we are in the same boat


at least no need to attend online exam this year?

got info from insider...there is a SPA meeting for PTD simpanan next months...do not true or not

Wow.. cool.

If we pass the interview,the next stage would be cadetship in UM and INTAN?

Wondering when is it so that can arrange for resignation,if keen to join.

well, its an academic post with an offer to sponsor my PhD level study, provided i can secure a place within a year. Therefore, there should be a promotion to DS51 upon completion (within the next 4-5 years). Granted, currently its a temporary post though, pending securing the placement and completion of the said PhD (upon which itll be converted into a permanent post).

and on the other hand, this PTD offer is a permanent post, yet it starts with M41. Climbing the pay-grade scale will take some time...

one is a gamble, taking chances with better outcome, the other a safer, rather slightly slower career progression...

thus, the dilemma between PhD or PTD...

if not mistaken PTDM41 not permanent yet

PTD- gonna took around 10-12 years to reach grade 52

Academician- 4-5 years gonna secure grade 51 , another couple years of research and well impact journal---tittle Prof


if i on ur shoe...i gonna choose PhD. maybe it gonna have mental endure for 2-3 years (but since u already got master then Phd not so much killer for u ) but much better than mental and physical endurance during kadet PTD

This post has been edited by gahpadu: Jan 29 2015, 12:19 AM

been told before it gonna start around May

If u prefer academic line, go for PHD. But that also Xtentu pass right.
If u want management and paperwork job, go for PTD but promotion is damn slow now. More than 5yrs to m44. Bout 10yrs kot to m48. U do the maths la.
PHD vs DPA, I can say DPA is much easier la with just countless events to organize and physical modules. PHD really requires full concentration using ur brains and intellect. Ur choice. If it was me, and if I'm so into academic line, I'll become a professor.

thus, the much needed soul-searching...

For PTD, id prefer to be in MoFA or MINDEF, as those are my passion. On the other hand, my current placement kinda allows me to involve in issues and topics of my interests. Of course, with PTD, ive gotta toe the line, and the working hours would be 8-5 (plus some more), whereas in academic, i have the (supposedly academic freedom) in expressing my opinion and a more flexible working hours... and yes, its still no certainty, whether ill finish my phd on time, or even at all..

well, havent gotten the official email & offer letter yet. thus, still got the time to think, i suppose...

thanks for the input guys

This post has been edited by lucifer_666: Jan 29 2015, 03:04 PM

DUKACITA....

guys, any successful candidate called and confirmed with SPA/JPA the report duty date?

so far no confirmation yet. need to plan for training of my successor...oh wai..

bro, are u successful too?

alrite back to topic..PhD vs PTD is indeed quite a dilemma.

Having been in research line for more than 5 years, and got both opportunity now then i understand the decision to be made.

To cut it short:

PhD: If your research topic now IS YOUR PASSION and there is continuity from your undergrad or master study/or at least the field you are really interested in, and you got offered scholarship to do, or good finance support, or got offered PhD offer by good/pretigous Uni or good supervisor (at least easy to average to pass) by all means go for your PhD..route to DS51 will be faster, and in 5-10 years you can get DS54 (Assoc Prof) or even JUSA C (Prof) if you are sharp enough..

PTD: All the above provided that you are really sharp and top in your field, know how to do research, and type that can focus on your narrow research field for the whole of your life..not to mention labwork and lab/research/student management and also passion to teach until you die.. hehe
ELSE..go for PTD..it is currently the highest and fastest gomen servant route..aside from lecturer and dr lar..

just my 2 cents

10 yrs to grade 48..ya ka?

hurm..any otai gomen can answer or not..

around there la now.. maybe longer also. depends on vacancy actually.

yea, got it. havent received the official notification through email/letter though. at least it gave some sorta time to think it over. theres a strong tendency to remain in the academia though...
but the future is for nobody to tell. maybe will change my mind later... have been applying for this post for a while now, since the end of my undergrad study, but havent been lucky till now...

and yourself? personally, which will you choose between the two?

i called spa/jpa, and the online results are credible..finger cross lets wait for the letter lor..

depending on their starting salary offer, 99% i am going for ptd..as i am more to management type, have been living in lab for 8 years..i think it is enough

if i am younger, got phd scholarship/offer before age 25-28 maybe i am going for phd..young minds are good for research..

but later in ptd u can do phd also wat, but half research half management ler..in 5-10 yrs most of ptd should hold masters degree at minimum, and top guns all PhD level..should be

both have its own pro and cons..specific job requirements..and its own prestige..

This post has been edited by nite_eif: Feb 4 2015, 12:29 PM

ahh.. if im to enroll with ptd, itll be 2.5K basic with allowances, nearing 3.5K monthly. M41 of course. to stay here, current;y im enjoying 2.6K a month with annual increment and once im done with phd later if (all goes well), itll be around 5K basic with allowances of around 1.5K or so with DS51... faster to climb the rank and salary scale, of course.

true that we can do phd later as ptd, but will gotta wait few more years and by then, ill be a bit older and the brain might be a bit slower...

well, just gonna wish and pray for guidance in making the right decisions

Gogogo..

DS51 KPI is five papers minimum a year..if u can score more, go for it..after 3 years apply AP...haha..

first, overcome the phd hurdle first..

exactly...

for now, i only have a very rudimentary form of proposal and have neither gotten a seat in any uni nor approach any potential supervisors, yet. just started this job a month ago actually... thus the dilemma...

Hi,

May I know when 2015 DPA is expecting to start?
I was postponed my DPA to this year.
Received offer to attend DPA by last october but request to postpone cadetship to this year due to bonding contract with current company.

Thanks in advance.

den its better to join ptd where u have a safety net while u can pursue ur PHD on your own. at the moment, you have no proper planning on the academia route.