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post Jun 6 2014, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(Y.J.S @ Jun 6 2014, 08:36 PM)
HDD user here icon_rolleyes.gif

Am looking for upgrade to SSD, any recommendations?

Like which brand or model etc.
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tbh any decent ssd's in the market should make you feel happy if you are still using hdd.

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post Jun 7 2014, 04:48 AM

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QUOTE(Y.J.S @ Jun 6 2014, 10:22 PM)
Actually how big is the difference?

I heard people say when loading LoL, 1 - 2 secs already can, WTF?
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i am not sure how fast a ssd can help to load LoL, but you will observe significant difference in loading os (much faster boot time), apps, and games.
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post Jun 9 2014, 09:07 AM

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for people who are cost conscious, you should also consider to wait for crucial mx100.

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post Jun 9 2014, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(Y.J.S @ Jun 9 2014, 11:13 AM)
Why is it so? Is it going to be much cheaper than its rival?
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yes, it's cheaper; and sai86 has found the right comparison table for you.



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post Jun 9 2014, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Jun 9 2014, 04:32 PM)
if you read the review, the downside of cheaper price is lower performance. but this is good for those that are budget conscious where the SSD is already faster than HDD by a mile, but wanted for more capacity (for user not looking for top performance SSD).
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yes, for today's systems, the most significant bottleneck that affects daily computing is hdd. mainstream ssd's like mx100 are more than sufficient to eliminate this shortcoming.

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post Jun 11 2014, 10:52 PM

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this brand is not that popular here. from online reviews it might be decent enough.
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post Jun 16 2014, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jun 15 2014, 04:00 PM)
the registry method isnt tough, but abit complex than usual

i have to do that everytime i reformat my PC sweat.gif i cant seem to enable AHCI normally through BIOS
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hm.. luckily i don't have any issue regarding this (perhaps all my machines are newer and the problem has been fixed)

QUOTE(TheHitman47 @ Jun 16 2014, 12:28 PM)
im not sure if this supposed to be in here, but this is totally bad and unethical move by Kingston and PNY.
Kingston & PNY caught in bait and switch scandal
lazy to click : basically what they did are they launch SSD in with one hardware specification, and then quietly changing the hardware configuration after reviews have gone out.

alot of people even start to boycott them until they do an apology and pledge to not engage in the behavior again.
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yeah this.. for those who follow ssd reviews consistently should know about it. when this happens it is like disqualifying what the reviewer wrote about that particular ssd due to the inconsistency.

most of us depend on online reviews to justify ssd purchases, so we hope to adhere to the specs highlighted in reviewers' articles to get results and outcomes shown in the reviews. when things like this happen, it makes the brands look bad. really bad.

this is why i don't go for their ssd's.

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post Jun 16 2014, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(sanderz @ Jun 16 2014, 05:34 PM)
Any sifus can help determine whether my SSD is ok? It's running on SATA II by the way, because I don't have SATA 3 port. And it's running on AHCI mode.

Just testing, I will put into my laptop when I got it.
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a better way to help yourself is to use something that are more common for comparisons (as ssd benchmark, crystal disk mark) and use the results to compare with published results. (if possible, just follow their exact settings).

unless you don't care about the lifespan of ssd, do not perform this kind of benchmarks too frequently.

i know this sucks but on a brighter side at least you have got a ssd within your budget.
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post Jun 16 2014, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(sanderz @ Jun 16 2014, 08:02 PM)
Hmm ok. Then I think I will wait for my laptop with SATA3 first. Benchmarking on SATA2 I think it gets bottlenecked so I only able to archeive 200Mb/s speed only.
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the speed depends on the ssd's, too. the max it can go for sata2 is about 300MB/s, theoretically. with internal overheads and all it's about 280MB/s, give or take. plextor m5m 256gb (msata) on sata2 is about 270MB/s for sequential read and 250MB/s for sequential write.

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post Jun 19 2014, 04:29 PM

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these are something about endurance and lifespan of a ssd:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/18461...han-youd-expect

http://techreport.com/review/26523/the-ssd...y-to-a-petabyte

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post Jun 19 2014, 07:18 PM

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yeah smile.gif 700tb is kind of a big number for drives in 240-256gb range.

this latest update revealed a number of interesting points, like the following:

1. ssd will not die on you without giving any sign of its death; you have plenty of time to prepare for the worst;

2. intel's self destructive mechanism will brick the drive, not making it read-only mode as in enterprise counter parts;

3. tlc-based drives, if implemented right, can live very long, too.

no wonder samsung dares to push tlc drives into enterprise space (for certain workloads).
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post Jun 20 2014, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jun 20 2014, 07:55 AM)
Enterprise will usually have RAID and other multi-device redundancy in check so SSD/HDD failure is not an issue at all, but of course a good way to warn before it even fail is a good sign for SSD manufacturer such as Intel, this shows Intel is in good account for such measure, thumbs up for Intel but would like their drive to live a bit longer though...  sweat.gif (Expensive ler.. my friend...)

Oh, this one should be put on first page, can always quote those newbie to look at first page for more information, unless TL;DR then we can smack them a bit (beyond spoon-feed).
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raid and multiple-device redundancies / backups are good to minimize risks like single point of failure. at enterprise, multiple strategies could be used to minimize the occurrence of catastrophic failures. however robustness of such implementations are still dictated by available resources (namely, budgets). the more common practice is still playing with their limited resources, implementing scalable options and practices to get best possible outcomes.

intel is always one of best choices for ssd's.

component return rates (ssd, overall, as of 30/04/2014):
- Samsung 0,54% (against previous 0,28%)
- Sandisk 0,70% (N/A)
- Kingston 0,72% (against previous 1,00%)
- Intel 0,90% (against previous 0,63%)
- Corsair 0,91% (against previous 1,88%)
- Crucial 1,08% (against previous 2,26%)

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/920-7/ssd.html

scroll down that page you can see the return rates of some popular ssd's. notably:
1) 120-128gb range:
- 0,99% Crucial M4 128 Go
- 0,93% Corsair Force GT 120 Go
- 0,61% OCZ Vertex 4 128 Go
- 0,49% Sandisk 128 Go
- 0,43% Samsung 840 120 Go
- 0,25% Samsung 840 EVO
- 0,24% Samsung 840 Pro 128 Go
- 0,28% Kingston V300 120 Go
- 0,00% Kingston V+200 120 Go

2) 240-256gb range:
- 0,73% Crucial M4 256 Go
- 0,48% Samsung 840 Pro 256 Go
- 0,47% Sandisk Ultra Plus 256 Go
- 0,43% Crucial M500 240 Go
- 0,00% Corsair Neutron GTX 240 Go
- 0,00% Intel SSD 335 240 Go
- 0,00% Samsung 840 EVO 250 Go

besides personal preferences, this is also the reason why we suggest only certain brands of ssd's.

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post Jun 24 2014, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(xXAaronXx @ Jun 23 2014, 11:51 PM)
Its not cheap when it cost RM500++.
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since you have already purchased the drive, just enjoy it. MYR 500+ for 240gb and 5-year warranty is not expensive. it's old, but its speed is fine.




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post Jun 24 2014, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(TheHitman47 @ Jun 24 2014, 03:52 PM)
yeah i hope this is the good news that we are waiting for. however i have also read about potential price increase due to increasing demands (oem and retail) that might cause shortage in the coming months. (some manufacturers are preparing to cope with the demands, but their pace might not be as fast)

edit: the link about potential price increase is in the same page, by DRAMeXchange.

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post Jun 28 2014, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(calvincty @ Jun 28 2014, 11:50 AM)
Hi what brand are recommended for macbook pro mid 2012? Currently am using OWC 120GB with a 500GB HDD, thinking to get a 240-256 GB to replace the main OS drive and the existing SSD to replace the HDD.

Was looking for Intel 530 but just notice it's an old product from the reply from forumer, if this is the case which SSD brand/model is consider not an "old" product?
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in general any decent ssd with the same form factor as stock should work well.

old doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

1. in terms of speed, most of sata3 ssd's in the market have reached and saturated at the peak of raw sata3 speed since a year ago.
2. in terms of reliability, they have proven records of how well the drives behave based on a year long of real life usage, with bugs found and fixed.

some common drives today are intel (530, 730), crucial (m500, mx100, m550), samsung (840 evo, 840 pro), plextor (m5s, m6s, m5pro xtreme), and corsair (neutron gtx. this one is a 2-year-old drive but it has the best record of endurance tests). except for crucial mx100 and m550, the rest are around a year old. (maybe more)
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post Jun 30 2014, 06:04 PM

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Good stuff smile.gif

512gb is the real sweet spot for mx100. And man it's really affordable!
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post Jul 1 2014, 08:27 AM

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Finally.These days the use of usb-based ssd storage is a trend. Hope this can push the price even lower hehe

edit: plextor m5pro xtreme has released new firmware, 1.07. notes from release note:

2014/06/10 1.07
This firmware revision improves:
1. Lag problem under few specific
conditions.
2. Response ability during executing GC
and operating.


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post Jul 2 2014, 12:17 AM

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nice.. finally samsung 850 pro is here smile.gif

imo the 10-year warranty is to reassure consumers so that they can use the drives without worrying about common misconception of ssd's 'limited' lifespan. still, the warranty of ssd usually has two parts: time, and terabytes written (tbw) iinm. if either of them is reached, warranty will be voided.

10 years is a long time, but tbw still depends on usage.
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post Jul 2 2014, 12:16 PM

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there are many choices. the safer bet for you is to choose from commonly tested corsair neutron gtx, intel 530/730, sandisk extreme pro, plextor m5pro xtreme, or samsung 840 pro. they all have longer warranty period (at least 5 years)
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post Jul 2 2014, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jul 2 2014, 03:18 PM)
or perhaps theyre aiming at the low cost enterprise market? hmm.gif

usually those market, they rarely change parts as often as common consumers
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that's just my opinion. maybe i interpreted it wrongly. 10 years is more like the data retention time in a ssd. (and it's a long time. perhaps i have changed a few generation due to capacity during that period of time)

850 pro is still for consumers (enthusiast grade, not mainstream). their enterprise offerings are different, which have much higher endurance capabilities (talking about petabytes of tbw, in other words, a few full drive writes per day, or wpd)

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/sem..._Overview-0.pdf
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/sem...s_Customers.pdf

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