if it is a frequent thing.. might as well invest in a hard case or you risk damaging your bike in the cargo.. you don't know how those fella handle your bike when moving them..

else, get the corrugated shipping box that is used to ship the bikes when new from bike shop.. and find lots of styrofoam padding...

here is a good article on how to pack them as safely as you can...
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/article/how-...-your-bike-854/

are you basing all this on reviews

carbon bikes are going to be inevitably harsh if you compare it to the best steel and Ti frames out there... it is a trade off but in the trade off...you gain efficient power transfer via a stiffer frame... and possibly lesser weight...

as for the 3 models... avanti, from a brand point of view is the one where there is most ??? over it in terms of brand sustainability... we know for sure scott and specialize won't go away but avanti has the chance of disappearing from the market if the shop selling it goes bust (which i know they won't lar, bikeplus have deep pockets)

the sl3 if s-works would be a great choice if priced at RM8k... the frame was last sold at something quite close to 5k? so, 3k left for an ultegra group + cockpit + wheel is kinda impossible to achieve...

at the end of the day... you have to consider other factors like... does it have the right size for you? do you like the bike itself (Aesthetically)? do you like dealing with the shop that sells it? my final choices would personally be between the scott and specialized (s-works or not).. for close to RM8k... no interest in an advanti...

willier??? have to be campy fan wer....

s-works and normal spez has quite a bit of difference... in terms of weight, carbon layup affecting the stiffness and ride quality of the bike itself...

godzilla is just right behind gh speedbikes in kota damansara
http://www.godzillacycles.com/contact.html

This post has been edited by butt-head: Aug 24 2013, 03:58 PM

wat!!!

some interesting read

i thought that is something you can lose by riding a horse or a bike...

hmm scott is newer model but 1k + cheaper then sl3, so does it means the extra money goes into the brand name and better group set?

BH....you got banned again? Must be nuts!

if it is the s-works we are talking about...it is the top end frame for comparisons sake

yes, a bit of it might have went to branding exercises but scott does branding as well... maybe not as much as spez

mana adak???

wa still c0cking around

oic...used wrong computer when replying

got multiple computah disorder

also called McD

if among the 3, spez sl3 la. u get ultegra summore. no more upgrades. maybe just the wheels.

u sure?

how sure are you??? willing to bet your lawyer on this?

never underestimate the word "upgrade"... and definitely never underestimate your "good friends"...

freak... still using the wrong computer...

better use back my porn watching i meant youtube watching computer

Btw butthead
That spec sales guy say since I new he don't recommend me go try aero or aggressive bike. He say my body might not be able to take it , how true is this?

And the spez sl3 seems no lubang for internal cabeling. Will this be an obstacle for future upgrade as I see most new bike now come with one

depends on how you see it... the way i see it, you will work your way to it.. definitely there will be some discomforts in the beginning if you get bikes that are more low down on the front end... but there are such things as massive amount of spacers to help alleviate back flexibility problems.. and as you improve your fitness and flexibility levels, you take off your stack of spacers one by one...

it's like saying you are still a P driver... should not drive manual, why not buy an auto car first and once you are more experienced only you come back buy a manual... sounds more like he is hoping you buy 2 bikes from him...

if you are that worried about frames which is more veered to race geometries.. you can or the rep could have recommended you other spez like the roubaix for instance which has a slightly different geometry and still almost quite as good as the tarmac....

internal cabling is more to protect the cables as it is not exposed to the elements.. but it's a nightmare to run the cables which is not your worry if you give it to your mechanic to handle it...

not a deal breaker... in fact.. more reasons to buy fully shielded cables like nokon, i-links...

This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 24 2013, 10:00 PM

Hmm seems spez sl3 tarmac not compatible with di2
See this

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/vi...hp?f=10&t=84171

Apparently you need to drill holes to the frame itself

you should never drill composite...it's crazy...

di2 will be an option in future, not the only choice...unless you already decide now tat is the direction you want to fling ur money...i think it's no big deal... as i said earlier...it's no deal breaker

the first thing to do is to check if it's the s-works or the standard specialize tarmac sl3 pro or expert version... if it is the former... that affects a lot of your decision but from my seat here.. it is quite unlikely since the frame is last sold at such a high price...

if it's the latter.. then you might as well think of the scott as it is a more balanced bike despite tendencies towards being an aero frame in scott's armada of road bikes...

This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 25 2013, 07:36 AM

Damn cycling damn poison
Have to really spend a lot of $$ just to get entry level carbon with a good groupset.

And this still comes with a heavy wheels

jus stick to ur budget or u will need 15k to get ur bike.. if u can see past things... u'll understand that it will be invitable that you still spend more later no matter what you get now unless you et the best there is...

Hello, cant go wrong with either one to be honest apart from slight weight and diff carbon grade and geometry used. Buy from the dealer you think will take care of you after you bought the bike. Not to mention better to stick to one shop when buying other stuff like cloths or wheel upgrade etc. THe thing that count when riding the bike is your leg in order to take advantage whatever the bike has to offer.



** Do you actually read my thoughts about Foil few page before that????

This post has been edited by minizian: Aug 25 2013, 09:48 PM