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post Jul 4 2014, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 4 2014, 12:09 AM)
My Intel 320 160GB failed yesterday. I first realized it when the Windows startup screen went black, and when I extracted files from the SSD, some files failed to be read.

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.. at least it is saying good bye out loud :/ how long has the drive been with you?


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post Jul 4 2014, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 4 2014, 09:22 AM)
Since 2012 I think..
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oh. that's quick. does it has something to do with your usage?
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post Jul 4 2014, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 4 2014, 09:34 AM)
My laptop's lightly loaded. I use my desktop at home and at the office most of the time. My laptop's only used sparingly when I'm working outside or overseas.

Unfortunately the number of power-on hours is shown as 0 and I forgot to note down how many writes it has gone through.
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well, good news. http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_...n-intel-ssd-320

your drive has a 5-year warranty.
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post Jul 4 2014, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jul 4 2014, 10:28 AM)
Bad news is he can't recover his data... most of the SSD still can't do that as yet, once you reach its max... it die, no read-only, nothing, just die, if that's business perspective, it's not a very good sign. doh.gif
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uh? i didn't realize that he couldn't recover data at all.

you're right, it's frustrating to have that kind of results in the end. so it's better to have some precautionary steps to minimize risks of losing important data. about the thing that ssd's just die without warning, i didn't experience any failure yet. however my backup practice should save me from getting headaches if my ssd might die before time.
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post Jul 4 2014, 11:08 PM

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uh? another one?


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post Jul 7 2014, 08:05 AM

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If you could stand overall much slower system performance other than the game, sure why not?
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post Jul 7 2014, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(hackcremo @ Jul 7 2014, 11:42 AM)
I know what u means, able to load OS fast and open app in glimpse of an eye sure I want. But no budget for 250Gb. Raya near somemore, need to cut cost.
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to me the switch is just counter productive. (which was why i always suggest to get 240gb and up. it just need a bit of patience to save some top-up money, and eventually you have sufficient space for your most-played games).

still, the bottom line is that the switch will work fine.
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post Jul 9 2014, 12:17 AM

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samsung magician users go grab version 4.4. it comes with new rapid algorithm with increased ram cap from 1gb to 4gb.

remember to read the installation guide. it tells you a lot more about the precautions and limitations.
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post Jul 11 2014, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Jul 10 2014, 10:17 PM)
I just upgraded my HDD + Magician 4.4
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please let us know when sammy's 850 pro is available biggrin.gif

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post Jul 14 2014, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(-PatheticSoul- @ Jul 14 2014, 04:05 AM)
Hello, I'm a total newbie when it comes to SSD so I could use some help if you don't mind. Wanted to buy a SSD just for Windows files so 64gb should be more than enough right? Could you guys recommend me a SSD? Thank you.
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as a total newbie, i think it's good for you to check out the first page for some fundamental information about ssd.

for os drive, imo the smallest sata/msata ssd size you should go for is 120gb. imo 64gb is good for ssd caching. it looks enough for OS drive, but it's not a good choice due to several reasons, e.g. physical limitations that make the drives run slower (in general, the smaller the size, the slower it runs. here i assume you wanna have a ssd that can run at least a decent good speed), relatively limited space for over provisioning (again for performance reasons).



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post Jul 18 2014, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(eZaL83 @ Jul 17 2014, 11:01 AM)
Hello,

I would like to know where can I buy Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD and 9.5mm HDD Caddy in Kuala Lumpur which also offer on-the-spot backup and installation on my Sony Vaio laptop?
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i bet it's either no one is offering the service, or you post this in the wrong thread.

alternatively, you can grab a ssd and hdd caddy from garage sales, then do it yourself. unless i watched at the wrong video at youtube about sony vaio teardown, it should be fairly easy task to do.


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post Jul 18 2014, 05:23 PM

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for common usage, write performance is secondary. what matters most is the read speed. personally i think the write speed of intel 530 120gb is not bad for a best bang for buck ssd.

for that capacity, i will go for intel. (considering warranty; and mlc vs. tlc thing) with primocache l1 ram caching, it can run pretty fast too.

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post Jul 19 2014, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(combataran @ Jul 18 2014, 10:21 PM)
Who here's using a Plextor m6e? I'd like to know how it's different from normal SSDs.
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the main difference is speed, due to the bandwidth increase with pcie, compared to sata. other than that, they are the same. m6e is actually a m.2 pcie ssd mounted on a pcie adapter.

the rest of the differences imo are basically about price points, form factors and compatible mobo features. unless your mobo let you do so, one thing about m6e is that it cannot set as boot drive.

talking about m.2 slot implementations, m6e is pcie x2 (10gbps), a common implementation for m.2 pcie slots in the newest mobo's. the exception is asrock z97 extreme series, which includes an ultra m.2 slot (32gbps). with that you can run a pcie x4 ssd.

edit: oh i was wrong, only select models of asrock mobo's has ultra m.2 slot.

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post Jul 19 2014, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(combataran @ Jul 19 2014, 11:54 AM)
Guess I'll just go with a regular SSD for now then. Where can I get a Crucial MX100 256GB locally?
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yes. regular ssd's are sufficient in most cases imo. haven't read anything about crucial mx100 local units.
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post Jul 19 2014, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 19 2014, 03:28 PM)
Is there any proof that shows this PCIE SSD cannot be use as boot drive? sweat.gif
Most of the review sites that use multiple storage drive for testing so there are no conclusion, except the Guru3D use this PCIE SSD solely as storage drive.

Even if it's not bootable, there are many tricks to make it bootable, if the Windows/Unix bootloader can recognize this drive.
My cheap mobo don't have extra space for this SSD, else i would really bought it  tongue.gif

Kinda bored of current SATA based SSD cause its already saturated the SATA 6GBs bandwidth. And uh i dont want the SATA Express SSD because of the ugly cable (are we going back to IDE cable? the hell with it)
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something like this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/295490-3...pcie-based-bios

it's about compatibility issues of older mobo's. newer mobo's should be compatible. that's why i said, 'unless your mobo let you do so'. for m6e i put it like that as a heads up, so that the users who are interested in this ssd should check out the mobo compatibility first before getting the card (maybe my sentence created more confusions than a heads up lol!). i did come across other weird stuff. for instance when i did a research on micron drives previously, they offer 2 types of pcie ssd's, one with bootable option, one without. why? i am not sure also (http://www.micron.com/-/media/documents/products/software/p420m_p320h_boot_drive_installation_guide.pdf)

lol! sata-e is not my type either. m.2 slots are more slick smile.gif

QUOTE(marfccy @ Jul 19 2014, 08:08 PM)
that is rather odd though, Macs have been using PCIE SSDs as boot drive

any idea why in Windows they cant? hmm.gif
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right smile.gif for mac, it's using pcie x4 m.2 to be exact. (only the m.2 ssd, without the pcie adapter) pc has kept up with this. i am using the same samsung xp941 with asrock z97 extreme 6.

QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 19 2014, 08:51 PM)
PC Master race could butt hurt lol,
Apple use full fledged PCIE SSD?

http://www.asus.com/sg/Storage_Optical_Dri...press_PCIe_SSD/
www.plextoramericas.com/index.php/pcie-ssd/hhhl/pcie-m6e
Both also stated support legacy BIOS and UEFI, i guess they're bootable.

If bootloader can recognize the PCIE SSD as storage drive, they're bootable too, well, in theory.
Even a usb thumbdrive are bootable lol  sweat.gif  doh.gif
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jul 19 2014, 08:55 PM)
im just assuming atm, im not 100% sure myself
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yes apple is using full 4-lane pcie m.2 ssd. it's a m.2 type 2280 (80mm).

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post Jul 19 2014, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jul 19 2014, 11:15 PM)
i see, thanks for the clarification, wonder when will this be mainstream enough for consumer. would like to see M.2 SSDs go cheap soon nod.gif

on the other hand, a question

my Intel 530 120GB (less than 6 months) have made 3.6TB writes, is this normal? hmm.gif
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no problems. yeah m.2 drives are expensive now. with the same price i think it's better to get 2x sata drives. if i make a raid0 with 2 sata drives, i can get a much better speed than 1x pcie x2 ssd. i really hope the mainstream ones are pcie x4 instead of the current x2. the form factors are really good imo. slick and very light. the ssd is mounted directly to the mobo.

as for your question, i think it's normal. at that rate i even think you should have no problem using it for more than 5 years. actually, the writes are mainly depending on your usage. certain contributions are also from how you set your system up. use of ram disk and rearrange system temp files and web browser cache to it is one example. use hdd for downloads and storage is another. (i go further and get primocache for ram-based ssd/hdd caches. ram-based enhancements are the trends in ssd's like samsung 840 evo and pro, and upcoming plextor drives) this is also why my machines have more ram than i need. (actually they are for system optimizations. for my own use, i just need 16gb)



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post Jul 20 2014, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jul 19 2014, 11:57 PM)
just abit surprised its already that much. but if you say its fine, i think it should be okay i guess

i just upgraded to 12GB, lots of RAM atm laugh.gif

Primocache is something i might go take a look though
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just use ssd normally. use its strengths (reads, not writes), but don't go purposely challenge its weaknesses haha

i think you should look at ramdisk first. check out softperfect ramdisk. you can start with 2gb and relocate your temp folders, and web cache locations to it. it helps.

primocache is mainly for speed (do this when you have unused system ram).
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post Jul 20 2014, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 20 2014, 12:07 AM)
Well there are "tons" of free system backup utilities, The windows backup that could create and image of your drive is already good enough, you just need to copy your system image to somewhere safer and makes a two copies of it.
There are no sign of when the storage drive gonna die  sweat.gif
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right smile.gif a simple backup strategy will always help. i also find the built-in system image tool in w7/8/8.1 very useful. the restore process is painless also.

usually i set up my system to have at least 3 physical drives:
1) OS drive. this is ssd that contains only OS and essential apps. a 240gb ssd will do the job fine.
2) Apps/games drive. this is ssd that store my apps/games (very space consuming. it also means if i restore this drive i will use more writes in ssd)
3) Data drive. hdd for downloads, data storage.

the system image, apps/games, and data will be backed up to external hdd's/nas/whatever that is not part of the system. for apps/games, i only back them up when there are updates.

for system backup, i only need to do a backup with OS drive with this layout. (it's done whenever there are large system updates) it's relatively smaller in size (not OS+apps+games), so it will use much less writes in each restore.

actually there is the forth drive. a ram disk. with windows system image restores, i get to restore everything in one-go, including the ram disk, and those system tweaks that i add from time to time. all that under 15 minutes and i can have a working system again.

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post Jul 21 2014, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Jul 20 2014, 08:49 AM)
I say using XP941 in consumer environment is insane rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
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no, it's not lol! since samsung has integrated rapid mode in their evo/pro, many of us are used to that speed already.
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post Jul 21 2014, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jul 21 2014, 06:03 PM)
...or just get a single, large capacity SSD.  SSDs are plenty fast for most people IMO.  Too bad large capacity SSDs are way too expensive for the average consumer... sweat.gif
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well yeah.. a normal sata ssd is good enough for most people.

large ssd's are awesome because of several reasons besides capacity. however to most people, unless the purchase can be justified (like, getting large drives as an investment so that you can earn more), i suggest don't go too far. ssd technologies are still evolving rapidly. it's better to just get what you can and have fun with it now.

actually, the real deal about pcie ssd is nvme ssd. (like intel dc p3700) w8.1 with uefi mode already has native support to it.

QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jul 21 2014, 06:04 PM)
Enabled Rapid Mode on my friend's 840 EVO... His gaming machine cold boots nearly instantly with Rapid Mode... brows.gif laugh.gif
...with Windows 8.1+GPT partition... icon_idea.gif
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haha.. if you wanna go further, disable it and try use primocache level-1 ram caching (with deferred write enabled). it's much better (also helps save some writes in ssd's. however, just make sure you have enough ram)

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