes I;m asked by my passenger I bother to use the honk when being cut queue or drivers in front of me do stupid stuff (suddenly make illegal u-turn etc). I LOSE NOTHING actualy.. simply let them do their inconsiderate stunt and I continue on my way would be win-win for all right?

What if nobody honks anymore when they continue to repeat the same thing? Will they ever gets to live another 10 years behaving so (king of the road) thinking their kind of driving are kebal and nobody give a damn to ?

Its more than just "close one eye" and be generous . Do look at the bigger picture pls.

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:20 PM)
i find the "tak apa" attitude in this thread unnerving.
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Most likely you are cheapskate to even donate and you wanted to feel charitable without giving them a cent
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:17 PM)
better than those who have holier than thou mindset.

at least they take the effort to swipe.
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'if i cant have it , then you cant' , this type of mentality very bad shakehead.gif
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I'm very very particular if people do without asking permission, no matter want to borrow your things or even in case like this. Even if the cashier wants to swipe her own card, ask a farking permission first! So hard ah to say? Mana courtesy, mana ethics?! Simply take advantage if people.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 11:12 PM)
im sorry. i pay particular attention to where the source of my income comes from to ensure it's as halal as possible. that's why i did not become an architect and focus on academia instead.

and i dont appreciate it if some idiot tries to skim off some of my hard earned money without my permission.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:18 PM)
do you rage when ppl dun gip you 5sen cos they no change?  biggrin.gif
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If he had said anything, I'd have gladly let it go.
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QUOTE(SKY233 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:20 PM)
if bonuslink point , i x kesah..

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i still think its not ethical for the cashier to do it. Unless if they ask the customer nicely and customer approve then ok lar. it's just common courtesy.
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QUOTE(alwinnng @ Aug 15 2013, 10:28 PM)
Don't mind if I didn't bring my card

But I expect the cashier to be more friendly...smile and greet more
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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come on lar TS..u must be very calculative one..berkira type of person..wonders how ur frens n family feel

knn...pity the minimum wages cashier lar..just benefit from the point instead of just wasted becoz u forgot to bring card..lanpa type of person
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Aug 15 2013, 11:23 PM)
So conclusion is.. Malaysians are generous in such a way as long as we didnt lose anything, let others gain (and proudly admit own good deed ) . But $ gained aside, are we causing them to lose something even more precious: for eg. courtesy (to ask before swiping) and integrity (their job scope doesnt include this "rezeki atas angin" im sure). What will happen to them years down the road and what mindset do we cultivate in such people when nobody is there to tegur them ?

Same like driving. sometimes I;m asked by my passenger I bother to use the honk when being cut queue or drivers in front of me do stupid stuff (suddenly make illegal u-turn etc).  I LOSE NOTHING  actualy.. simply let them do their inconsiderate stunt and I continue on my way would be win-win for all right? 

What if nobody honks anymore when they continue to repeat the same thing? Will they ever gets to live another 10 years behaving so (king of the road) thinking their kind of driving are kebal and nobody give a damn to ?

Its more than just "close one eye" and be generous . Do look at the bigger picture  pls.
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QUOTE(pherac @ Aug 15 2013, 11:29 PM)
This 1 I rage! Once the McD staff gave me change short of 5 cents without saying anything to me, acting like he's not supposed to give me the 5 cents. Don't mind the money but he should apologize about not having the right change, it's my money after all, no matter the amount.
If he had said anything, I'd have gladly let it go.
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it's ok here in malaysia. just see this tered, alot of ppl dun mind being shortchanged behind their backs....then start saying how much the cashier earns bla bla. it's ok.
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QUOTE(wongth7 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:23 PM)
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it is a big issue for. yes it makes me rage
the problem is you cant really do jack shit about it
if im not gaining anything from it, nobody can, not in my expense
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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Aug 15 2013, 11:30 PM)
come on lar TS..u must be very calculative one..berkira type of person..wonders how ur frens n family feel

knn...pity the minimum wages cashier lar..just benefit from the point instead of just wasted becoz u forgot to bring card..lanpa type of person
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so being poor gives them the right to shortchange or take advantage of the situation???? why cant the cashier just ask nicely if they want it?
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This 1 I rage! Once the McD staff gave me change short of 5 cents without saying anything to me, acting like he's not supposed to give me the 5 cents. Don't mind the money but he should apologize about not having the right change, it's my money after all, no matter the amount.
If he had said anything, I'd have gladly let it go.
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yeah if they dun have they have to ask your permission.. not just act like big bos.
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wuts wrong with the gomen?
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QUOTE(exploda @ Aug 15 2013, 11:31 PM)
it's ok here in malaysia. just see this tered, alot of ppl dun mind being shortchanged behind their backs....then start saying how much the cashier earns bla bla. it's ok.
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Beginning to think people who say it's ok are not aware of their rights and respect.
They can be generous by choice but it doesn't mean people can't be calculative about the things they're entitled too.
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QUOTE(exploda @ Aug 15 2013, 11:34 PM)
so being poor gives them the right to shortchange or take advantage of the situation???? why cant the cashier just ask nicely if they want it?
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If i drink a can of coke, then i throw the can to dustbin, the homeless took it, do i have to rage at homeless for not asking me whether i want the can back?
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Aug 15 2013, 11:23 PM)
So conclusion is.. Malaysians are generous in such a way as long as we didnt lose anything, let others gain (and proudly admit own good deed ) . But $ gained aside, are we causing them to lose something even more precious: for eg. courtesy (to ask before swiping) and integrity (their job scope doesnt include this "rezeki atas angin" im sure). What will happen to them years down the road and what mindset do we cultivate in such people when nobody is there to tegur them ?

Same like driving. sometimes I;m asked by my passenger I bother to use the honk when being cut queue or drivers in front of me do stupid stuff (suddenly make illegal u-turn etc).  I LOSE NOTHING  actualy.. simply let them do their inconsiderate stunt and I continue on my way would be win-win for all right? 

What if nobody honks anymore when they continue to repeat the same thing? Will they ever gets to live another 10 years behaving so (king of the road) thinking their kind of driving are kebal and nobody give a damn to ?

Its more than just "close one eye" and be generous . Do look at the bigger picture  pls.
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In that case, you are losing something. i.e. a chance at redeeming your points. My case assumes that you already cannot claim your points, as the case with the OP. The cashiers I met always ask me if i have a store card, regardless of how many times i have shopped there and said no each time. They are trained to ask that, and if they don't, and swipe their cards, you have a valid complaint to make, because as i said, you are being deprived of your chance to claim your points.

It is not the same as you giving a warning to dangerous drivers. Dangerous drivers hurt others with their misbehavior. The only entity the cashiers will 'hurt' by doing this is their own company, (and not even so much so because they are already prepared to give those stuff away anyway) and if their company do not bother to form any policies to curb this activity, then it is their problem.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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i experience something similar

but im not so pissed off or mad

i just dont really concern or care bout points,rewards and such
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QUOTE(exploda @ Aug 15 2013, 11:34 PM)
so being poor gives them the right to shortchange or take advantage of the situation???? why cant the cashier just ask nicely if they want it?
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they oready asked u if u HAVE the card.... am i right?
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QUOTE(boyot @ Aug 15 2013, 11:36 PM)
If i drink a can of coke, then i throw the can to dustbin, the homeless took it, do i have to rage at homeless for not asking me whether i want the can back?
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what weird example
people throw UNWANTED things into the garbage bin
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If i drink a can of coke, then i throw the can to dustbin, the homeless took it, do i have to rage at homeless for not asking me whether i want the can back?
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more like if you bought a 6 pack coke. after paying for it, can the cashier dip into your bag and take one can of coke from u without asking?
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QUOTE(Clea @ Aug 15 2013, 11:37 PM)
In that case, you are losing something. i.e. a chance at redeeming your points. My case assumes that you already cannot claim your points, as the case with the OP. The cashiers I met always ask me if i have a store card, regardless of how many times i have shopped there and said no each time. They are trained to ask that, and if they don't, and swipe their cards, you have a valid complaint to make, because as i said, you are being deprived of your chance to claim your points.

It is not the same as you giving a warning to dangerous drivers. Dangerous drivers hurt others with their misbehavior. The only entity the cashiers will 'hurt' by doing this is their own company, (and not even so much so because they are already prepared to give those stuff away anyway) and if their company do not bother to form any policies to curb this activity, then it is their problem.
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A lot of shell staff got fark by me upside down cos i always request for receipt, so if my bonuslink no. didn' appear, then that fella is up to something.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:20 PM)
i find the "tak apa" attitude in this thread unnerving.
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Aiyoo, if you have reward card & they dont swipe yours but swipe theirs then only problem. If you never bring, apa salah, sedekah aje le, not say they makan your money like the 5 cent issue. Life have so many other challenges, if want nick pick on these things long time I kena stroke liao

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QUOTE(boyot @ Aug 15 2013, 11:36 PM)
If i drink a can of coke, then i throw the can to dustbin, the homeless took it, do i have to rage at homeless for not asking me whether i want the can back?
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lol....ur statement really funny and NOT RELEVANT to this topic. I throw away something means i do not want it anymore. anyone else wanna pick it up, it's up to them.
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:37 PM)
they oready asked u if u HAVE the card.... am i right?
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if no is a no. Why can't after that they politely ask, " Sir, may I use my own card then?"

So HARD to ask few words?? Malaysia no more courtesy.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:39 PM)
more like if you bought a 6 pack coke. after paying for it, can the cashier dip into your bag and take one can of coke from u without asking?
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if u cant produce the card at the counter, that can is not YOURS!
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:37 PM)
they oready asked u if u HAVE the card.... am i right?
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just because you don't have the card doesn't mean she can have your points
she should ask next 'do you mind if i swipe my own card for your purchase?'
after all, no purchase no points
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QUOTE(boyot @ Aug 15 2013, 10:17 PM)
Most likely you are cheapskate to even donate and you wanted to feel charitable without giving them a cent
Do you also rage if cat eat your dropped food on the floor?
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QUOTE(pherac @ Aug 15 2013, 11:39 PM)
what weird example
people throw UNWANTED things into the garbage bin
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Just because i dont want the can does not mean that i want anyone to have it either
Since i bought it, i have the right to dispose it without anyone making profit from the things i bought

QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:39 PM)
more like if you bought a 6 pack coke. after paying for it, can the cashier dip into your bag and take one can of coke from u without asking?
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That one steal, be ause u bought 6, then she took become 5

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QUOTE(pherac @ Aug 15 2013, 11:29 PM)
This 1 I rage! Once the McD staff gave me change short of 5 cents without saying anything to me, acting like he's not supposed to give me the 5 cents. Don't mind the money but he should apologize about not having the right change, it's my money after all, no matter the amount.
If he had said anything, I'd have gladly let it go.
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I absolutely agree with you. The best part is that person is so offended when the customer asks for the missing change. blink.gif
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:41 PM)
if u cant produce the card at the counter, that can is not YOURS!
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the points is tied to your purchase. simple as that. if they can separate the points gained to their card from what is shown on your receipt. then by all means. smile.gif

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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:19 PM)
gua tak kesah pun.. daripada points tu sesia je tak pegi kat sapa2..

anggap la sedekah, dapat pahala.. buka thread camni, hilang pahala tu..
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QUOTE(pherac @ Aug 15 2013, 11:41 PM)
just because you don't have the card doesn't mean she can have your points
she should ask next 'do you mind if i swipe my own card for your purchase?'
after all, no purchase no points
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u hv ur energy n effort on this petty issue... omg... bulat2 like malaysian politician.

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QUOTE(exploda @ Aug 15 2013, 11:41 PM)
lol....ur statement really funny and NOT RELEVANT to this topic. I throw away something means i do not want it anymore. anyone else wanna pick it up, it's up to them.
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That is your perspective
You throw it away and dont want it anymore is your problem and tak apa attitude
There might be someone out there open a thread blabbering how one does not making a profit for something he bought at first
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QUOTE(boyot @ Aug 15 2013, 11:42 PM)

That one steal, be ause u bought 6, then she took become 5
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so it's right.. the cashier steal your points.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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If you want to have both benefits situation , let them help you pump the petrol and you give him swipe the card.

Actually , do you know how many points to get those rewards , sweat.gif if you see the catalog , it takes up to 10,000 to get an umbrella or something at the similar price.Which means you need to pump for 10k.

If you fell you wanted the points , just apply for the reward card and ask them swipe for you.
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:44 PM)
u hv ur energy n effort on this petty issue... omg... bulat2 like malaysian politician.

all the same!
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walao eh. no wonder Malaysia 3rd world country, you are supporting people with no ethics and courtesy in their work. Reflect back and think about this.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:45 PM)
so it's right.. the cashier steal your points.
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It is a steal if you loss something you bought
In this case, you bought without bring the card. Whether she took it or not, you still lost
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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Aug 15 2013, 11:40 PM)
Aiyoo, if you have reward card & they dont swipe yours but swipe theirs then only problem. If you never bring, apa salah, sedekah aje le, not say they makan your money like the 5 cent issue. Life have so many other challenges, if want nick pick on these things long time I kena stroke liao
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elo bradder, bukan kita tak nak bagi. Kalau nak, tanya lar. Apa salah nak tanya customer? Budi bahasa is both ways bradder, not from the more fortunate or richer to the less fortunate ones. sick logic u all haf.

by the way, the 7-11 near my hse sometimes not enough change for me but they will tell me and show me the register. sometimes 5cents, 10cents. If like this they inform me nicely then i dun care lar. later if they take the change and pocket themselves also i dun care coz they were ethical enuf to inform me in the first place.
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QUOTE(hirano @ Aug 15 2013, 11:41 PM)
if no is a no. Why can't after that they politely ask, " Sir, may I use my own card then?"

So HARD to ask few words?? Malaysia no more courtesy.
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technically, they can bypass u n u have the right to record all this n present to their management.

1) u have no right over these points
2) they dun have either

courtesy? when u have 1km of queue n u want to talk about courtesy.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:20 PM)
they dun tell.. i also rage and say no 5sen your problem la.. gip me back 10sen..  laugh.gif  then she black face..lol..
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A lot of times they pretend no 5 sen. I just keep quiet. 10 sen pun happen b4. I think they take. One day can kumpul RM1 in 30 days extra RM30. Takpe lah their salary so low. They all bukan polis,senang2 je nak songlap. Just hide behind some bushes.

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QUOTE(boyot @ Aug 15 2013, 11:42 PM)
Just because i dont want the can does not mean that i want anyone to have it either
Since i bought it, i have the right to dispose it without anyone making profit from the things i bought
That one steal, be ause u bought 6, then she took become 5
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I'm sorry when you clearly give up your ownership by throwing it into the dustbin, other people can have it
not having the card doesn't mean other people can have it, you could have let the customer behind you have the points, why would cashier assume she has the right to these points?

if she asks and you let her swipe, you give her your points
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There is a case outside of the country where a banker round figured the deposits of each of the bank's customers, and add those few cents from each customer to his own account.

Become a millionaire in jail.
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QUOTE(TheOwl @ Aug 15 2013, 11:47 PM)
A lot of times they pretend no 5 sen. I just keep quiet. 10 sen pun happen b4. I think they take. One day can kumpul RM1 in 30 days extra RM30. Takpe lah their salary so low. They all bukan polis,senang2 je nak songlap. Just hide behind some bushes.
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acterly i also dun mind, but they have to learn manners.. want to take or no change, ask for permission.
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Actually most people fail to see the point here and accuse TS of being a cheapskate.

Reward cards / programme is meant to reward loyal / returning customers. In any case, if the customer forget to bring their card or do not have one, participating merchant should not help themselves with the reward points. It would be unfair to other consumers in that case because the merchant would accumulate a lot points.

Also think of this - you own a business and you want to reward your customer with freebies when they shop at other merchants. Customer is not interested in your freebie, does that mean participating merchant have the right to keep it? Would you be happy if the merchant jolly away with your gift which is meant to be given to the customer?

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Ideal situation is the cashier ask your permission.
But in Malaysia, meh. Based on who I am, I already know what to expect la.
If they really ask me this question, I think the sky will turn green.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:48 PM)
acterly i also dun mind, but they have to learn manners.. want to take or no change, ask for permission.
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wha isn't yours isn't yours until you are given the permission to have it
but family different story tongue.gif
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QUOTE(pherac @ Aug 15 2013, 11:48 PM)
I'm sorry when you clearly give up your ownership by throwing it into the dustbin, other people can have it
not having the card doesn't mean other people can have it, you could have let the customer behind you have the points, why would cashier assume she has the right to these points?

if she asks and you let her swipe, you give her your points
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Who say i give up the can after throwing it? I still have the receipt, so whether he like it or not, its still my property
If i throw babies inside dustbin, does the ownership change to those who find?
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i think in general it's not about how much it's worth, it's about the idea of respect, just like someone knock you down and didn't say sorry

the best solution is probably enforcing the policy to ask customer whether it's ok to swipe which most people would agree to do so

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macam ni la TS, len kali apply semua kad points. jusco card, mesra card, bonuslink, bcardm etc. and bawak dlm wallet. kalau xde kad, mintak kad org belakang. org belakang pun happy, u pun happy. balik rumah boleh lawan pedang.
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QUOTE(pherac @ Aug 15 2013, 11:50 PM)
so true..people really need to learn to respect
wha isn't yours isn't yours until you are given the permission to have it
but family different story  tongue.gif
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if u guys work as a cashier,i think u guys will do the same whistling.gif
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:47 PM)
technically, they can bypass u n u have the right to record all this n present to their management.

1) u have no right over these points
2) they dun have either

courtesy? when u have 1km of queue n u want to talk about courtesy.
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why wud u say we have no rights over the points? the points was generated based on whose purchase? who paid the money?

1km queue normally due to idiot cashiers busy talking among themselves rather than attending to customers promptly.

dun believe? goto the petronas near UPM. see how they work.
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did you do/say anything or you just come here and open a thread?laugh.gif

I don't consider those points "mine", and I don't mind them taking it. It would be nice if they ask, but I wouldn't rage over it if they don't.
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:21 PM)
some they dont give me the 5 sen, some they give me 10sen instead. so got give and take la.. in the end, u dont really gain or lose any.

i paling touched this one cashier at subway, total item is RM10.20, i dont have coins, so she say RM10 is ok ady. i terharu liao.. cry.gif
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Maybe you handsome. Once a lady cashier at Esso paid for my RM2+ drink. I was so embarrassed and sked I tak berani balik tempat yg sama. Maybe she was trying to tackle me haha

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QUOTE(nickisthemost @ Aug 15 2013, 11:51 PM)
i think in general it's not about how much it's worth, it's about the idea of respect, just like someone knock you down and didn't say sorry

the best solution is probably enforcing the policy to ask customer whether it's ok to swipe which most people would agree to do so
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yeap, respect is something malaysians are lacking these days. like how when the lift door opens, some ppl just rush in before letting the ppl in the lift go out. shiatz.
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QUOTE(TheOwl @ Aug 15 2013, 11:53 PM)
Maybe you handsome. Once a lady cashier at Esso paid for my RM2+ drink. I was so embarrassed and sked I tak berani balik tempat yg sama. Maybe she was trying to tackle me haha
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you mean to imply you are handsome izzit? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(boyot @ Aug 15 2013, 11:50 PM)
Who say i give up the can after throwing it? I still have the receipt, so whether he like it or not, its still my property
If i throw babies inside dustbin, does the ownership change to those who find?
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haha if you wanna argue about what each gesture means, take it to the court please
everything has a specific scenario, I'm trying my best to make them relate in the way I see it
if you think everything can be generalised using 1 scenario, we do not need lawyerd
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oops double post, my bad
anyway some people dont care about being respected, so they probably don't care much respecting people as well
3rd world thinking is bad

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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 15 2013, 11:49 PM)
Actually most people fail to see the point here and accuse TS of being a cheapskate.

Reward cards / programme is meant to reward loyal / returning customers. In any case, if the customer forget to bring their card or do not have one, participating merchant should not help themselves with the reward points. It would be unfair to other consumers in that case because the merchant would accumulate a lot points.

Also think of this - you own a business and you want to reward your customer with freebies when they shop at other merchants. Customer is not interested in your freebie, does that mean participating merchant have the right to keep it? Would you be happy if the merchant jolly away with your gift which is meant to be given to the customer?
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customers can write in but how many did that?

company can audit but how many did that?

company can implement the policy but do they do that?

then?

everyone is so 79 lazy to do anything.

company that doesnt implement this policy expect customer to complain. the question is, does the customer owe them anything for the complain? no

then there is this customer who make a fuss but some lazy to complain to the company. does the company owe u anything? no

nobody owes anybody anything!
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Those bangla n foreigner workers swiping their reward cards. Let say using esso smile reward card. I customers bought rm30 of petrol, this bangla swipe his card got 30 points. 1 day if 100 customers already got 3000 points. Can redeem rm45 of ron 95.
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Maybe you handsome. Once a lady cashier at Esso paid for my RM2+ drink. I was so embarrassed and sked I tak berani balik tempat yg sama. Maybe she was trying to tackle me haha
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haha.. i dont care if you're an elite or what..
i found that your behavior is very childish..
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there are written and unwritten rules
there are common sense as well...
i see u has none..
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 15 2013, 11:49 PM)
Actually most people fail to see the point here and accuse TS of being a cheapskate.

Reward cards / programme is meant to reward loyal / returning customers. In any case, if the customer forget to bring their card or do not have one, participating merchant should not help themselves with the reward points. It would be unfair to other consumers in that case because the merchant would accumulate a lot points.

Also think of this - you own a business and you want to reward your customer with freebies when they shop at other merchants. Customer is not interested in your freebie, does that mean participating merchant have the right to keep it? Would you be happy if the merchant jolly away with your gift which is meant to be given to the customer?
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That's why the business must explicitly state if they do not want the cashiers to claim points based on the consumer purchases, and if they fail to do so, it is their problem and their loss. It isn't fair to the business itself, not the customer.

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elo bradder, bukan kita tak nak bagi. Kalau nak, tanya lar. Apa salah nak tanya customer? Budi bahasa is both ways bradder, not from the more fortunate or richer to the less fortunate ones. sick logic u all haf.

by the way, the 7-11 near my hse sometimes not enough change for me but they will tell me and show me the register. sometimes 5cents, 10cents. If like this they inform me nicely then i dun care lar. later if they take the change and pocket themselves also i dun care coz they were ethical enuf to inform me in the first place.
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Now you talking about the 5 cent issue or reward points issue? 5 cent issue I mind, means makan my money, I will ask them give product worth 5 cent. Reward point tak kisah cos if dont swipe at that time, gone already, cannot come back later claim.
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QUOTE(exploda @ Aug 15 2013, 11:52 PM)
why wud u say we have no rights over the points? the points was generated based on whose purchase? who paid the money?

1km queue normally due to idiot cashiers busy talking among themselves rather than attending to customers promptly.

dun believe? goto the petronas near UPM. see how they work.
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based on those customers who can produce the card at the counter, so happened ur not the one!
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he implying he is 10x more handsome than me. becos i only got 20sen, but he got rm2.
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Where are you, Prof azarimy? Dah tidur?

Kesian Prof kena teruk dari /k/tards ehh? sad.gif
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QUOTE(ohmlawx @ Aug 15 2013, 11:55 PM)
Those bangla n foreigner workers swiping their reward cards. Let say using esso smile reward card. I customers bought rm30 of petrol, this bangla swipe his card got 30 points. 1 day if 100 customers already got 3000 points. Can redeem rm45 of ron 95.
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i think in general it's not about how much it's worth, it's about the idea of respect, just like someone knock you down and didn't say sorry

the best solution is probably enforcing the policy to ask customer whether it's ok to swipe which most people would agree to do so
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pretty sad direction we are going.
an ad to teach people to wash hands, and ad to tell people how to drink milk, a policy to enforce common courtesy. laugh.gif

in the end, we can't force respect and common courtesy.
It's best to no longer frequent an establishment we consider disrespectful or report to their manager. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:55 PM)
customers can write in but how many did that?

company can audit but how many did that?

company can implement the policy but do they do that?

then?

everyone is so 79 lazy to do anything.

company that doesnt implement this policy expect customer to complain. the question is, does the customer owe them anything for the complain? no

then there is this customer who make a fuss but some lazy to complain to the company. does the company owe u anything? no

nobody owes anybody anything!
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yes they don't owe customers anything
people talking about respect and work ethics here, it has no monetary value whatsoever
the customers are nice enough to let it go without an official complaint, they're actually nice people also mah
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That one not call stealing lorr... but for me, i dont mind they used it because it can benefit them when i didnt had the chances. Most of them only earn a few hundred only... they got family, kids to feed... with the points they can redeem it into vouchers for buy things such as parkson etc..so that they can use the voucher to buy things to their family... you dont need they ask u for permission to feel charitable actually...
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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Support you in this.

Bu if they asked before hand and I don't have the card, of course I 100% will let them do it. But I will feel a bit irritated if they just swipe it without asking my permission.

It's like some bakeries/fast food chain will just throw away the leftover but still edible food at the end of the day, if the workers take it, I'm sure the management will take action.

Doing some charity doesn't mean other can force it on you without asking for permission. The cashiers just need the courtesy to ask the permission for it. So if the queue is very long till few km like someone said, then the cashiers shouldn'tt swipe their own card la, proceed to next customer please to clear up the line.

From the other point of view, if such actions were being reported to the management, I'm sure the management will take actions. So why the actions from management? because the cashiers are not allowed to do so, simple.

So yeah, I do share the same
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:55 PM)
customers can write in but how many did that?

company can audit but how many did that?

company can implement the policy but do they do that?

then?

everyone is so 79 lazy to do anything.

company that doesnt implement this policy expect customer to complain. the question is, does the customer owe them anything for the complain? no

then there is this customer who make a fuss but some lazy to complain to the company. does the company owe u anything? no

nobody owes anybody anything!
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One thing people should at least do is practice self-control. Just because company or customer does not make a fuss, that does not give you the absolute right or think that it is 'okay' to swipe on behalf of the customer.

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Aug 15 2013, 11:23 PM)
So conclusion is.. Malaysians are generous in such a way as long as we didnt lose anything, let others gain (and proudly admit own good deed ) . But $ gained aside, are we causing them to lose something even more precious: for eg. courtesy (to ask before swiping) and integrity (their job scope doesnt include this "rezeki atas angin" im sure). What will happen to them years down the road and what mindset do we cultivate in such people when nobody is there to tegur them ?

Same like driving. sometimes I;m asked by my passenger I bother to use the honk when being cut queue or drivers in front of me do stupid stuff (suddenly make illegal u-turn etc).  I LOSE NOTHING  actualy.. simply let them do their inconsiderate stunt and I continue on my way would be win-win for all right? 

What if nobody honks anymore when they continue to repeat the same thing? Will they ever gets to live another 10 years behaving so (king of the road) thinking their kind of driving are kebal and nobody give a damn to ?

Its more than just "close one eye" and be generous . Do look at the bigger picture  pls.
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Very well said.

I don't mind actually if the cashier ask for my permission. Depending on my mood that day also.
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u can do ur part. have u? i did mine
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Already tiau itu bangla. Even if I didn't bring my card, he shouldn't use his card. Always ask for a receipt.
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 12:00 AM)
One thing people should at least do is practice self-control. Just because company or customer does not make a fuss, that gives you the absolute right or think that it is 'okay' to swipe on behalf of the customer.
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QUOTE(mckevin @ Aug 15 2013, 11:56 PM)
haha.. i dont care if you're an elite or what..
i found that your behavior is very childish..
i cant even brain why you even have this kinda thinking..
there are written and unwritten rules
there are common sense as well...
i see u has none..
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Common sense is, the cashiers should ask if they can swipe their own card first even if the customers did not have the card, because the purchase is made by customers, not the cashiers
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lol not sure whether /ktards suddenly being very kind and tolerant or missing the point
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QUOTE(Clea @ Aug 15 2013, 11:57 PM)
True that, that's why the business must explicitly state if they do not want the cashiers to claim points based on the consumer purchases, and if they fail to do so, it is their problem and their loss.
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Business will always have these policy in place. I did a mystery shopper for a company once to evaluate among other things such problem as well.

But when it comes to redeeming such points, human will always learn to beat the system. Participating merchant will pass the card to their relative to redeem points, etc.

And they cannot penalize the participating merchant at the same time by revoking them from offering loyalty points. If they do so, how can they explain to their customer that they are not entitled to points when purchasing from that outlet?
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Kesian so many ppl take chance to bash TS. But most of their logic doesnt make sense and worst some very racist.

Courtesy & ethics seem to be the main point here.
If you have the courtesy to ask, then its fine.
But if you face black like people owe u money, and still dare to take advantage of people... I have nothing to say.
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i dont care. as long as they return my change correctly.
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QUOTE(seba @ Aug 16 2013, 12:03 AM)
lol not sure whether /ktards suddenly being very kind and tolerant or missing the point
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QUOTE(andriel @ Aug 16 2013, 12:04 AM)
Kesian so many ppl take chance to bash TS. But most of their logic doesnt make sense and worst some very racist.

Courtesy & ethics seem to be the main point here.
If you have the courtesy to ask, then its fine.
But if you face black like people owe u money, and still dare to take advantage of people... I have nothing to say.
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inb4 ppl say kecian them got 1km queue see you black or not if got so long queue.. laugh.gif
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lol not sure whether /ktards suddenly being very kind and tolerant or missing the point
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its not about being kind. if u lose the point, that is it. next time, bring the card along
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QUOTE(LamboSama @ Aug 15 2013, 11:58 PM)
pretty sad direction we are going.
an ad to teach people to wash hands, and ad to tell people how to drink milk, a policy to enforce common courtesy. laugh.gif

in the end, we can't force respect and common courtesy.
It's best to no longer frequent an establishment we consider disrespectful or report to their manager. sweat.gif
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well that depends on how big the picture you want to look at, we recognize respect because rude people exist, both are essential entity, if there are more rude people around, you stand out more if you know how to respect people, god damn surviving and learning to adapt is a bi@tch
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:05 AM)
inb4 ppl say kecian them got 1km queue see you black or not if got so long queue..  laugh.gif
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That ppl dont get what he is arguing about. and still think he is so 79 right lol ! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:06 AM)
its not about being kind. if u lose the point, that is it. next time, bring the card along
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it is not about losing the point either, its about how people take advantage of u, and how annoyingly it is executed

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its a win win la. you lose nothing, yet u can give something to someone. mana tau nanti masa depan there will be someone be kind tolong you also. Anyway, the rewards is from big corporations. cashier bukan gaji besar mana pun. biar la. bukannya dia paksa beli keropok rm20 masa tengah isi minyak ckp derma kat negara mana ntah.
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:06 AM)
its not about being kind. if u lose the point, that is it. next time, bring the card along
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What if I'm not interested in the loyalty programme offered to me and I refuse to sign up? Should they be allowed to take my share?
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for purchases below than 100 bucks i just ignore it. if i spend more than 100 then i will make an effort to go to their customer service and get a temporary number so that they can still key it into the system.

i see it as a perk of manning the cash register. imagine they have to serves long number and long hour with cheap pay. i wouldnt put myself there but hey they're stuck there at least let them have the perk. Again as long as it doesnt exceeds 100 bucks.
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:06 AM)
its not about being kind. if u lose the point, that is it. next time, bring the card along
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What if I'm not interested in the loyalty programme offered to me and I refuse to sign up? Should they be allowed to take my share?
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Call to the head office and make a complain...i cant accept it too. They are using their position to take advantage from others.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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Why are you being selfish. If you dont redeem then let them redeem if not the purchase will go to waste. Please la bro. This is rich man thinking
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i don't mind. like a forumer said, if u cant benefit from the rewards, let someone else benefit also not bad. better than the company reap all rewards and give nothing back smile.gif
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this is my fastest thread ever. and no drills.

although at the start i actually quite worry how most people did not care about this, but eventually i see more people actually understood my issue. like i said, being generous is a choice. i can choose to donate my points to others.

if i forgot to bring the card or the card is so new that i havent had the chance to acquire one, then all the cashier need to do is ask if he/she could swipe and take the points off me. establish a rapport, make the connection, smile. i cant imagine why i would say no to that.

but dont assume if i say "no i dont have the card" means "it's okay you may swipe yours instead".

ethics. malaysia needs it direly. at every level.
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QUOTE(@Adele @ Aug 16 2013, 12:18 AM)
i don't mind. like a forumer said, if u cant benefit from the rewards, let someone else benefit also not bad. better than the company reap all rewards and give nothing back smile.gif
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How do company that offer such reward reap all rewards? Do you know how loyalty program works? The only people who will benefit from the reward if you're not interested or forget to bring your card is the merchants. They are the ones who would give nothing to you but getting all the free petrol and electrical appliance from your purchase.

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What if I'm not interested in the loyalty programme offered to me and I refuse to sign up? Should they be allowed to take my share?
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it's ur right. so u can just tell them "btw, please dont swipe ur card ya" if ur face thick enough to do so.
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I thinks the same person who complaints about these things is the same person who complaints on every single thing. Makanan sampai lambat, bising. Salah order, bising. Cashier masam sikit, bising. Free gift dont have stock, bising.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2013, 12:20 AM)
this is my fastest thread ever. and no drills.

although at the start i actually quite worry how most people did not care about this, but eventually i see more people actually understood my issue. like i said, being generous is a choice. i can choose to donate my points to others.

if i forgot to bring the card or the card is so new that i havent had the chance to acquire one, then all the cashier need to do is ask if he/she could swipe and take the points off me. establish a rapport, make the connection, smile. i cant imagine why i would say no to that.

but dont assume if i say "no i dont have the card" means "it's okay you may swipe yours instead".

ethics. malaysia needs it direly. at every level.
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they're working almost at the low level of service. i dont expect anything more than a smile and thank you. most of the time they work long hours and have to deal shitty customers. As i say earlier i myself wouldn't put me in that situation but they're stuck there.As long as the changes is correct i dont mind it at all.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Aug 15 2013, 04:16 PM)
Why are you being selfish. If you dont redeem then let them redeem if not the purchase will go to waste. Please la bro. This is rich man thinking
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ethics. business ethics, specifically. not about being selfish.

being poor or earning less doesnt allow the cashiers to earn off me. it's like, it's okay for all bumiputera to get benefits from the gov coz most of them are poor.
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I don't mind at all if I don't have the loyalty card. I rather benefit the employee than those big corporations who earn millions every year. But just don't cheat on me swiping your card instead of mind when I have one.

And I really appreciate those who ask if you have the loyalty card or not because I will forget sometimes.
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Personally I think this case macam recycled cans.

You habis minum you campak, tak recycle and jual kat recycling centre.
Tapi bila orang kutip nak buat duit recyling tetiba you hangin.

Just halalkan je TS. Anggap sedekah atau amal jariah. Dapat jugak pahala.
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QUOTE(emino @ Aug 16 2013, 12:23 AM)
Personally I think this case macam recycled cans.

You habis minum you campak, tak recycle and jual kat recycling centre.
Tapi bila orang kutip nak buat duit recyling tetiba you hangin.

Just halalkan je TS. Anggap sedekah atau amal jariah. Dapat jugak pahala.
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How do company that offer such reward reap all rewards? Do you know how loyalty program works? The only people who will benefit from the reward if you're not interested or forget to bring your card is the merchants. They are the ones who would give nothing to you but getting all the free petrol and electrical appliance from your purchase.
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like i said, i dont mind. better someone get the stuff than no one gets the stuff. If not, company gets to keep the stuff i.e. company no need waste money, and no one benefit.
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it's ur right. so u can just tell them "btw, please dont swipe ur card ya" if ur face thick enough to do so.
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Well instead of me constantly reminding, shouldn't they practice self-control?
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just sharing a story here:

>last month went shopping at tesco with my dad.
>didnt bring tesco card
>cashier asked if can use her card
>dad said yes
>she swipe card, and becos purchase a lot, got cash voucher (not much, RM2 only i think)
>she give the cash voucher to my dad
>my dad says it's ok, she can keep it for herself
>she hesitated, but my dad insists
>she said thanks, and gave the brightest smile that made my day

i wish i can make everyone smile like that, but at the same time i myself ngam2 cukup makan.. sad.gif
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QUOTE(emino @ Aug 15 2013, 04:23 PM)
Personally I think this case macam recycled cans.

You habis minum you campak, tak recycle and jual kat recycling centre.
Tapi bila orang kutip nak buat duit recyling tetiba you hangin.

Just halalkan je TS. Anggap sedekah atau amal jariah. Dapat jugak pahala.
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you have a choice, when you throw the cans away, right?

like i said before, sedekah is about choice and totally voluntary. if your selipar got stolen at the mosque, people would advise you to "sedekahkan aje". and eventually you would, as you had no choice but to do so.

choice on my part, ethics on the cashier's part. simple.
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Keyword: You have nothing to lose. If you are so calculative, then go and apply for the reward card and make the most out of it.

The ethical point of view is between the employee and the company, nothing to do with the customer side if you don't have the card.
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QUOTE(emino @ Aug 16 2013, 12:23 AM)
Personally I think this case macam recycled cans.

You habis minum you campak, tak recycle and jual kat recycling centre.
Tapi bila orang kutip nak buat duit recyling tetiba you hangin.

Just halalkan je TS. Anggap sedekah atau amal jariah. Dapat jugak pahala.
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:27 AM)
just sharing a story here:

>last month went shopping at tesco with my dad.
>didnt bring tesco card
>cashier asked if can use her card
>dad said yes
>she swipe card, and becos purchase a lot, got cash voucher (not much, RM2 only i think)
>she give the cash voucher to my dad
>my dad says it's ok, she can keep it for herself
>she hesitated, but my dad insists
>she said thanks, and gave the brightest smile that made my day

i wish i can make everyone smile like that, but at the same time i myself ngam2 cukup makan.. sad.gif
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like i said, i dont mind. better someone get the stuff than no one gets the stuff. If not, company gets to keep the stuff i.e. company no need waste money, and no one benefit.
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Rewards are given to customers. There will always be loyal customers even though you are not interested. Not participating merchants. If one person forgets their card and merchant swipes their, who is at the losing end?
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2013, 12:28 AM)
you have a choice, when you throw the cans away, right?

like i said before, sedekah is about choice and totally voluntary. if your selipar got stolen at the mosque, people would advise you to "sedekahkan aje". and eventually you would, as you had no choice but to do so.

choice on my part, ethics on the cashier's part. simple.
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well if it really irks you than just write it to the sales dept manager or as other forumer mention before just ask them not to swipe anything with your transaction.
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:27 AM)
just sharing a story here:

>last month went shopping at tesco with my dad.
>didnt bring tesco card
>cashier asked if can use her card
>dad said yes
>she swipe card, and becos purchase a lot, got cash voucher (not much, RM2 only i think)
>she give the cash voucher to my dad
>my dad says it's ok, she can keep it for herself
>she hesitated, but my dad insists
>she said thanks, and gave the brightest smile that made my day

i wish i can make everyone smile like that, but at the same time i myself ngam2 cukup makan.. sad.gif
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 12:25 AM)
Well instead of me constantly reminding, shouldn't they practice self-control?
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dont have to constant remind. most cashiers dont do that, and those who want to use their card will ask politely most of the time. only a few will quietly swipe their card.

so if the cashier dont ask ur permission, and u see her holding a card, then u can remind her not to use her card.

cant expect all cashiers to be ethical. even in med school a lot of students failed the ethics exam lol.
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Ts, an example of u.
U eat kfc can't finish but wouldn't let ppl touch ur food eventhough u don't want it anymore
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TS so kiasu, you should migrate to Singapore la, i once work with their company, got plenty attitude like you....if they don't swipe their reward card no one gonna get the points anyway, why make it an issue doh.gif

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2013, 12:28 AM)
you have a choice, when you throw the cans away, right?

like i said before, sedekah is about choice and totally voluntary. if your selipar got stolen at the mosque, people would advise you to "sedekahkan aje". and eventually you would, as you had no choice but to do so.

choice on my part, ethics on the cashier's part. simple.
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Selipar kat masjid anologi yang lu pakai tak sesuai sebab you rugi hilang selipar.

In this case, you tak rugi apa pun since that points would be wasted anyway. Kalau dia swipe bukan you hilang petrol. Jumlah petrol you dapat tetap sama.

Tak baik membazir yo.
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 12:30 AM)
Rewards are given to customers. There will always be loyal customers even though you are not interested. Not participating merchants. If one person forgets their card and merchant swipes their, who is at the losing end?
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hello friend. not everyone think like u. u are entitled to ur opinion, and i am entitled mine. My opinion is i dont mind. That's what TS is asking, whether ppl mind or not.

If you mind, then u may speak up when ppl try to swipe their card at ur purchase. icon_rolleyes.gif
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i dun und wat u wanna rage about liao
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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nvm ts, at max they will only get is RM100 worth of points perweek.

more than that, the system will automatically pick it up when it doesnt make sense you spend rm200 in one week for petrol unless u have registered vehicle for work purposes.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2013, 12:22 AM)
ethics. business ethics, specifically. not about being selfish.

being poor or earning less doesnt allow the cashiers to earn off me. it's like, it's okay for all bumiputera to get benefits from the gov coz most of them are poor.
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in ethics there are many ways to define a action is ethical or not. 1st is called utilitarianism. which means if the actions bring more good than bad, then the actions is ethical. So for this type of action, it brings more good because the points do not to go to waste. And you did lose a single cent. so no harm for you also. So by using utilitarianism,this action is ethical and right.

in other view such as legal ethics, if the action is in the course of law, then it is ethical, if the action is outside the law, then the action unethical.

So we can choose which view we want to use in deciding an action is ethical or not! For me, i always refer to utilitarianism view because it is for greater good. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Uzumaki NaruTo @ Aug 15 2013, 04:30 PM)
well if it really irks you than just write it to the sales dept manager or as other forumer mention before just ask them not to swipe anything with your transaction.
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i have asked them not to swipe everytime i had the chance. i couldnt ask them if i'm behind the glass counter (at the petrol kiosk) because they usually just take the money and dont really care about what u said; and where other people are lining up behind me because it usually takes awhile to deliver my argument across especially if the cashier starts making face.

i've written to jusco long time ago but didnt receive a reply. but now i'm determined to write to every business i custom to ensure proper ethics are practiced.
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QUOTE(emino @ Aug 16 2013, 12:31 AM)
Selipar kat masjid anologi yang lu pakai tak sesuai sebab you rugi hilang selipar.

In this case, you tak rugi apa pun since that points would be wasted anyway. Kalau dia swipe bukan you hilang petrol. Jumlah petrol you dapat tetap sama.

Tak baik membazir yo.
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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:30 AM)
Ts, an example of u.
U eat kfc can't finish but wouldn't let ppl touch ur food eventhough u don't want it anymore
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That is a wrong analogy altogether. TS have not gotten the chance to even enjoy "half of his KFC".

A proper example would be: You are rewarded with KFC for shopping in ABC in condition you must bring your a Chicky Club membership card. You forgot to bring the membership card. Does that give staff from ABC the right to eat your KFC?
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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:30 AM)
Ts, an example of u.
U eat kfc can't finish but wouldn't let ppl touch ur food eventhough u don't want it anymore
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That is a wrong analogy altogether. TS have not gotten the chance to even enjoy "half of his KFC".

A proper example would be: You are rewarded with KFC for shopping in ABC in condition you must bring your a Chicky Club membership card. You forgot to bring the membership card. Does that give staff from ABC the right to eat your KFC?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:30 AM)
key sentence.. biggrin.gif  i would definitely allow also..
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oh, that wasnt my point.. sweat.gif

my point was, even small deeds like that can bring another person so much joy. if i get the RM2 voucher, i would probably be like "mehhh...", but she seems so happy about it. so i just feel touched and i wanna say that even the smallest deeds, even ones u think probably doesnt matter, could bring another person so much joy and happiness. for that brief moment, i feel like the world is a slightly better place.

but then i go home, surf /k/, read news about bn, then i lost all hope again. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:34 AM)
you dun get it meh.. ask permission before swipe.
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Most case they do. Bukan selalu tak tanya pun.
And most case people don't mind. So after a while it might become a habit to the poor girl.

Kalau nak just remind the girl next time ask for permission first. Tak susah kan?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:34 AM)
you dun get it meh.. ask permission before swipe.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2013, 12:34 AM)
i have asked them not to swipe everytime i had the chance. i couldnt ask them if i'm behind the glass counter (at the petrol kiosk) because they usually just take the money and dont really care about what u said; and where other people are lining up behind me because it usually takes awhile to deliver my argument across especially if the cashier starts making face.

i've written to jusco long time ago but didnt receive a reply. but now i'm determined to write to every business i custom to ensure proper ethics are practiced.
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eventhough i worked before as cashier in petrol station, i really support this. In islam, haram beb makan points orang, tak berkat.
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QUOTE(hakimida @ Aug 15 2013, 04:33 PM)
in ethics there are many ways to define a action is ethical or not. 1st is called utilitarianism. which means if the actions bring more good than bad, then the actions is ethical. So for this type of action, it brings more good because the points do not to go to waste. And you did lose a single cent. so no harm for you also. So by using utilitarianism,this action is ethical and right.

in other view such as legal ethics, if the action is in the course of law, then it is ethical, if the action is outside the law, then the action unethical.

So we can choose which view we want to use in deciding an action is ethical or not! For me, i always refer to utilitarianism view because it is for greater good. smile.gif
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dude, how is that utilitarianism? utilitarianism is always about the use and benefits of the users, and in this case it's the customers. merchants are on the other side of the equation.

and if u wanna argue about the greater good, then how do this "taking a customer's benefits without asking" benefits malaysian society as a whole?
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:36 AM)
oh, that wasnt my point.. sweat.gif

my point was, even small deeds like that can bring another person so much joy. if i get the RM2 voucher, i would probably be like "mehhh...", but she seems so happy about it. so i just feel touched and i wanna say that even the smallest deeds, even ones u think probably doesnt matter, could bring another person so much joy and happiness. for that brief moment, i feel like the world is a slightly better place.

but then i go home, surf /k/, read news about bn, then i lost all hope again. laugh.gif
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when they so polite i also pleased to gip.
u know i even ask the cashier if she wants my points.. biggrin.gif but that situation the company policy dun allow. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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ts u ada those reward card?
i dun und wat u wanna rage about liao
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he dun wan let pipu eat his toufu lo. kedukut lo. dun wan see ppl got benifit lo. only want himself benifited and good lo. jealous pipu got point from him lo.

bad and narrow heart lo
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QUOTE(boyot @ Aug 15 2013, 04:36 PM)
So do you have permission from se7en everytime you post a comment here?
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when we first want to reply (before registering), this forum will ask "please register first".

then we all ticked the agreement page when we signed up.

then the forum asks us to login if we wanna reply.

i think this sums up the entire permission thing.
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they have some limits la for swiping. Bonuslink only can swipe max twice only per day at shell. i do think others card pon sama...

the company confirm know already ma...
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QUOTE(boyot @ Aug 16 2013, 12:36 AM)
So do you have permission from se7en everytime you post a comment here?
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Aug 15 2013, 04:33 PM)
nvm ts, at max they will only get is RM100 worth of points perweek.

more than that, the system will automatically pick it up when it doesnt make sense you spend rm200 in one week for petrol unless u have registered vehicle for work purposes.
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do all reward cards have a max? i do not recall this when i signed up to most of the cards (i do read the fine prints sometimes, but not everytime).
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2013, 12:34 AM)
i have asked them not to swipe everytime i had the chance. i couldnt ask them if i'm behind the glass counter (at the petrol kiosk) because they usually just take the money and dont really care about what u said; and where other people are lining up behind me because it usually takes awhile to deliver my argument across especially if the cashier starts making face.

i've written to jusco long time ago but didnt receive a reply. but now i'm determined to write to every business i custom to ensure proper ethics are practiced.
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well point taken. Its all to its own.I dont judge or think anything less of you. for the petrol kiosk case the best way to it is to use credit / debit card.It saves the hassle the walk to the counter and they cant take your point.
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QUOTE(FLampard @ Aug 15 2013, 04:40 PM)
TS create thread get 15 pages of replies

i am impressed
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2013, 12:41 AM)
do all reward cards have a max? i do not recall this when i signed up to most of the cards (i do read the fine prints sometimes, but not everytime).
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i think cannot swipe same merchant x amount of times per day
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2013, 12:39 AM)
when we first want to reply (before registering), this forum will ask "please register first".

then we all ticked the agreement page when we signed up.

then the forum asks us to login if we wanna reply.

i think this sums up the entire permission thing.
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No that is procedure, far from permission
Permission is like you saying something, and then you wrote "mohon share ya akhi" to the owner of forum or quoted from original poster
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another story:

>went to chatime to buy dumfuk overpriced bubble tea for my gf
>cashier serving me was a familar cashier, she never look people in the eye when speaking to them wan.. and always talk fast2 macam malas mau layan.. i always thought she was sombong and a bit rude
>ordered the drink, and gave my chatime card
>cashier keyed in order, open register, etc
>she forgot to swipe my card
>she was like "oh my god... oh my god... im so sorry.. im so sorry, i forgot to swipe ur card.."
>i was like "it's alright.. no worries.."
>she kept on apologizing "im so sorry.. i totally forgot.. really sorry.."
>i smiled and say "it's ok, no problem.."
>in my head "not so sombong after all.. kinda cute even.. " tongue.gif

moral of the story, never judge book by it's cover.. just cos one part looks bad, dont assume the whole person is bad..

chatime kajang btw, in case anyone wanna go tackle her.


**i know not related to TS story, but i just wanna share, but lazy to open a thread just for this..

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well if I were to use his points, every time i post, sure.
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Ok
Then do you ask permission if you were to illegaly download movies?
How about reading manga online, do you ask for permission?
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:43 AM)
another story:

>went to chatime to buy dumfuk overpriced bubble tea for my gf
>cashier serving me was a familar cashier, she never look people in the eye when speaking to them wan.. and always talk fast2 macam malas mau layan.. i always thought she was sombong and a bit rude
>ordered the drink, and gave my chatime card
>cashier keyed in order, open register, etc
>she forgot to swipe my card
>she was like "oh my god... oh my god... im so sorry.. im so sorry, i forgot to swipe ur card.."
>i was like "it's alright.. no worries.."
>she kept on apologizing "im so sorry.. i totally forgot.. really sorry.."
>i smiled and say "it's ok, no problem.."
>in my head "not so sombong after all.. kinda cute even.. " tongue.gif

moral of the story, never judge book by it's cover.. just cos one part looks bad, dont assume the whole person is bad..

chatime kajang btw, in case anyone wanna go tackle her.
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another key point. polite n apologize biggrin.gif
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he dun wan let pipu eat his toufu lo. kedukut lo. dun wan see ppl got benifit lo. only want himself benifited and good lo. jealous pipu got point from him lo.

bad and narrow heart lo
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2013, 12:37 AM)
dude, how is that utilitarianism? utilitarianism is always about the use and benefits of the users, and in this case it's the customers. merchants are on the other side of the equation.

and if u wanna argue about the greater good, then how do this "taking a customer's benefits without asking" benefits malaysian society as a whole?
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dude it is utilitarianism, it bring more good lah to the people who terlibat in this case. the cashier got extra point, the point will not gonna go wasted, u did not lose a single cent. Quantitatively the good is more than the harm.

The greater good is that these low paying cashiers have extra disposable income in the end of the day because they can use the rewards cards courtesy of these customers. And you know with extra disposable income is always good to the economy right?
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:43 AM)
another story:

>went to chatime to buy dumfuk overpriced bubble tea for my gf
>cashier serving me was a familar cashier, she never look people in the eye when speaking to them wan.. and always talk fast2 macam malas mau layan.. i always thought she was sombong and a bit rude
>ordered the drink, and gave my chatime card
>cashier keyed in order, open register, etc
>she forgot to swipe my card
>she was like "oh my god... oh my god... im so sorry.. im so sorry, i forgot to swipe ur card.."
>i was like "it's alright.. no worries.."
>she kept on apologizing "im so sorry.. i totally forgot.. really sorry.."
>i smiled and say "it's ok, no problem.."
>in my head "not so sombong after all.. kinda cute even.. " tongue.gif

moral of the story, never judge book by it's cover.. just cos one part looks bad, dont assume the whole person is bad..

chatime kajang btw, in case anyone wanna go tackle her.
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Ok
Then do you ask permission if you were to illegaly download movies?
How about reading manga online, do you ask for permission?
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If using the above example, wouldn't illegally swiping for points without owners consent be akin to stealing?
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Ok
Then do you ask permission if you were to illegaly download movies?
How about reading manga online, do you ask for permission?
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sorry mobile broadband no enuf quota for such things.. so how?
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dun wan let ppl eat tofu then go apply those rewards cards lo
i kennot brain how come like tat wan butthurt liao
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he think his tofu very nice lo. not 1 million or 2 million points pun.

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ini bukan cool story liao.. takkan i simply2 take her pictar while she saying sorry.. plus, not like soooo cute face or hot like that.. cute in terms of behavior.. pictar cannot show wan..
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2013, 12:41 AM)
do all reward cards have a max? i do not recall this when i signed up to most of the cards (i do read the fine prints sometimes, but not everytime).
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iinm there are no max for rewards card. but, anyhow they can detect if the same card being swipe, at the same place with in a short timeframe. my friend cashier already kena last time. he swipe for rm200 lorry at morning, then rm300 for bus at night. a week later, sampai surat cinta dari esso. i never swipe my card unless the customer told me to.
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One more thing, they swipe in front of you kan, if you dont say a word , it means consent la tu, if u dont like it , you tell la the cashier " jangan la swipe swipe, saya tak suka"
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A DOG lay in a manger, and by his growling and snapping prevented the oxen from eating the hay which had been placed for them. "What a selfish Dog!" said one of them to his companions; "He cannot eat the hay himself, and yet refuses to allow those to eat who can."

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If using the above example, wouldn't illegally swiping for points without owners consent be akin to stealing?
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If we were take into account, then yes it is stealing
But why do we look at other means of stealing while we are stealing from others?
Its like you complain other people defect while you has your own defect?
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another story:

>went to chatime to buy dumfuk overpriced bubble tea for my gf
>cashier serving me was a familar cashier, she never look people in the eye when speaking to them wan.. and always talk fast2 macam malas mau layan.. i always thought she was sombong and a bit rude
>ordered the drink, and gave my chatime card
>cashier keyed in order, open register, etc
>she forgot to swipe my card
>she was like "oh my god... oh my god... im so sorry.. im so sorry, i forgot to swipe ur card.."
>i was like "it's alright.. no worries.."
>she kept on apologizing "im so sorry.. i totally forgot.. really sorry.."
>i smiled and say "it's ok, no problem.."
>in my head "not so sombong after all.. kinda cute even.. " tongue.gif

moral of the story, never judge book by it's cover.. just cos one part looks bad, dont assume the whole person is bad..

chatime kajang btw, in case anyone wanna go tackle her.
**i know not related to TS story, but i just wanna share, but lazy to open a thread just for this..
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danny, i know this is off topic also ...but hor...i agree with u. why chatime ppl always like black face, no look at u, like boh song u order the drink. weird.
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sorry mobile broadband no enuf quota for such things.. so how?
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maxis so lembap man.. i check coverage at my area, even 4G LTE also got, 3g, 2g, what g also got.. but really slow.. cry.gif

i cucuk my 10dbi antenna also no difference.. but at least the price is cheap, so i dont really mind.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(hakimida @ Aug 16 2013, 12:51 AM)
One more thing, they swipe in front of you kan, if you dont say a word , it means consent la tu, if u dont like it , you tell la the cashier " jangan la swipe swipe, saya tak suka"
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One more thing, they swipe in front of you kan, if you dont say a word , it means consent la tu, if u dont like it , you tell la the cashier " jangan la swipe swipe, saya tak suka"
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i think problem solved if the fella swipe when the customer is not looking. then no issue already. biggrin.gif
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danny, i know this is off topic also ...but hor...i agree with u. why chatime ppl always like black face, no look at u, like boh song u order the drink. weird.
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usually is girl cashiers right?? cos the males usually all foreigners wann, but girls mostly are local.. macam a bit sombong.. but dunno la, maybe they shy or something..

btw, wanna ask u ah, do u know what they keep saying when we arrive at the counter? i heard like "calling calling", but doesnt make sense. rclxub.gif
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If we were take into account, then yes it is stealing
But why do we look at other means of stealing while we are stealing from others?
Its like you complain other people defect while you has your own defect?
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QUOTE(boyot @ Aug 15 2013, 04:52 PM)
If we were take into account, then yes it is stealing
But why do we look at other means of stealing while we are stealing from others?
Its like you complain other people defect while you has your own defect?
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just because you have defects doesnt mean you cant point out defects in others. auto-criticism (or self-reflection) in society is what makes us improve and be better.
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QUOTE(hakimida @ Aug 15 2013, 04:51 PM)
One more thing, they swipe in front of you kan, if you dont say a word , it means consent la tu, if u dont like it , you tell la the cashier " jangan la swipe swipe, saya tak suka"
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if you read this thread entirely, you will notice i mentioned several times that i do say it to the cashier. and sometimes it takes a while to get the point across, and i dont like to keep other people behind me waiting.
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:52 AM)
speaking of broadband.. i change to biz68 liao.. i trusted u mang.. i trusted u..

maxis so lembap man.. i check coverage at my area, even 4G LTE also got, 3g, 2g, what g also got.. but really slow.. cry.gif

i cucuk my 10dbi antenna also no difference.. but at least the price is cheap, so i dont really mind.. smile.gif
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laugh.gif try celcom n umobile n see?

seriously broadband in MY better try before signing up.. some area got blind spot always revert to 2G signal.. sweat.gif
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danny, i know this is off topic also ...but hor...i agree with u. why chatime ppl always like black face, no look at u, like boh song u order the drink. weird.
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i think that's their efficient face cause they are busy
i bey some of them don't realise they look like in a bad mood when they're actually just focused
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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from my exp working in petrol kiosk
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just because you have defects doesnt mean you cant point out defects in others. auto-criticism (or self-reflection) in society is what makes us improve and be better.
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laugh.gif try celcom n umobile n see?

seriously broadband in MY better try before signing up.. some area got blind spot always revert to 2G signal..  sweat.gif
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i memang use umobile before this.. when fast is really fast, but when slow is really slow..

but maxis, when slow is really slow, when fast also not that fast.. sad.gif but at least half the price of the umobile, so i can save a bit la.. laugh.gif

tried so many ady, all except for Yes 4G.. so far umobile is bestest.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Aug 16 2013, 01:00 AM)
i memang use umobile before this.. when fast is really fast, but when slow is really slow..

but maxis, when slow is really slow, when fast also not that fast.. sad.gif but at least half the price of the umobile, so i can save a bit la.. laugh.gif

tried so many ady, all except for Yes 4G.. so far umobile is bestest.. smile.gif
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wah 10dBi antenna? so kheng? got point the correct direction or not? laugh.gif
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i think that's their efficient face cause they are busy
i bey some of them don't realise they look like in a bad mood when they're actually just focused
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need so focused bo? how hard isit to make a milk tea? lol
besides F&B is always product + service
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then all academics will fry in hell when we mark the exam papers.
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need so focused bo? how hard isit to make a milk tea? lol
besides F&B is always product + service
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Actually it's not focused face. But robot/routine face.

You do too biasa until you don't realise, just going through the motions.

Of course, being in customer service they need to remember to smile.

But sometimes I also cannot tahan to see customer service ppl giving fake smiles. The smile so big and act so friendly but you can tell it's totally insincere. That one the smile on/off immediately depending if got customer. The moment you turn your back, sour face automatically.
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Aug 16 2013, 12:55 AM)
usually is girl cashiers right?? cos the males usually all foreigners wann, but girls mostly are local.. macam a bit sombong.. but dunno la, maybe they shy or something..

btw, wanna ask u ah, do u know what they keep saying when we arrive at the counter? i heard like "calling calling", but doesnt make sense. rclxub.gif
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actually...i find that as long as is our locals...boys n girls oso kind of black face wo...For foreigners le..ya..really not so much

Pai seh la...i dunno what is the "calling calling" thing. If i go to chatime again i try to kap kap listen again ok? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jonoave @ Aug 16 2013, 01:08 AM)
Actually it's not focused face. But robot/routine face.

You do too biasa until you don't realise, just going through the motions.

Of course, being in customer service they need to remember to smile.

But sometimes I also cannot tahan to see customer service ppl giving fake smiles. The smile so big and act so friendly but you can tell it's totally insincere. That one the smile on/off immediately depending if got customer. The moment you turn your back, sour face automatically.
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I would give them a thumbs up if they are willing to smile... at least they r professional enough and love their job enough to smile at the customer, when they turn their back...they go back to original.. to me is perfectly ok. Coz ppl get tired, and they cant be smiling all the time thumbup.gif

I was at Tesco yesterday and the person, just ask him one question only, he look like want to meletup. I feel like asking him... "r u not happy? did the company not pay u? is that why u're so upset?" whistling.gif

but of coz i chickened out haha

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your maxis sometimes really slow cos it's hang at 3G signal.. try to switch to 2G GSM n see? it'll be slow but it'll be consistent EDGE signal.

wah 10dBi antenna? so kheng? got point the correct direction or not?  laugh.gif
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this antenna omnidirectional wann.. no need point2.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(@Adele @ Aug 16 2013, 01:08 AM)
actually...i find that as long as is our locals...boys n girls oso kind of black face wo...For foreigners le..ya..really not so much

Pai seh la...i dunno what is the "calling calling" thing. If i go to chatime again i try to kap kap listen again ok?  biggrin.gif
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aiya.. if u regular, sure u notice wan... everytime u near the counter they will say "calling calling".. dunno what they mean..

anyway, correct, locals usually give the black face.. i think becos they shy ler.. pity them oso.. the foreigners dont give a fark, so they dont have to shy2.. laugh.gif



**TS sorry i derail ur topic.

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this antenna omnidirectional wann.. no need point2.. laugh.gif
aiya.. if u regular, sure u notice wan... everytime u near the counter they will say "calling calling".. dunno what they mean..

anyway, correct, locals usually give the black face.. i think becos they shy ler.. pity them oso.. the foreigners dont give a fark, so they dont have to shy2.. laugh.gif
**TS sorry i derail ur topic.
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pai seh the chatime i go to recently is all manned by foreigners...so no idea le on calling thing.

***sorry TS derail ur topic. I give it back to u
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this antenna omnidirectional wann.. no need point2.. laugh.gif
when u bored your lte modem + omni 10dbi antenna, sell me cheap cheap la.. laugh.gif i only use HSPA now.
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need so focused bo? how hard isit to make a milk tea? lol
besides F&B is always product + service
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their business quite good
probably is a combination of rushed and busy looks lol
they probably don't know how they look when they're busy
you can try telling them next time
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Dear TS. Its only points. If u did not subscribe to it, then why not give it to someone who wants it? There is always someone wanting something. The MAIN problem is not TIDAK APA as u mentioned. But more likely u cannot accept there are people who are resourceful and make use of every opportunity they get. If you feel "robbed" of these points then subscribe to their card program or go to another brand that does not use points. Then you be happy.

I do not know what kind of moral arrow you have. But i could give you this senario. U complain to management. The way i see it, you might probably want the person getting the points be fired. So you are happy. Then what? You got someone fired because of some stupid points that you probably don't even redeem once in a blue moon. So is it morally right for you to get that person fired for something that is not physically of value like money that you can see taken from your wallet? Sure the cashier should have asked to be allowed to swipe for points. But c'mon they asked if you have loyalty and you did not have. So logical step that the cashier used their card. I do not see anything wrong in that.

If you want to nitpick about moral values, you SHOULD NOT even post things like this in the first place. Just get that person fired and be happy. You will feel all the right your world have to offer you. There is no such thing as conciseness. We are robots.

I have been on the receiving end of points system early this year. At TESCO puchong one lady bought 20 cartons of canned Carlsberg beer. And when cashier asked for a loyalty card she does not have. She asked if i had, which i did and given the points to me. Thats about a thousand points. Which translates to RM10 cash voucher for me at month end statement conversion. If you were that guy being given such thing, would you deny it? By right you should not because technically, you are stealing from TESCO. The lady gave you the points, but TESCO did not because u did not buy the items. So what goes on now? TESCO lawsuits you to give back the points or pay back the cash amounted value of to you? Whats wrong with you?

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y so selfish...ownself cant get cant let ppl get?
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Dear TS. Its only points. If u did not subscribe to it, then why not give it to someone who wants it? There is always someone wanting something. The MAIN problem is not TIDAK APA as u mentioned. But more likely u cannot accept there are people who are resourceful and make use of every opportunity they get. If you feel "robbed" of these points then subscribe to their card program or go to another brand that does not use points. Then you be happy.

I do not know what kind of moral arrow you have. But i could give you this senario. U complain to management. The way i see it, you might probably want the person getting the points be fired. So you are happy. Then what? You got someone fired because of some stupid points that you probably don't even redeem once in a blue moon. So is it morally right for you to get that person fired for something that is not physically of value like money that you can see taken from your wallet? Sure the cashier should have asked to be allowed to swipe for points. But c'mon they asked if you have loyalty and you did not have. So logical step that the cashier used their card. I do not see anything wrong in that.

If you want to nitpick about moral values, you SHOULD NOT even post things like this in the first place. Just get that person fired and be happy. You will feel all the right your world have to offer you. There is no such thing as conciseness. We are robots.

I have been on the receiving end of points system early this year. At TESCO puchong one lady bought 20 cartons of canned Carlsberg beer. And when cashier asked for a loyalty card she does not have. She asked if i had, which i did and given the points to me. Thats about a thousand points. Which translates to RM10 cash voucher for me at month end statement conversion. If you were that guy being given such thing, would you deny it? By right you should not because technically, you are stealing from TESCO. The lady gave you the points, but TESCO did not because u did not buy the items. So what goes on now? TESCO lawsuits you to give back the points or pay back the cash amounted value of to you? Whats wrong with you?
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i highly recommend reading the entire thread as it has many points that have been mentioned over and over and it's already 1.30 in the morning.

in this scenario, i want everyone to be ethical at what they do. i dont need to get anyone fired, it serves no purpose. ethical, by means of asking if i would allow the cashier to redeem the points that i was rewarded with. then i would have the choice in the matter to either donate or do note. just like the example that u've given.

the lady voluntarily give her reward points to u. voluntary. as in, by choice.

i will give the points to the cashier if they ever ask me. but dont simply assume and swipe away just because i didnt bring or did not subscribe to a particular card.
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when u bored your lte modem + omni 10dbi antenna, sell me cheap cheap la..  laugh.gif  i only use HSPA now.
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look it like this , this reward is suppose to be for u. but since u dont have the card why waste it, given that he ask for permission 1st, if he doesnt/does swipe it what u have to lose? nothing. if i cant have this candy noone can. sometimes we just hav to give
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2013, 01:39 AM)
i highly recommend reading the entire thread as it has many points that have been mentioned over and over and it's already 1.30 in the morning.

in this scenario, i want everyone to be ethical at what they do. i dont need to get anyone fired, it serves no purpose. ethical, by means of asking if i would allow the cashier to redeem the points that i was rewarded with. then i would have the choice in the matter to either donate or do note. just like the example that u've given.

the lady voluntarily give her reward points to u. voluntary. as in, by choice.

i will give the points to the cashier if they ever ask me. but dont simply assume and swipe away just because i didnt bring or did not subscribe to a particular card.
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Aug 16 2013, 01:45 AM)
Hey, you gotta understand. Somethings are really not worth talking about. If u nitpick on stuff like this i do not find you making society any better. Its like u complain the rubbish lady for collecting aluminum cans in trash that u dispose off. Its like you complain the rat eat from your garbage. Its like you complain your parent donate your old clothes without asking you. What are you? Scrooge McDuck?
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This is unfair argument. Whwn you grade papers you ARE NOT sedang mencari keburukan. You look for answers that make make sense and that answer the questions logically with supporting examples etc.

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http://www.litscape.com/author/Aesop/The_D...the_Manger.html

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A DOG lay in a manger, and by his growling and snapping prevented the oxen from eating the hay which had been placed for them. "What a selfish Dog!" said one of them to his companions; "He cannot eat the hay himself, and yet refuses to allow those to eat who can."

Moral:
We should not deprive others of blessings because we cannot enjoy them ourselves.
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The title of this story is Dog in the Manger. TS is like that lor.

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but now if swipe more than 3 times, it will show amount exceeded at EDC device.  cool2.gif
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QUOTE(TheOwl @ Aug 16 2013, 01:50 AM)
The title of this story is Dog in the Manger. TS is like that lor.
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Just now went pump petrol at shell, give him money n bonus link card then i go pump.
Finish pump i go back to get change n bonus link card, he give back, then i say mintak resit, then he smile smile mintak my bonus link card, tiada swipe, mother father gentleman him diao want to cheat lim peh?
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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Aug 16 2013, 01:53 AM)
Just now went pump petrol at shell, give him money n bonus link card then i go pump.
Finish pump i go back to get change n bonus link card, he give back, then i say mintak resit, then he smile smile mintak my bonus link card, tiada swipe, mother father gentleman him diao want to cheat lim peh?
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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Aug 16 2013, 01:53 AM)
Just now went pump petrol at shell, give him money n bonus link card then i go pump.
Finish pump i go back to get change n bonus link card, he give back, then i say mintak resit, then he smile smile mintak my bonus link card, tiada swipe, mother father gentleman him diao want to cheat lim peh?
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your case is 100% pure fraud. You got your card but the cashier used his own card.
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they dun tell.. i also rage and say no 5sen your problem la.. gip me back 10sen..  laugh.gif  then she black face..lol..
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usually if u got no correct amount to pay its your fault, like u wanna buy rm10 thing they dont have change for your rm50 theyll rage.
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Aug 15 2013, 05:45 PM)
Hey, you gotta understand. Somethings are really not worth talking about. If u nitpick on stuff like this i do not find you making society any better. Its like u complain the rubbish lady for collecting aluminum cans in trash that u dispose off. Its like you complain the rat eat from your garbage. Its like you complain your parent donate your old clothes without asking you. What are you? Scrooge McDuck?
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thrash are things we deliberately and consciously dispose of. reward points are rewarded to us for spending our money at their premises. reward points are the right of the customers to do as they please, as the thrash that we have on hand. so when i choose to dispose of the thrash, anybody can use it as they please.

but taking reward points that do not belong to them is stealing. do u see the point here?

back in the UK, the common practice in such situation is to hand the receipt to the customer to claim their reward points at a later date. never would the cashier or merchant claim the points on behalf of them. u see, the power of choice always belong to the customer. whether i choose to claim it, keep it but not claim it, dispose or donate it is up to me.

FREEDOM OF CHOICE.

QUOTE(TheOwl @ Aug 15 2013, 05:47 PM)
This is unfair argument. Whwn you grade papers you ARE NOT sedang mencari keburukan. You look for answers that make make sense and that answer the questions logically with supporting examples etc.
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assessment is about passing judgment. which is the core of the grading process. when the answers do not make sense, u pass a verdict that penalises the student (by not giving marks). and this in turn be evaluated as a weakness of the student for not being able to produce better answers.

i could go on about this but it'll take another night.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:31 PM)
shall i provide the maths for you?

each RM1 spent usually accumulates to 1 point. and 1 point usually is valued at about 1sen (in reward). if u fill up petrol of RM100, that's worth RM1 in reward points. if we take a rough estimate of 100 person spending that much but not claiming, they will earn RM100 worth of reward points per day. that's RM3,000 of reward points per month.

yes, malaysia is so charitable. good for us.
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this i cannot brain from you....

if you dont have card then that means consider you have already like give up on claiming the point... of course it is not polite the cashier nvr ask for your permission to swipe....


just like you finish up your can drink and throw away the can... then an auntie come and collect all the cans being thrown and sold them...
if the auntie earn RM 3000 from that per month... you jelly ah? you also want stop the auntie from collecting your can from the bin?



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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2013, 02:00 AM)
thrash are things we deliberately and consciously dispose of. reward points are rewarded to us for spending our money at their premises. reward points are the right of the customers to do as they please, as the thrash that we have on hand. so when i choose to dispose of the thrash, anybody can use it as they please.

but taking reward points that do not belong to them is stealing. do u see the point here?

back in the UK, the common practice in such situation is to hand the receipt to the customer to claim their reward points at a later date. never would the cashier or merchant claim the points on behalf of them. u see, the power of choice always belong to the customer. whether i choose to claim it, keep it but not claim it, dispose or donate it is up to me.

FREEDOM OF CHOICE.
assessment is about passing judgment. which is the core of the grading process. when the answers do not make sense, u pass a verdict that penalises the student (by not giving marks). and this in turn be evaluated as a weakness of the student for not being able to produce better answers.

i could go on about this but it'll take another night.
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You still do not get it do you? If i told you "one man trash is another mans treasure." So the alum can u treat as trash can be sold for money. If one day u think, "crap, im throwing a lot of these all year. Why not keep them to be sold for money?" So u throw away and take back.

Freedom of choice? U have a choice of not making a debate out of it. Your choice of accusing them of stealing. Your choice is more like having them jailed. Your choice is also like making them be fired. Your choice if making virtual point system look like the only thing more valuable than gold. Your choice is nitpicking on stupid things like this. Some choice u have.

Back in UK? Back in UK? If you agree much to UK lifestyle, try and make your CHOICE to live there. U probably won't have to argue about being stolen of points from your shopping anymore. Then don't nit pick about not being able to fit in since u agree to their system. Once your CHOICE of being in UK, you can cross out all your other choices because UK is automatically CORRECT choice. U do not need to loose brain cells making decisions. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(WhatIwillDo @ Aug 16 2013, 02:11 AM)
this i cannot brain from you.... 

if you dont have card then that means consider you have already like give up on claiming the point... of course it is not polite the cashier nvr ask for your permission to swipe....
just like you finish up your can drink and throw away the can... then an auntie come and collect all the cans being thrown and sold them...
if the auntie earn RM 3000 from that per month... you jelly ah? you also want stop the auntie from collecting your can from the bin?
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QUOTE(skycrawler @ Aug 16 2013, 02:14 AM)
he kenot see other people gain money, jelly jelly jelly  rolleyes.gif `
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well, in his case... is more like...

he finish his can drink already when the auntie come and collect...

saw his finish can and took and put to her bag....

then ts rage as auntie no ask him whether can she take the empty can or not as it is still his freedom of choice to give the auntie the can or not to give....


then maybe auntie must return the can to ts... and he have to take the empty can to his car, drive far away and throw the can into rubbish bin,

and kecian the auntie that may or may not have the luck to collect his empty can.... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Wow this thread makes me sad ... i don't even know what to say except intro 1 very good chinese saying to you :

Gai sek dang yi yim sek .... or
Explaining equals to colouring ..

I see you trying so fkin hard to explain ... so damn defensive ... there's something wrong here ... it's way pass midnight ... chill da fuk out and sleep ... rather than discussing about something that has no meaning for the whole night ... cheers
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The points are meant to give away, if u don't claim it, why don't just let them claim it? What so big deal? If u find it hard to digest, just apply all those dmn reward cards and hang it around your neck so you won't lose any damn points in the future.

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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Aug 16 2013, 01:45 AM)
Hey, you gotta understand. Somethings are really not worth talking about. If u nitpick on stuff like this i do not find you making society any better. Its like u complain the rubbish lady for collecting aluminum cans in trash that u dispose off. Its like you complain the rat eat from your garbage. Its like you complain your parent donate your old clothes without asking you. What are you? Scrooge McDuck?
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2013, 02:00 AM)
thrash are things we deliberately and consciously dispose of. reward points are rewarded to us for spending our money at their premises. reward points are the right of the customers to do as they please, as the thrash that we have on hand. so when i choose to dispose of the thrash, anybody can use it as they please.

but taking reward points that do not belong to them is stealing. do u see the point here?

back in the UK, the common practice in such situation is to hand the receipt to the customer to claim their reward points at a later date. never would the cashier or merchant claim the points on behalf of them. u see, the power of choice always belong to the customer. whether i choose to claim it, keep it but not claim it, dispose or donate it is up to me.

FREEDOM OF CHOICE.
assessment is about passing judgment. which is the core of the grading process. when the answers do not make sense, u pass a verdict that penalises the student (by not giving marks). and this in turn be evaluated as a weakness of the student for not being able to produce better answers.

i could go on about this but it'll take another night.
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Aiyoh yo,you academics are so small-minded and calculate small2 things liddis.

No wonder the English philosopher George Bernard Shaw said "those who CAN DO,those who CANNOT TEACH". How accurate. No wonder the American author Mark Twain said "School interrupted my education".

Geez,in MY if you forget your reward card or did not apply for one you can't go back to claim. If UK is so good why dun you go back there? Tak suka you keluar lah hahahaha you small-minded academic. Is it bcs academics are not well-paid? They have never been as well-paid as now but look at how lousy most of the are,teachers included.

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i find the "tak apa" attitude in this thread unnerving.
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tak peduli


kalau abang peduli, sila lah buat big hoo haa pada offending cashier itu.. then post @ facebook , bark at twitter , etc2.
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:31 PM)
wuts wrong with that?

if u hv the card (forgoten to bring) n she swipe hers, u blame the cashier. padahal its ur fault

if u dun hv the card, u blame her for swiping her card. which IS ur fault too

she cash in that amount, is her effort la. ppl put in the effort to cari makan, not like some race, cannot cari makan blame the world
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2013, 01:05 AM)
then all academics will fry in hell when we mark the exam papers.
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Aug 16 2013, 02:14 AM)
You still do not get it do you? If i told you "one man trash is another mans treasure." So the alum can u treat as trash can be sold for money. If one day u think, "crap, im throwing a lot of these all year. Why not keep them to be sold for money?" So u throw away and take back.

Freedom of choice? U have a choice of not making a debate out of it. Your choice of accusing them of stealing. Your choice is more like having them jailed. Your choice is also like making them be fired. Your choice if making virtual point system look like the only thing more valuable than gold. Your choice is nitpicking on stupid things like this. Some choice u have.

Back in UK? Back in UK? If you agree much to UK lifestyle, try and make your CHOICE to live there. U probably won't have to argue about being stolen of points from your shopping anymore. Then don't nit pick about not being able to fit in since u agree to their system. Once your CHOICE of being in UK, you can cross out all your other choices because UK is automatically CORRECT choice. U do not need to loose brain cells making decisions.  rolleyes.gif
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is it so bad to have an expectation for people to understand and learn about common courtesy in this eroding society ? the argument is not about the how big the value being exchanged because most of the time people wouldn't mind the point to be given away

or are you implying good ethics should only be practiced only when the value exchanged is huge ? if people can learn to respect each other even for the slightest issue, what is more to say for the big issue ? is it so hard to understand the concept ?

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Wow. The level of stingyness in this thread is very disturbing.

Well I guess what some people said is right. Certain people just can't stand seeing other people happy.
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QUOTE(Hexism @ Aug 16 2013, 04:09 AM)
ini standard retort lecturer utm ke ?

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While I think its too much to call it stealing, I agree with TS that its wrong for cashiers to do such things. Its just rude and unprofessional. Now, if he had asked for permission or if the customer had told him to do it then fine. But swiping his own reward card without consideration is wrong. No matter how you think about it, whether it being a small matter or amount, its still wrong and unethical.

This is not even the question about being stingy or charitable. Most people if asked, will just say OK and let the cashier do as they please but the keyword here is asked.

Where is our manners if we just take something that doesn't belong to us in front of the owner without asking?

Generally, Asians are passive. We prefer not to stir trouble over small matters even if it's within our rights. You may be courteous by closing an eye, but that still wouldn't right a wrong.
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if you are not taking it, dont get pissed with somebody else pick it.

if you want your point, provide your card at the transaction
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I dont mind if I did not bring my rewards card, rather than let those points go to waste, at least somebody else can use them
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Tak payah nak kedekut sangat TS. U rugi apa dia swipe dia punya kad? Dasar tak boleh tengok orang lain senang
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:19 PM)
gua tak kesah pun.. daripada points tu sesia je tak pegi kat sapa2..

anggap la sedekah, dapat pahala.. buka thread camni, hilang pahala tu..
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Bro, berapa point yang kau marah sangat ni?

Banyak sangat ke yang sampai buat perangai kena rompak ni?
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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Aug 16 2013, 07:08 AM)
Bro, berapa point yang kau marah sangat ni?

Banyak sangat ke yang sampai buat perangai kena rompak ni?
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i want to know what is the amount required to be entitle to "buat perangai kena rompak"

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i want to know what is the amount required to be entitle to "buat perangai kena rompak"
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That's why I ask how many points been taken.
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Typical tered back fired.

Read through ten pages this morning.

My thought. Stop using cash and use cc for petrol. At weekend three,/five times points somemore.

ANd keep an eye on all their wrong doing. Best way to get cancer.

FOrget and forgive. Yes. Greedy bastxxx everywhere. If u cant fight them. Join them.

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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Bagi jelah kalau takde or terlupa bawak card. Bakhil sangat kenapa? Mesti mamat ni jenis kedekut nk mampos in real life
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TS rage while getting his rewards point "taken" from him.
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That's why I ask how many points been taken.
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i think around RM 1k worth of points being taken

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Tak payah nak kedekut sangat TS. U rugi apa dia swipe dia punya kad? Dasar tak boleh tengok orang lain senang
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Saya sependapat dengan tuan OP topik ni...

Bukan soal kedekut di sini tapi adab dan kesopanan..walaupun benda tu kecil, tapi hakikatnya rewards points tu milik kita, hatta kita tak claim sekalipun dan kalau tak kerana kita berbelanja dengan duit kita, takkan ada pun reward point tu..jadi casier tu sebenarnya takda hak apa pun nak claim pakai kad dia..tapi kita pun tak kisah sangat kalau casier tu nak claim reward point tu tapi bukankah manis kalau dia bagitau dan minta kebenaran dari kita dulu..kita pun bukan keberatan cuma jangan lah terus swipe card dia sendiri tanpa segan silu mcm org takda adab

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QUOTE(FourZeroFour @ Aug 16 2013, 08:03 AM)
Saya sependapat dengan tuan OP topik ni...

Bukan soal kedekut di sini tapi adab dan kesopanan..walaupun benda tu kecil, tapi hakikatnya rewards points tu milik kita, hatta kita tak claim sekalipun dan kalau tak kerana kita berbelanja dengan duit kita, takkan ada pun reward point tu..jadi casier tu sebenarnya takda hak apa pun nak claim pakai kad dia..tapi kita pun tak kisah sangat kalau casier tu nak claim reward point tu tapi bukankah manis kalau dia bagitau dan minta kebenaran dari kita dulu..kita pun bukan keberatan cuma jangan lah terus swipe card dia sendiri tanpa segan silu mcm org takda adab
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Dan hari ni orang kita ada yang sampai bawa bekas tupperware masa pergi ke majlis terbuka orang untuk tapau makanan pun sebab sikap "tak apa" macam ni lah..tak apa orang tak kisah, boleh ambik je.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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You're not losing anything and technically that's not stealing as nothing has been taken from you. You do not qualify for points if you don't have the card.
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Dahla terlupa, kedekut pula

Macam boleh bawa mati point tu
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QUOTE(Drian @ Aug 16 2013, 08:24 AM)
You're not losing anything  and technically that's not stealing as nothing has been taken from you. You do not qualify for points if you don't have the card.
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Point is given to you as a loyal customer. If you did not bring your card or you do not subscribe for one, the point in turn will not be given to anyone.

How does it not qualify as stealing if one helps themselves with the point meant for you without your consent?

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company punya swipe card. points paling banyak, menang gift, bagi the best employee of the month.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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janganlah kedekut.. islam teach to share share, If u forget bring own kad or takde bagi je lah.. not that u got kad they dun 1 let u use own and use theirs oso..

For me i just not care la wat they do if I dun haf own kad. Not like u will need pay them for the reward also doh.gif

Dah kaya raya lagi kedekut
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I feel some people here quite ignorant at times.

It's like when we see a beggar, we will say do charity, pity them, what you don't need give them, etc.

But when they manage to accumulate and net in a lot of money in a day, that will make it to the news and then a lot of people will butthurt.
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tis cashier also.. want to swipe but no manners to ask, then dun do it infront of the paying customer la.. wait till he walks away and dont see it.. must pandai pandai ma.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(robeng @ Aug 16 2013, 08:30 AM)
Dahla terlupa, kedekut pula

Macam boleh bawa mati point tu
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imagine like this, you go in taxi, terlupa tertinggal phone dlm taxi. Driver taxi notice the phone dropped from your pocket, took it senyap2 without saying anything.

From you guys saying, biarla 3310 je pun... bukan boleh bwk mati, sedekah je.

Ethics, bro, where's the farking work ethics? Even if phone or card no value, inform the farking customer pls.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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how much do u spend monthly in aeon/big/tesco?

the points they get from u is peanuts. since u do not lose anything, just take it as a charity
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 09:13 AM)
I feel some people here quite ignorant at times.

It's like when we see a beggar, we will say do charity, pity them, what you don't need give them, etc.

But when they manage to accumulate and net in a lot of money in a day, that will make it to the news and then a lot of people will butthurt.
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QUOTE(hirano @ Aug 16 2013, 09:15 AM)
imagine like this, you go in taxi, terlupa tertinggal phone dlm taxi. Driver taxi notice the phone dropped from your pocket, took it senyap2 without saying anything.

From you guys saying, biarla 3310 je pun... bukan boleh bwk mati, sedekah je.

Ethics, bro, where's the farking work ethics? Even if phone or card no value, inform the farking customer pls.
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your analogy is wrong.

if you drop ur phone and the taxi drivers tell u "oi, ur phone dun wan ka?". u will take back ur phone. so if he take the phone, u lose something

if u forgot ur loyalty card and the cashier ask u "mana loyalty card?". can u produce the card at that moment? no. so in the end, u lose nothing
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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Aug 16 2013, 09:15 AM)
how much do u spend monthly in aeon/big/tesco?

the points they get from u is peanuts. since u do not lose anything, just take it as a charity
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If 100 people did not bring their card or do not have a card, who will benefit the most?

Sure, if the cashier who swiped with their card, redeemed items and give it to charity. I will most likely approve of it. But do they? If they do or they don't, who knows?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 16 2013, 09:14 AM)
tis cashier also.. want to swipe but no manners to ask, then dun do it infront of the paying customer la.. wait till he walks away and dont see it.. must pandai pandai ma.. biggrin.gif
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bro, cannot do like that la. must swipe before making payment only can register the points
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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Aug 16 2013, 09:18 AM)
bro, cannot do like that la. must swipe before making payment only can register the points
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oh.. then they better learn some manners. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 09:18 AM)
If 100 people did not bring their card or do not have a card, who will benefit the most?

Sure, if the cashier who swiped with their card, redeemed items and give it to charity. I will most likely approve of it. But do they? If they do or they don't, who knows?
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1) assuming u spend rm1000 there monthly (which most household does not), they only get RM10 per person per month. and not everyone forgot their card. and there is more than 1 cashier.

2) my charity means charity to the CASHIER. but that's just me. i dont believe in 3rd party charity aka i-collect-this-money-for-xxx-company. i only deals in direct charity
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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Aug 16 2013, 09:17 AM)
your analogy is wrong.

if you drop ur phone and the taxi drivers tell u "oi, ur phone dun wan ka?". u will take back ur phone. so if he take the phone, u lose something

if u forgot ur loyalty card and the cashier ask u "mana loyalty card?". can u produce the card at that moment? no. so in the end, u lose nothing
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So even though I don't have the card, the point still belongs to me, as a loyal customer.

The point should go back to the rewards company, not merchant.
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Aiyoh yo,you academics are so small-minded and calculate small2 things liddis.

No wonder the English philosopher George Bernard Shaw said "those who CAN DO,those who CANNOT TEACH". How accurate. No wonder the American author Mark Twain said "School interrupted my education".

Geez,in MY if you forget your reward card or did not apply for one you can't go back to claim. If UK is so good why dun you go back there? Tak suka you keluar lah hahahaha you small-minded academic. Is it bcs academics are not well-paid? They have never been as well-paid as now but look at how lousy most of the are,teachers included.
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:27 PM)
no, i dont. i find ur kiamsiapness.... disturbing.

wuts wrong with it?

if u hv the card (forgoten to bring) n she swipe hers, u blame the cashier

if u dun hv the card, u blame her for swiping her card

she manade steal from u? its ur fault. man it n move on la.

same like some race,

if they lazy, blame the pendatang

tak boleh berak, blame the floor hard
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 09:21 AM)
So even though I don't have the card, the point still belongs to me, as a loyal customer.

The point should go back to the rewards company, not merchant.
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the definition of loyal customers nowadays is anyone who brings their "membership" card. even a first time shopper can get the points if he has the membership cards. so by not bringing the cards, it means you are not a loyal customers.
that is the current definition of loyal customers by them
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 09:13 AM)
I feel some people here quite ignorant at times.

It's like when we see a beggar, we will say do charity, pity them, what you don't need give them, etc.

But when they manage to accumulate and net in a lot of money in a day, that will make it to the news and then a lot of people will butthurt.
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who exactly are these 'we' and 'they' ? dey apu you don't simple come here throw huge blanket terms then dance around.

also ; bad analogies , langsung tak sama.
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QUOTE(Hexism @ Aug 16 2013, 09:25 AM)
who exactly are these 'we' and 'they' ? dey apu you don't simple come here throw huge blanket terms then dance around.

also ; bad analogies , langsung tak sama.
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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Aug 16 2013, 09:21 AM)
1) assuming u spend rm1000 there monthly (which most household does not), they only get RM10 per person per month. and not everyone forgot their card. and there is more than 1 cashier.

2) my charity means charity to the CASHIER. but that's just me. i dont believe in 3rd party charity aka i-collect-this-money-for-xxx-company. i only deals in direct charity
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1) A little goes a long way?

2) Charity is done voluntarily. Not by sneakily swiping your own card and taking without informing. Even if I don't specifically say it, it does not mean you can help yourself with it.
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QUOTE(Hexism @ Aug 16 2013, 09:25 AM)
who exactly are these 'we' and 'they' ? dey apu you don't simple come here throw huge blanket terms then dance around.

also ; bad analogies , langsung tak sama.
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Why not? Most people who replied here considers them to be a form of charity, like giving to a beggar?
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letting the staff have it or let the company keep the profit or keeping it to yourself?
use brain chooooosssssssseeeeeeeeee laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

oh noes, using your mouth to biatch moar > use brain chooseeeeeeeeeeeeeee laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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At first read, I'd say TS is stingy just like other forumers, however after second read, I kinda agree with TS on this. It is not about stingy or not, it is just about courtesy and being polite, which is kinda lacking in Malaysian culture. For me also, I would happily let them swipe their card if I forgot or I do not have the membership if they asked nicely.

Anyway, in all the cases I just shrugged and let it go only. The points would be wasted anyway and might as well they swipe to keep it. Just it would be much better if they asked for it. smile.gif
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I lol at TS.



In India, if ppl dont finish their food, they put it in a special tin and the poor can eat the left overs.
And thats food yo, no some stupid points.

TS sendiri bangang tak nak ambil loyalty card, tapi boleh pulak tak nak bagi orang lain. puuuuuuiikkk!!

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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:19 PM)
gua tak kesah pun.. daripada points tu sesia je tak pegi kat sapa2..

anggap la sedekah, dapat pahala.. buka thread camni, hilang pahala tu..
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TS prefer panggil sedara mara shopping and Q behind him to get the point from him maybe? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(zoldane @ Aug 16 2013, 09:30 AM)
letting the staff have it or let the company keep the profit or keeping it to yourself?
use brain chooooosssssssseeeeeeeeee laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

oh noes, using your mouth to biatch moar > use brain chooseeeeeeeeeeeeeee laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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There is 3 party here. The company offering rewards, the merchant representing the company offering the reward and us, the consumer.

If you reject the point, the company offering the reward would lose almost nothing. The people benefitting it would be the merchant because they helped themselves with your point.
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QUOTE(Volfeed @ Aug 16 2013, 09:31 AM)

Anyway, in all the cases I just shrugged and let it go only. The points would be wasted anyway and might as well they swipe to keep it. Just it would be much better if they asked for it.  smile.gif
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agree with this....
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 09:27 AM)
1) A little goes a long way?

2) Charity is done voluntarily. Not by sneakily swiping your own card and taking without informing. Even if I don't specifically say it, it does not mean you can help yourself with it.
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1) RM10 x 10 people x 12 months = RM1200
thats a long way? and this is using a higher norms

2) dont tell me you didnt see her swipe her card when you are paying? if u dont like it, just ask her to stop and dont pay. ask her to get her manager come to void the transaction and start a new transactions. simple as that. since u do not stop her, doesnt it mean u voluntarily give her the points?

and yes it can be done. i done it a few times when the s**pid tesco (its still under tesco at that time) refuse to let me use the trolley to bring my purchases to my car. its on saturday and there's no plastic bag. imagine carrying 50++ smalls item with 2 hands all the way to your car. i told her straight "if u dont let me use the trolley, u can forget about this transaction. i will cancel it. not happy, call ur manager to deal with me"
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QUOTE(junbecks @ Aug 16 2013, 09:31 AM)
I lol at TS.
In India, if ppl dont finish their food, they put it in a special tin and the poor can eat the left overs.
And thats food yo, no some stupid points.

TS sendiri bangang tak nak ambil loyalty card, tapi boleh pulak tak nak bagi orang lain. puuuuuuiikkk!!
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in India, ppl sell tap water as mineral water. and yes that is a big deal because the tap water in India is very dirty. if u r not born there, there's a high chance for you to get a stomach ache if u drink the tap water
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 09:33 AM)
There is 3 party here. The company offering rewards, the merchant representing the company offering the reward and us, the consumer.

If you reject the point, the company offering the reward would lose almost nothing. The people benefitting it would be the merchant because they helped themselves with your point.
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4 la
the staff ler?

and wait, i still cant brain how it works here
merchants? who?
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QUOTE(nickisthemost @ Aug 16 2013, 04:13 AM)
is it so bad to have an expectation for people to understand and learn about common courtesy in this eroding society ? the argument is not about the how big the value being exchanged because most of the time people wouldn't mind the point to be given away

or are you implying good ethics should only be practiced only when the value exchanged is huge ? if people can learn to respect each other even for the slightest issue, what is more to say for the big issue ? is it so hard to understand the concept ?
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courtesy and ethics - these people never have it, including many of these /ktards. Such a shame, bro.

They all only think about value, money, valur, money, and nothing else.

I give up on these stupid bunch now. Abandoning thread.
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while the cashier is in the wrong for not asking politely, i think its sheer pettiness on the part of TS, TS loses nothing except his own feeling of being ripped off. its all in his mind, he has lost nothing.

Its like complaining someone took big breaths next to you and sucked in all the good air.

I admit im biased cos i work in retail, and petty customers really drive us up the wall

to the TS, my advice is

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Also as to the beggar analogy, if you feel butthurt after you give 50sen and find out he earns more then you, then its not really charity is it? the whole point of charity is to give freely and expect nothing in return. btw i dont give beggars money precisely because i think they are all frauds haha
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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only you so calculative...

if you didn't bring your own, or don't have one on your own, what is wrong with letting them have those few measly reward points?
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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Aug 16 2013, 09:34 AM)
1) RM10 x 10 people x 12 months = RM1200
thats a long way? and this is using a higher norms

2) dont tell me you didnt see her swipe her card when you are paying? if u dont like it, just ask her to stop and dont pay. ask her to get her manager come to void the transaction and start a new transactions. simple as that. since u do not stop her, doesnt it mean u voluntarily give her the points?

and yes it can be done. i done it a few times when the s**pid tesco (its still under tesco at that time) refuse to let me use the trolley to bring my purchases to my car. its on saturday and there's no plastic bag. imagine carrying 50++ smalls item with 2 hands all the way to your car. i told her straight "if u dont let me use the trolley, u can forget about this transaction. i will cancel it. not happy, call ur manager to deal with me"
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So on point 2 really? Do I have to explicitly say it? The points are mine. If I explicitly say I'm giving you then you can have it. Else it's not yours.

It's like your house. If you put a few pots of flower outside your house. does that give your neighbors the right to take it? Do you have to remind your neighbor not to take it?
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 09:43 AM)
So on point 2 really? Do I have to explicitly say it? The points are mine. If I explicitly say I'm giving you then you can have it. Else it's not yours.

It's like your house. If you put a few pots of flower outside your house. does that give your neighbors the right to take it? Do you have to remind your neighbor not to take it?
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yes. you are right. they are not supposed to take ur flower pots because its yours.

refer back to my earlier posts. the points system rewards anyone (not only loyal customer. they dont care if you have been shopping with them for the last 100 years) who brings their loyalty card. since u do not bring yours, the point is not yours.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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For me is ok la, cashier wasnt owning much money so just give them la,dont rage because of a small thing, cheers biggrin.gif
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does it affect u in any negative way?
no right? so shut up and suck it up

thats how the world revolve. every bit of profit are harvested especially by these lower class to middle class people
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FFUUUUU laju gila this thread.
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QUOTE(boyot @ Aug 15 2013, 10:17 PM)
Most likely you are cheapskate to even donate and you wanted to feel charitable without giving them a cent
Do you also rage if cat eat your dropped food on the floor?
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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Aug 16 2013, 09:47 AM)
yes. you are right. they are not supposed to take ur flower pots because its yours.

refer back to my earlier posts. the points system rewards anyone (not only loyal customer. they dont care if you have been shopping with them for the last 100 years) who brings their loyalty card. since u do not bring yours, the point is not yours.
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Yes but under what circumstances do they reward you? When you pay for your purchase! So that point is yours regardless if you want it or not. If I don't want, then it doesn't mean you can swipe without informing.

If I want to do charity I will tell you to swipe with your card. Else, I do not have to remind you not to swipe like how I don't need to remind my neighbor not to take my plants.
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 09:54 AM)
Yes but under what circumstances do they reward you? When you pay for your purchase! So that point is yours regardless if you want it or not. If I don't want, then it doesn't mean you can swipe without informing.

If I want to do charity I will tell you to swipe with your card. Else, I do not have to remind you not to swipe like how I don't need to remind my neighbor not to take my plants.
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btw...collecting point rewards is "TO ME" and only "MY OPINION" is more or less like u were buying things that came with big cardboard boxes...

which the recycle shop willing to pay you for it (to buy from you) when u got too much of unused boxes....(thats the member card for...the point storage)

....but lets say u didnt subscribe or didnt bring the card..its like u were already dumping the boxes to your garbage bin..waiting for the alam flora guy dispose it the next day...but when the alam flora guy came...they keep the cardboard boxes for their recycle and dispose your other garbage inside the dump truck....


so the question is: will u do this?:yell at them and says: dont steal my cardboard box...go dump it in the dump truck!!


hmm.gif i'm wondering.....
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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Since you forgot to bring your loyalty card.. And the items require loyalty card for discounted price, will you let her swipe her card, you earn the discounted price and she getting the loyalty points? icon_idea.gif

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Most likely you are cheapskate to even donate and you wanted to feel charitable without giving them a cent
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QUOTE(^pomen_GTR^ @ Aug 16 2013, 10:04 AM)
btw...collecting point rewards is "TO ME" and only "MY OPINION" is more or less like u were buying things that came with big cardboard boxes...

which the recycle shop willing to pay you for it (to buy from you) when u got too much of unused boxes....(thats the member card for...the point storage)

....but lets say u didnt subscribe or didnt bring the card..its like u were already dumping the boxes to your garbage bin..waiting for the alam flora guy dispose it the next day...but when the alam flora guy came...they keep the cardboard boxes for their recycle and dispose your other garbage inside the dump truck....
so the question is: will u do this?:yell at them and says: dont steal my cardboard box...go dump it in the dump truck!!
hmm.gif i'm wondering.....
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If we don't want the point, that point would have gone back to the company offering the rewards.

Likewise, if the product manufacturer offers me the box as optional, I would say I am not interested in the box; you can keep it.

It's altogether 2 different thing.
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Point is given to you as a loyal customer. If you did not bring your card or you do not subscribe for one, the point in turn will not be given to anyone.

How does it not qualify as stealing if one helps themselves with the point meant for you without your consent?
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You first statement is only partially accurate. Point is given to you if you have a card. If you don't have the card so no points is given to you.
Because you don't have the card so it's NOT given to you. It's not "meant for you" if you don't have the card. No card means you don't own or claim to own any points. Don't own any points means nothing has been taken from you. Nothing has been taken from you means not qualified as stealing.
You are assuming that you own the points. You don't when you don't have the card.

You can argue that he is breaching the terms and condition of the company giving out the points but nothing has been taken from you. So the victim here is the company technically cause he breached the terms and condition but it's definitely not you that's for sure because you don't own the points in the first place.

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aiya takpa la...if you no card swap also the point wasted...if they want swap let them lo...to me i am okay with it...
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QUOTE(Drian @ Aug 16 2013, 10:20 AM)
You first statement is only partially accurate. Point is given to you if you have a card. If you don't have the card so no points is given to you.
Because you don't have the card so it's NOT given to you. It's not "meant for you" if you don't have the card. No card means you don't own or claim to own any points. Don't own any points means nothing has been taken from you. Nothing has been taken from you means not qualified as stealing.
You are assuming that you own the points. You don't when you don't have the card.

You can argue that he is breaching the terms and condition of the company giving out the points but nothing has been taken from you. Nothing.
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Seriously? Do you know how reward program works? Read up Wikipedia. It says "loyalty program are structured marketing efforts that reward therefore encourage loyal buying behavior."

The point is given to you because you are a loyal customer and you shopped and purchased something with money from them. Hence they reward you for spending and you effectively paid for them points.

The card is a piece of plastic card that holds information such as your details or the amount of points you have.

If they say you have a card then you're entitled for a point, might as well put a terminal so everyone can swipe and enjoy unlimited points.

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Reward cards seems pointless to me, all it did was to encourage spendings, in which they used all the information collected through your spending to map up your spending behaviors and tailor their marketing strategy to market more useless things to you.

It used to be a decade or two ago that a person with thick wallet might be a well to do guy with a wallet full of money. Now a person with thick wallets are most likely having nothing but cards that encourages you to buy more useless stuffs and keep you in debt.

Hence to answer TS question, I don't give a damn if the cashier takes all my rewards points, as far as I know I don't want my spending habits being collected and analyze by stupid corporations planning to sell me more useless junks.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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The shell station near the KWSP Petaling Jaya building practice this.
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QUOTE(hirano @ Aug 16 2013, 09:15 AM)
imagine like this, you go in taxi, terlupa tertinggal phone dlm taxi. Driver taxi notice the phone dropped from your pocket, took it senyap2 without saying anything.

From you guys saying, biarla 3310 je pun... bukan boleh bwk mati, sedekah je.

Ethics, bro, where's the farking work ethics? Even if phone or card no value, inform the farking customer pls.
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QUOTE(^pomen_GTR^ @ Aug 16 2013, 10:04 AM)
btw...collecting point rewards is "TO ME" and only "MY OPINION" is more or less like u were buying things that came with big cardboard boxes...

which the recycle shop willing to pay you for it (to buy from you) when u got too much of unused boxes....(thats the member card for...the point storage)

....but lets say u didnt subscribe or didnt bring the card..its like u were already dumping the boxes to your garbage bin..waiting for the alam flora guy dispose it the next day...but when the alam flora guy came...they keep the cardboard boxes for their recycle and dispose your other garbage inside the dump truck....
so the question is: will u do this?:yell at them and says: dont steal my cardboard box...go dump it in the dump truck!!
hmm.gif i'm wondering.....
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Ts why so selfish if u offer your card and he didn't swipe yes cheating. But after he ask u said dont have he swipe whats wrong the point have to go somewhere. Charitably abit u dont use give ppl la.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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Why you so butthurt? If you don't want them to receive the reward points, then use your reward card la.
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seriously, I don't mind at all, if I want the reward at the first place, I go shop there everyday and make sure I have the card in my wallet. I really don't mind if they want to swipe theirs if I don't bring my card.

I'm not richfags btw, maybe richfags will feel like they are being robbed if something like this happen to them. TS (lecturer) > cashier (PMR level), so maybe this is the reason why. just my two cents.
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I think most people miss the point, no one is going to stop them from taking reward points, wouldn't it better if they offer politeness to get it ? Again this not about being stingy or superior complex, it's about encouraging good value
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:20 PM)
i find the "tak apa" attitude in this thread unnerving.

because most people in /k/ don't have the same "i don't want it but you can't have it" arsehole mentality as you do? tongue.gif
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this is stupid enough
lining up to pay is already a 15minutes affair
and after paying standing there and fucuking the counter girl for something like this?

kolos please

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LoL,

there this shell station in my area practising this.

If u say no Bonuslink, they will swipe with their card instead..

for me, as long as they don't do it to those who have bonuslink. its ok..
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:18 PM)
did you miss the difference between stealing and charity?

charity is by choice. getting your selipar stolen at the mosque would force you to just give up and sedekah the selipar. sedekah is by choice, not by force.
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obviously , not many share the same feeling or line of thought as you. If you feel strongly about it. then next time tell their manager or report.

petronas/shell should come up with a mechanism to curb this. since the companies actually pays bonuslink/shell for every point claimed.


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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 10:26 AM)
Seriously? Do you know how reward program works? Read up Wikipedia. It says "loyalty program are structured marketing efforts that reward therefore encourage loyal buying behavior."

The point is given to you because you are a loyal customer and you shopped and purchased something with money from them. Hence they reward you for spending and you effectively paid for them points.

The card is a piece of plastic card that holds information such as your details or the amount of points you have.

If they say you have a card then you're entitled for a point, might as well put a terminal so everyone can swipe and enjoy unlimited points.
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Seriously how many times I want to repeat. You don't have the reward card, no points are given to you. Seriously? You can put out the definition of a reward program a thousand times but unless you have the card at that point of time, you're not entitled to have the points at that point of time.
You keep on repeating on how the reward program works but you fail to realise that if you don't have the reward card, you are not entitled to the reward program at that point in time. It's as simple as that. Whatever definition of a card based reward program that you dish out will only be valid if you have a reward card. You don't have the card you don't own the points.


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If they say you have a card then you're entitled for a point, might as well put a terminal so everyone can swipe and enjoy unlimited points.


You can do that if the other person doesn't have a card but you'll be breaking the company's reward card terms and condition, but once the other person have a card then you no longer can do that because now the person is entitled to the points and therefore he own that points.
As I said before you can argue that the person is breaking the company's reward card terms and condition by disguising your purchase as his but you cannot say that he has stole from you.
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QUOTE(Drian @ Aug 16 2013, 11:39 AM)
Seriously how many times I want to repeat. You don't have the reward card, no points are given to you. Seriously? You can put out the definition of a reward program a thousand times but unless you have the card at that point of time, you're not entitled to have the points at that point of time.
You keep on repeating on how the reward program works but you fail to realise that if you don't have the reward card, you are not entitled to the reward program at that point in time. It's as simple as that. Whatever definition of a card based reward program that you dish out will only be valid if you have a reward card. You don't have the card you don't own the points.
You can  do that if the other person doesn't have a card but you'll be breaking the company's reward card terms and condition, but once the other person have a card then you no longer can do that because now the person is entitled to the points and therefore he own that points.
As I said before you can argue that the person is breaking the company's reward card terms and condition by disguising your purchase as his but you cannot say that he has stole from you.
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The points are mine I paid for it. I don't get the point because I don't have the card, fine. But does that give the cashier the right to take my points when they don't pay?

Cashier in Shell station for example don't work for Bonuslink. If Bonuslink offers me reward points and I don't have a card, it should go back to Bonuslink, not the Shell station cashier.

The gist here is that people are taking advantage of such scenario where people fail to bring their card or people don't have card at all. If I don't get the points, it should go back to the rewards company. Merchant, cashiers should not swipe on behalf of customer.

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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 11:54 AM)
The points are mine I paid for it. I don't get the point because I don't have the card, fine. But does that give the cashier the right to take my points when they don't pay?

Cashier in Shell station for example don't work for Bonuslink. If Bonuslink offers me reward points and I don't have a card, it should go back to Bonuslink, not the Shell station cashier.

The gist here is that people are taking advantage of such scenario where people fail to bring their card or people don't have card at all. If I don't get the points, it should go back to the rewards company. Merchant, cashiers should not swipe on behalf of customer.
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Then the claim should be that person breaking the terms and condition of the reward card rather than stealing from you.
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LoL,

there this  shell station in my area practising this.

If u say no Bonuslink, they will swipe with their card instead..

for me, as long as they don't do it to those who have bonuslink. its ok..
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Some doesn't even ask, straight swipe their card assuming people doesn't have it when you present the cash without it
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Then the claim should be that person breaking the terms and condition of the reward card rather than stealing from you.
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So if you placed your phone on the bar top table and someone takes it, he would have just violated the house rules but not stealing right?
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superiority complex mah... always have to one-up people , but this one have to stoop so low only can one-up cashiers LOL
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A race that forever feels small deep inside can never one-up others no matter how high up they go in life bcs they always know that if they have to go thru the front door and compete on a level-playing field they can never win. I always feel sorry that they have been reduced to this level yet they steadfastly cling on to their various tongkats which their political masters make them believe that if they throw these tongkats away they will sure tumbang. We cainis never have such confidence problem. We courageously go forth into the world and conquer it. Look at China today! Soon people will start pointing their fingers at me,calling me a cainis MCP LOL and why not?

Academics always argue on grounds of principle. However,no need to be so inflexible. See the situation. If life and death situation still must ask the man for his credit card etc as collateral before admitting him into hospital? Then,what's the meaning of emergency. If he's still able to hand you his credit card and tell you his religion and race he won't need emergency services.

TS is an architect yet he can be such a small man. He should join the private sector to see the attitude and behaviour of business people. Then he would throw away this shallow,small-man attitude. Shameful for an architect to think this way. Ownself cannot get the thing but guard jealously and won't allow other less fortunate people to share in his good fortune. Walao If cainis have this attitude they would have been suffering from heartache since 1970 hahahaha what for cry over something that will ultimately reduce us to nothing?
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 12:30 PM)
So if you placed your phone on the bar top table and someone takes it, he would have just violated the house rules but not stealing right?
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You own the phone in this scenario. I don't see how is this similar to the scenario posted.
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Ts..Ko ni melayu negeri mana ni.?.

Tungkek bertingkat-tingkat.

Nasib la aku takde kawan melayu macam ni.

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QUOTE(Drian @ Aug 16 2013, 01:03 PM)
You own the phone in this scenario. I don't see how is this similar to the scenario posted.
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Why not? I shopped, I paid, I get the points. They're mine. If I don't get the points because I don't have a card then so be it. But that does not give cashiers the right to swipe for my points unless i give them the green light.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 15 2013, 10:13 PM)
i'm sure this has happened to you before. i just wanna know if any of you are equally pissed at this behaviour as i am. situation is like this:

reward cards are basically point redeem system which rewards you for being loyal. petronas has mesra card, shell uses bonuslink, aeon with its aeon card and so on. i noticed that when you forgot to bring your card or if you did not subscribe to the reward card system, the cashier will conveniently swipe their own card for your purchase.

to me, this is unacceptable. why are they benefiting out of my purchase? the reward points are the customers' regardless whether they want to claim it or not. at least ask for my permission because i do feel charitable most of the time. but never steal from me!

do you share the same feeling?
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been ask to pump oil station.They said to frequent system detect fraud..I think just to help mere people..
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QUOTE(TheOwl @ Aug 16 2013, 12:45 PM)
A race that forever feels small deep inside can never one-up others no matter how high up they go in life bcs they always know that if they have to go thru the front door and compete on a level-playing field they can never win. I always feel sorry that they have been reduced to this level yet they steadfastly cling on to their various tongkats which their political masters make them believe that if they throw these tongkats away they will sure tumbang. We cainis never have such confidence problem. We courageously go forth into the world and conquer it. Look at China today! Soon people will start pointing their fingers at me,calling me a cainis MCP LOL and why not?

Academics always argue on grounds of principle. However,no need to be so inflexible. See the situation. If life and death situation still must ask the man for his credit card etc as collateral before admitting him into hospital? Then,what's the meaning of emergency. If he's still able to hand you his credit card and tell you his religion and race he won't need emergency services.

TS is an architect yet he can be such a small man. He should join the private sector to see the attitude and behaviour of business people. Then he would throw away this shallow,small-man attitude. Shameful for an architect to think this way. Ownself cannot get the thing but guard jealously and won't allow other less fortunate people to share in his good fortune. Walao If cainis have this attitude they would have been suffering from heartache since 1970 hahahaha what for cry over something that will ultimately reduce us to nothing?
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i rage when they don't even come back with the receipt or give change but no 5cent and don't say anything.

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do you rage when ppl dun gip you 5sen cos they no change?  biggrin.gif
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swipe card...can redeem RM5 petrol for kapchai to their rempit bf ....any minah will do that ...problem ?
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QUOTE(advocado @ Aug 16 2013, 01:29 PM)
i rage when they don't even come back with the receipt or give change but no 5cent and don't say anything.
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 01:19 PM)
Why not? I shopped, I paid, I get the points. They're mine. If I don't get the points because I don't have a card then so be it. But that does not give cashiers the right to swipe for my points unless i give them the green light.
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Cos phone you can still claim it back, points if didnt swipe is burn.
Point is TS rage until start thread abt this small thing. This also want nickpick, what abt the thousands of bigger things we face in life? Everyday rage lah like this,lol.
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i believe they have 5cents, just couldn't bother to give back and treat it like it's their rights to keep the 5cent.



QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 16 2013, 01:30 PM)
exactly.. just need to have manners or courtesy to inform.. not pretend dunno like they dont owe you anything.
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this butthurt tered by calculative TS also can reach page 25...
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QUOTE(advocado @ Aug 16 2013, 01:29 PM)
i rage when they don't even come back with the receipt or give change but no 5cent and don't say anything.
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This one I will rage, makan money didnt apologise.
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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Aug 16 2013, 01:32 PM)
Cos phone you can still claim it back, points if didnt swipe is burn.
Point is TS rage until start thread abt this small thing. This also want nickpick, what abt the thousands of bigger things we face in life? Everyday rage lah like this,lol.
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Please, there is nothing to be burned. If I purchased something and I don't want the reward points or I forget to bring my card, the company offering the rewards will not lose anything. It is a marketing campaign.

If the cashier or merchant swipes it on behalf of customer and redeem those points, they are jollying behind your back with your purchase.

Have the courtesy to ask. If I don't remind you not to swipe, don't assume I'll allow you to swipe.

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QUOTE(Endau03 @ Aug 16 2013, 10:40 AM)
ethics wont feed u... its the money that feeds u n pay ur bills
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i can see this pattern very clearly... rclxms.gif
especially when people buy lots of minions just to sell at a higher price
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 01:36 PM)
Please, there is nothing to be burned. If I purchased something and I don't want the reward points or I forget to bring my card, the company offering the rewards will not lose anything. It is a marketing campaign.

If the cashier or merchant swipes it on behalf of customer and redeem those points, they are jollying behind your back with your purchase.

Have the courtesy to ask. If I don't remind you not to swipe, don't assume I'll allow you to swipe.
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Then the statemet should be I'm unhappy with someone benefiting from my purchase rather than someone stealing my points.
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QUOTE(rockpoper @ Aug 15 2013, 10:15 PM)
real charitable people will not complain.
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Agree.

Lesson to TS, next time bring your reward card.
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Got so damn frustrated as I was reading this thread. So many people are clearly way off cue and missing the point here.

The damn fact is this, if you take something from someone that does not belong to you, don't care how much or how little, it could be a hair strand from his or her head for that matter, you must have the COURTESY to ask. TS has already said himself, he is more than willing to give if the person actually ask, so how can anyone label him based on this as 'kiasu' or 'calculative'?

It is not about being calculative or 'kiasu' like some of you have pointed out, its about being courteous. You think you are doing the person good by giving him or her your reward points? You are reinforcing that person's bad behaviour of not asking before he or she takes something from someone that does not belong to them and in the long run, that would be so much more damaging to that person than to not have gave your reward points to that person to begin with.

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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 16 2013, 01:19 PM)
Why not? I shopped, I paid, I get the points. They're mine. If I don't get the points because I don't have a card then so be it. But that does not give cashiers the right to swipe for my points unless i give them the green light.
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If you shop and paid , but have no card then they're not yours. If you don't get the points then why are you complaining someone stealing your points. It should be I'm so unhappy that someone is benefiting from my purchase rather than stealing my points. Someone stealing your points makes you the victim, in this case it's not because you don't get the points in the first place.

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QUOTE(Drian @ Aug 16 2013, 06:00 AM)
If you shop and paid , but have no card then they're not yours. If you don't get the points then why are you complaining someone stealing your points. It should be I'm so unhappy that someone is benefiting from my purchase rather than stealing my points. Someone stealing your points makes you the victim, in this case it's not because you don't get the points in the first place.
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so tell me, where do the points come from, if not generated by the purchase that i made with my money?

read up on company policies on rewards. it belongs to the person who spent the money. yeah, i checked.
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Personally, I would just give them the points. I don't see any problem giving them what I can't get. Although different than other ppl's opinion of "nevermind, just give them the points, TS is entitled to let his points burn rather than benefitting the cashier. It's his loyalty points after all. Just curious:
1. TS did u file a formal complaint and what is the outcome?
2. Would u have given them the points if they ask nicely?
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QUOTE(Drian @ Aug 16 2013, 02:00 PM)
If you shop and paid , but have no card then they're not yours. If you don't get the points then why are you complaining someone stealing your points. It should be I'm so unhappy that someone is benefiting from my purchase rather than stealing my points. Someone stealing your points makes you the victim, in this case it's not because you don't get the points in the first place.
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Well actually the points are also not the cashier's.
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QUOTE(estcin @ Aug 16 2013, 06:04 AM)
Personally, I would just give them the points. I don't see any problem giving them what I can't get. Although different than other ppl's opinion of "nevermind, just give them the points, TS is entitled to let his points burn rather than benefitting the cashier. It's his loyalty points after all. Just curious:
1. TS did u file a formal complaint  and what is the outcome?
2. Would u have given them the points if they ask nicely?
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1. have not filed a complaint yet. so far i've managed to tell every single cashier who's about to swipe their own card to not do so.
2. yes. heck, they dont have to ask nicely. the point is, just ask and it's yours.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 16 2013, 02:03 PM)
so tell me, where do the points come from, if not generated by the purchase that i made with my money?

read up on company policies on rewards. it belongs to the person who spent the money. yeah, i checked.
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So can you claim the reward points by using receipt since you said that it belongs to the person who spent the money?

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QUOTE(Drian @ Aug 16 2013, 02:00 PM)
If you shop and paid , but have no card then they're not yours. If you don't get the points then why are you complaining someone stealing your points. It should be I'm so unhappy that someone is benefiting from my purchase rather than stealing my points. Someone stealing your points makes you the victim, in this case it's not because you don't get the points in the first place.
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doh.gif. You shop and paid. The reward points are awarded based on the amount spent on the purchase. Again, you SHOP and PAID. The reward points is yours, not the cashiers, its not a floating commodity for people to rush and grab. Its yours. Even if you have no card, its still yours. If you reject the points, the management have the right to give it to the cashier if they want to. But the problem here is the management didn't agree to do such things and the cashier are doing it behind everyone's back.
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