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chocobo7779
post Sep 10 2014, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 10 2014, 04:55 PM)
wow. that's a nice find. older files will get terrible read speeds on 840 evo? that's really something new :/

downloaded the file bench utility and tested on my drive (samsung sm841):

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Note that the 840 EVO SSDs are only affected by this issue. The 840/840 Pro/850 Pro are not affected. sweat.gif

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post Sep 10 2014, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 10 2014, 06:33 PM)
yeah it seemed like it. what logic exactly can lead to something like old written files get slow speed while fresh ones are fast?

i have samsung 840 evo also. to think that i need to defrag a ssd to get back speed is kind of funny lol!
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rclxub.gif I'm confused as well.... rclxub.gif
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post Sep 10 2014, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(powerwoot @ Sep 10 2014, 07:00 PM)
I find this a good read for myself aha  biggrin.gif
http://www.blog.solidstatediskshop.com/201...s-an-ssd-write/
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That's pretty nice, and I will give it a read later. tongue.gif

BTW, OpenSUSE user spotted. brows.gif I'm just a Linux Mint user... blush.gif
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post Sep 11 2014, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(powerwoot @ Sep 11 2014, 11:37 AM)
The penguins are here lol,

have you activated the trim inside the cron.daily to do the job?
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I don't have a SSD right now... blush.gif
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post Sep 12 2014, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(icecreamcake @ Sep 12 2014, 01:13 AM)
just read through the viewnet price list, found out KINGSTON MS200(msata) 256GB only RM299 is it worth to buy ?

any problems on this particular model ?
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Looks OK, though I'd get something better.... but why would you want a mSATA SSD? Are you planning to put one in your laptop? hmm.gif

http://www.storagereview.com/kingston_ssdn...ta_review_240gb

The performance isn't stellar, though you can't really complain at this price point. tongue.gif

Note that there are two variants, with the 120GB (or smaller capacity) version uses a much faster Toshiba NAND, whereas the 240/480GB version uses a slower Micron NAND. sweat.gif

http://www.legitreviews.com/kingston-ms200...d-review_125006

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post Sep 12 2014, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(icecreamcake @ Sep 12 2014, 01:23 AM)
thanks for the fast reply  rclxms.gif

yea, planning to add a piece of SSD into my laptop, since my Y400 has a msata slot, so don't wan to waste it  tongue.gif

do u have other suggestion for better performance and price ?  biggrin.gif
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Samsung 840 EVO mSATA... brows.gif

...or the Plextor M6M... brows.gif

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post Sep 12 2014, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(TheHitman47 @ Sep 12 2014, 03:08 AM)
didnt anybody heard about the EVO 840 perfomance degredation that netizen has been talking about lately?.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1507897/samsung...ta-in-the-drive
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I have posted about it earlier, and it seems like Samsung decided to utilize an overly aggressive wear leveling algorithm in the firmware... sweat.gif
...which causes this problem. sweat.gif

The non-permanent solution to this problem is to defragment the SSD... sweat.gif

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post Sep 12 2014, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 12 2014, 10:23 AM)
i have a first-hand experience about this right now biggrin.gif

you will feel that apps take ages to load.

check this out:

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rclxub.gif Can you please defragment the drive, and re-run the benchmark please? hmm.gif
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post Sep 12 2014, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 12 2014, 11:55 AM)
before:
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after defrag:
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here you go:

https://db.tt/M3nH7azP
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Well, this is something... Looks like Samsung needs to issue a new firmware update.... sweat.gif
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post Sep 12 2014, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(TheHitman47 @ Sep 12 2014, 01:47 PM)
ops, sorry for my slowness..heee

people start suggesting Crucial brand, does Msia have these?.
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Yup, though you can opt for Intel as well... tongue.gif

But Crucial drives are overpriced in the local market, unless you are willing to get one from Ebay/Amazon... brows.gif

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post Sep 12 2014, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(activexxx @ Sep 12 2014, 10:01 PM)
I have a asus laptop. Can anyone know which SSD brand is compatible to it? I am considering either Intel or ScanDisk now...
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Intel 530/Plextor M5S/Crucial MX100 should work nicely... brows.gif
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post Sep 12 2014, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(activexxx @ Sep 12 2014, 10:09 PM)
But Asus by default choose ScanDisk for laptop with SSD models...

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-AsusPr...ok.93176.0.html

Am considering Intel 530 Series 240GB or Sandisk Ultra II 240GB now...both are same priceĀ  rclxub.gif
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Intel 530... it has a higher grade NAND, and it would likely to perform just as well as the Sandisk. I'm not a fan of Sandisk drives, and I tend to lean towards Intel/Samsung/Crucial drives. tongue.gif

Anyway, you can install any SSD into your notebook, however there are two types of SSD of different thickness, i.e. 7mm and 9mm drives.
7mm drives are designed to fit into Ultrabooks, though you can install 7mm drives in typical notebooks. 9mm drives are only intended for typical notebooks, and they cannot fit into Ultrabooks. icon_idea.gif

ASUS tends to use Sandisk SSDs on their notebooks, whereas other laptop manufacturers tend to use Samsung/Plextor (LiteOn) SSDs. icon_idea.gif

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post Sep 27 2014, 12:06 PM

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horns Looks like Samsung will release a new firmware for the 840 EVO to address the slow read speeds on older files on October 15:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8570/firmwar...on-october-15th

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post Oct 15 2014, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Oct 13 2014, 06:44 PM)
not sure if i mention this yet, but i decided to disable the rapidmode. I just couldn't for the life of me see much of a difference. But the reviews seem kind of mixed.

one says stratosphere mode with rapidmode, and the other says turning it off is faster.

Benchmarks is well and good, and is a basic indicator of performance, but i'm more interested in real world performances for actual usage.

To that end, i just couldn't perceive any difference between off and on.
So it's better to off, seeing as it's risky to have it on, for little perceived benefitĀ  hmm.gif
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Depends... Rapid Mode seemed to shave a few seconds off from boot time, and it makes some difference when running VMs... icon_idea.gif

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post Oct 15 2014, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(akachester @ Oct 15 2014, 04:29 PM)
I have read about problems with the Samsung Evo. And there is suppose to be a firmware / patch today? How do i update the firmware? Do i need to download any softwares?
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Yup, there is a tool available: icon_idea.gif

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/sem.../downloads.html

Scroll down a bit for the 840 EVO performance restoration tool.

Download and run the tool, and follow the instructions. icon_idea.gif

This process does not remove any data on the drive. icon_idea.gif
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post Oct 31 2014, 03:47 PM

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Personally some firmware issues aside, both SSDs (Samsung 840 EVO and Intel 530) are pretty decent and should be plenty fast enough for most consumers. The average consumer doesn't really need to worry about MLC and TLC flash memory, as both drives would likely to outlast an average consumer computing cycle. icon_idea.gif

Though the Samsung drive does come with RAM caching, which should reduce the amount of writes on the drive. However the Intel comes with a longer warranty period, which can be useful if you plan to resell the drive in the future since longer warranty period sometimes means better resale value. icon_idea.gif

Check out the SSD write endurance test by Techreport:
http://techreport.com/review/25889/the-ssd...nt-500tb-update

The 840 EVO is not listed, however the older 840 SSD is listed in the endurance test. BTW, 500TB of writes is equivalent to writing 140GB of data continuously over 10 years. sweat.gif

P.S: I'm not Sam Loo from Paultan.org. brows.gif

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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Oct 31 2014, 03:50 PM)
bro where u bought ur seasonic psu? ya agree with u intel 520 looking good but intel 530 like no much improvement. i look which ssd provide more longer warranty.
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Then get Samsung 850 PRO... 10 years warranty. brows.gif icon_idea.gif
However the warranty is only valid if you have written less than 150TB of data... icon_idea.gif

I bought my Seasonic PSU from lingloong... brows.gif
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post Oct 31 2014, 04:09 PM

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http://www.overclock.net/t/1507897/samsung...0#post_23037405

For 840 EVO users who used the performance restoration tool... Please check your SMART status using HDTune Pro. Some users have reported that the Used Reserved Block Count has risen to 1 after running the tool. sweat.gif

Update: it's most likely an error caused by the program itself. Other programs such as SSDlife and Samsung Magician do not report this error. icon_idea.gif

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post Nov 9 2014, 10:40 AM

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Just finished running the performance restoration tool on the 840 EVO, and the tool has completed its run without any problems. It looks like the drive is performing as it should... brows.gif

However, as usual, always perform a data backup first before using the tool. icon_idea.gif It's always good to have some form of data backup should anything unexpected happens.

Make sure you close all programs (including programs running in the background) before running the tool, since any running programs can slow down the restoration process. icon_idea.gif The restoration process will take approximately 1 hour, in my case, the process takes about 1 hour and 30 minutes.

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post Dec 9 2014, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 9 2014, 02:34 PM)
oh ok. yeah most probably you will upgrade in two years hehe

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samsung 850 evo is coming, with new tlc nand and 5-year warranty. a tlc that can do 2k p/e (samsung said). inside one of articles they also mentioned the p/e cycles of samsung 850 pro and 845dc pro to be 6k p/e and 40k p/e. it's no wonder the price is so steep!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8747/samsung...-850-evo-review
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/19553...-the-mainstream
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hmm.gif Not bad... though I think the pricing looks awfully expensive for me.... sweat.gif

Anyway, note that the prices are MSRP, which means that retailers will likely to price it lower than suggested pricing. icon_idea.gif

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